Michigan county seized retiree’s home over $8 debt

The dude is a slum lord. Is says HE miscalculated the interest on his property taxes, well, that's not up to him. He was short paying his taxes, then moved and apparently didn't leave a proper forwarding address for his mail, so he even though attempts were made to contact him, due to his negligence, the county starting on fees and interest on that $8 until it hit $245, and when they got tired of him not responding they seized the property.

Sounds to me like this dude didn't give a crap about the property so long as the rent checks kept rolling in. Typical slum lord. If the property really meant something to him he'd have kept a closer eye on it.

The issue with the law isn't actually the time limit, it's that Michigan is one of the few States where when property is auctioned off for tax delinquency the Government keeps all the proceeds from the sale, including any excess value above the money owed to the Government.

This is what the court found to be a taking, the government can still sell your property at auction to recover unpaid taxes, as well as any costs, but any excess money received has to be given to the owner of the property.
It's the same here in WI. If you fall further than 3 years behind on your property taxes, they seize your property and you're just SOL. They auction your property off on the steps of the county court house and you lose it all. In fact, someone else can pay your back taxes, and if you don't come in and catch them up, the person that paid your back taxes can take possession of your property, free and clear, just by paying your back taxes. You lose every bit of equity you had in the property. It's a horrible system.

Hopefully this case spreads to other States that do this. Nothing wrong with government getting its lawful "cut", but any excess has to go back to the owner, or at least the owners estate.
I agree. It's theft, pure and simple. No one should ever lose the equity they have in their property, under any circumstances.

You do not own your property, its that way in every state, the timeline might differ.

Ok, yeah right.

Don't you have a jew to go harass?
 
Well it was a republicans. What is it you do not understand about this.
You can argue the merits of 2 years vs 5

but it was the greed and dishonesty of the county tax office that screwed this man over

Why ? its a change of law? Its the city that taxes the property. How is the city greedy??
the county does the property taxs not the cities,,,

this just shows the evil of taxs,,,

We get the taxes from the city, not the county.
property taxs are usually done by the country,,at least here in missouri they are,,

not sure about your shithole,,

TAXS ARE EVIL!!!
Soon I would learn that while I had signed up for a piece of the American Dream with my investment, I was entering a bureaucratic nightmare — all thanks to Michigan’s Draconian tax forfeiture laws, which I’m now challenging in court," he wrote.

he needs to talk to the repubicans, they are in maj of the senate and house in MI.
the dems run the house so lets ask them???

No the dems have no jurisdiction from the Fed Gov, its the state republicans in charge, dummy.
either way its just more proof taxs are evil,,,

Taxes are not evil, they allow for everything.
no they dont,,,

they dont provide me food and shelter,,,they take it away,,,
 
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Well it was a republicans. What is it you do not understand about this.
You can argue the merits of 2 years vs 5

but it was the greed and dishonesty of the county tax office that screwed this man over

Why ? its a change of law? Its the city that taxes the property. How is the city greedy??
the county does the property taxs not the cities,,,

this just shows the evil of taxs,,,

We get the taxes from the city, not the county.
The city/village/township pays those taxes to the county.

LInk?
THINK... girl... if your property taxes DON'T go to the county, then why is it the county that SEIZES it and even SELLS it if you don't pay them? Where are all the tax records KEPT?

THINK... the COUNTY COURT HOUSE.
your mistake is asking her to think,,,

I suspect you can't find a link?? I knew you couldn't.
 
The dude is a slum lord. Is says HE miscalculated the interest on his property taxes, well, that's not up to him. He was short paying his taxes, then moved clear out of state and apparently didn't leave a proper forwarding address for his mail, so even though attempts were made to contact him, due to his negligence, the county started tacking fees and interest on that $8 until it hit $245, and when they got tired of him not responding they seized the property.

Sounds to me like this dude didn't give a crap about the property so long as the rent checks kept rolling in. Typical slum lord. If the property really meant something to him he'd have kept a closer eye on it.
If you own and rent property in Detroit it's hard not to be a slum lord because all of Detroit is a slum. The last time I was there it looked like a smouldering apocalyptic war ruin. It's been a few years now because I haven't been what you'd call anxious to get back to Detroit.
 
Well it was a republicans. What is it you do not understand about this.
You can argue the merits of 2 years vs 5

but it was the greed and dishonesty of the county tax office that screwed this man over

Why ? its a change of law? Its the city that taxes the property. How is the city greedy??
the county does the property taxs not the cities,,,

this just shows the evil of taxs,,,

We get the taxes from the city, not the county.
The city/village/township pays those taxes to the county.

LInk?
THINK... girl... if your property taxes DON'T go to the county, then why is it the county that SEIZES it and even SELLS it if you don't pay them? Where are all the tax records KEPT?

THINK... the COUNTY COURT HOUSE.
your mistake is asking her to think,,,

I suspect you can't find a link?? I knew you couldn't.
A link for what???
 
The dude is a slum lord. Is says HE miscalculated the interest on his property taxes, well, that's not up to him. He was short paying his taxes, then moved and apparently didn't leave a proper forwarding address for his mail, so he even though attempts were made to contact him, due to his negligence, the county starting on fees and interest on that $8 until it hit $245, and when they got tired of him not responding they seized the property.

Sounds to me like this dude didn't give a crap about the property so long as the rent checks kept rolling in. Typical slum lord. If the property really meant something to him he'd have kept a closer eye on it.

The issue with the law isn't actually the time limit, it's that Michigan is one of the few States where when property is auctioned off for tax delinquency the Government keeps all the proceeds from the sale, including any excess value above the money owed to the Government.

This is what the court found to be a taking, the government can still sell your property at auction to recover unpaid taxes, as well as any costs, but any excess money received has to be given to the owner of the property.
It's the same here in WI. If you fall further than 3 years behind on your property taxes, they seize your property and you're just SOL. They auction your property off on the steps of the county court house and you lose it all. In fact, someone else can pay your back taxes, and if you don't come in and catch them up, the person that paid your back taxes can take possession of your property, free and clear, just by paying your back taxes. You lose every bit of equity you had in the property. It's a horrible system.

Hopefully this case spreads to other States that do this. Nothing wrong with government getting its lawful "cut", but any excess has to go back to the owner, or at least the owners estate.
I agree. It's theft, pure and simple. No one should ever lose the equity they have in their property, under any circumstances.

You do not own your property, its that way in every state, the timeline might differ.
You own your property when it's paid off.

What timeline?
 
In August 2011, Uri Rafaeli bought a three-bedroom, 1,500-square-foot home in the Detroit suburb of Southfield, Mich., for $60,000. He converted the fixer-upper into a rental property.

Two-and-a-half years later – and at the time unbeknownst to the retired engineer – Oakland County seized his property, put it up for auction and sold the house for $24,500. All this, after a mistake in calculating his property taxes left Rafaeli’s account delinquent by just $8.41. Oakland County ended up keeping all of the $24,500 from the sale, while Rafaeli, now 83, was left without the home and the income he made from renting it.

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The gov signed the law, and it was a republican trifecta that year in 1999, so this is the fault of the republicans.
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Public Act 123 of 1999 shortens the amount of time property owners have to pay their delinquent taxes before losing their property. Property owners with taxes that are 25 months delinquent will be foreclosed and the property will be sold at public auction. For example, people who fail to pay their 2017 delinquent property taxes will lose their property to foreclosure March 31, 2020. Due to the Covid19 E.O from the governor the redemption period has been extended to at least 6/2/2020. Due to pending possible suits against the E.O. those dates may change.
Public Act 123 of 1999 shortens the amount of time property owners have to pay their delinquent taxes before losing their property. Property owners with taxes that are 25 months delinquent will be foreclosed and the property will be sold at public auction. For example, people who fail to pay their 2017 delinquent property taxes will lose their property to foreclosure March 31, 2020.

Due to the Covid19 E.O from the governor the redemption period has been extended to at least 6/2/2020. Due to pending possible suits against the E.O. those dates may change.
With this new act, the amount of time to pay taxes has been reduced from approximately 5 years to approximately 2 years.

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Reason number 23,456,560,999 that you should not vote for authoritarian Democrats.
 
How so. Its the law, and I live in MI and I'm fully aware of the law.
I bet the county tax office never informed the man that he was short $8.41 on his taxes

the tax assessor/collector just waited quietly till the two years passed and pounced on his house

could be-----AN INSIDE JOB. The answer to the problem MAY BE the relationship between the
tax assessor and the buyer
 
In August 2011, Uri Rafaeli bought a three-bedroom, 1,500-square-foot home in the Detroit suburb of Southfield, Mich., for $60,000. He converted the fixer-upper into a rental property.

Two-and-a-half years later – and at the time unbeknownst to the retired engineer – Oakland County seized his property, put it up for auction and sold the house for $24,500. All this, after a mistake in calculating his property taxes left Rafaeli’s account delinquent by just $8.41. Oakland County ended up keeping all of the $24,500 from the sale, while Rafaeli, now 83, was left without the home and the income he made from renting it.

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The gov signed the law, and it was a republican trifecta that year in 1999, so this is the fault of the republicans.
-----------------------------------------------------------

Public Act 123 of 1999 shortens the amount of time property owners have to pay their delinquent taxes before losing their property. Property owners with taxes that are 25 months delinquent will be foreclosed and the property will be sold at public auction. For example, people who fail to pay their 2017 delinquent property taxes will lose their property to foreclosure March 31, 2020. Due to the Covid19 E.O from the governor the redemption period has been extended to at least 6/2/2020. Due to pending possible suits against the E.O. those dates may change.
Public Act 123 of 1999 shortens the amount of time property owners have to pay their delinquent taxes before losing their property. Property owners with taxes that are 25 months delinquent will be foreclosed and the property will be sold at public auction. For example, people who fail to pay their 2017 delinquent property taxes will lose their property to foreclosure March 31, 2020.

Due to the Covid19 E.O from the governor the redemption period has been extended to at least 6/2/2020. Due to pending possible suits against the E.O. those dates may change.
With this new act, the amount of time to pay taxes has been reduced from approximately 5 years to approximately 2 years.

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Reason number 23,456,560,999 that you should not vote for authoritarian Democrats.

Why it was the trifecta republicans who made the law in the state of MI.
 
The dude is a slum lord. Is says HE miscalculated the interest on his property taxes, well, that's not up to him. He was short paying his taxes, then moved clear out of state and apparently didn't leave a proper forwarding address for his mail, so even though attempts were made to contact him, due to his negligence, the county started tacking fees and interest on that $8 until it hit $245, and when they got tired of him not responding they seized the property.

Sounds to me like this dude didn't give a crap about the property so long as the rent checks kept rolling in. Typical slum lord. If the property really meant something to him he'd have kept a closer eye on it.

Yes, that is what it looks like to me as well. I ran into that problem with a house that was abandoned down the street I wanted to buy and level, and the owner couldn't be found, and it wasn't worth years of waiting for a response from them. The city eventfully seized it and auctioned it off, and meanwhile the tard decided he could get more bling out of it by suing the city, making it even more worthless. Somebody finally dozed it after condemnation and got rid of it.
 
In August 2011, Uri Rafaeli bought a three-bedroom, 1,500-square-foot home in the Detroit suburb of Southfield, Mich., for $60,000. He converted the fixer-upper into a rental property.

Two-and-a-half years later – and at the time unbeknownst to the retired engineer – Oakland County seized his property, put it up for auction and sold the house for $24,500. All this, after a mistake in calculating his property taxes left Rafaeli’s account delinquent by just $8.41. Oakland County ended up keeping all of the $24,500 from the sale, while Rafaeli, now 83, was left without the home and the income he made from renting it.

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The gov signed the law, and it was a republican trifecta that year in 1999, so this is the fault of the republicans.
-----------------------------------------------------------

Public Act 123 of 1999 shortens the amount of time property owners have to pay their delinquent taxes before losing their property. Property owners with taxes that are 25 months delinquent will be foreclosed and the property will be sold at public auction. For example, people who fail to pay their 2017 delinquent property taxes will lose their property to foreclosure March 31, 2020. Due to the Covid19 E.O from the governor the redemption period has been extended to at least 6/2/2020. Due to pending possible suits against the E.O. those dates may change.
Public Act 123 of 1999 shortens the amount of time property owners have to pay their delinquent taxes before losing their property. Property owners with taxes that are 25 months delinquent will be foreclosed and the property will be sold at public auction. For example, people who fail to pay their 2017 delinquent property taxes will lose their property to foreclosure March 31, 2020.

Due to the Covid19 E.O from the governor the redemption period has been extended to at least 6/2/2020. Due to pending possible suits against the E.O. those dates may change.
With this new act, the amount of time to pay taxes has been reduced from approximately 5 years to approximately 2 years.



Oakland County Michigan is run by leftists. Just because a law written in a previous millennium was signed into law by a long one Republican doesn't mean that the GOP is responsible. The libs in charge could have notified this property owners , they didn't have to auction the home. They could have changed the law.
 
The dude is a slum lord. Is says HE miscalculated the interest on his property taxes, well, that's not up to him. He was short paying his taxes, then moved and apparently didn't leave a proper forwarding address for his mail, so he even though attempts were made to contact him, due to his negligence, the county starting on fees and interest on that $8 until it hit $245, and when they got tired of him not responding they seized the property.

Sounds to me like this dude didn't give a crap about the property so long as the rent checks kept rolling in. Typical slum lord. If the property really meant something to him he'd have kept a closer eye on it.

The issue with the law isn't actually the time limit, it's that Michigan is one of the few States where when property is auctioned off for tax delinquency the Government keeps all the proceeds from the sale, including any excess value above the money owed to the Government.

This is what the court found to be a taking, the government can still sell your property at auction to recover unpaid taxes, as well as any costs, but any excess money received has to be given to the owner of the property.
It's the same here in WI. If you fall further than 3 years behind on your property taxes, they seize your property and you're just SOL. They auction your property off on the steps of the county court house and you lose it all. In fact, someone else can pay your back taxes, and if you don't come in and catch them up, the person that paid your back taxes can take possession of your property, free and clear, just by paying your back taxes. You lose every bit of equity you had in the property. It's a horrible system.

Hopefully this case spreads to other States that do this. Nothing wrong with government getting its lawful "cut", but any excess has to go back to the owner, or at least the owners estate.
I agree. It's theft, pure and simple. No one should ever lose the equity they have in their property, under any circumstances.

You do not own your property, its that way in every state, the timeline might differ.
You own your property when it's paid off.

What timeline?

Not if you don't pay your taxes.
 
In August 2011, Uri Rafaeli bought a three-bedroom, 1,500-square-foot home in the Detroit suburb of Southfield, Mich., for $60,000. He converted the fixer-upper into a rental property.

Two-and-a-half years later – and at the time unbeknownst to the retired engineer – Oakland County seized his property, put it up for auction and sold the house for $24,500. All this, after a mistake in calculating his property taxes left Rafaeli’s account delinquent by just $8.41. Oakland County ended up keeping all of the $24,500 from the sale, while Rafaeli, now 83, was left without the home and the income he made from renting it.

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The gov signed the law, and it was a republican trifecta that year in 1999, so this is the fault of the republicans.
-----------------------------------------------------------

Public Act 123 of 1999 shortens the amount of time property owners have to pay their delinquent taxes before losing their property. Property owners with taxes that are 25 months delinquent will be foreclosed and the property will be sold at public auction. For example, people who fail to pay their 2017 delinquent property taxes will lose their property to foreclosure March 31, 2020. Due to the Covid19 E.O from the governor the redemption period has been extended to at least 6/2/2020. Due to pending possible suits against the E.O. those dates may change.
Public Act 123 of 1999 shortens the amount of time property owners have to pay their delinquent taxes before losing their property. Property owners with taxes that are 25 months delinquent will be foreclosed and the property will be sold at public auction. For example, people who fail to pay their 2017 delinquent property taxes will lose their property to foreclosure March 31, 2020.

Due to the Covid19 E.O from the governor the redemption period has been extended to at least 6/2/2020. Due to pending possible suits against the E.O. those dates may change.
With this new act, the amount of time to pay taxes has been reduced from approximately 5 years to approximately 2 years.

LOL, blaming Republicans from 1999, instead of the many Democrats that have been running that shit hole since then. Dems could had changed the law, they also could had let this go, instead someone chose to take it to court and get the seizure on behalf of the Democrat run government.

Now go pound sand.

False, republicans in the senate have been in majority of MI since 1984. We have many republican govenors.
And does the Senate have anything to do with county seizures? No.

Why don’t the thoughtful and caring Dems running the county now give him his money? I’m guessing he is too white for them to really care.

Because of the law!! The State republicans made the law.
 
In August 2011, Uri Rafaeli bought a three-bedroom, 1,500-square-foot home in the Detroit suburb of Southfield, Mich., for $60,000. He converted the fixer-upper into a rental property.

Two-and-a-half years later – and at the time unbeknownst to the retired engineer – Oakland County seized his property, put it up for auction and sold the house for $24,500. All this, after a mistake in calculating his property taxes left Rafaeli’s account delinquent by just $8.41. Oakland County ended up keeping all of the $24,500 from the sale, while Rafaeli, now 83, was left without the home and the income he made from renting it.

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The gov signed the law, and it was a republican trifecta that year in 1999, so this is the fault of the republicans.
-----------------------------------------------------------

Public Act 123 of 1999 shortens the amount of time property owners have to pay their delinquent taxes before losing their property. Property owners with taxes that are 25 months delinquent will be foreclosed and the property will be sold at public auction. For example, people who fail to pay their 2017 delinquent property taxes will lose their property to foreclosure March 31, 2020. Due to the Covid19 E.O from the governor the redemption period has been extended to at least 6/2/2020. Due to pending possible suits against the E.O. those dates may change.
Public Act 123 of 1999 shortens the amount of time property owners have to pay their delinquent taxes before losing their property. Property owners with taxes that are 25 months delinquent will be foreclosed and the property will be sold at public auction. For example, people who fail to pay their 2017 delinquent property taxes will lose their property to foreclosure March 31, 2020.

Due to the Covid19 E.O from the governor the redemption period has been extended to at least 6/2/2020. Due to pending possible suits against the E.O. those dates may change.
With this new act, the amount of time to pay taxes has been reduced from approximately 5 years to approximately 2 years.



Oakland County Michigan is run by leftists. Just because a law written in a previous millennium was signed into law by a long one Republican doesn't mean that the GOP is responsible. The libs in charge could have notified this property owners , they didn't have to auction the home. They could have changed the law.

Its a state law made in 1999.
 
Why don’t the thoughtful and caring Dems running the county now give him his money?
If you scratch deep enough I bet the lucky buyer is connected in some way to someone in the county government
 
In August 2011, Uri Rafaeli bought a three-bedroom, 1,500-square-foot home in the Detroit suburb of Southfield, Mich., for $60,000. He converted the fixer-upper into a rental property.

Two-and-a-half years later – and at the time unbeknownst to the retired engineer – Oakland County seized his property, put it up for auction and sold the house for $24,500. All this, after a mistake in calculating his property taxes left Rafaeli’s account delinquent by just $8.41. Oakland County ended up keeping all of the $24,500 from the sale, while Rafaeli, now 83, was left without the home and the income he made from renting it.

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The gov signed the law, and it was a republican trifecta that year in 1999, so this is the fault of the republicans.
-----------------------------------------------------------

Public Act 123 of 1999 shortens the amount of time property owners have to pay their delinquent taxes before losing their property. Property owners with taxes that are 25 months delinquent will be foreclosed and the property will be sold at public auction. For example, people who fail to pay their 2017 delinquent property taxes will lose their property to foreclosure March 31, 2020. Due to the Covid19 E.O from the governor the redemption period has been extended to at least 6/2/2020. Due to pending possible suits against the E.O. those dates may change.
Public Act 123 of 1999 shortens the amount of time property owners have to pay their delinquent taxes before losing their property. Property owners with taxes that are 25 months delinquent will be foreclosed and the property will be sold at public auction. For example, people who fail to pay their 2017 delinquent property taxes will lose their property to foreclosure March 31, 2020.

Due to the Covid19 E.O from the governor the redemption period has been extended to at least 6/2/2020. Due to pending possible suits against the E.O. those dates may change.
With this new act, the amount of time to pay taxes has been reduced from approximately 5 years to approximately 2 years.

LOL, blaming Republicans from 1999, instead of the many Democrats that have been running that shit hole since then. Dems could had changed the law, they also could had let this go, instead someone chose to take it to court and get the seizure on behalf of the Democrat run government.

Now go pound sand.

False, republicans in the senate have been in majority of MI since 1984. We have many republican govenors.
And does the Senate have anything to do with county seizures? No.

Why don’t the thoughtful and caring Dems running the county now give him his money? I’m guessing he is too white for them to really care.

Because of the law!! The State republicans made the law.
when nhave the dems tried to repeal that law???
 
Not if you don't pay your taxes.
I don't pay property taxes. I'm a "service connected disabled veteran," and in the state of WI, we're exempt, we don't pay property taxes. Well, we pay them, but then we get them back.

But I don't care what state you live in, you're going to pay property taxes. That's just the way it is.
 
So now you are complaining that you elected a Democrat govenor who enforced the law?
Right now she wishes she could forget the whole thing

what she thought would be an easy attack on republicans turned out to be anything but
 
In August 2011, Uri Rafaeli bought a three-bedroom, 1,500-square-foot home in the Detroit suburb of Southfield, Mich., for $60,000. He converted the fixer-upper into a rental property.

Two-and-a-half years later – and at the time unbeknownst to the retired engineer – Oakland County seized his property, put it up for auction and sold the house for $24,500. All this, after a mistake in calculating his property taxes left Rafaeli’s account delinquent by just $8.41. Oakland County ended up keeping all of the $24,500 from the sale, while Rafaeli, now 83, was left without the home and the income he made from renting it.

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The gov signed the law, and it was a republican trifecta that year in 1999, so this is the fault of the republicans.
-----------------------------------------------------------

Public Act 123 of 1999 shortens the amount of time property owners have to pay their delinquent taxes before losing their property. Property owners with taxes that are 25 months delinquent will be foreclosed and the property will be sold at public auction. For example, people who fail to pay their 2017 delinquent property taxes will lose their property to foreclosure March 31, 2020. Due to the Covid19 E.O from the governor the redemption period has been extended to at least 6/2/2020. Due to pending possible suits against the E.O. those dates may change.
Public Act 123 of 1999 shortens the amount of time property owners have to pay their delinquent taxes before losing their property. Property owners with taxes that are 25 months delinquent will be foreclosed and the property will be sold at public auction. For example, people who fail to pay their 2017 delinquent property taxes will lose their property to foreclosure March 31, 2020.

Due to the Covid19 E.O from the governor the redemption period has been extended to at least 6/2/2020. Due to pending possible suits against the E.O. those dates may change.
With this new act, the amount of time to pay taxes has been reduced from approximately 5 years to approximately 2 years.

LOL, blaming Republicans from 1999, instead of the many Democrats that have been running that shit hole since then. Dems could had changed the law, they also could had let this go, instead someone chose to take it to court and get the seizure on behalf of the Democrat run government.

Now go pound sand.

False, republicans in the senate have been in majority of MI since 1984. We have many republican govenors.
And does the Senate have anything to do with county seizures? No.

Why don’t the thoughtful and caring Dems running the county now give him his money? I’m guessing he is too white for them to really care.

Because of the law!! The State republicans made the law.
To help rejuvenate all the dilapidated falling down slums, caused by democrats.
 

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