Meanwhile, in fdr's Concentration Camps....

[Ravi]

... Nothing to do with race, everything to do with war....

That is, of course, absurd.

"Over 127,000 United States citizens were imprisoned during World War II. Their crime? Being of Japanese ancestry."



"Despite the lack of any concrete evidence..., Japanese Americans were suspected of remaining loyal to their ancestral land. ANTI-JAPANESE PARANOIA increased because of a large Japanese presence on the West Coast. ... President Roosevelt signed an executive order in February 1942 ordering the RELOCATION of all Americans of Japanese ancestry to CONCENTRATION CAMPS in the interior of the United States.


...Until the camps were completed, many of the evacuees were held in temporary centers, such as stables at local racetracks. Almost two-thirds of the interns wereNISEI, or Japanese Americans born in the United States. It made no difference that many had never even been to Japan. Even Japanese-American veterans of World War I were forced to leave their homes...

... the interns knew that if they tried to flee, armed sentries who stood watch around the clock, would shoot them.

... While the American concentration camps never reached the levels of Nazi death camps as far as atrocities are concerned, they remain a dark mark on the nation's record of respecting civil liberties and cultural differences."




Japanese-American Internment [ushistory.org]

That doesn't change anything I said. If the Japanese had never attacked us there would have been no internment camps.

 

[Ravi]

The reason the Japanese were put in internment camps is because the Japanese attacked the USA. Nothing to do with race....

"These Japanese Americans, half of whom were children, were incarcerated for up to 4 years, without due process of law or any factual basis, in bleak, remote camps surrounded by barbed wire and armed guards."

"Some Japanese Americans died in the camps due to inadequate medical care and the emotional stresses they encountered. Several were killed by military guards posted for allegedly resisting orders."

"At the time, Executive Order 9066 was justified as a "military necessity" to protect against domestic espionage and sabotage. However, it was later documented that "our government had in its possession proof that not one Japanese American, citizen or not, had engaged in espionage, not one had committed any act of sabotage." (Michi Weglyn, 1976).

Rather, the causes for this unprecedented action in American history, according to the Commission on Wartime Relocation and Internment of Civilians, "were motivated largely by racial prejudice, wartime hysteria, and a failure of political leadership.""


Children of the Camps | INTERNMENT HISTORY

Blah, blah, blah. Why weren't the German Americans give reparations?

 

[Ravi]

In a letter to President Roosevelt, Representative John Dingell of Michigan suggests incarcerating 10,000 Hawaiian Japanese Americans as hostages to ensure "good behavior" on the part of Japan."

Yep, nothing to do with race, instead as a stick to hold over Japan's head.

 

[Unkotare]

Yep, nothing to do with race....

Everything to do with race, and that racist piece of shit, fdr.

 

[Unkotare]

"October 27-30, 1944
The 442nd Regimental Combat Team rescues an American battalion which had been cut off and surrounded by the enemy. Eight hundred casualties are suffered by the 442nd to rescue 211 men. After this rescue, the 442nd is ordered to keep advancing in the forest; they would push ahead without relief or rest until November 9."

 

[Unkotare]

http://web.stanford.edu/group/sjeaa/journal111/Japan4.pdf

 

[Unkotare]

"The Roosevelt administration, never much concerned with the document FDR swore four times to “preserve, protect, and defend,” was determined to defend its policies toward Americans of Japanese descent at all costs, even to the point of lying to the highest court in the land. Solicitor General Charles Fahy defended the administration’s policies before the Supreme Court in the cases brought by Hirabayashi and Korematsu. Fahy argued that the curfew and relocation were matters of “military necessity” and “military urgency.” The court bought Fahy’s arguments and upheld Hirabayashi’s and Korematsu’s convictions, thereby declaring the administration’s policies constitutional.

Fast-forward to 2010. In the course of doing research on some immigration cases, Acting Solicitor General Neal Katyal began looking into the World War II internment cases. On May 24, 2011, at a Justice Department event honoring Asian Americans and Pacific Islanders, Katyal revealed the following:

By the time the cases of Gordon Hirabayashi and Fred Korematsu reached the Supreme Court, the Solicitor General had learned of a key intelligence report that undermined the rationale behind the internment. The Ringle Report, from the Office of Naval Intelligence, found that only a small percentage of Japanese Americans posed a potential security threat, and that the most dangerous were already known or in custody. But the Solicitor General did not inform the Court of the report, despite warnings from Department of Justice attorneys that failing to alert the Court “might approximate the suppression of evidence.” Instead, he argued that it was impossible to segregate loyal Japanese Americans from disloyal ones. Nor did he inform the Court that a key set of allegations used to justify the internment, that Japanese Americans were using radio transmitters to communicate with enemy submarines off the West Coast, had been discredited by the FBI and FCC. And to make matters worse, he relied on gross generalizations about Japanese Americans, such as that they were disloyal and motivated by “racial solidarity.”

“It seemed obvious to me that we had made a mistake,” Katyal added. “The duty of candor wasn’t met.”

The Roosevelt Justice Department had done far more than simply make a “mistake.”

“This was a deliberate, knowing lie by Fahy to the Supreme Court,” University of California at San Diego Professor Peter Irons told the Los Angeles Times. In the 1980s, wrote the paper, Irons “had found reports in old government files that showed the U.S. military did not see Japanese Americans as a threat in 1942. His research led to federal court hearings that set aside the convictions of Korematsu and Hirabayashi. Congress later voted to have the nation apologize and pay reparations to those who were wrongly held.”

According to the Times, Katyal said Fahy’s suppression of evidence “harmed the court, and it harmed 120,000 Japanese Americans. It harmed our reputation as lawyers and as human beings, and it harmed our commitment to those words on the court’s building: Equal Justice Under Law.”"


FDR’s Solicitor General Withheld Evidence in Japanese Internment Cases

 

[Unkotare]

That fucking scumbag FDR knew there was very little risk in the Japanese-American population (far less than in the much, much, much larger German-American population, for example) and persisted with his racist, unconstitutional, anti-American crimes.

"That, in short, the entire "Japanese Problem" has been magnified out of its true proportion, largely because of the physical characteristics of the people; that it is no more serious that the problems of the German, Italian, and Communistic portions of the United States population, and, finally that it should be handled on the basis of the individual, regardless of citizenship, and not on a racial basis."

Ringle Report on Japanese Internment

 

[Unkotare]

"Roger Daniels (1993) revealed that the same day that Executive Order 9066 was signed the U.S. Army Intelligence Agency stated that “mass evaluation was unnecessary” (p. 47). Even the office of Naval Intelligence (NI) as well had stated that there was no evidence of sabotage, espionage and spying on the part of the Japanese Americans residing on the West Coast."

http://www.ijhssnet.com/journals/Vol_2_No_5_March_2012/8.pdf

 

[regent]

The 442nd. changed the whole complexion of the Japanese-American image, but like many changes in a population it took time. Many Americans still did not want the Japanese-Americans back on the coast after the war, but it seems a program was started using the 442nd. as the nucleus for an educational moment and eventually Hawaii was admitted as a state, with Japanese-Americans elected to government. One major change was the change of political power in Hawaii; Hawaii became Democratic and the Doles and Republicans lost tons of power.

 

[Ravi]

"The Roosevelt administration, never much concerned with the document FDR swore four times to “preserve, protect, and defend,” was determined to defend its policies toward Americans of Japanese descent at all costs, even to the point of lying to the highest court in the land. Solicitor General Charles Fahy defended the administration’s policies before the Supreme Court in the cases brought by Hirabayashi and Korematsu. Fahy argued that the curfew and relocation were matters of “military necessity” and “military urgency.” The court bought Fahy’s arguments and upheld Hirabayashi’s and Korematsu’s convictions, thereby declaring the administration’s policies constitutional.

Fast-forward to 2010. In the course of doing research on some immigration cases, Acting Solicitor General Neal Katyal began looking into the World War II internment cases. On May 24, 2011, at a Justice Department event honoring Asian Americans and Pacific Islanders, Katyal revealed the following:

By the time the cases of Gordon Hirabayashi and Fred Korematsu reached the Supreme Court, the Solicitor General had learned of a key intelligence report that undermined the rationale behind the internment. The Ringle Report, from the Office of Naval Intelligence, found that only a small percentage of Japanese Americans posed a potential security threat, and that the most dangerous were already known or in custody. But the Solicitor General did not inform the Court of the report, despite warnings from Department of Justice attorneys that failing to alert the Court “might approximate the suppression of evidence.” Instead, he argued that it was impossible to segregate loyal Japanese Americans from disloyal ones. Nor did he inform the Court that a key set of allegations used to justify the internment, that Japanese Americans were using radio transmitters to communicate with enemy submarines off the West Coast, had been discredited by the FBI and FCC. And to make matters worse, he relied on gross generalizations about Japanese Americans, such as that they were disloyal and motivated by “racial solidarity.”

“It seemed obvious to me that we had made a mistake,” Katyal added. “The duty of candor wasn’t met.”

The Roosevelt Justice Department had done far more than simply make a “mistake.”

“This was a deliberate, knowing lie by Fahy to the Supreme Court,” University of California at San Diego Professor Peter Irons told the Los Angeles Times. In the 1980s, wrote the paper, Irons “had found reports in old government files that showed the U.S. military did not see Japanese Americans as a threat in 1942. His research led to federal court hearings that set aside the convictions of Korematsu and Hirabayashi. Congress later voted to have the nation apologize and pay reparations to those who were wrongly held.”

According to the Times, Katyal said Fahy’s suppression of evidence “harmed the court, and it harmed 120,000 Japanese Americans. It harmed our reputation as lawyers and as human beings, and it harmed our commitment to those words on the court’s building: Equal Justice Under Law.”"


FDR’s Solicitor General Withheld Evidence in Japanese Internment Cases

From your Ringle report:

b) That of the Japanese-born alien residents, the large majority are at least passively loyal to the United States. That is, they would knowingly do nothing what ever to the injury of the United States, but at the same time would not do anything to the injury of Japan. Also, most might well do surreptitious observation work for Japanese interests if given a convenient opportunity.

Moral of the story to Japan: your barbaric behavior ended up hurting you more than it did us.

 

[Unkotare]

"Roger Daniels (1993) revealed that the same day that Executive Order 9066 was signed the U.S. Army Intelligence Agency stated that “mass evaluation was unnecessary” (p. 47). Even the office of Naval Intelligence (NI) as well had stated that there was no evidence of sabotage, espionage and spying on the part of the Japanese Americans residing on the West Coast."

http://www.ijhssnet.com/journals/Vol_2_No_5_March_2012/8.pdf

.

 

[Ravi]

You are babbling. Next text time tell the Japanese that actions have consequences .

 

[Unkotare]

Your comments are unrelated to what has been posted. There is quite a lot of content now to which one might respond if one wants a real discussion.

 

[sealybobo]

"The Roosevelt administration, never much concerned with the document FDR swore four times to “preserve, protect, and defend,” was determined to defend its policies toward Americans of Japanese descent at all costs, even to the point of lying to the highest court in the land. Solicitor General Charles Fahy defended the administration’s policies before the Supreme Court in the cases brought by Hirabayashi and Korematsu. Fahy argued that the curfew and relocation were matters of “military necessity” and “military urgency.” The court bought Fahy’s arguments and upheld Hirabayashi’s and Korematsu’s convictions, thereby declaring the administration’s policies constitutional.

Fast-forward to 2010. In the course of doing research on some immigration cases, Acting Solicitor General Neal Katyal began looking into the World War II internment cases. On May 24, 2011, at a Justice Department event honoring Asian Americans and Pacific Islanders, Katyal revealed the following:

By the time the cases of Gordon Hirabayashi and Fred Korematsu reached the Supreme Court, the Solicitor General had learned of a key intelligence report that undermined the rationale behind the internment. The Ringle Report, from the Office of Naval Intelligence, found that only a small percentage of Japanese Americans posed a potential security threat, and that the most dangerous were already known or in custody. But the Solicitor General did not inform the Court of the report, despite warnings from Department of Justice attorneys that failing to alert the Court “might approximate the suppression of evidence.” Instead, he argued that it was impossible to segregate loyal Japanese Americans from disloyal ones. Nor did he inform the Court that a key set of allegations used to justify the internment, that Japanese Americans were using radio transmitters to communicate with enemy submarines off the West Coast, had been discredited by the FBI and FCC. And to make matters worse, he relied on gross generalizations about Japanese Americans, such as that they were disloyal and motivated by “racial solidarity.”

“It seemed obvious to me that we had made a mistake,” Katyal added. “The duty of candor wasn’t met.”

The Roosevelt Justice Department had done far more than simply make a “mistake.”

“This was a deliberate, knowing lie by Fahy to the Supreme Court,” University of California at San Diego Professor Peter Irons told the Los Angeles Times. In the 1980s, wrote the paper, Irons “had found reports in old government files that showed the U.S. military did not see Japanese Americans as a threat in 1942. His research led to federal court hearings that set aside the convictions of Korematsu and Hirabayashi. Congress later voted to have the nation apologize and pay reparations to those who were wrongly held.”

According to the Times, Katyal said Fahy’s suppression of evidence “harmed the court, and it harmed 120,000 Japanese Americans. It harmed our reputation as lawyers and as human beings, and it harmed our commitment to those words on the court’s building: Equal Justice Under Law.”"


FDR’s Solicitor General Withheld Evidence in Japanese Internment Cases

From your Ringle report:

b) That of the Japanese-born alien residents, the large majority are at least passively loyal to the United States. That is, they would knowingly do nothing what ever to the injury of the United States, but at the same time would not do anything to the injury of Japan. Also, most might well do surreptitious observation work for Japanese interests if given a convenient opportunity.

Moral of the story to Japan: your barbaric behavior ended up hurting you more than it did us.

But the point is why punish innocent Japanese Americans for Japan.

I'm starting to see a pattern here. When Japanese don't act right we react with our gut. We're gonna win and were not gonna chance west coast sabotage. We played it safe.

Black people suffer prejudice because of how black stereotypes act in public. All the news of how blacks are Robbin and stealin and killing, we are going to stereotype.

And if Muslims start suicide bombing we'll start picking on them. Screw political correctness.

The Italians mobs had to be broken up. Right now is Russian mobsters.

And the Mexicans need to be carded. Again, screw pc.

 

[Unkotare]

When Japanese don't act right we react with our gut. ....

"Roger Daniels (1993) revealed that the same day that Executive Order 9066 was signed the U.S. Army Intelligence Agency stated that “mass evaluation was unnecessary” (p. 47). Even the office of Naval Intelligence (NI) as well had stated that there was no evidence of sabotage, espionage and spying on the part of the Japanese Americans residing on the West Coast."

http://www.ijhssnet.com/journals/Vol_2_No_5_March_2012/8.pdf

 

[regent]

When Japanese don't act right we react with our gut. ....

"Roger Daniels (1993) revealed that the same day that Executive Order 9066 was signed the U.S. Army Intelligence Agency stated that “mass evaluation was unnecessary” (p. 47). Even the office of Naval Intelligence (NI) as well had stated that there was no evidence of sabotage, espionage and spying on the part of the Japanese Americans residing on the West Coast."

http://www.ijhssnet.com/journals/Vol_2_No_5_March_2012/8.pdf

Yes, and the commander of the sixth corps area, DeWitt said otherwise, as did the future Chief Justice of the Supreme Court and governor of California. Should FDR listen to the general in charge of the area's security or others? Unfortunately General DeWitt was a Republican and a conservative. also unfortunately FDR listened to the general in charge.

 

[sealybobo]

When Japanese don't act right we react with our gut. ....

"Roger Daniels (1993) revealed that the same day that Executive Order 9066 was signed the U.S. Army Intelligence Agency stated that “mass evaluation was unnecessary” (p. 47). Even the office of Naval Intelligence (NI) as well had stated that there was no evidence of sabotage, espionage and spying on the part of the Japanese Americans residing on the West Coast."

http://www.ijhssnet.com/journals/Vol_2_No_5_March_2012/8.pdf

Roger Daniels? Is he swiftboating fdr's legacy? Who's he? Bet he's a conservative. Bet he gets a fat gov. Pension too. Just bet!

 

[sealybobo]

When Japanese don't act right we react with our gut. ....

"Roger Daniels (1993) revealed that the same day that Executive Order 9066 was signed the U.S. Army Intelligence Agency stated that “mass evaluation was unnecessary” (p. 47). Even the office of Naval Intelligence (NI) as well had stated that there was no evidence of sabotage, espionage and spying on the part of the Japanese Americans residing on the West Coast."

http://www.ijhssnet.com/journals/Vol_2_No_5_March_2012/8.pdf

How did they know? We're they spying on Japanese Americans?

 

[Unkotare]

When Japanese don't act right we react with our gut. ....

"Roger Daniels (1993) revealed that the same day that Executive Order 9066 was signed the U.S. Army Intelligence Agency stated that “mass evaluation was unnecessary” (p. 47). Even the office of Naval Intelligence (NI) as well had stated that there was no evidence of sabotage, espionage and spying on the part of the Japanese Americans residing on the West Coast."

http://www.ijhssnet.com/journals/Vol_2_No_5_March_2012/8.pdf

Yes, and the commander of the sixth corps area, DeWitt said otherwise...

Oh look, you found perhaps the only person involved who may have been MORE motivated by racism than that scumbag fdr.