Mass Shootings. Inconvenient Facts

[Blues Man]

PS: Sorry my “obsession” bothers you. It does highlight the ACTUAL two tiered legal system we have... You’re too much of a chicken shit piece of dung to comment on it falsely stating you “don’t know enough” about the case.

And the topic is not the legal system in general nor is it the systemic racism that exists in the justice system.

 

[westwall]

Another fact is that around 50% of homicides in the US are committed with handguns.

Severely restricting handguns so they were less available in the community would reduce both the firearm homicide rate and the overall homicide rate.

That assertion has been PROVEN false, many times.

 

[2aguy]

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Amazingly the map you guys are so proud of showing shows a lot of red. But lets blame the areas of blue for everything!

State parole boards decide who gets paroled. Not the cities and counties that are blue. Usually the governor appoints many who sit on these boards--Lots of GOP governors out there. But I’m sure, somehow, they appoint liberals to the boards, right?

Texas has not elected a democrat (aka liberal) state wide since like 1992. Wall to wall republicans.

Yet...

Texas Has The Second Most Mass Shootings In 2023: How Its Other Gun Violence Crimes Measure Up

Texas is one of 27—largely right-leaning—states that allow permitless carry.

www.forbes.com

As you wrote


Forbes cites...
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So much for guns making you safer....LOL

According to you 99% of all of those numbers were done by someone a supposed liberal (who is never named) released or undercharged or didn’t charge? Really? Who are all these liberals with all of this power over who gets paroled in Texas?

As one final thought...I agree with conservatives that our system doesn’t punish murderers enough. My stance is this...life in prison; no parole if you’re convicted of murder.

This one pissed me off.

Joseph Tejeda pleads guilty to murder of Breanna Wood

Joseph Tejeda pleaded guilty Monday for his role in the 2016 killing of Breanna Wood. Tejeda pleaded guilty to murder, burglary with the intent of aggravated robbery and assault on a public servant.

www.kristv.com

But the supposedly “liberal” DA held the guy in county for 3+years before reaching the plea-bargain with him after 2 hung juries. No...he wasn’t just let go. He should have gotten life but the statement that liberals (the few there are in Texas) are just letting folks go willy nilly is false.

All lies.......

There have been a total of 11 mass public shootings so far in 2023...so how did Texas have 17, you fucking dumb ass.....

Gun Violence deaths.... = primarily suicides that you idiots have to count to push up your numbers...

How many children now are illegal immigrants killed crossing into Texas, you dope.....

And the "Teens," are primarily gang members shot by other gang members...you dumb ass...

If you guys couldn't lie, how would you debate anything?

Mass public shootings are listed here...

Total so far this year, 11....total last year 12....

US mass shootings, 1982–2024: Data from Mother Jones’ investigation

The full data set from our in-depth investigation into mass shootings.

www.motherjones.com

 

[candycorn]

All lies.......

There have been a total of 11 mass public shootings so far in 2023...so how did Texas have 17, you fucking dumb ass.....

Forbes says so. I trust them. Like everyone else, I don’t trust you.

 

[candycorn]

And the topic is not the legal system in general nor is it the systemic racism that exists in the justice system.

Well thanks for admitting the systematic racism does exist. Maybe in a few centuries gun nuts will admit what the rest of the world knows; the 2nd amendment is responsible for these waves of mass murders. Not video games. Not mental health. Not movies. Not transgender folks. It’s the availability of guns to where anyone who can scape together enough money can buy an arsenal and up until they bust a cap in someone, they haven’t violated a single law.

As for gun laws not working:

According to the CDC, Texas’s firearm mortality rate increased from 14.2 in 2020 to 15.6 in 2021. In 2020 alone, 2,422 Texas gun license applications were denied, 573 were revoked and 3,412 were suspended, according to data from the Texas Department of Public Safety.

Texas Has The Second Most Mass Shootings In 2023: How Its Other Gun Violence Crimes Measure Up

Texas is one of 27—largely right-leaning—states that allow permitless carry.

www.forbes.com

Your premise is dog shit and so are you.

 

[2aguy]

Forbes says so. I trust them. Like everyone else, I don’t trust you.

I'm not saying it....anti-gun, left wing extremist Mother Jones has the list, you dumb ass.

US mass shootings, 1982–2023: Data from Mother Jones’ investigation

Dating back to at least 2005, the FBI and leading criminologists essentially defined a mass shooting as a single attack in a public place in which four or more victims were killed. We adopted that baseline for fatalities when we gathered data in 2012 on three decades worth of cases.
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• Here is a description of the criteria we use:
  
  • The perpetrator took the lives of at least four people. A 2008 FBI report identifies an individual as a mass murderer—versus a spree killer or a serial killer—if he kills four or more people in a single incident (not including himself), typically in a single location. (*In 2013, the US government’s fatality baseline was revised down to three; our database reflects this change beginning from Jan. 2013, as detailed above.)
  • The killings were carried out by a lone shooter. (Except in the case of the Columbine massacre and the Westside Middle School killings, which involved two shooters.)
  • The shootings occurred in a public place. (Except in the case of a party on private property in Crandon, Wisconsin, and another in Seattle, where crowds of strangers had gathered, essentially constituting a public crowd.) Crimes primarily related to gang activity or armed robbery are not included, nor are mass killings that took place in private homes (often stemming from domestic violence).
  • Perpetrators who died or were wounded during the attack are not included in the victim tallies.
  • We included a handful of cases also known as “spree killings“—cases in which the killings occurred in more than one location, but still over a short period of time, that otherwise fit the above criteria.
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Our research focused on indiscriminate rampages in public places resulting in four or more victims killed by the attacker. We exclude shootings stemming from more conventionally motivated crimes such as armed robbery or gang violence. (Or in which the perpetrators have not been identified.) Other news outlets and researchers have since published larger tallies that include a wide range of gun crimes in which four or more people have been either wounded or killed. While those larger datasets of multiple-victim shootings are useful for studying the broader problem of gun violence, our investigation provides an in-depth look at a distinct phenomenon—from the firearms used and mental health factors to the growing copycat problem. Tracking mass shootings is complex; we believe ours is the most useful approach for studying this specific phenomenon.



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The actual number of mass shootings from Mother Jones......


US Mass Shootings, 1982-2015: Data From Mother Jones' Investigation


2022...12

2021...6

2020....2

2019....10

2018... 12

2017: 11 ( 5 according to the old standard)

2016....6

2015....4 ( obama's new standard....7)

2014....2 (4)

2013....5

2012....7

2011....3

2010....1

2009....4

2008....3

2007....4

2006....3

2005...2

2004....1

2003...1

2002 not listed so more than likely 0

2001....1

2000....1

1999....5

1998...3

1997....2

1996....1

1995...1

1994...1

1993...4

1992...2

1991...3

1990...1

1989...2

1988....1

1987...1

1986...1

1985... not listed so probably 0

1984...2

1983...not listed so probably 0

1982...1

School shootings...

2022.....1
2021....1
2020....0
2019....0
2018.....2
2017....0
2016...0
2015....1 (community college)
2014...1
2013.....0
2012....2
2011....0
2010...0
2006.....1
1999.......1
1998.....2
1992....1
1989....1

US Mass Shootings, 1982-2015: Data From Mother Jones' Investigation

US Mass Shootings, 1982-2015: Data From Mother Jones' Investigation


Deer kill 200 people a year.....

Lawn mowers between 90-100 people a year....

Ladders 300 people a year....

bathtubs 350 people a year...

Cars killed over 39,000 people in 2019...



Total number of people killed in mass public shootings by year...


2022....74
2021...43
2020....5
2019....73
2018.....93
2017........117
2016......71
2015......37
2014..... 9
2013..... 36
2012..... 72
2011..... 19
2010....9
2009...39
2008...18
2007...54
2006...21
2005...17
2004...5
2003...7
2002...not listed by mother jones
2001...5
2000...7
1999...42
1998...14
1997...9
1996...6
1995...6
1994....5
1993...23
1992...9
1991...35
1990...10
1989...15
1988...7
1987...6
1986...15
1985...(none listed)
1984...28
1983 (none listed)
1982...8

 

[2aguy]

Well thanks for admitting the systematic racism does exist. Maybe in a few centuries gun nuts will admit what the rest of the world knows; the 2nd amendment is responsible for these waves of mass murders. Not video games. Not mental health. Not movies. Not transgender folks. It’s the availability of guns to where anyone who can scape together enough money can buy an arsenal and up until they bust a cap in someone, they haven’t violated a single law.

As for gun laws not working:

According to the CDC, Texas’s firearm mortality rate increased from 14.2 in 2020 to 15.6 in 2021. In 2020 alone, 2,422 Texas gun license applications were denied, 573 were revoked and 3,412 were suspended, according to data from the Texas Department of Public Safety.

Texas Has The Second Most Mass Shootings In 2023: How Its Other Gun Violence Crimes Measure Up

Texas is one of 27—largely right-leaning—states that allow permitless carry.

www.forbes.com

Your premise is dog shit and so are you.

Idiot.....Texas had hundreds of thousands of illegal Mexicans crossing the border......including the drug cartel gun men running them....

Meanwhile, California has had more actual mass public shootings than Texas......

 

[Blues Man]

Well thanks for admitting the systematic racism does exist. Maybe in a few centuries gun nuts will admit what the rest of the world knows; the 2nd amendment is responsible for these waves of mass murders. Not video games. Not mental health. Not movies. Not transgender folks. It’s the availability of guns to where anyone who can scape together enough money can buy an arsenal and up until they bust a cap in someone, they haven’t violated a single law.

As for gun laws not working:

According to the CDC, Texas’s firearm mortality rate increased from 14.2 in 2020 to 15.6 in 2021. In 2020 alone, 2,422 Texas gun license applications were denied, 573 were revoked and 3,412 were suspended, according to data from the Texas Department of Public Safety.

Texas Has The Second Most Mass Shootings In 2023: How Its Other Gun Violence Crimes Measure Up

Texas is one of 27—largely right-leaning—states that allow permitless carry.

www.forbes.com

Your premise is dog shit and so are you.

Yeah all gun nuts are racists right?

So what? That's a correlation not causation. And that firearm mortality rate no doubt includes suicides which are not crimes.


That has nothing to do with the FACT that we do not prosecute people who illegally possess guns even though they are committing both state and federal crimes by doing so.

US ATTY offices aren't prosecuting these crimes and State DAs drop gun gun charges all the time

Thousands of felony gun cases are being dismissed in Cook County criminal courts - The Chicago Reporter

Thousands of felony cases involving a weapons violation are being dismissed in Cook County. Is the public pressure to crack down on gun violence inadvertently driving up these numbers?

www.chicagoreporter.com

In Delaware, 71% of gun charges are dropped

While 71 percent of charges are dropped, state prosecutors say convictions of some sort in firearms cases at 87 percent.

www.delawareonline.com

Gang, Gun Charges Plummet Under DA Gascón, Sparking Debate Over Justice And Safety

Data we obtained shows huge drops in the number of cases in which prosecutors have sought longer sentences for defendants accused of using guns during a crime and/or committing a crime for the benefit of a gang.

laist.com

Most gun charges in Connecticut dismissed or nolled, according to report

Read More at Connecticut Inside Investigator >>

insideinvestigator.org

 

[Captain Caveman]

The facts are -

1) The US has abysmal gun stats

2) The 2nd Amendment arms crazies

3) Those who feel that are the good guys, wouldn't hesitate to shoot their countrymen

4) Only 20% of Americans in school and uni haven't shot anyone

5) Gun nuts feel that the answer to out of control guns is to throw more out of control guns at the out of control gun problem

6) Mass shootings in America out numbers car crashes

7) American gun owners "honestly" believes no one else on the planet owns a gun

These are the dreadful facts about America and guns. The only nation on the planet that actually has a sexual fetish with metal that shoots bullets

 

[Failzero]

The facts are -

1) The US has abysmal gun stats

2) The 2nd Amendment arms crazies

3) Those who feel that are the good guys, wouldn't hesitate to shoot their countrymen

4) Only 20% of Americans in school and uni haven't shot anyone

5) Gun nuts feel that the answer to out of control guns is to throw more out of control guns at the out of control gun problem

6) Mass shootings in America out numbers car crashes

7) American gun owners "honestly" believes no one else on the planet owns a gun

These are the dreadful facts about America and guns. The only nation on the planet that actually has a sexual fetish with metal that shoots bullets

Let in 6-9 Million turd Worlders & Cartel Henchmen & their families & Single Military Age Males From 117 Countries then Disarm Law Abiding Americans ( What could go wrong )

 

[Captain Caveman]

Let in 6-9 Million turd Worlders & Cartel Henchmen & their families & Single Military Age Males From 117 Countries then Disarm Law Abiding Americans ( What could go wrong )

Do you feel only America has immigrants? Both brain cells please.

 

[Failzero]

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Do you feel only America has immigrants? Both brain cells please.

Chinese Military Age Single Males by the tens of thousands .

 

[AZrailwhale]

Do you feel only America has immigrants? Both brain cells please.

We take in more LEGAL immigrants per year than any other country. That number is absolutely dwarfed by the number of ILLEGAL immigrants per year. In the last three years we have taken in at least ONE PERCENT of our total population in new illegal aliens. That would equal the UK taking in 677,368 illegal aliens in three years. Our ILLEGAL alien population equals nearly 25% of your total population. So we have a much greater problem than any other country in the world.

 

[2aguy]

The facts are -

1) The US has abysmal gun stats

2) The 2nd Amendment arms crazies

3) Those who feel that are the good guys, wouldn't hesitate to shoot their countrymen

4) Only 20% of Americans in school and uni haven't shot anyone

5) Gun nuts feel that the answer to out of control guns is to throw more out of control guns at the out of control gun problem

6) Mass shootings in America out numbers car crashes

7) American gun owners "honestly" believes no one else on the planet owns a gun

These are the dreadful facts about America and guns. The only nation on the planet that actually has a sexual fetish with metal that shoots bullets

Europe has far, far worse murder stats than the U.S.....

In the 1920s, Europe began registering guns, stating it would make their people safer, by the mid 1920s they began to ban and confiscate guns.......19 years later the German socialists began murdering 15-20 million innocent men, women and children....over 1 million children...in just 6 years. This murder was only stopped by Americans with our guns.

In the U.S., gun murder over our entire 247 years history?

Around 2,470,000

Can you tell which number is bigger, and which situation, armed citizens or unarmed citizens, leads to more murder?

 

[2aguy]

Do you feel only America has immigrants? Both brain cells please.

You didn't answer this question...

With about 100,000 hamas supporters in Britain, minimum, what are you going to do when they decide to do an Oct. 7 in London, or any other city in England?

Your police are unarmed, with only small special units with rifles....what are you going to do to keep them from raping, torturing, murdering, and mutilating your family, including young children and babies?

What are you going to do to stop them?

 

[Blues Man]

The facts are -

1) The US has abysmal gun stats

2) The 2nd Amendment arms crazies

3) Those who feel that are the good guys, wouldn't hesitate to shoot their countrymen

4) Only 20% of Americans in school and uni haven't shot anyone

5) Gun nuts feel that the answer to out of control guns is to throw more out of control guns at the out of control gun problem

6) Mass shootings in America out numbers car crashes

7) American gun owners "honestly" believes no one else on the planet owns a gun

These are the dreadful facts about America and guns. The only nation on the planet that actually has a sexual fetish with metal that shoots bullets

Not really.

You're too thick to understand that the vast majority of this country has extremely low murder rates and that murders are concentrated in just handful of very small very well defined areas in just a few or our major cities.

And the fact that vast majority of the up to 60% of the population that own guns legally will never shoot anyone proves you wrong that we are all trigger happy

But you foreign idiots think that we're all crowded in like sardines in a can like you serfs are on your overcrowded little island and that our crime stats are homogenous across the entirety of the country,

And unlike you who knows Jack shit about the US, we here know that our government does not enforce the gun laws we have on the books and that if they did murder and crime rates would plummet but the idiots we have in office at both the state and federal level won't enforce these laws because it doesn;t fit their narrative and they don;t have the will to do what it takes

 

[Captain Caveman]

Not really.

You're too thick to understand that the vast majority of this country has extremely low murder rates and that murders are concentrated in just handful of very small very well defined areas in just a few or our major cities.

And the fact that vast majority of the up to 60% of the population that own guns legally will never shoot anyone proves you wrong that we are all trigger happy

But you foreign idiots think that we're all crowded in like sardines in a can like you serfs are on your overcrowded little island and that our crime stats are homogenous across the entirety of the country,

And unlike you who knows Jack shit about the US, we here know that our government does not enforce the gun laws we have on the books and that if they did murder and crime rates would plummet but the idiots we have in office at both the state and federal level won't enforce these laws because it doesn;t fit their narrative and they don;t have the will to do what it takes

What I said stands. Proven fact.

 

[Failzero]

Carry everywhere ( that is why it’s called Conceal Carry )

 

[Blues Man]

What I said stands. Proven fact.

There is far more to the issue than your tiny mind can comprehend.

 

[Captain Caveman]

There is far more to the issue than your tiny mind can comprehend.

You have a very limited vocabulary range within debates. You need to increase the complexity of your thinking, if that's possible.