Minimum wage, living wage, child labor, white blue collar suburbs, black blue collar ghettos

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

only if they pay taxes. some taxation requires some representation.

the dilemma is the concept of natural rights.

we should solve it with better border policy. we should be making money not losing money on border policy. the right wing alleges, we are for capitalism and not socialism on a national basis, whenever they claim what they do.

You are starting to make sense....for once.

 

[Muhammed]

The only people that shoudl control an employees pay is he and his employer.
Its none of our fucking business what they make. If they think its worth it to make 7.25 then fuck em. Not like there isnt plenty of jobs out there.
Some people dont care about them and their families, so why should i?

Of course if all those people would simply vote the Democratic party out of office permanently, then they wouldn't have to worry about making ends meet in the first place. Their biggest employment concerns would be little things like deciding whether they want to drive their Corvette to work or drive their Escalade to work.

 

[Wyatt earp]

First and foremost, Democrats and Republicans, conservatives and liberals, all tend to be wrong on a significant portion of the debate when it comes to these topics. This thread is not about raising the minimum wage. This is about having a realistic picture of the American employment market. What jobs are out there, what are they paying, who is available to fill them.

But one thing in particular that really baffles me is the absolute stupidity that many on the right use with arguments about how low wage jobs are supposed to be stepping stones, "first jobs", and all that nonsense. And it's very telling how many on the right think that suburban, white, unskilled workers on a GM assembly line during the golden years that made America great were doing jobs that warranted a lifelong career at a decent wage; yet unskilled urban black and Latino workers working in a warehouse are lazy, useless leeches who shouldn't be doing that job for very long and deserve nothing better than the ghetto wages that will make America great again.

The question becomes "What should happen with all these low wage jobs that aren't supposed to be filled but for a short time by people working their first job?" Do people really believe that there are such few of these jobs that they can be filled by teenage kids and college students home on break?

The data is from a few years ago, but we all know that wages have been largely the same for the past few years. Any change would be negligible for the point here. But it turns out that about 42% of Americans make less than $15 an hour.

The 16 - 20 age group makes up only 7.3% of the workforce. Nowhere near enough to fill the total positions that pay less than $15 an hour. So it is a complete falsehood to say that these are jobs that these positions are only stepping stones and should only be first jobs for teenagers and new high school grads.

The jobs available in America are dictated by those goods and services the American public has a demand to buy. The modern American working class must fill those jobs the American consumer's buying demands. Warehouse employees at Amazon, fast food workers, retail, restaurant servers and cooks, so and and so forth. This is the modern day American working class. Stubbornly insisting that the only well paying working class jobs should be in a coal mine, or a GM factory assembly line, is nothing more than interjecting an unfounded idealism into the natural market.

What I your argument? 50% of the jobs pay $15 bucks or less

 

[danielpalos]

lol. the right wing doesn't care about natural rights, and prove it with their alleged wars on crime, drugs, and terror.

This is why I am not "right wing."

you seem to have all of their propaganda, down pat.

 

[BS Filter]

Nope. You should learn what the job of congress is and then learn the Constitution and what the "general welfare" claus is all about.

after that?

Become a productive citizen, get a job.

sure; just stop whining about the problems of our Republic, right wingers. it really is, that morally simple.

Do you support illegal immigrants voting?

only if they pay taxes. some taxation requires some representation.

the dilemma is the concept of natural rights.

we should solve it with better border policy. we should be making money not losing money on border policy. the right wing alleges, we are for capitalism and not socialism on a national basis, whenever they claim what they do.

You didn't answer my question. Do you support the right of illegal immigrants voting?

 

[danielpalos]

after that?

Become a productive citizen, get a job.

sure; just stop whining about the problems of our Republic, right wingers. it really is, that morally simple.

Do you support illegal immigrants voting?

only if they pay taxes. some taxation requires some representation.

the dilemma is the concept of natural rights.

we should solve it with better border policy. we should be making money not losing money on border policy. the right wing alleges, we are for capitalism and not socialism on a national basis, whenever they claim what they do.

You didn't answer my question. Do you support the right of illegal immigrants voting?

technically no; Because only lousy capitalists lose money on border policy that would better ensure there is little to no economic incentive to enter the country illegally.

 

[EGR one]

First and foremost, Democrats and Republicans, conservatives and liberals, all tend to be wrong on a significant portion of the debate when it comes to these topics. This thread is not about raising the minimum wage. This is about having a realistic picture of the American employment market. What jobs are out there, what are they paying, who is available to fill them.

But one thing in particular that really baffles me is the absolute stupidity that many on the right use with arguments about how low wage jobs are supposed to be stepping stones, "first jobs", and all that nonsense. And it's very telling how many on the right think that suburban, white, unskilled workers on a GM assembly line during the golden years that made America great were doing jobs that warranted a lifelong career at a decent wage; yet unskilled urban black and Latino workers working in a warehouse are lazy, useless leeches who shouldn't be doing that job for very long and deserve nothing better than the ghetto wages that will make America great again.

The question becomes "What should happen with all these low wage jobs that aren't supposed to be filled but for a short time by people working their first job?" Do people really believe that there are such few of these jobs that they can be filled by teenage kids and college students home on break?

The data is from a few years ago, but we all know that wages have been largely the same for the past few years. Any change would be negligible for the point here. But it turns out that about 42% of Americans make less than $15 an hour.

The 16 - 20 age group makes up only 7.3% of the workforce. Nowhere near enough to fill the total positions that pay less than $15 an hour. So it is a complete falsehood to say that these are jobs that these positions are only stepping stones and should only be first jobs for teenagers and new high school grads.

The jobs available in America are dictated by those goods and services the American public has a demand to buy. The modern American working class must fill those jobs the American consumer's buying demands. Warehouse employees at Amazon, fast food workers, retail, restaurant servers and cooks, so and and so forth. This is the modern day American working class. Stubbornly insisting that the only well paying working class jobs should be in a coal mine, or a GM factory assembly line, is nothing more than interjecting an unfounded idealism into the natural market.

We need a fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage and unemployment compensation at fourteen dollars an hour to solve simple poverty; Capitalism is about voluntary social transactions. Socialism's job is ensure those "goal posts" are fixed as Standards.

Who the fuck would work a job for a dollar an hour?

I did. I washed dishes in a restaurant for $0.75 an hour. I bucked hay bales for a dollar an hour, and I dug out irrigation ditches for a dollar an hour. But, that was back in the fifties, and I was a teenager.

The dollar amount is less important than what you can buy with that dollar. If you establish a $15 minimum wage for workers, the purchasing power of that $15 will be no greater than $11 is today. No one is any better off, and those who are not in the work force are worse off.

The cost of labor, is usually the top production cost, and has a direct effect on product prices. Wages go up, and product prices go up. It is called wage inflation. And, when prices go up, other daily costs also go up.

 

[SmokeALib]

Some people are just too damn lazy, too damn stupid, too damn unmotivated, too damn entitled, to do anything without government rule. These people are called democrats.

lol. the right wing doesn't care about natural rights, and prove it with their alleged wars on crime, drugs, and terror.

You government leeches crack me up!

 

[BS Filter]

Become a productive citizen, get a job.

sure; just stop whining about the problems of our Republic, right wingers. it really is, that morally simple.

Do you support illegal immigrants voting?

only if they pay taxes. some taxation requires some representation.

the dilemma is the concept of natural rights.

we should solve it with better border policy. we should be making money not losing money on border policy. the right wing alleges, we are for capitalism and not socialism on a national basis, whenever they claim what they do.

You didn't answer my question. Do you support the right of illegal immigrants voting?

technically no; Because only lousy capitalists lose money on border policy that would better ensure there is little to no economic incentive to enter the country illegally.

So you think Capitalism is wrong. Do you think socialism is better?

 

[miketx]

It'll make a fine crowd of "doan_wanna_do_nuffins".

 

[danielpalos]

Some people are just too damn lazy, too damn stupid, too damn unmotivated, too damn entitled, to do anything without government rule. These people are called democrats.

lol. the right wing doesn't care about natural rights, and prove it with their alleged wars on crime, drugs, and terror.

You government leeches crack me up!

you amoral leaches, are even funnier.

 

[danielpalos]

sure; just stop whining about the problems of our Republic, right wingers. it really is, that morally simple.

Do you support illegal immigrants voting?

only if they pay taxes. some taxation requires some representation.

the dilemma is the concept of natural rights.

we should solve it with better border policy. we should be making money not losing money on border policy. the right wing alleges, we are for capitalism and not socialism on a national basis, whenever they claim what they do.

You didn't answer my question. Do you support the right of illegal immigrants voting?

technically no; Because only lousy capitalists lose money on border policy that would better ensure there is little to no economic incentive to enter the country illegally.

So you think Capitalism is wrong. Do you think socialism is better?

only lousy capitalists lose money on border policy.

 

[SmokeALib]

Some people are just too damn lazy, too damn stupid, too damn unmotivated, too damn entitled, to do anything without government rule. These people are called democrats.

lol. the right wing doesn't care about natural rights, and prove it with their alleged wars on crime, drugs, and terror.

You government leeches crack me up!

you amoral leaches, are even funnier.

Good one! You must be witty internet guy!

 

[danielpalos]

Some people are just too damn lazy, too damn stupid, too damn unmotivated, too damn entitled, to do anything without government rule. These people are called democrats.

lol. the right wing doesn't care about natural rights, and prove it with their alleged wars on crime, drugs, and terror.

You government leeches crack me up!

you amoral leaches, are even funnier.

Good one! You must be witty internet guy!

no capital excuses, only capital results, is what Any good capitalist should say.

 

[BS Filter]

Do you support illegal immigrants voting?

only if they pay taxes. some taxation requires some representation.

the dilemma is the concept of natural rights.

we should solve it with better border policy. we should be making money not losing money on border policy. the right wing alleges, we are for capitalism and not socialism on a national basis, whenever they claim what they do.

You didn't answer my question. Do you support the right of illegal immigrants voting?

technically no; Because only lousy capitalists lose money on border policy that would better ensure there is little to no economic incentive to enter the country illegally.

So you think Capitalism is wrong. Do you think socialism is better?

only lousy capitalists lose money on border policy.

You didn't answer my question again. You seem to have a habit of not answering direct questions. Are you a socialist?

 

[danielpalos]

only if they pay taxes. some taxation requires some representation.

the dilemma is the concept of natural rights.

we should solve it with better border policy. we should be making money not losing money on border policy. the right wing alleges, we are for capitalism and not socialism on a national basis, whenever they claim what they do.

You didn't answer my question. Do you support the right of illegal immigrants voting?

technically no; Because only lousy capitalists lose money on border policy that would better ensure there is little to no economic incentive to enter the country illegally.

So you think Capitalism is wrong. Do you think socialism is better?

only lousy capitalists lose money on border policy.

You didn't answer my question again. You seem to have a habit of not answering direct questions. Are you a socialist?

no faith in Capitalism, right winger?

We should be making money on border policy not losing money on border policy and not solving any actual problems.

 

[BS Filter]

You didn't answer my question. Do you support the right of illegal immigrants voting?

technically no; Because only lousy capitalists lose money on border policy that would better ensure there is little to no economic incentive to enter the country illegally.

So you think Capitalism is wrong. Do you think socialism is better?

only lousy capitalists lose money on border policy.

You didn't answer my question again. You seem to have a habit of not answering direct questions. Are you a socialist?

no faith in Capitalism, right winger?

We should be making money on border policy not losing money on border policy and not solving any actual problems.

Thanks, I have the answer. Sad.

 

[OnePercenter]

I could have been poor. I'm glad I decided otherwise.

Unfortunately, under tRump, unless you have enough CASH to live the rest of your life without working, you are poor.

 

[danielpalos]

technically no; Because only lousy capitalists lose money on border policy that would better ensure there is little to no economic incentive to enter the country illegally.

So you think Capitalism is wrong. Do you think socialism is better?

only lousy capitalists lose money on border policy.

You didn't answer my question again. You seem to have a habit of not answering direct questions. Are you a socialist?

no faith in Capitalism, right winger?

We should be making money on border policy not losing money on border policy and not solving any actual problems.

Thanks, I have the answer. Sad.

don't understand Capitalism, right winger? we should have no illegal problem; that is how market friendly, border policy should be.

 

[BS Filter]

So you think Capitalism is wrong. Do you think socialism is better?

only lousy capitalists lose money on border policy.

You didn't answer my question again. You seem to have a habit of not answering direct questions. Are you a socialist?

no faith in Capitalism, right winger?

We should be making money on border policy not losing money on border policy and not solving any actual problems.

Thanks, I have the answer. Sad.

don't understand Capitalism, right winger? we should have no illegal problem; that is how market friendly, border policy should be.

Capitalism has nothing to do with a corrupt border policy in both political parties.