Michael Cohen - Why Am I Supposed To Care?

[RealDave]

So Michael Cohen is testifying before Congress, and leftists everywhere are wetting their frillies over it . . . and for the life of me, I can't figure out what he was expected to say or has said that I'm actually supposed to give much of a damn about, or why.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but he doesn't seem to have come up with any smoking guns about impeachable offenses or even particularly criminal ones, unless you have a serious hard-on for really nitpicky campaign finance stuff. Mostly, he seems to be spending a lot of time convincing us that Trump is a crappy person. First, that's not really news; and second, what's your point? Is anyone really expecting us to put the country through a torturous, expensive impeachment proceeding over "I've heard him say black people are stupid"?

Of course you don't see anything to be concerned about. You like it when people lie to you. You like it when laws are broken. You like an amoral, liar & cheat to run our country.

He hasn't let any US Ambassadors get Murdered , or given 150,000,000,000 to our enemies so there's that. And you shouldn't talk about Bill Clinton Like that he hasn't been president for a long time, and Hillary never will be.

So, Obama knew that the Ambassador was going to get killed and did nothing? You are pathetic.

The money was Iran's.

And like a little snot nosed spoiled brat your excuse for Trump is " but but butr....Obama did this and Hillary did that and and and" What are you, 8 years old?

Trump is a liar. He lies every day. He broke campaign finance laws. He accepts personal foreign payments while President. He has obstructed justice. He is a horrible negotiator & let KIm throw him around like a rag doll.

 

[RealDave]

AOC is a fuken idiot!!!
She's complaining about Trump legally trying to deflate the value of a property to avoid paying more in taxes.
The Wife and I do that every year when we get our tax bill on the value of our home.

Like Trump said, it's all legal, and if it is something that needs to change, then everyone needs to change the bullcrap.

But until then he is going to do everything legal that is allowed in business under current regs and laws, just like any other business owner does while in business, and rightfully so.

So, it is legal to sign a contract, get the services, & then short pay .

It isn ot legal to lie about your projects to get investors. (fraud)

It is not legal to inflate your worth to get a loan and undervalue assets to pay fewer taxes. (fraud & tax evasion)

It is not legal to inject personal money into a campaign without reporting it (payments to the porn star)

It is not legal to help undocumented workers get fake IDs so you can employ them in your resorts.

 

[RealDave]

Come to think of it, it makes sense that a 9 time felon guilty of lying to congress and tax evasion would be the gentleman of the democratic party and someone they hold in the highest regard.

A man who cheated on his wife with a college intern at the white house while president is their idol.

Oh look, Cohen already has an inmate number:

Inmate Locator

86067-054

At least he's got a hot daughter:

So, why would Trump hire such a person?

Are you saying Trtump is so fucking stupid he did not know?
Or did he need a sleazy, lying lawyer to do Trump's dirty work.

Let me know which it is.

 

[Flopper]

How can anyone answer why you do not care about his testimony

It is a personal preference

My point is that he knows trump as he has worked for him for many years

They know each other

He has insight that is on a business and a personal level

He knows more about trump and is willing to talk

whether you believe him is your prerogative

whether you care is your prerogative

Unfortunately it will be up to congressional members who will have collaborating material that the normal citizen might not have to make their own decisions

I didn't ask you why I don't care.

Let me know if I'm still going over your head.

"I asked you why I'm supposed to."

"What did he say that actually means anything to the American people? What did he say that is actionable/impacts on his Presidency?"

Do you see the difference between those two statements

One is self centered

The other asks a broader question about the American people and how it impacts on his presidency

What I see is you word-parsing like a food processor gone berserk.

However much you desperately want to focus on this made-up distinction without a difference in order to avoid having to admit that he didn't actually say a damned thing that meant anything, it's not gonna happen. I am a member of "the American people"; born that way, y'know. So they are actually the exact same question. The reason I phrased it differently the second time was to clarify that I'm not asking you to speak to my personal interests, preferences, and biases; I am, in both questions, asking you to speak specifically to what he said that matters to me as an American citizen. I further clarified what I meant by that with my third question, "What did he say that was actionable or impacts on the Presidency".

Now that we have completed your course in Remedial Reading for Asshats Who Want To Pretend Not to Understand, perhaps you could stop wasting time and give an answer.

I assumed you watch the testimony but that is only an assumption

Trump’s written responses to Mueller questions included a denial that Stone had told him about WikiLeaks plan to leak clinton emails

Cohen’s testimony said that he was present when Stone called Trump and told him about wikileaks intention to release clinton's email that were hacked by the russians

This means Trump lied to Mueller

Now if this does not bother you then that your opinion

To the American public it shows yet another Trump lie and this time he lied to an investigator doing an investigation which is a crime.

Repubs tried to Impeach Bill Clinton because he lied to a grand jury

First of all, Bill Clinton lied to the grand jury about whether or not he had committed a criminal act. So far as I know, having Stone tell him about WikiLeaks isn't criminal in and of itself. So there's a bit of a difference there.

Not really seeing that as particularly actionable, particularly since Cohen can't prove it, so it's just more "he said/he said".

That being said, I appreciate that you became the first person - after 11 pages of posts - to FINALLY list an actual thing he said, rather than just falling back on dark vagueries about "Oooh, it's really bad for Trump; ooh, it's so significant, if you don't agree it's just because you're stupid".

Fabrications have long been a part of American politics. Politicians lie to puff themselves up, to burnish their resumes and to cover up misdeeds, including sexual affairs such as Bill Clinton. Sometimes they cite false information for what they believe are justifiable policy reasons. But Trump has taken lying to a whole new level.

From his days peddling the false notion that former President Barack Obama was born in Kenya, to his inflated claims about how many people attended his inaugural, to receiving phone calls he never received to making claims contrary to his own statements, Donald Trump's lying is deeply ingrained in his personality. When he feels it's to his advantage, he tells people what they want to hear or what they don't want to hear. Whether it's true or not, makes no difference at all to him. This is why, his people fight to keep him from testifying because they know he will lie. He can't help it.

Gosh, how did you know that I was hungering for another meaningless repetition of "Orange Man Bad", because I certainly didn't ask for one?

Is it really that you find lying reprehensible and intolerable, or that you're pissed that someone might have been stealing the left's schtick?

All politicians lie, democrats and republicans. However Trump is the prince of liars, combining Richard Nixon’s compulsion to lie, Bill Clinton's lies to save his ass, and Ronald Reagan’s disregard for the facts. But what really set's Trump apart from other presidents is he sees no virtue in truth. He doesn't bother to check the facts because to Trump they are irrelevant. He creates his own facts to fit the situation whether it's lying about payoffs or lying about seeing Muslims in New Jersey celebrating 911. To Trump it's the narrative that's important, not supporting facts. IMHO, this comes from decades of selling concepts.

 

[captkaos]

Come to think of it, it makes sense that a 9 time felon guilty of lying to congress and tax evasion would be the gentleman of the democratic party and someone they hold in the highest regard.

A man who cheated on his wife with a college intern at the white house while president is their idol.

Oh look, Cohen already has an inmate number:

Inmate Locator

86067-054

At least he's got a hot daughter:

So, why would Trump hire such a person?

Are you saying Trtump is so fucking stupid he did not know?
Or did he need a sleazy, lying lawyer to do Trump's dirty work.

Let me know which it is.

That's Cohens daughter, wow he won't be seeing her for a while eh! Hey Donald Invite her to the O val office

 

[Flopper]

Come to think of it, it makes sense that a 9 time felon guilty of lying to congress and tax evasion would be the gentleman of the democratic party and someone they hold in the highest regard.

A man who cheated on his wife with a college intern at the white house while president is their idol.

Oh look, Cohen already has an inmate number:

Inmate Locator

86067-054

At least he's got a hot daughter:

So, why would Trump hire such a person?

Are you saying Trtump is so fucking stupid he did not know?
Or did he need a sleazy, lying lawyer to do Trump's dirty work.

Let me know which it is.

Trump hires people that will be usefully to him and keeps them only as long as they are loyal to him. He has no interest in their character. This is why a half dozen of his people are facing jail time and 4 of his cabinet members have had to resign over ethics issues. Trump seems to have drained the swamp into the White House.

 

[beautress]

Come to think of it, it makes sense that a 9 time felon guilty of lying to congress and tax evasion would be the gentleman of the democratic party and someone they hold in the highest regard.

A man who cheated on his wife with a college intern at the white house while president is their idol.

Oh look, Cohen already has an inmate number:

Inmate Locator

86067-054

At least he's got a hot daughter:

So, why would Trump hire such a person?

Are you saying Trtump is so fucking stupid he did not know?
Or did he need a sleazy, lying lawyer to do Trump's dirty work.

Let me know which it is.

Trump hires people that will be usefully to him and keeps them only as long as they are loyal to him. He has no interest in their character. This is why a half dozen of his people are facing jail time and 4 of his cabinet members have had to resign over ethics issues. Trump seems to have drained the swamp into the White House.

Every employer hires ONLY people who will be useful to the business so that it can pay their salary, pay the bills of the business, and make a profit. If you hire people who have no respect for boundaries, they will steal merchandise, remove any money that passes their way that reduces a business to bankruptcy, lawsuits from creditors, etc. It's not that Trump doesn't care about his employees, sometimes an employer's firing the employ with a justifiable reason, that employee will benefit by learning a lesson from that business of having to return what he stole, face the unemployment office, and trying to get by at a different job. Loose lips sink ships, and employers don't tolerate loose lip big mouth singers. Bad employees can make an employer sick and disable him from doing his job of feeding the other mouths in the business who are doing their job, who are bring public favor to the business.

Nobody likes to fire people, Flopper, and least of all a President from a strong business background of dealing with thousands of employees over a lifetime. You have to get rid of not only the unproductive ones who do little to justify paying their salary, but you cannot keep someone who gives up valuable information about how somebody else can outsell, steal from, and capitalize from that employee's boss's hard work of organizing and maintaining a viable business. That is backstabbing madness and nobody has to put up with that. Nobody. It takes money out the door and puts it on someone else's doorstep.

How can you say that? Trump did what he could to satisfy an angry person he had already paid but demanded more. It's smarter to settle these kinds of complaints out of court. If the "offended" person is merely milking an already bad situation, you can bet your bottom dollar the employer will never do business with that rat's patoot again. You expect people who hire employees to run a profitable business NOT to expect them to make money for the business by doing the work that goes into doing just that?

Or if he was paying for a service with an agreed upon price, and later she comes back and threatens to blackmail him and he reaches an agreement to pay more, just to keep his life private everybody should take the blackmailer's side? It just doesn't work like that.

Oh, and by the way, employers are not allowed to give too many details about the person they fire other than the day that person went to work and the day that left. Most everything else is confidential. Most people don't know that, but political hacks do, and they can say anything they want to on account of a law that was passed saying that famous people have to take it. That's so wrong.

A lot of criminals have children. But the issue isn't about their beautiful kids. Findings in court are about getting a criminal's attention that he cannot do what he was doing any more, and the judge usually recommends the minimum amount of time he thinks it will take to get that behavior extinguished for good so that when the man or woman goes free, recidivism will not occur. Hopefully that young woman's other parent will be her guide while her father receives rehabilitation.

 

[BWK]

So Michael Cohen is testifying before Congress, and leftists everywhere are wetting their frillies over it . . . and for the life of me, I can't figure out what he was expected to say or has said that I'm actually supposed to give much of a damn about, or why.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but he doesn't seem to have come up with any smoking guns about impeachable offenses or even particularly criminal ones, unless you have a serious hard-on for really nitpicky campaign finance stuff. Mostly, he seems to be spending a lot of time convincing us that Trump is a crappy person. First, that's not really news; and second, what's your point? Is anyone really expecting us to put the country through a torturous, expensive impeachment proceeding over "I've heard him say black people are stupid"?

The copy of the check is the smoking gun; Cohen friend: Testimony was 'peek inside the criminal enterprise'

 

[BWK]

Closing statement democrat shitstain talking points! Cohen has been bought and paid for by the DNC

And the evidence makes your statements irrelevant.

 

[BWK]

I'm only following this on the periphery, so I'd like to know too.

I'd phrase the question this way: What actionable information has been provided, either as a criminal matter or solid reason for impeachment?

Thanks.
.

The copy of the check proves illegal campaign finance contributions, cheating me out of a free and fair election. How many people would have changed their vote, had they known about Trump paying off Stormy and McDougal? We don't know, and that's the point.

 

[BWK]

AOC is a fuken idiot!!!
She's complaining about Trump legally trying to deflate the value of a property to avoid paying more in taxes.
The Wife and I do that every year when we get our tax bill on the value of our home.

Then, you are cheating me the tax payer, as is Trump. Who makes up the difference when you cheat on your taxes?

 

[BWK]

So disgusting for Dimms to be doing this hearing while Trump is in Vietnam at a Summitt with NoKo.

Fucking disgusting.

They are doing it on purpose to be cvnts. They could have easily done this after the summit, they are doing anything they can to compromise POTUS.

I HAVENT HEARD ANYTHING ABOUT TRUMP AND PUTIN COLLUDING TO STEAL THE 2016 ELECTION FROM HILLARY CLINTON IN THIS ENTIRE HEARING.

Trump accomplished shit, so it doesn't matter.

As for Clinton, she knew about Trump and Putin before the election and told us about it. She was right.

 

[BWK]

As I said earlier...this is a rehash of the same old shit we've known for months.

Did you know about the checks?

 

[beagle9]

Come to think of it, it makes sense that a 9 time felon guilty of lying to congress and tax evasion would be the gentleman of the democratic party and someone they hold in the highest regard.

A man who cheated on his wife with a college intern at the white house while president is their idol.

Oh look, Cohen already has an inmate number:

Inmate Locator

86067-054

At least he's got a hot daughter:

So, why would Trump hire such a person?

Are you saying Trtump is so fucking stupid he did not know?
Or did he need a sleazy, lying lawyer to do Trump's dirty work.

Let me know which it is.

Trump hires people that will be usefully to him and keeps them only as long as they are loyal to him. He has no interest in their character. This is why a half dozen of his people are facing jail time and 4 of his cabinet members have had to resign over ethics issues. Trump seems to have drained the swamp into the White House.

Every employer hires ONLY people who will be useful to the business so that it can pay their salary, pay the bills of the business, and make a profit. If you hire people who have no respect for boundaries, they will steal merchandise, remove any money that passes their way that reduces a business to bankruptcy, lawsuits from creditors, etc. It's not that Trump doesn't care about his employees, sometimes an employer's firing the employ with a justifiable reason, that employee will benefit by learning a lesson from that business of having to return what he stole, face the unemployment office, and trying to get by at a different job. Loose lips sink ships, and employers don't tolerate loose lip big mouth singers. Bad employees can make an employer sick and disable him from doing his job of feeding the other mouths in the business who are doing their job, who are bring public favor to the business.

Nobody likes to fire people, Flopper, and least of all a President from a strong business background of dealing with thousands of employees over a lifetime. You have to get rid of not only the unproductive ones who do little to justify paying their salary, but you cannot keep someone who gives up valuable information about how somebody else can outsell, steal from, and capitalize from that employee's boss's hard work of organizing and maintaining a viable business. That is backstabbing madness and nobody has to put up with that. Nobody. It takes money out the door and puts it on someone else's doorstep.

How can you say that? Trump did what he could to satisfy an angry person he had already paid but demanded more. It's smarter to settle these kinds of complaints out of court. If the "offended" person is merely milking an already bad situation, you can bet your bottom dollar the employer will never do business with that rat's patoot again. You expect people who hire employees to run a profitable business NOT to expect them to make money for the business by doing the work that goes into doing just that?

Or if he was paying for a service with an agreed upon price, and later she comes back and threatens to blackmail him and he reaches an agreement to pay more, just to keep his life private everybody should take the blackmailer's side? It just doesn't work like that.

Oh, and by the way, employers are not allowed to give too many details about the person they fire other than the day that person went to work and the day that left. Most everything else is confidential. Most people don't know that, but political hacks do, and they can say anything they want to on account of a law that was passed saying that famous people have to take it. That's so wrong.

A lot of criminals have children. But the issue isn't about their beautiful kids. Findings in court are about getting a criminal's attention that he cannot do what he was doing any more, and the judge usually recommends the minimum amount of time he thinks it will take to get that behavior extinguished for good so that when the man or woman goes free, recidivism will not occur. Hopefully that young woman's other parent will be her guide while her father receives rehabilitation.

Went to a McDonald's in another town traveled to yesterday evening, and the place was filthy, the restrooms were filthy, and the staff looked like a bunch of riff raff that were just as unclean looking as the place looked.

Unbelievable!!!!

I got my family member who is in her 80's the heck out of that place fast. I apologized to her for deciding on that place to eat. She said she was glad to get out of there.

Corporations under government control in which suggest to them that they can't run their business in the most professional way possible, is a great attrocity being committed in this country.

If we want to see this trend continue, then keep voting the Demon-crat's into power.

 

[BWK]

So a bitter 4 count convicted felon heading to prison says negatives things about his ex employer.

Only hard core TDS liberal loons will believe anything this guy says and think they're an impeachable offense. ... ..

The checks do the talking, not Cohen.

 

[WillowTree]

I'm only following this on the periphery, so I'd like to know too.

I'd phrase the question this way: What actionable information has been provided, either as a criminal matter or solid reason for impeachment?

Thanks.
.

The copy of the check proves illegal campaign finance contributions, cheating me out of a free and fair election. How many people would have changed their vote, had they known about Trump paying off Stormy and McDougal? We don't know, and that's the point.

What check? Please explain!

 

[BWK]

AOC is Up!!!!!!
Lets see if we can get some comedy gold!!

We got a whole bunch of witness referrals. She did a hell of a job in the name of good investigative digging.

 

[BWK]

I'm only following this on the periphery, so I'd like to know too.

I'd phrase the question this way: What actionable information has been provided, either as a criminal matter or solid reason for impeachment?

Thanks.
.

The copy of the check proves illegal campaign finance contributions, cheating me out of a free and fair election. How many people would have changed their vote, had they known about Trump paying off Stormy and McDougal? We don't know, and that's the point.

What check? Please explain!

The reimbursement check and checks by Trump to Cohen from the illegal hush money payments to Stormy.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

AOC is Up!!!!!!
Lets see if we can get some comedy gold!!

Oops, instead you got the groundwork for congress to get and release Trump's taxes.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

AOC is a fuken idiot!!!
She's complaining about Trump legally trying to deflate the value of a property to avoid paying more in taxes.
The Wife and I do that every year when we get our tax bill on the value of our home.

Then, you are cheating me the tax payer, as is Trump. Who makes up the difference when you cheat on your taxes?

Your a complete dumbfuck if you dont.
All you're doing is compiling a list of comparable homes in your area and what they sold for.