Men in women's bathrooms

[SassyIrishLass]

I noticed Home Depot has three restrooms now. Men, Women, and Either. I must admit I was curious to see if the either had urinals or if everyone had to squat. I did not check.

Won't help. Trans people don't want separate bathrooms. They want to barge into bathrooms with other people who are uncomfortable and force them to accept the trans worldview. If it's non-confrontational and is a compromise with values they deem verboten, they don't want it.

All part of the forced acceptance of the mental midgets

It would help if transgender people in general were more like the ones at my work. Call center-ish situations are a mecca for people of all kinds of non-standard appearance, and we have quite a few gender-fluid people of all different varieties. Fortunately, none of them are of the in-your-face, I'm-making-a-statement sort, so we're all able to coexist in relative peace and tranquility. They don't make a big deal out of which bathroom they're using, or make other people feel uncomfortable or confronted about it. Generally, they use whichever bathroom conforms either to their equipment, or to whichever sex they most normally appear as. We don't run into problems with someone who looks and dresses male most of the time deciding to wear a dress and makeup one day and head into the ladies' room. (Or deciding to do it without changing mode of dress at all.) For our part, since we're all adults, the rest of us simply make no notice. (Honestly, a lot of them are so androgynous, I couldn't actually tell you what sex they were born, or sometimes even what sex they're claiming now.) Might be different if we had minors around, or bathrooms that are less designed for privacy, or just weren't all in a hurry to go in, do our business, and get out.

Stay away from the children....I don't care what they think they are, I could not care less but keep it away from children

 

[Cecilie1200]

I noticed Home Depot has three restrooms now. Men, Women, and Either. I must admit I was curious to see if the either had urinals or if everyone had to squat. I did not check.

Won't help. Trans people don't want separate bathrooms. They want to barge into bathrooms with other people who are uncomfortable and force them to accept the trans worldview. If it's non-confrontational and is a compromise with values they deem verboten, they don't want it.

All part of the forced acceptance of the mental midgets

It would help if transgender people in general were more like the ones at my work. Call center-ish situations are a mecca for people of all kinds of non-standard appearance, and we have quite a few gender-fluid people of all different varieties. Fortunately, none of them are of the in-your-face, I'm-making-a-statement sort, so we're all able to coexist in relative peace and tranquility. They don't make a big deal out of which bathroom they're using, or make other people feel uncomfortable or confronted about it. Generally, they use whichever bathroom conforms either to their equipment, or to whichever sex they most normally appear as. We don't run into problems with someone who looks and dresses male most of the time deciding to wear a dress and makeup one day and head into the ladies' room. (Or deciding to do it without changing mode of dress at all.) For our part, since we're all adults, the rest of us simply make no notice. (Honestly, a lot of them are so androgynous, I couldn't actually tell you what sex they were born, or sometimes even what sex they're claiming now.) Might be different if we had minors around, or bathrooms that are less designed for privacy, or just weren't all in a hurry to go in, do our business, and get out.

Stay away from the children....I don't care what they think they are, I could not care less but keep it away from children

Yes, well, I rarely take my minor children to public restrooms for a reason. My work, in addition to being all adults, is also a controlled environment, since I actually know all my co-workers, where bathrooms in stores and such are full of God-knows-who.

 

[P@triot]

I noticed Home Depot has three restrooms now. Men, Women, and Either. I must admit I was curious to see if the either had urinals or if everyone had to squat. I did not check.

The ultimate solution is going to be single occupancy only. Because the third option ("either") doesn't solve the problem. Which is, these mentally disturbed, sexually deviant predators want to enter the women's bathroom and will be permitted to do so in progressive states.

If I owned a business, I would immediately convert my restroom facilities to single occupancy only and prevent progressives from preying on woman as they'd like to. It would handcuff them for quite a while (though we do know it is inevitable that they will pass a law which states you may not prevent someone from entering a single occupancy only restroom with you as it is "discriminatory" and "bigoted").

Which is still a huge inconvenience to everyone.

Only to the business owner. Personally, I find a single occupancy way more convenient. I don't like people standing next to me anyway. Would rather have privacy.

 

[Cecilie1200]

I noticed Home Depot has three restrooms now. Men, Women, and Either. I must admit I was curious to see if the either had urinals or if everyone had to squat. I did not check.

The ultimate solution is going to be single occupancy only. Because the third option ("either") doesn't solve the problem. Which is, these mentally disturbed, sexually deviant predators want to enter the women's bathroom and will be permitted to do so in progressive states.

If I owned a business, I would immediately convert my restroom facilities to single occupancy only and prevent progressives from preying on woman as they'd like to. It would handcuff them for quite a while (though we do know it is inevitable that they will pass a law which states you may not prevent someone from entering a single occupancy only restroom with you as it is "discriminatory" and "bigoted").

Which is still a huge inconvenience to everyone.

Only to the business owner. Personally, I find a single occupancy way more convenient. I don't like people standing next to me anyway. Would rather have privacy.

No, it's an inconvenience to the people who need to use the bathroom, and have to wait in line doing the pee-pee dance because there's only the one hole. I love privacy, don't get me wrong, but I also love being able to get to a toilet before it's running down my leg.

 

[P@triot]

No, it's an inconvenience to the people who need to use the bathroom, and have to wait in line doing the pee-pee dance because there's only the one hole. I love privacy, don't get me wrong, but I also love being able to get to a toilet before it's running down my leg.

I think you're confusing single occupancy with single room. You can have any number of single occupancy restrooms that you want. Most I see are at least 3 - 5 rooms.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

OK so your 8 year old daughter is in the women's bathroom washing her hands. A man, who thinks he's a woman, walks in, whips his dick out in front of her, and takes a leak.
OK with you?
If it is, you are one sick piece of shit.
Another wonderful democratic policy to add to their list.
And Bruce Springsteen: Fuck You. Your music sucks and apparently you do too. Pansy Ass worthless POS.
This country is fucked.

Yeah, I've never gotten Bruce Springsteen. Very pedestrian, but people love that shit. Same with U2... I just don't get it.

The guy is an asshole. He cries about taxes but caught with massive amount of land that he filed as "farm land" for tax purposes. The thing was, that prissy Hollywood prima donna wasn't doing any farming on it. He just wanted to hoard more of his wealth for himself instead of spreading it among the people as he claims he wants to do. Such a shame that 2016 didn't take him.

Well, I don't wish death on him.... I just think his music sucks.

 

[The Great Goose]

A man my son knows has recently claimed to be Transgender. He identifies as a lesbian. He says that even stripped to the balls no one can challenge his female identity.

"He identifies as a lesbian."

Yes, can someone explain this weirdness because it's very difficult to get the brain around.

He is a biological male who could have a relationship as he is with a woman, instead he wants to become a woman so he can sleep with women. Why can't he just stay male and sleep with women?

Why can't women just sleep with men?

We do.

Some don't. Wouldn't this boy sleeping with them, save them?

But he's a man who wants to be a woman so he can sleep with women, it's just too bizarro.

Correction. He's a man who wants to be a woman despite of the fact that he wants to sleep with women.

There's a psychological problem with these people, it's a psychological issue, they need to be given the professional help they need to deal with this and not encouraged to chop bits of their anatomy off to become female.

Not really. either it's in them or their circles/family have put it in them.

They can never be female anyhow, they will always be biologically male, the same with women who get a prosthetic dick attached to them, they can never be male, they will always be biologically female.

Some can do a fine imitation of it

Men don't have ovaries and wombs, women have ovaries and wombs, men are XY and women are XX and regardless of whether they have boobies and a prosthetic vagina attached they will for their entire lives remain XY and sans ovaries and womb and regardless of whether they have a prosthetic dick attached they will for their entire lives remain XX and with ovaries and womb.

Some females are born with XY chromosome. Androgen insensitivity syndrome: MedlinePlus Medical Encyclopedia

Some males are born with XXY or XXXY or even XXXXY Klinefelter syndrome

And there is more

True hermaphroditism - Wikipedia


One of the Aliens movies features an all male prison where the inmates all have XYY chromosome. As in the movie, in real life these men are hyper masculine. They are often impulsive and violent.



And it goes on and on.

Some people are just very much like the other sex.


Of course there is a lot of people who change because their mother or wife is a feminist. Maybe you can change, Luce? Just think of it. an operation, some testosterone injections and you can you can be instantly vaulted above the glass ceiling.

First of all, what percentage of the population falls under the heading of those extremely rare genetic conditions? If it's more than 1% for all of them combined, I'll be stunned. So why the disingenuous attempt to pretend THEY are the people we're talking about? Why is it that societal changes that affect millions of people always try to hide behind the smokescreen of a small handful of hard cases?

Also, if gender is the superficial, meaningless, "social construct" that we're told it is, how can someone be "very much like the other sex"? Either men and women really are different, and there are specific criteria for what they are - in which case, one cannot be the other, period - or gender is totally subjective, in which case, there is nothing for them to be "like". You can't have it both ways. Pick one.

Seems to me that a big part of the problem is that people championing gender fluidity are very hung up on superficialities, and instead of recognizing it, they simply assume that everything IS superficial.

First of all, transgender politics is dead. Relax.

Regarding the bolded, exactly, so what are you worried about? And yes they are the people we are talking about. The people with chromosomal conditions don't always "pass" as the gender they choose.

Some of the people who very much like the other sex DO "pass" and therefore receive less daily harassment than those with chromosomal differences.

 

[Rustic]

Someone needs to kick Debbie Schultz out of the men's rooms in Florida…

 

[Rustic]

"He identifies as a lesbian."

Yes, can someone explain this weirdness because it's very difficult to get the brain around.

He is a biological male who could have a relationship as he is with a woman, instead he wants to become a woman so he can sleep with women. Why can't he just stay male and sleep with women?

Why can't women just sleep with men?

We do.

Some don't. Wouldn't this boy sleeping with them, save them?

But he's a man who wants to be a woman so he can sleep with women, it's just too bizarro.

Correction. He's a man who wants to be a woman despite of the fact that he wants to sleep with women.

There's a psychological problem with these people, it's a psychological issue, they need to be given the professional help they need to deal with this and not encouraged to chop bits of their anatomy off to become female.

Not really. either it's in them or their circles/family have put it in them.

They can never be female anyhow, they will always be biologically male, the same with women who get a prosthetic dick attached to them, they can never be male, they will always be biologically female.

Some can do a fine imitation of it

Men don't have ovaries and wombs, women have ovaries and wombs, men are XY and women are XX and regardless of whether they have boobies and a prosthetic vagina attached they will for their entire lives remain XY and sans ovaries and womb and regardless of whether they have a prosthetic dick attached they will for their entire lives remain XX and with ovaries and womb.

Some females are born with XY chromosome. Androgen insensitivity syndrome: MedlinePlus Medical Encyclopedia

Some males are born with XXY or XXXY or even XXXXY Klinefelter syndrome

And there is more

True hermaphroditism - Wikipedia


One of the Aliens movies features an all male prison where the inmates all have XYY chromosome. As in the movie, in real life these men are hyper masculine. They are often impulsive and violent.



And it goes on and on.

Some people are just very much like the other sex.


Of course there is a lot of people who change because their mother or wife is a feminist. Maybe you can change, Luce? Just think of it. an operation, some testosterone injections and you can you can be instantly vaulted above the glass ceiling.

First of all, what percentage of the population falls under the heading of those extremely rare genetic conditions? If it's more than 1% for all of them combined, I'll be stunned. So why the disingenuous attempt to pretend THEY are the people we're talking about? Why is it that societal changes that affect millions of people always try to hide behind the smokescreen of a small handful of hard cases?

Also, if gender is the superficial, meaningless, "social construct" that we're told it is, how can someone be "very much like the other sex"? Either men and women really are different, and there are specific criteria for what they are - in which case, one cannot be the other, period - or gender is totally subjective, in which case, there is nothing for them to be "like". You can't have it both ways. Pick one.

Seems to me that a big part of the problem is that people championing gender fluidity are very hung up on superficialities, and instead of recognizing it, they simply assume that everything IS superficial.

First of all, transgender politics is dead. Relax.

Regarding the bolded, exactly, so what are you worried about? And yes they are the people we are talking about. The people with chromosomal conditions don't always "pass" as the gender they choose.

Some of the people who very much like the other sex DO "pass" and therefore receive less daily harassment than those with chromosomal differences.

I know, you can't help having shit for brains…

 

[The Great Goose]

Are you people talking about people transsexuals or crossdressers?

• Transsexual
• Crossdresser

And I'm not asking with regard to nefarious types who might dress "however" as an affectation adopted specifically to act upon criminal intent. I'm asking with regard to people who are just going about their lives like most everyone else -- working, shopping, hanging out, walking down the street, etc.
​

Why is there so much focus on men who dress as women rather than women who dress as men?

If you're of a mind to take offense at crossdressers, then rationally, you'd take equal offense at women who style themselves to appear as men as with men who style themselves to appear as women. That just doesn't make sense.

Society doesn't seem to find this offensive (woman dressed as a man)

Society finds this offensive (man dressed as a woman)

And don't tell me it has something to do with looking like a man in a dress. I have no idea which of the following female appearing individuals is a woman. I also don't care.

And yet what I see in this thread's posts is haranguing about men in women's bathrooms. Looking at the athletes above, I am hard pressed to know which of them (save the one with the beard) is male/female.
​

Women wearing pants doesn't bother people, but men wearing dresses does.

Again, what's rational about that? It's clear that wearing dresses/skirts and other items that in the west are considered female are not innately gender specific.

And it's obvious that neither small children nor their parents go "ape shit" over seeing body parts attached to live humans. Similarly, nudity itself isn't a problem for young or old people. You cannot possibly think that people raised in the societies pictured here don't at all stages of their lives see male and female genitals being used and not being used.

In looking for studies that examined sexual predation among societies like Yanomamö, Herero and Himba that have not "Westernized" (for want of a better term), I can't find a thing that indicates these people even experience sexual predation of children. Yet it's quite likely that children of all ages in those societies see "body parts" all the time.
​

It's rather hard to conceive that genital squeamishness is a more advanced state of being than not being so. Accordingly, it stands to reason that no child is innately going to "flip out" because they see an adult urinating. That happens when children are taught to think penises and vaginas are "something secret" or untoward.


Now you may wonder why I'd write the comments above. The reason is because this is a political forum. I would expect that people here would at least be very astute about the existential humanity. The human bran works the same whether it develops in New York or Namibia. In this thread's context, that means that the line of argument that intimates or asserts overtly that one's child seeing a man's penis or woman's vagina is somehow distressing is most surprising. How can one engage in social and political discourse, debate, yet also attempt to advance such irrational ideas, ideas that just don't bear out when considered rationally? (I wanted to say "provincial," but I can't because the people who don't have "bathroom issues" literally are provincial in the objective application of that term.) It just doesn't make sense to me that one would talk about issues of humanity and not be really well informed about humanity, not culture, humanity.

• Brief History of Gender Specific Restrooms
• Why not abolish the laws of urinary segregation?

Lastly, I'll point out that insouciance toward "doing one's business" existed in the early days of Western culture. The Romans, for example, had no issue with it. The bathrooms are open to all genders and all ages, so imagine men, women, and children all standing or sitting, doing their business next to one another in an open space. People are discussing business or gossiping to one another while going to the bathroom.

Traditionalism is self defeating. Clearly it's more damaging to tradition for a woman to sex change to a man but traditionalists have the view that a woman is NEVER responsible for her actions so therefore the men changing into women must be focused on.

 

[The Great Goose]

Why can't women just sleep with men?

We do.

Some don't. Wouldn't this boy sleeping with them, save them?

But he's a man who wants to be a woman so he can sleep with women, it's just too bizarro.

Correction. He's a man who wants to be a woman despite of the fact that he wants to sleep with women.

There's a psychological problem with these people, it's a psychological issue, they need to be given the professional help they need to deal with this and not encouraged to chop bits of their anatomy off to become female.

Not really. either it's in them or their circles/family have put it in them.

They can never be female anyhow, they will always be biologically male, the same with women who get a prosthetic dick attached to them, they can never be male, they will always be biologically female.

Some can do a fine imitation of it

Men don't have ovaries and wombs, women have ovaries and wombs, men are XY and women are XX and regardless of whether they have boobies and a prosthetic vagina attached they will for their entire lives remain XY and sans ovaries and womb and regardless of whether they have a prosthetic dick attached they will for their entire lives remain XX and with ovaries and womb.

Some females are born with XY chromosome. Androgen insensitivity syndrome: MedlinePlus Medical Encyclopedia

Some males are born with XXY or XXXY or even XXXXY Klinefelter syndrome

And there is more

True hermaphroditism - Wikipedia


One of the Aliens movies features an all male prison where the inmates all have XYY chromosome. As in the movie, in real life these men are hyper masculine. They are often impulsive and violent.



And it goes on and on.

Some people are just very much like the other sex.


Of course there is a lot of people who change because their mother or wife is a feminist. Maybe you can change, Luce? Just think of it. an operation, some testosterone injections and you can you can be instantly vaulted above the glass ceiling.

First of all, what percentage of the population falls under the heading of those extremely rare genetic conditions? If it's more than 1% for all of them combined, I'll be stunned. So why the disingenuous attempt to pretend THEY are the people we're talking about? Why is it that societal changes that affect millions of people always try to hide behind the smokescreen of a small handful of hard cases?

Also, if gender is the superficial, meaningless, "social construct" that we're told it is, how can someone be "very much like the other sex"? Either men and women really are different, and there are specific criteria for what they are - in which case, one cannot be the other, period - or gender is totally subjective, in which case, there is nothing for them to be "like". You can't have it both ways. Pick one.

Seems to me that a big part of the problem is that people championing gender fluidity are very hung up on superficialities, and instead of recognizing it, they simply assume that everything IS superficial.

First of all, transgender politics is dead. Relax.

Regarding the bolded, exactly, so what are you worried about? And yes they are the people we are talking about. The people with chromosomal conditions don't always "pass" as the gender they choose.

Some of the people who very much like the other sex DO "pass" and therefore receive less daily harassment than those with chromosomal differences.

I know, you can't help having shit for brains…

It's mush not shit!

 

[The Great Goose]

I noticed Home Depot has three restrooms now. Men, Women, and Either. I must admit I was curious to see if the either had urinals or if everyone had to squat. I did not check.

The ultimate solution is going to be single occupancy only. Because the third option ("either") doesn't solve the problem. Which is, these mentally disturbed, sexually deviant predators want to enter the women's bathroom and will be permitted to do so in progressive states.

If I owned a business, I would immediately convert my restroom facilities to single occupancy only and prevent progressives from preying on woman as they'd like to. It would handcuff them for quite a while (though we do know it is inevitable that they will pass a law which states you may not prevent someone from entering a single occupancy only restroom with you as it is "discriminatory" and "bigoted").

Which is still a huge inconvenience to everyone.

Only to the business owner. Personally, I find a single occupancy way more convenient. I don't like people standing next to me anyway. Would rather have privacy.

No, it's an inconvenience to the people who need to use the bathroom, and have to wait in line doing the pee-pee dance because there's only the one hole. I love privacy, don't get me wrong, but I also love being able to get to a toilet before it's running down my leg.

How can you stand it.

 

[usmbguest5318]

Trans people .... want to barge into bathrooms with other people who are uncomfortable and force them to accept the trans worldview. If it's non-confrontational and is a compromise with values they deem verboten, they don't want it.

1. What restroom man who's been, as much as possible, medically/surgically made to outwardly look like a woman (trans man) and who dresses as such go to? Why?
   • If he goes to the men's room, he appears to be a woman going to the men's restroom. Would that not be uncomfortable for some non-trans males as well as for the trans-male?
   • If he goes to the ladies room, he appears to be a woman going to the ladies room. How is anyone to know that he was a man to begin with if he does this? What's there to be uncomfortable about?
2. What restroom woman who's been, as much as possible, medically/surgically made to outwardly look like a man (trans woman) and who dresses as such go to? Why?
   • (Same thoughts as above...replace "man" with "woman.")

 

[P@triot]

OK so your 8 year old daughter is in the women's bathroom washing her hands. A man, who thinks he's a woman, walks in, whips his dick out in front of her, and takes a leak.
OK with you?
If it is, you are one sick piece of shit.
Another wonderful democratic policy to add to their list.
And Bruce Springsteen: Fuck You. Your music sucks and apparently you do too. Pansy Ass worthless POS.
This country is fucked.

Yeah, I've never gotten Bruce Springsteen. Very pedestrian, but people love that shit. Same with U2... I just don't get it.

The guy is an asshole. He cries about taxes but caught with massive amount of land that he filed as "farm land" for tax purposes. The thing was, that prissy Hollywood prima donna wasn't doing any farming on it. He just wanted to hoard more of his wealth for himself instead of spreading it among the people as he claims he wants to do. Such a shame that 2016 didn't take him.

Well, I don't wish death on him.... I just think his music sucks.

I hate hypocrites. There is nothing that pisses me off more than someone who preaches communism while hoarding wealth. I can't stand an asshole that says we need higher taxes and then creates false tax shelters to hoard his millions. I do wish on death on his disgusting ass.

 

[gtopa1]

Progressives continue to deny science, biology, reality, etc.

"The assault on science, reason, masculinity, and femininity continues to gain steam."

Matt Walsh: Dads, we can’t expect our sons to become real men if we don’t teach them how

Spot on!!!

Greg

 

[Slyhunter]

Simple solutions separate the dicks and the pussies into separate rooms regardless of gender.

 

[Silhouette]

Simple solutions separate the dicks and the pussies into separate rooms regardless of gender.

Agreed, as long as the rider is that any doctor performing amputation on the mentally ill (those unable to confront what's between their legs on its own terms: DSM insanity defined) to cure a mental problem will be thrown in prison for life.

That pretty much solves the problem all around.

 

[Cecilie1200]

No, it's an inconvenience to the people who need to use the bathroom, and have to wait in line doing the pee-pee dance because there's only the one hole. I love privacy, don't get me wrong, but I also love being able to get to a toilet before it's running down my leg.

I think you're confusing single occupancy with single room. You can have any number of single occupancy restrooms that you want. Most I see are at least 3 - 5 rooms.

I have never seen a place of business that didn't either have a room for each sex (Yes, leftists, there ARE only two of those) with multiple stalls, or a single room for each sex (Still only two, leftists), and maybe a third specifically for handicapped people.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Are you people talking about people transsexuals or crossdressers?

• Transsexual
• Crossdresser

And I'm not asking with regard to nefarious types who might dress "however" as an affectation adopted specifically to act upon criminal intent. I'm asking with regard to people who are just going about their lives like most everyone else -- working, shopping, hanging out, walking down the street, etc.
​

Why is there so much focus on men who dress as women rather than women who dress as men?

If you're of a mind to take offense at crossdressers, then rationally, you'd take equal offense at women who style themselves to appear as men as with men who style themselves to appear as women. That just doesn't make sense.

Society doesn't seem to find this offensive (woman dressed as a man)

Society finds this offensive (man dressed as a woman)

And don't tell me it has something to do with looking like a man in a dress. I have no idea which of the following female appearing individuals is a woman. I also don't care.

And yet what I see in this thread's posts is haranguing about men in women's bathrooms. Looking at the athletes above, I am hard pressed to know which of them (save the one with the beard) is male/female.
​

Women wearing pants doesn't bother people, but men wearing dresses does.

Again, what's rational about that? It's clear that wearing dresses/skirts and other items that in the west are considered female are not innately gender specific.

And it's obvious that neither small children nor their parents go "ape shit" over seeing body parts attached to live humans. Similarly, nudity itself isn't a problem for young or old people. You cannot possibly think that people raised in the societies pictured here don't at all stages of their lives see male and female genitals being used and not being used.

In looking for studies that examined sexual predation among societies like Yanomamö, Herero and Himba that have not "Westernized" (for want of a better term), I can't find a thing that indicates these people even experience sexual predation of children. Yet it's quite likely that children of all ages in those societies see "body parts" all the time.
​

It's rather hard to conceive that genital squeamishness is a more advanced state of being than not being so. Accordingly, it stands to reason that no child is innately going to "flip out" because they see an adult urinating. That happens when children are taught to think penises and vaginas are "something secret" or untoward.


Now you may wonder why I'd write the comments above. The reason is because this is a political forum. I would expect that people here would at least be very astute about the existential humanity. The human bran works the same whether it develops in New York or Namibia. In this thread's context, that means that the line of argument that intimates or asserts overtly that one's child seeing a man's penis or woman's vagina is somehow distressing is most surprising. How can one engage in social and political discourse, debate, yet also attempt to advance such irrational ideas, ideas that just don't bear out when considered rationally? (I wanted to say "provincial," but I can't because the people who don't have "bathroom issues" literally are provincial in the objective application of that term.) It just doesn't make sense to me that one would talk about issues of humanity and not be really well informed about humanity, not culture, humanity.

• Brief History of Gender Specific Restrooms
• Why not abolish the laws of urinary segregation?

Lastly, I'll point out that insouciance toward "doing one's business" existed in the early days of Western culture. The Romans, for example, had no issue with it. The bathrooms are open to all genders and all ages, so imagine men, women, and children all standing or sitting, doing their business next to one another in an open space. People are discussing business or gossiping to one another while going to the bathroom.

Traditionalism is self defeating. Clearly it's more damaging to tradition for a woman to sex change to a man but traditionalists have the view that a woman is NEVER responsible for her actions so therefore the men changing into women must be focused on.

On a more practical note, sexual predators are overwhelmingly male, which means the likelihood of a male predator feigning transgenderism to gain access to victims is much higher than the reverse.

 

[usmbguest5318]

Are you people talking about people transsexuals or crossdressers?

• Transsexual
• Crossdresser

And I'm not asking with regard to nefarious types who might dress "however" as an affectation adopted specifically to act upon criminal intent. I'm asking with regard to people who are just going about their lives like most everyone else -- working, shopping, hanging out, walking down the street, etc.
​

Why is there so much focus on men who dress as women rather than women who dress as men?

If you're of a mind to take offense at crossdressers, then rationally, you'd take equal offense at women who style themselves to appear as men as with men who style themselves to appear as women. That just doesn't make sense.

Society doesn't seem to find this offensive (woman dressed as a man)

Society finds this offensive (man dressed as a woman)

And don't tell me it has something to do with looking like a man in a dress. I have no idea which of the following female appearing individuals is a woman. I also don't care.

And yet what I see in this thread's posts is haranguing about men in women's bathrooms. Looking at the athletes above, I am hard pressed to know which of them (save the one with the beard) is male/female.
​

Women wearing pants doesn't bother people, but men wearing dresses does.

Again, what's rational about that? It's clear that wearing dresses/skirts and other items that in the west are considered female are not innately gender specific.

And it's obvious that neither small children nor their parents go "ape shit" over seeing body parts attached to live humans. Similarly, nudity itself isn't a problem for young or old people. You cannot possibly think that people raised in the societies pictured here don't at all stages of their lives see male and female genitals being used and not being used.

In looking for studies that examined sexual predation among societies like Yanomamö, Herero and Himba that have not "Westernized" (for want of a better term), I can't find a thing that indicates these people even experience sexual predation of children. Yet it's quite likely that children of all ages in those societies see "body parts" all the time.
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It's rather hard to conceive that genital squeamishness is a more advanced state of being than not being so. Accordingly, it stands to reason that no child is innately going to "flip out" because they see an adult urinating. That happens when children are taught to think penises and vaginas are "something secret" or untoward.


Now you may wonder why I'd write the comments above. The reason is because this is a political forum. I would expect that people here would at least be very astute about the existential humanity. The human bran works the same whether it develops in New York or Namibia. In this thread's context, that means that the line of argument that intimates or asserts overtly that one's child seeing a man's penis or woman's vagina is somehow distressing is most surprising. How can one engage in social and political discourse, debate, yet also attempt to advance such irrational ideas, ideas that just don't bear out when considered rationally? (I wanted to say "provincial," but I can't because the people who don't have "bathroom issues" literally are provincial in the objective application of that term.) It just doesn't make sense to me that one would talk about issues of humanity and not be really well informed about humanity, not culture, humanity.

• Brief History of Gender Specific Restrooms
• Why not abolish the laws of urinary segregation?

Lastly, I'll point out that insouciance toward "doing one's business" existed in the early days of Western culture. The Romans, for example, had no issue with it. The bathrooms are open to all genders and all ages, so imagine men, women, and children all standing or sitting, doing their business next to one another in an open space. People are discussing business or gossiping to one another while going to the bathroom.

Traditionalism is self defeating. Clearly it's more damaging to tradition for a woman to sex change to a man but traditionalists have the view that a woman is NEVER responsible for her actions so therefore the men changing into women must be focused on.

On a more practical note, sexual predators are overwhelmingly male, which means the likelihood of a male predator feigning transgenderism to gain access to victims is much higher than the reverse.

So am I right to infer that your objections accrue from disquietude over the risk that the M-->F transin the ladies room may be a sexual predator instead of merely a law abiding person who is trans?