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The only tactical error he made was giving Brown the benefit of the doubt which resulted in him reaching into the truck and going for his gun. He was lucky to survive that and in the end fixed the problem by killing Brown.No, that's bullshit. Wilson wasn't escalating anything he was doing his damn job. The job of stopping people that keep making bad decisions and escalating the situation until they either stop making bad decisions or get killed for their actions. Wilson had what? Six years of experience? Show me a cop that wouldn't shoot that pile of crap and I'll simply take you to the grave of an officer killed in the line of duty thinking they would just arrest the guyNot true. I just don't believe the only solution was to escalate the situation up to and including killing the guy. Brown's fault, yes. But swap out Wilson with a seasoned cop and that boy is sitting in jail, not the morgue.You're still putting all of the events on Wilson. The easiest way and the first of a series of bad decisions began with Brown. He could have not robbed the store, he could have not been in the middle of the street, he could not have attacked Wilson in the truck, he could not have ran, he could not have turned back to attack. The majority if not all of these decisions to make weren't up to Wilson they were up to Brown. Brown made all of the wrong decisions yet you think you can twist it to justify an entire string of his failure to think and put it on Wilson for making one decision, and the correct one with all the evidence and that was to shoot the bastard dead.Sure it can. Killing someone is not the only way. It's just the easiest way.
Nothing that happened that day was Wilson's fault. None of it. Brown was in control and he controlled his dumb ass into an early grave. We are lucky Wilson did his job as he was paid and trained to do.
I'm going to disagree with you there. Wilson made SEVERAL tactical errors that day. That doesn't make him culpable in Brown's death, but he definitely made some errors.
Fleeing while running backward? WTF?He shot him while he was fleeing.He started out fleeing and was shot at by the cop.Why was the cop shooting a fleeing suspect? It's not like the guy had killed anyone or was thought to be a danger to the community.What part of he ran away before he turned and charged the cop that was chasing him is confusing you big guy? I'm reading from Wilson's testimony. Should I be reading from some other testimony?
at that point he wasn't fleeing idiot he was charging Wilson
Please answer the question instead of deflecting.
A) In this particular case Wilson did NOT shoot at him until after he stopped fleeing and had charged Wilson
B) In either case, Missouri law would allow a cop to shoot a fleeing felon in the back anyway
Why in the world do yall have to lie about these things? There is no point.
Have you read the GJ report? No, of course you haven't.
So he should have been fired.No, that's bullshit. Wilson wasn't escalating anything he was doing his damn job. The job of stopping people that keep making bad decisions and escalating the situation until they either stop making bad decisions or get killed for their actions. Wilson had what? Six years of experience? Show me a cop that wouldn't shoot that pile of crap and I'll simply take you to the grave of an officer killed in the line of duty thinking they would just arrest the guyNot true. I just don't believe the only solution was to escalate the situation up to and including killing the guy. Brown's fault, yes. But swap out Wilson with a seasoned cop and that boy is sitting in jail, not the morgue.You're still putting all of the events on Wilson. The easiest way and the first of a series of bad decisions began with Brown. He could have not robbed the store, he could have not been in the middle of the street, he could not have attacked Wilson in the truck, he could not have ran, he could not have turned back to attack. The majority if not all of these decisions to make weren't up to Wilson they were up to Brown. Brown made all of the wrong decisions yet you think you can twist it to justify an entire string of his failure to think and put it on Wilson for making one decision, and the correct one with all the evidence and that was to shoot the bastard dead.Sure it can. Killing someone is not the only way. It's just the easiest way.
Nothing that happened that day was Wilson's fault. None of it. Brown was in control and he controlled his dumb ass into an early grave. We are lucky Wilson did his job as he was paid and trained to do.
I'm going to disagree with you there. Wilson made SEVERAL tactical errors that day. That doesn't make him culpable in Brown's death, but he definitely made some errors.
Stealing cigars shouldn't be a death sentence. And cops are trained to not pull their guns unless they use them, so I would have tried to stop him from using it.The why is obvious.. the kid had robbed someone, cursed at him, punched him fought over his gun, and was now fleeing. I don't blame him for shooting at the kid. But just as the lady asked the question.. why does that kid keep coming doesn't he know he's gonna get killed... One also has to ask the question ... why does the cop need to put the last two in the brain, this after putting two in the guys chest. Heat of the moment? The kid was unarmed and shot six times before the two to the head. I suppose that's the part I just don't get. The last two to the head.Why was the cop shooting a fleeing suspect? It's not like the guy had killed anyone or was thought to be a danger to the community.What part of he ran away before he turned and charged the cop that was chasing him is confusing you big guy? I'm reading from Wilson's testimony. Should I be reading from some other testimony?Who said no threat. The point to the 150' thing was that the boy was trying to escape. It wasn't till the cop got out of the car and began chasing/shooting that Brown decided eff it if I'm gonna die I'm gonna die facing my killer. If he wanted to kill Wilson he would've done it while he was in the car not by "charging" him in some dumb as suicide by cop routine.
What a load of shit. He turned and charged the cop. Wilson's testimony says that. Credible eyewitness testimony says that, the EVIDENCE says that
He was TEN feet from Wilson when he died. TEN FEET , and had been hit MULTIPLE times. He was trying to escape alright, by killing the cop.
Stealing cigars shouldn't be a death sentence. And cops are trained to not pull their guns unless they use them, so I would have tried to stop him from using it.The why is obvious.. the kid had robbed someone, cursed at him, punched him fought over his gun, and was now fleeing. I don't blame him for shooting at the kid. But just as the lady asked the question.. why does that kid keep coming doesn't he know he's gonna get killed... One also has to ask the question ... why does the cop need to put the last two in the brain, this after putting two in the guys chest. Heat of the moment? The kid was unarmed and shot six times before the two to the head. I suppose that's the part I just don't get. The last two to the head.Why was the cop shooting a fleeing suspect? It's not like the guy had killed anyone or was thought to be a danger to the community.What part of he ran away before he turned and charged the cop that was chasing him is confusing you big guy? I'm reading from Wilson's testimony. Should I be reading from some other testimony?What a load of shit. He turned and charged the cop. Wilson's testimony says that. Credible eyewitness testimony says that, the EVIDENCE says that
He was TEN feet from Wilson when he died. TEN FEET , and had been hit MULTIPLE times. He was trying to escape alright, by killing the cop.
He wasn't shot for stealing cigars..
He lived through that mistake. Brown didn't survive his mistakes. Justice was served.The only tactical error he made was giving Brown the benefit of the doubt which resulted in him reaching into the truck and going for his gun. He was lucky to survive that and in the end fixed the problem by killing Brown.No, that's bullshit. Wilson wasn't escalating anything he was doing his damn job. The job of stopping people that keep making bad decisions and escalating the situation until they either stop making bad decisions or get killed for their actions. Wilson had what? Six years of experience? Show me a cop that wouldn't shoot that pile of crap and I'll simply take you to the grave of an officer killed in the line of duty thinking they would just arrest the guyNot true. I just don't believe the only solution was to escalate the situation up to and including killing the guy. Brown's fault, yes. But swap out Wilson with a seasoned cop and that boy is sitting in jail, not the morgue.You're still putting all of the events on Wilson. The easiest way and the first of a series of bad decisions began with Brown. He could have not robbed the store, he could have not been in the middle of the street, he could not have attacked Wilson in the truck, he could not have ran, he could not have turned back to attack. The majority if not all of these decisions to make weren't up to Wilson they were up to Brown. Brown made all of the wrong decisions yet you think you can twist it to justify an entire string of his failure to think and put it on Wilson for making one decision, and the correct one with all the evidence and that was to shoot the bastard dead.
Nothing that happened that day was Wilson's fault. None of it. Brown was in control and he controlled his dumb ass into an early grave. We are lucky Wilson did his job as he was paid and trained to do.
I'm going to disagree with you there. Wilson made SEVERAL tactical errors that day. That doesn't make him culpable in Brown's death, but he definitely made some errors.
Tactical error 1.
When you are on solo patrol and encounter a suspect on foot. You approach that suspect ON FOOT. You do not give a suspect the tactical advantage of freedom of movement while you yourself are restricted inside a car.
It should be if it results in death.So he should have been fired.No, that's bullshit. Wilson wasn't escalating anything he was doing his damn job. The job of stopping people that keep making bad decisions and escalating the situation until they either stop making bad decisions or get killed for their actions. Wilson had what? Six years of experience? Show me a cop that wouldn't shoot that pile of crap and I'll simply take you to the grave of an officer killed in the line of duty thinking they would just arrest the guyNot true. I just don't believe the only solution was to escalate the situation up to and including killing the guy. Brown's fault, yes. But swap out Wilson with a seasoned cop and that boy is sitting in jail, not the morgue.You're still putting all of the events on Wilson. The easiest way and the first of a series of bad decisions began with Brown. He could have not robbed the store, he could have not been in the middle of the street, he could not have attacked Wilson in the truck, he could not have ran, he could not have turned back to attack. The majority if not all of these decisions to make weren't up to Wilson they were up to Brown. Brown made all of the wrong decisions yet you think you can twist it to justify an entire string of his failure to think and put it on Wilson for making one decision, and the correct one with all the evidence and that was to shoot the bastard dead.
Nothing that happened that day was Wilson's fault. None of it. Brown was in control and he controlled his dumb ass into an early grave. We are lucky Wilson did his job as he was paid and trained to do.
I'm going to disagree with you there. Wilson made SEVERAL tactical errors that day. That doesn't make him culpable in Brown's death, but he definitely made some errors.
As far as I know , it isn't routine to fire police officers who make tactical errors.
Oh, so Wilson lied?Stealing cigars shouldn't be a death sentence. And cops are trained to not pull their guns unless they use them, so I would have tried to stop him from using it.The why is obvious.. the kid had robbed someone, cursed at him, punched him fought over his gun, and was now fleeing. I don't blame him for shooting at the kid. But just as the lady asked the question.. why does that kid keep coming doesn't he know he's gonna get killed... One also has to ask the question ... why does the cop need to put the last two in the brain, this after putting two in the guys chest. Heat of the moment? The kid was unarmed and shot six times before the two to the head. I suppose that's the part I just don't get. The last two to the head.Why was the cop shooting a fleeing suspect? It's not like the guy had killed anyone or was thought to be a danger to the community.What part of he ran away before he turned and charged the cop that was chasing him is confusing you big guy? I'm reading from Wilson's testimony. Should I be reading from some other testimony?What a load of shit. He turned and charged the cop. Wilson's testimony says that. Credible eyewitness testimony says that, the EVIDENCE says that
He was TEN feet from Wilson when he died. TEN FEET , and had been hit MULTIPLE times. He was trying to escape alright, by killing the cop.
He wasn't shot for stealing cigars..
He lived through that mistake. Brown didn't survive his mistakes. Justice was served.The only tactical error he made was giving Brown the benefit of the doubt which resulted in him reaching into the truck and going for his gun. He was lucky to survive that and in the end fixed the problem by killing Brown.No, that's bullshit. Wilson wasn't escalating anything he was doing his damn job. The job of stopping people that keep making bad decisions and escalating the situation until they either stop making bad decisions or get killed for their actions. Wilson had what? Six years of experience? Show me a cop that wouldn't shoot that pile of crap and I'll simply take you to the grave of an officer killed in the line of duty thinking they would just arrest the guyNot true. I just don't believe the only solution was to escalate the situation up to and including killing the guy. Brown's fault, yes. But swap out Wilson with a seasoned cop and that boy is sitting in jail, not the morgue.
Nothing that happened that day was Wilson's fault. None of it. Brown was in control and he controlled his dumb ass into an early grave. We are lucky Wilson did his job as he was paid and trained to do.
I'm going to disagree with you there. Wilson made SEVERAL tactical errors that day. That doesn't make him culpable in Brown's death, but he definitely made some errors.
Tactical error 1.
When you are on solo patrol and encounter a suspect on foot. You approach that suspect ON FOOT. You do not give a suspect the tactical advantage of freedom of movement while you yourself are restricted inside a car.
Bullshit.Mike you see the last few posts Ravi has made and see why it's so hard to take anyone who complains about Wilson's actions seriously don't you? She's made 3 posts and all 3 of them have contained lies.
He assaulted a cop he was not fleeing, go figure you would ignore the facts.Why was the cop shooting a fleeing suspect? It's not like the guy had killed anyone or was thought to be a danger to the community.What part of he ran away before he turned and charged the cop that was chasing him is confusing you big guy? I'm reading from Wilson's testimony. Should I be reading from some other testimony?Who said no threat. The point to the 150' thing was that the boy was trying to escape. It wasn't till the cop got out of the car and began chasing/shooting that Brown decided eff it if I'm gonna die I'm gonna die facing my killer. If he wanted to kill Wilson he would've done it while he was in the car not by "charging" him in some dumb as suicide by cop routine.That was my point. He was first shot in the car so this 148' and no threat thing is bullshit.When the first shot went off they were both in the car.
What a load of shit. He turned and charged the cop. Wilson's testimony says that. Credible eyewitness testimony says that, the EVIDENCE says that
He was TEN feet from Wilson when he died. TEN FEET , and had been hit MULTIPLE times. He was trying to escape alright, by killing the cop.
I can think of a hundred different solutions. So yes using a service revolver to execute an unarmed belligerent, that's the easy way. Preferred...? Well it's hard to argue that wasn't his choice since it's the one he made. Unless of course you are gonna tell me that was the cop's only choice. But remember I don't believe in the no -win and I don't mind getting in a scrap. Just having the gun seems to reduce one's options. Hmm.. maybe that's why the British pulled service revolvers from standard issue.Sure it can. Killing someone is not the only way. It's just the easiest way.Do you know what you're trying to say because at this point I don't. You seem to be equating the kid wasn't innocent yet somehow the cop is guilty for stopping him in his tracks. It can't go both ways.Who said he was a poor innocent kid? Not me.
Do you really think killing that kid was "the easy way?" Only a friggin sociopath would preferred killing him to some other ending.
But you're forgetting one thing Mike, Wilson had already been beat down once by Brown, there's no doubt that he wasn't capable of taking him on in hand to hand combat. Your, or I. Another matter entirely, but Wilson obviously was in no condition to fight at that point.
And for a LEO, it isn't about being willing to fight anyway, it's about stopping a criminal as quickly and safely as possible.
I'm not arguing that shooting him was the safest, quickest way to end things, I'm merely saying that we don't ask our cops to "be willing to get in a fight" , especially with a person who has already kicked their ass once.
Life isn't Walker Texas Ranger. Not every cop walkin around has a black belt and only carries a gun as a fashion statement.
Oh, so Wilson lied?Stealing cigars shouldn't be a death sentence. And cops are trained to not pull their guns unless they use them, so I would have tried to stop him from using it.The why is obvious.. the kid had robbed someone, cursed at him, punched him fought over his gun, and was now fleeing. I don't blame him for shooting at the kid. But just as the lady asked the question.. why does that kid keep coming doesn't he know he's gonna get killed... One also has to ask the question ... why does the cop need to put the last two in the brain, this after putting two in the guys chest. Heat of the moment? The kid was unarmed and shot six times before the two to the head. I suppose that's the part I just don't get. The last two to the head.Why was the cop shooting a fleeing suspect? It's not like the guy had killed anyone or was thought to be a danger to the community.What part of he ran away before he turned and charged the cop that was chasing him is confusing you big guy? I'm reading from Wilson's testimony. Should I be reading from some other testimony?
He wasn't shot for stealing cigars..
No you're not if you think a fucking leg shot is your best option in a life threatening situation. What fucking self defense classes and training have you ever had that tell you to shoot legs not center mass? Because whatever training you got from those people is the dumbest fucking thing you ever wasted your money and time on .Yes. As stated, I'm quite proficient with most weapons.You watch too many fucking movies. Have you ever even shot a fucking gun? You're pissing me off now with this stupid shit.One to the leg would've slowed him down a lot more than the arm & graze shots did. It sounds like the last 4 were two to the chest and two to the head. This from some of the witnesses that said he didn't move after the last four shots that came at the very end.I'm saying if he was not able to arrest him, he should have placed a vehicle between him and brown. And talked the situation down. If that takes running a few feet to save the guys life then yes.Are you saying Wilson should have turned and ran when Brown charged him?
Frankly, if 6 bullets didn't "talk the guy down" nothing was going to .
He assaulted a cop he was not fleeing, go figure you would ignore the facts.Why was the cop shooting a fleeing suspect? It's not like the guy had killed anyone or was thought to be a danger to the community.What part of he ran away before he turned and charged the cop that was chasing him is confusing you big guy? I'm reading from Wilson's testimony. Should I be reading from some other testimony?Who said no threat. The point to the 150' thing was that the boy was trying to escape. It wasn't till the cop got out of the car and began chasing/shooting that Brown decided eff it if I'm gonna die I'm gonna die facing my killer. If he wanted to kill Wilson he would've done it while he was in the car not by "charging" him in some dumb as suicide by cop routine.That was my point. He was first shot in the car so this 148' and no threat thing is bullshit.
What a load of shit. He turned and charged the cop. Wilson's testimony says that. Credible eyewitness testimony says that, the EVIDENCE says that
He was TEN feet from Wilson when he died. TEN FEET , and had been hit MULTIPLE times. He was trying to escape alright, by killing the cop.
Yes. As stated, I'm quite proficient with most weapons.You watch too many fucking movies. Have you ever even shot a fucking gun? You're pissing me off now with this stupid shit.One to the leg would've slowed him down a lot more than the arm & graze shots did. It sounds like the last 4 were two to the chest and two to the head. This from some of the witnesses that said he didn't move after the last four shots that came at the very end.I'm saying if he was not able to arrest him, he should have placed a vehicle between him and brown. And talked the situation down. If that takes running a few feet to save the guys life then yes.Are you saying Wilson should have turned and ran when Brown charged him?
Frankly, if 6 bullets didn't "talk the guy down" nothing was going to .
Oh, so Wilson lied?Stealing cigars shouldn't be a death sentence. And cops are trained to not pull their guns unless they use them, so I would have tried to stop him from using it.The why is obvious.. the kid had robbed someone, cursed at him, punched him fought over his gun, and was now fleeing. I don't blame him for shooting at the kid. But just as the lady asked the question.. why does that kid keep coming doesn't he know he's gonna get killed... One also has to ask the question ... why does the cop need to put the last two in the brain, this after putting two in the guys chest. Heat of the moment? The kid was unarmed and shot six times before the two to the head. I suppose that's the part I just don't get. The last two to the head.Why was the cop shooting a fleeing suspect? It's not like the guy had killed anyone or was thought to be a danger to the community.What part of he ran away before he turned and charged the cop that was chasing him is confusing you big guy? I'm reading from Wilson's testimony. Should I be reading from some other testimony?
He wasn't shot for stealing cigars..
LMAO At nearly 150 feet away from the officer? Interesting.Yes. As stated, I'm quite proficient with most weapons.You watch too many fucking movies. Have you ever even shot a fucking gun? You're pissing me off now with this stupid shit.One to the leg would've slowed him down a lot more than the arm & graze shots did. It sounds like the last 4 were two to the chest and two to the head. This from some of the witnesses that said he didn't move after the last four shots that came at the very end.I'm saying if he was not able to arrest him, he should have placed a vehicle between him and brown. And talked the situation down. If that takes running a few feet to save the guys life then yes.
Frankly, if 6 bullets didn't "talk the guy down" nothing was going to .Oh, so Wilson lied?Stealing cigars shouldn't be a death sentence. And cops are trained to not pull their guns unless they use them, so I would have tried to stop him from using it.The why is obvious.. the kid had robbed someone, cursed at him, punched him fought over his gun, and was now fleeing. I don't blame him for shooting at the kid. But just as the lady asked the question.. why does that kid keep coming doesn't he know he's gonna get killed... One also has to ask the question ... why does the cop need to put the last two in the brain, this after putting two in the guys chest. Heat of the moment? The kid was unarmed and shot six times before the two to the head. I suppose that's the part I just don't get. The last two to the head.Why was the cop shooting a fleeing suspect? It's not like the guy had killed anyone or was thought to be a danger to the community.
He wasn't shot for stealing cigars..
Brown was shot while assaulting a police officer..simple as that.
LMAO At nearly 150 feet away from the officer? Interesting.Yes. As stated, I'm quite proficient with most weapons.You watch too many fucking movies. Have you ever even shot a fucking gun? You're pissing me off now with this stupid shit.One to the leg would've slowed him down a lot more than the arm & graze shots did. It sounds like the last 4 were two to the chest and two to the head. This from some of the witnesses that said he didn't move after the last four shots that came at the very end.Frankly, if 6 bullets didn't "talk the guy down" nothing was going to .Oh, so Wilson lied?Stealing cigars shouldn't be a death sentence. And cops are trained to not pull their guns unless they use them, so I would have tried to stop him from using it.The why is obvious.. the kid had robbed someone, cursed at him, punched him fought over his gun, and was now fleeing. I don't blame him for shooting at the kid. But just as the lady asked the question.. why does that kid keep coming doesn't he know he's gonna get killed... One also has to ask the question ... why does the cop need to put the last two in the brain, this after putting two in the guys chest. Heat of the moment? The kid was unarmed and shot six times before the two to the head. I suppose that's the part I just don't get. The last two to the head.
He wasn't shot for stealing cigars..
Brown was shot while assaulting a police officer..simple as that.
