McConnell reportedly warned Trump against using emergency powers

[danielpalos]

'Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) warned President Trump during a face-to-face meeting at the White House that using emergency powers to get funding for his border wall "may trigger political blowback and divide the GOP," the Washington Post reports.

Why it matters: Trump told the New York Times Thursday that bipartisan conference talks will have been "a waste of time" if Democrats don't provide funding for a wall, and signaled that he has laid the groundwork for declaring a national emergency. McConnell reportedly told Trump that the Senate may pass a resolution disapproving of his use of emergency powers, potentially forcing the president to issue a veto — his first ever — in defiance of his own party.'

McConnell reportedly warned Trump against using emergency powers

Interesting.

We should question the right wing being willing to shut down Government over a dictate for a Wall, but not equality or equal protection of the law.

 

[Slyhunter]

I'm no law expert, but surely an emergency is a prerequisite to declaring a State of Emergency?
35 days of shutdown, and another 3 weeks to jaw about it, and it's an emergency?

58 national emergencies have been declared since 1979. 30 of them are still in act. Obama declared a national emergency that had nothing to do with our country. This is more a national emergency then Obama's.

 

[danielpalos]

I'm no law expert, but surely an emergency is a prerequisite to declaring a State of Emergency?
35 days of shutdown, and another 3 weeks to jaw about it, and it's an emergency?

58 national emergencies have been declared since 1979. 30 of them are still in act. Obama declared a national emergency that had nothing to do with our country. This is more a national emergency then Obama's.

we subscribe to capitalism; nothing but right wing socialism they refuse to pay for with wartime tax rates. they should be abolished in favor of freedom for individuals to engage in trade.

 

[Preacher]

Fuck what Turtle wants. Maybe him and the rest of Congress should have done their damn jobs YEARS AGO and defended the damn border. I don't particularly see WHY President Trump needs to declare a national emergency when he can just order the military to build it and there is NOTHING anyone can do to stop him,while the NE declaration will have a lawsuit filed against it ASAP.

I think Trump should do that immediately. Tell them to bring shovels.

See Article 1 Section 9 Clause 7 clearly places the power of appropriations (power of the purse) squarely under the control of Congress.

So Trump orders a whole bunch of troops (10's, 100's, 1000's, 10's of thousands?) to the border. No explain where they are going to get the money to build the wall? (eminent domain to pay for land taken, concrete, steel, etc.)

You realize that Trump having the military build the wall isn't about ordering troops to the border to build the wall, Trumps "military will build the wall" is really about Trump taking DOD funds away from military personnel, military training, military procurement, and military operational funds to hire contractors to build the wall.

Please note that even if Trump does declare a national emergency to build his "mission accomplished" photo-op wall, that the people voted the House in to oppose such an idea. So if he does than as you mention it will be challenged in court AND you can bet that the DEMs in the House will pass a Joint Resolution in a hot minuted (under Section 202 of the National Emergencies Act of 1976) which the Senate will be required under the law vote on. The last think McConnell wants in the GOP Senators on record going into the 2020 Senate elections as the picture is not as nice for the GOP in 2020 as it was in 2018 since they will have A LOT more seats to defend. If passed it would end Trumps national emergency and he wouldn't be able to take funding away from military men and women and their ability to do jobs.
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If the congress votes to disapprove of the Trump emergency declaration its like marking themselves with a HUGE target and I will bet now that we will see the biggest turnover rate in the congress come 2020. A LOT of America First and populist candidates taking out establishment candidates who refuse to put America first.

If they don't then Republicans will lose independents and suburban voters. Remember what happened in SC. Mark Sanford was defeated in the primary by a Trump nut and lost the General. In Minnesota, a nutty Trumpie beat Pawlenty in the primary for Governor and Democrats won easily.

In a year that the party in power was expected to lose,guess you missed the poll that showed most supporters of both parties want both parties to go farther left and farther right....I mean yall love polls and all. In Minnesota since when was it a red state? The leftist elected replaced a leftist governor...in SC the woman that lost was injured in a horrible car wreck but that didn't stop the clown leftist from campaigning like a real man would have done.

 

[TroglocratsRdumb]

'Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) warned President Trump during a face-to-face meeting at the White House that using emergency powers to get funding for his border wall "may trigger political blowback and divide the GOP," the Washington Post reports.

Why it matters: Trump told the New York Times Thursday that bipartisan conference talks will have been "a waste of time" if Democrats don't provide funding for a wall, and signaled that he has laid the groundwork for declaring a national emergency. McConnell reportedly told Trump that the Senate may pass a resolution disapproving of his use of emergency powers, potentially forcing the president to issue a veto — his first ever — in defiance of his own party.'

McConnell reportedly warned Trump against using emergency powers

Interesting.

Why are the Democrats so opposed to protecting our country's sovereignty?

What the hell does that response have to do with a thousand year old picture of Mitch McConnell? Are you in the right thread? That was a completely off topic non-sequitur. Did you lose 10 pounds pulling that one out of your ass?

umm the subject is the Democratic Party's opposition to border security

 

[Preacher]

I'm no law expert, but surely an emergency is a prerequisite to declaring a State of Emergency?
35 days of shutdown, and another 3 weeks to jaw about it, and it's an emergency?

Two years of Republicans in full control of all three branches of government and failing to fund a ‘wall’ – an now it’s an ‘emergency.’

That's what makes it an emergency. The people whom the government is supposed to represent isn't representing or protecting them anymore. They are more interested in protecting their interest than serving the American people.

Trump is serving the American people for whom elected him.

Democrats oppose what he is doing. Independents oppose what he is doing. A majority of a minority is what you are talking about. It was independents who elected him. He is ignoring them.

Trump calling the crisis at the US southern border an "emergency" makes more sense than the last (10) that Obama declared (seen below). How is "blocking property" of someone called an "emergency"? The courts would need to consider these as not as important to the US as Trump's wall.
Here are the 28 active national emergencies - CNNPolitics
19. Blocking Property of Certain Persons Contributing to the Conflict in Somalia (Apr. 12, 2010)
20. Blocking Property and Prohibiting Certain Transactions Related to Libya (Feb. 25, 2011)
21. Blocking Property of Transnational Criminal Organizations (Jul. 25, 2011)
22. Blocking Property of Persons Threatening the Peace, Security, or Stability of Yemen (May 16, 2012)
23. Blocking Property of Certain Persons Contributing to the Situation in Ukraine (Mar. 6, 2014)
24. Blocking Property of Certain Persons With Respect to South Sudan (Apr. 3, 2014)
25. Blocking Property of Certain Persons Contributing to the Conflict in the Central African Republic (May 12, 2014)
26. Blocking Property and Suspending Entry of Certain Persons Contributing to the Situation in Venezuela (Mar. 9, 2015)
27. Blocking the Property of Certain Persons Engaging in Significant Malicious Cyber-Enabled Activities (Apr. 1, 2015)
28. Blocking Property of Certain Persons Contributing to the Situation in Burundi (Nov. 23, 2015)

These are all foreign policy issues. They do not directly contradict the Constitution. The Congress has the power of the purse. Building a wall under the guise of a national emergency will require the Courts to examine the issue.

McConnell 'warned' the President about using his Legal powers, the same ones Obama used 13 times? Once to call BURUNDI a 'U.S. National Emergency'?

All on foreign policy issues. Name one of them that directly contradicted the Constitution.

'Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) warned President Trump during a face-to-face meeting at the White House that using emergency powers to get funding for his border wall "may trigger political blowback and divide the GOP," the Washington Post reports.

Why it matters: Trump told the New York Times Thursday that bipartisan conference talks will have been "a waste of time" if Democrats don't provide funding for a wall, and signaled that he has laid the groundwork for declaring a national emergency. McConnell reportedly told Trump that the Senate may pass a resolution disapproving of his use of emergency powers, potentially forcing the president to issue a veto — his first ever — in defiance of his own party.'

McConnell reportedly warned Trump against using emergency powers

Interesting.

I'm no law expert, but surely an emergency is a prerequisite to declaring a State of Emergency?
35 days of shutdown, and another 3 weeks to jaw about it, and it's an emergency?

What’s also interesting is that there is no ‘national emergency’ – there is only Trump’s fear, ignorance, bigotry, and hate.

And whatever unobligated funds Trump might misappropriate, it won’t be near enough to build a ‘wall.’

'Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) warned President Trump during a face-to-face meeting at the White House that using emergency powers to get funding for his border wall "may trigger political blowback and divide the GOP," the Washington Post reports.

Why it matters: Trump told the New York Times Thursday that bipartisan conference talks will have been "a waste of time" if Democrats don't provide funding for a wall, and signaled that he has laid the groundwork for declaring a national emergency. McConnell reportedly told Trump that the Senate may pass a resolution disapproving of his use of emergency powers, potentially forcing the president to issue a veto — his first ever — in defiance of his own party.'

McConnell reportedly warned Trump against using emergency powers

Interesting.

Let him declare an emergency. When the GOP loses Dems can call a couple of things emergencies.

Trump swears our security wont work without a wall - next thing out of his yap, we are already building the wall.

the only emergency is the old fart remembering what he's says.

Exactly.

5 facts about illegal immigration in the U.S.

Illegal immigration is declining - not rising.

So where is the emergency?

And why has Trump not even mentioned increasing penalties for those who hire illegal immigrants?

Surely, that would be an obvious course of action if this were an 'emergency'.

But no, he has not (to my recollection) even mentioned it during the shutdown.

Not once.

Might this have something to do with it?

President Trump hired undocumented immigrants for $4 an hour for demolition project: court docs

He hired them for construction and cleaning and all kinds of things. He started firing them recently because he got caught red handed.

And why has Trump not even mentioned increasing penalties for those who hire illegal immigrants?

Surely, that would be an obvious course of action if this were an 'emergency'.

But no, he has not (to my recollection) even mentioned it during the shutdown.

Not once.

Might this have something to do with it?

President Trump hired undocumented immigrants for $4 an hour for demolition project: court docs

He hired them for construction and cleaning and all kinds of things. He started firing them recently because he got caught red handed.

Winery owned by Trump’s son trying to hire 23 foreign guest workers: petition
like father; like son.
Although better than fake green cards.

To each and every one of you stupid fucks: A Democrat Congress promised to secure the border in 1989 in exchange for president Reagan granting amnesty to 3 million illegals, which he did.

WHERE IN THE FUCK IS THE SECURE BORDER? Wall, like more than 20 years ago is what it's time for. Each and every one of you asshats that claims it isn't, is a retard. You're going to get a wall, you may not like it, but you are gonna learn to deal with it.

Ronald Reagan wanted to tear down walls not build them. There is going to be no wall. If there were, after 2020, a Democrat President could declare a national emergency and tear down the wall. You like Trump are retarded.

Fuck what Turtle wants. Maybe him and the rest of Congress should have done their damn jobs YEARS AGO and defended the damn border. I don't particularly see WHY President Trump needs to declare a national emergency when he can just order the military to build it and there is NOTHING anyone can do to stop him,while the NE declaration will have a lawsuit filed against it ASAP.

I think Trump should do that immediately. Tell them to bring shovels.

See Article 1 Section 9 Clause 7 clearly places the power of appropriations (power of the purse) squarely under the control of Congress.

So Trump orders a whole bunch of troops (10's, 100's, 1000's, 10's of thousands?) to the border. No explain where they are going to get the money to build the wall? (eminent domain to pay for land taken, concrete, steel, etc.)

You realize that Trump having the military build the wall isn't about ordering troops to the border to build the wall, Trumps "military will build the wall" is really about Trump taking DOD funds away from military personnel, military training, military procurement, and military operational funds to hire contractors to build the wall.

Please note that even if Trump does declare a national emergency to build his "mission accomplished" photo-op wall, that the people voted the House in to oppose such an idea. So if he does than as you mention it will be challenged in court AND you can bet that the DEMs in the House will pass a Joint Resolution in a hot minuted (under Section 202 of the National Emergencies Act of 1976) which the Senate will be required under the law vote on. The last think McConnell wants in the GOP Senators on record going into the 2020 Senate elections as the picture is not as nice for the GOP in 2020 as it was in 2018 since they will have A LOT more seats to defend. If passed it would end Trumps national emergency and he wouldn't be able to take funding away from military men and women and their ability to do jobs.
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Trump if orders the military to the border, it will be for the reason of stopping an invasion. This is a national emergency. It threatens the stabilization of the financial interior of this nation, along with the security of this nation.

There is no invasion. There is no emergency. The only threat to this country is Trump and his goons.

Fuck what Turtle wants. Maybe him and the rest of Congress should have done their damn jobs YEARS AGO and defended the damn border. I don't particularly see WHY President Trump needs to declare a national emergency when he can just order the military to build it and there is NOTHING anyone can do to stop him,while the NE declaration will have a lawsuit filed against it ASAP.

I think Trump should do that immediately. Tell them to bring shovels.

See Article 1 Section 9 Clause 7 clearly places the power of appropriations (power of the purse) squarely under the control of Congress.

So Trump orders a whole bunch of troops (10's, 100's, 1000's, 10's of thousands?) to the border. No explain where they are going to get the money to build the wall? (eminent domain to pay for land taken, concrete, steel, etc.)

You realize that Trump having the military build the wall isn't about ordering troops to the border to build the wall, Trumps "military will build the wall" is really about Trump taking DOD funds away from military personnel, military training, military procurement, and military operational funds to hire contractors to build the wall.

Please note that even if Trump does declare a national emergency to build his "mission accomplished" photo-op wall, that the people voted the House in to oppose such an idea. So if he does than as you mention it will be challenged in court AND you can bet that the DEMs in the House will pass a Joint Resolution in a hot minuted (under Section 202 of the National Emergencies Act of 1976) which the Senate will be required under the law vote on. The last think McConnell wants in the GOP Senators on record going into the 2020 Senate elections as the picture is not as nice for the GOP in 2020 as it was in 2018 since they will have A LOT more seats to defend. If passed it would end Trumps national emergency and he wouldn't be able to take funding away from military men and women and their ability to do jobs.
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If the congress votes to disapprove of the Trump emergency declaration its like marking themselves with a HUGE target and I will bet now that we will see the biggest turnover rate in the congress come 2020. A LOT of America First and populist candidates taking out establishment candidates who refuse to put America first.

If they don't then Republicans will lose independents and suburban voters. Remember what happened in SC. Mark Sanford was defeated in the primary by a Trump nut and lost the General. In Minnesota, a nutty Trumpie beat Pawlenty in the primary for Governor and Democrats won easily.

'Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) warned President Trump during a face-to-face meeting at the White House that using emergency powers to get funding for his border wall "may trigger political blowback and divide the GOP," the Washington Post reports.

Why it matters: Trump told the New York Times Thursday that bipartisan conference talks will have been "a waste of time" if Democrats don't provide funding for a wall, and signaled that he has laid the groundwork for declaring a national emergency. McConnell reportedly told Trump that the Senate may pass a resolution disapproving of his use of emergency powers, potentially forcing the president to issue a veto — his first ever — in defiance of his own party.'

McConnell reportedly warned Trump against using emergency powers

Interesting.

I'm no law expert, but surely an emergency is a prerequisite to declaring a State of Emergency?
35 days of shutdown, and another 3 weeks to jaw about it, and it's an emergency?

What’s also interesting is that there is no ‘national emergency’ – there is only Trump’s fear, ignorance, bigotry, and hate.

And whatever unobligated funds Trump might misappropriate, it won’t be near enough to build a ‘wall.’

Let him declare an emergency. When the GOP loses Dems can call a couple of things emergencies.

Trump swears our security wont work without a wall - next thing out of his yap, we are already building the wall.

the only emergency is the old fart remembering what he's says.

He hired them for construction and cleaning and all kinds of things. He started firing them recently because he got caught red handed.

Winery owned by Trump’s son trying to hire 23 foreign guest workers: petition
like father; like son.
Although better than fake green cards.

To each and every one of you stupid fucks: A Democrat Congress promised to secure the border in 1989 in exchange for president Reagan granting amnesty to 3 million illegals, which he did.

WHERE IN THE FUCK IS THE SECURE BORDER? Wall, like more than 20 years ago is what it's time for. Each and every one of you asshats that claims it isn't, is a retard. You're going to get a wall, you may not like it, but you are gonna learn to deal with it.

what they really thought:

Bush was a globalist piece of shit. He should have built some wall, I don't think he built any, had to wait until Clinton for that. To date, Bill Clinton has built more wall than any other president.

Where is Trump's stuff made in? China. Trump is a globalist.

7 posts in a row?

He/She obviously hasn't figured out there is a multi quote function...

 

[danielpalos]

'Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) warned President Trump during a face-to-face meeting at the White House that using emergency powers to get funding for his border wall "may trigger political blowback and divide the GOP," the Washington Post reports.

Why it matters: Trump told the New York Times Thursday that bipartisan conference talks will have been "a waste of time" if Democrats don't provide funding for a wall, and signaled that he has laid the groundwork for declaring a national emergency. McConnell reportedly told Trump that the Senate may pass a resolution disapproving of his use of emergency powers, potentially forcing the president to issue a veto — his first ever — in defiance of his own party.'

McConnell reportedly warned Trump against using emergency powers

Interesting.

Why are the Democrats so opposed to protecting our country's sovereignty?

What the hell does that response have to do with a thousand year old picture of Mitch McConnell? Are you in the right thread? That was a completely off topic non-sequitur. Did you lose 10 pounds pulling that one out of your ass?

umm the subject is the Democratic Party's opposition to border security

we have border security; we have a refugee problem.

 

[Stormy Daniels]

umm the subject is the Democratic Party's opposition to border security

Oops, guess I'm the one in the wrong thread.

 

[TroglocratsRdumb]

umm the subject is the Democratic Party's opposition to border security

Oops, guess I'm the one in the wrong thread.

I've done that also lol

 

[bodecea]

'Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) warned President Trump during a face-to-face meeting at the White House that using emergency powers to get funding for his border wall "may trigger political blowback and divide the GOP," the Washington Post reports.

Why it matters: Trump told the New York Times Thursday that bipartisan conference talks will have been "a waste of time" if Democrats don't provide funding for a wall, and signaled that he has laid the groundwork for declaring a national emergency. McConnell reportedly told Trump that the Senate may pass a resolution disapproving of his use of emergency powers, potentially forcing the president to issue a veto — his first ever — in defiance of his own party.'

McConnell reportedly warned Trump against using emergency powers

Interesting.

It's going to get even more interesting in the next few months. More and more people are beginning to work on their 2018 tax returns and finding out just how much the conservative republicans screwed them.

 

[bodecea]

Trump understands something much more important

The nation has now Unequal JUSTICE

Because of that the nation is falling fast

Majority of men says one thing

And the opposite majority of women the opposite

Trump
Has the men on his side

Trump must do the wall and declare the govt totally broken

And make logic tests for voting

Even if a 5 to 4 split from the court will not stop trump because he has the men

Trump has a majority of men judging the mueller probe as simple pure blackmail crime

^INCEL^ for a very very good reason.

 

[easyt65]

We should question the right wing being willing to shut down Government over a dictate for a Wall, but not equality or equal protection of the law.

You should question Pelosi's willingness to stand with violent illegals, human traffickers, rapists, thieves, and cop killers against US Citizens to keep the borders open and shut down the govt just to hurt the President's re-election chances in 2020.

You should question the Left's rejection of the concept of equal protection / accountability of everyone under the law, as obvious by their illegally operating / protecting Sanctuary Cities that provide a safe haven for the criminals mentioned above....as obvious by their protection or proven criminal Democrats (according to existing evidence), such as Hillary, Holder, Comey, McCabe, Clapper, Brennan, etc...

The overwhelming hypocrisy in your condescending post is a great example of the typical Leftist Extremist re-cycled propaganda.

 

[easyt65]

It's going to get even more interesting in the next few months. More and more people are beginning to work on their 2018 tax returns and finding out just how much the conservative republicans screwed them.

yeah, it must suck for them finding out how much more money they made after getting a job, how much they made in raises and bonuses, how much better they are off now than when they did not have a job and was dependent on govt handouts.

 

[bodecea]

What’s also interesting is that there is no ‘national emergency’ – there is only Trump’s fear, ignorance, bigotry, and hate.

And whatever unobligated funds Trump might misappropriate, it won’t be near enough to build a ‘wall.’

Exactly.

5 facts about illegal immigration in the U.S.

Illegal immigration is declining - not rising.

So where is the emergency?

And why has Trump not even mentioned increasing penalties for those who hire illegal immigrants?

Surely, that would be an obvious course of action if this were an 'emergency'.

But no, he has not (to my recollection) even mentioned it during the shutdown.

Not once.

Might this have something to do with it?

President Trump hired undocumented immigrants for $4 an hour for demolition project: court docs

He hired them for construction and cleaning and all kinds of things. He started firing them recently because he got caught red handed.

Where are the fines for hiring them in the first place?

 

[bodecea]

It's going to get even more interesting in the next few months. More and more people are beginning to work on their 2018 tax returns and finding out just how much the conservative republicans screwed them.

yeah, it must suck for them finding out how much more money they made after getting a job, how much they made in raises and bonuses, how much better they are off now than when they did not have a job and was dependent on govt handouts.

Sure....if that is what really happens......but, as I said, I've already got pro-trump friends starting to get "sticker shock" about their 2018 tax returns. Anecdotes for sure....but they are piling up.

 

[busybee01]

'Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) warned President Trump during a face-to-face meeting at the White House that using emergency powers to get funding for his border wall "may trigger political blowback and divide the GOP," the Washington Post reports.

Why it matters: Trump told the New York Times Thursday that bipartisan conference talks will have been "a waste of time" if Democrats don't provide funding for a wall, and signaled that he has laid the groundwork for declaring a national emergency. McConnell reportedly told Trump that the Senate may pass a resolution disapproving of his use of emergency powers, potentially forcing the president to issue a veto — his first ever — in defiance of his own party.'

McConnell reportedly warned Trump against using emergency powers

Interesting.

I'm no law expert, but surely an emergency is a prerequisite to declaring a State of Emergency?
35 days of shutdown, and another 3 weeks to jaw about it, and it's an emergency?

What’s also interesting is that there is no ‘national emergency’ – there is only Trump’s fear, ignorance, bigotry, and hate.

And whatever unobligated funds Trump might misappropriate, it won’t be near enough to build a ‘wall.’

'Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) warned President Trump during a face-to-face meeting at the White House that using emergency powers to get funding for his border wall "may trigger political blowback and divide the GOP," the Washington Post reports.

Why it matters: Trump told the New York Times Thursday that bipartisan conference talks will have been "a waste of time" if Democrats don't provide funding for a wall, and signaled that he has laid the groundwork for declaring a national emergency. McConnell reportedly told Trump that the Senate may pass a resolution disapproving of his use of emergency powers, potentially forcing the president to issue a veto — his first ever — in defiance of his own party.'

McConnell reportedly warned Trump against using emergency powers

Interesting.

Let him declare an emergency. When the GOP loses Dems can call a couple of things emergencies.

Trump swears our security wont work without a wall - next thing out of his yap, we are already building the wall.

the only emergency is the old fart remembering what he's says.

Exactly.

5 facts about illegal immigration in the U.S.

Illegal immigration is declining - not rising.

So where is the emergency?

And why has Trump not even mentioned increasing penalties for those who hire illegal immigrants?

Surely, that would be an obvious course of action if this were an 'emergency'.

But no, he has not (to my recollection) even mentioned it during the shutdown.

Not once.

Might this have something to do with it?

President Trump hired undocumented immigrants for $4 an hour for demolition project: court docs

He hired them for construction and cleaning and all kinds of things. He started firing them recently because he got caught red handed.

And why has Trump not even mentioned increasing penalties for those who hire illegal immigrants?

Surely, that would be an obvious course of action if this were an 'emergency'.

But no, he has not (to my recollection) even mentioned it during the shutdown.

Not once.

Might this have something to do with it?

President Trump hired undocumented immigrants for $4 an hour for demolition project: court docs

He hired them for construction and cleaning and all kinds of things. He started firing them recently because he got caught red handed.

Winery owned by Trump’s son trying to hire 23 foreign guest workers: petition
like father; like son.
Although better than fake green cards.

To each and every one of you stupid fucks: A Democrat Congress promised to secure the border in 1989 in exchange for president Reagan granting amnesty to 3 million illegals, which he did.

WHERE IN THE FUCK IS THE SECURE BORDER? Wall, like more than 20 years ago is what it's time for. Each and every one of you asshats that claims it isn't, is a retard. You're going to get a wall, you may not like it, but you are gonna learn to deal with it.

Ronald Reagan wanted to tear down walls not build them. There is going to be no wall. If there were, after 2020, a Democrat President could declare a national emergency and tear down the wall. You like Trump are retarded.

You apparently know nothing about the Democrats or Republicans. In 2013, Chuck Schumer introduced Senate bill S. 744, which provided billions of dollars for hundreds of miles of border fencing, more billions of dollars for hi tech surveillance equipment to make it a smart fence, ended the visa lottery and ended chaim immigration, as well as funding for thousands more border patrol agents - all the things the President no wants - and it proposed trying to find paths of citizenship for 11,000,000 illegals already here, but did not specify what those paths might be. Every Democrat in the Senate voted for this bill along with the two independents, Sanders and King. The Republicans in the House refused to allow the bill to come to a vote in the House, so it never became law, but the lesson to be learned from S. 744 is that 3 years before Trump became President, the Democrats unanimously supported exactly what he is demanding now. So what we are seeing from the Democrats now is purely partisan politics and has no relation to their actual opinions on the President's immigration proposals.

You apparently do not understand. A fence is not a wall. Just because they supported a fence back there does not mean they are obliged to support a wall now. They are also supporting a high tech wall now. They agreed to some of this as part of a compromise in the gang of eight bill that was defeated in the Senate by Republicans. They did not support what Trump wants now and you are showing your dishonesty. Before Trump decided to run for President, he gave money to Schumer and Clinton and even to what he now calls a criminal enterprise, the Clinton Foundation. That is not what he called it back then.

 

[busybee01]

All on foreign policy issues. Name one of them that directly contradicted the Constitution.

You tell me how BURUNDI was a legitimate US Natl emergency when our national sovereignty due to illegal border crossing is not.

How many Americans were raped, robbed, or murdered by Illegals in Burundi?

The question is not whether a President can declare a national emergency. The question is whether a President can use a national emergency to bypass the Constitution. Declaring a national emergency over Burundi does not run afoul of the Constitution. Building a wall would directly contradict the Constitution which gives Congress the power of the purse.

 

[easyt65]

Sure....if that is what really happens......but, as I said, I've already got pro-trump friends starting to get "sticker shock" about their 2018 tax returns. Anecdotes for sure....but they are piling up.

Well, when you get off of Food Stamps, Welfare, and unemployment and start making an actual salary that helps you become independent, able to stand up on your own feet, you start paying taxes.

 

[easyt65]

The question is not whether a President can declare a national emergency.

WHY only NOW, after Obama declared a National Emergency 13 times - again, once over BURUNDI, is it time to begin questioning if a President can declare a National Emergency?



(By the way - there is no question. Congress already passed legislation deferring that power to the President. Having regrets about doing so now does not render that legislation 'moot'. Stop your whining! )

 

[toomuchtime_]

'Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) warned President Trump during a face-to-face meeting at the White House that using emergency powers to get funding for his border wall "may trigger political blowback and divide the GOP," the Washington Post reports.

Why it matters: Trump told the New York Times Thursday that bipartisan conference talks will have been "a waste of time" if Democrats don't provide funding for a wall, and signaled that he has laid the groundwork for declaring a national emergency. McConnell reportedly told Trump that the Senate may pass a resolution disapproving of his use of emergency powers, potentially forcing the president to issue a veto — his first ever — in defiance of his own party.'

McConnell reportedly warned Trump against using emergency powers

Interesting.

I'm no law expert, but surely an emergency is a prerequisite to declaring a State of Emergency?
35 days of shutdown, and another 3 weeks to jaw about it, and it's an emergency?

What’s also interesting is that there is no ‘national emergency’ – there is only Trump’s fear, ignorance, bigotry, and hate.

And whatever unobligated funds Trump might misappropriate, it won’t be near enough to build a ‘wall.’

'Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) warned President Trump during a face-to-face meeting at the White House that using emergency powers to get funding for his border wall "may trigger political blowback and divide the GOP," the Washington Post reports.

Why it matters: Trump told the New York Times Thursday that bipartisan conference talks will have been "a waste of time" if Democrats don't provide funding for a wall, and signaled that he has laid the groundwork for declaring a national emergency. McConnell reportedly told Trump that the Senate may pass a resolution disapproving of his use of emergency powers, potentially forcing the president to issue a veto — his first ever — in defiance of his own party.'

McConnell reportedly warned Trump against using emergency powers

Interesting.

Let him declare an emergency. When the GOP loses Dems can call a couple of things emergencies.

Trump swears our security wont work without a wall - next thing out of his yap, we are already building the wall.

the only emergency is the old fart remembering what he's says.

And why has Trump not even mentioned increasing penalties for those who hire illegal immigrants?

Surely, that would be an obvious course of action if this were an 'emergency'.

But no, he has not (to my recollection) even mentioned it during the shutdown.

Not once.

Might this have something to do with it?

President Trump hired undocumented immigrants for $4 an hour for demolition project: court docs

He hired them for construction and cleaning and all kinds of things. He started firing them recently because he got caught red handed.

He hired them for construction and cleaning and all kinds of things. He started firing them recently because he got caught red handed.

Winery owned by Trump’s son trying to hire 23 foreign guest workers: petition
like father; like son.
Although better than fake green cards.

To each and every one of you stupid fucks: A Democrat Congress promised to secure the border in 1989 in exchange for president Reagan granting amnesty to 3 million illegals, which he did.

WHERE IN THE FUCK IS THE SECURE BORDER? Wall, like more than 20 years ago is what it's time for. Each and every one of you asshats that claims it isn't, is a retard. You're going to get a wall, you may not like it, but you are gonna learn to deal with it.

Ronald Reagan wanted to tear down walls not build them. There is going to be no wall. If there were, after 2020, a Democrat President could declare a national emergency and tear down the wall. You like Trump are retarded.

You apparently know nothing about the Democrats or Republicans. In 2013, Chuck Schumer introduced Senate bill S. 744, which provided billions of dollars for hundreds of miles of border fencing, more billions of dollars for hi tech surveillance equipment to make it a smart fence, ended the visa lottery and ended chaim immigration, as well as funding for thousands more border patrol agents - all the things the President no wants - and it proposed trying to find paths of citizenship for 11,000,000 illegals already here, but did not specify what those paths might be. Every Democrat in the Senate voted for this bill along with the two independents, Sanders and King. The Republicans in the House refused to allow the bill to come to a vote in the House, so it never became law, but the lesson to be learned from S. 744 is that 3 years before Trump became President, the Democrats unanimously supported exactly what he is demanding now. So what we are seeing from the Democrats now is purely partisan politics and has no relation to their actual opinions on the President's immigration proposals.

You apparently do not understand. A fence is not a wall. Just because they supported a fence back there does not mean they are obliged to support a wall now. They are also supporting a high tech wall now. They agreed to some of this as part of a compromise in the gang of eight bill that was defeated in the Senate by Republicans. They did not support what Trump wants now and you are showing your dishonesty. Before Trump decided to run for President, he gave money to Schumer and Clinton and even to what he now calls a criminal enterprise, the Clinton Foundation. That is not what he called it back then.

Your ignorance appears to know no bounds. The President wants to build a smart fence and we know this from all the prototypes he has commissioned, so this nonsense of pretending there is any difference between what he wants to do and what the Democrats wanted to do is tantamount to an admission that you only interested in partisan politics and not at all interested in the issue of immigration.

The bill did not fail in the Senate - it passed by a large margin with every Democrats as well as both independents, Sanders and King, voting for it while the Republicans in the Senate were split on it. It was never brought to a vote in the Republican controlled House. The lesson you should be taking from this is that the Democrats are behaving entirely on the basis of partisan politics and have no interest at all in the issue of immigration and that to the Democrats, the so called "dreamers" were never anything more than a political prop.