Minimum wage, living wage, child labor, white blue collar suburbs, black blue collar ghettos

[danielpalos]

are you a capitalist?

Yes, are you a socialist?

no, you are not a capitalist.

Whatever.

Tourism is the first, second, or third largest employer in twenty-nine States.

Only lousy capitalists lose money on border policy.

I don't buy that. You're full of shit.

You don't buy what; that capitalism works, unlike right wing tax cut economics?

 

[BS Filter]

Yes, are you a socialist?

no, you are not a capitalist.

Whatever.

Tourism is the first, second, or third largest employer in twenty-nine States.

Only lousy capitalists lose money on border policy.

I don't buy that. You're full of shit.

You don't buy what; that capitalism works, unlike right wing tax cut economics?

The economy is booming. What alternative universe do you dwell in?

 

[danielpalos]

your filter missed, this:

U.S. National Debt Clock : Real Time

 

[Correll]

First and foremost, Democrats and Republicans, conservatives and liberals, all tend to be wrong on a significant portion of the debate when it comes to these topics. This thread is not about raising the minimum wage. This is about having a realistic picture of the American employment market. What jobs are out there, what are they paying, who is available to fill them.

But one thing in particular that really baffles me is the absolute stupidity that many on the right use with arguments about how low wage jobs are supposed to be stepping stones, "first jobs", and all that nonsense. And it's very telling how many on the right think that suburban, white, unskilled workers on a GM assembly line during the golden years that made America great were doing jobs that warranted a lifelong career at a decent wage; yet unskilled urban black and Latino workers working in a warehouse are lazy, useless leeches who shouldn't be doing that job for very long and deserve nothing better than the ghetto wages that will make America great again.

Yeah, no one said that.

The question becomes "What should happen with all these low wage jobs that aren't supposed to be filled but for a short time by people working their first job?" Do people really believe that there are such few of these jobs that they can be filled by teenage kids and college students home on break?

The data is from a few years ago, but we all know that wages have been largely the same for the past few years. Any change would be negligible for the point here. But it turns out that about 42% of Americans make less than $15 an hour.

YOu are conflating arguments made about MINIMUM wage jobs with LOW wage jobs. The MINIMUM wage is 7.25, your poll is about jobs that make less the 15$ an hour.

The 16 - 20 age group makes up only 7.3% of the workforce. Nowhere near enough to fill the total positions that pay less than $15 an hour. So it is a complete falsehood to say that these are jobs that these positions are only stepping stones and should only be first jobs for teenagers and new high school grads.

The jobs available in America are dictated by those goods and services the American public has a demand to buy. The modern American working class must fill those jobs the American consumer's buying demands. Warehouse employees at Amazon, fast food workers, retail, restaurant servers and cooks, so and and so forth. This is the modern day American working class. Stubbornly insisting that the only well paying working class jobs should be in a coal mine, or a GM factory assembly line, is nothing more than interjecting an unfounded idealism into the natural market.

Which is why Trump's trade and immigration polices are designed to increase the number of better jobs, and increase the wages of all jobs, including lower wage jobs.


I've seen low wage jobs in the same system, have 4 or 5 dollars/hours differences at difference sites with different labor markets.

That can be the difference between poverty and poor but happy. Or between poor and middle class. Depending on other factors.

 

[Markle]

First and foremost, Democrats and Republicans, conservatives and liberals, all tend to be wrong on a significant portion of the debate when it comes to these topics. This thread is not about raising the minimum wage. This is about having a realistic picture of the American employment market. What jobs are out there, what are they paying, who is available to fill them.

But one thing in particular that really baffles me is the absolute stupidity that many on the right use with arguments about how low wage jobs are supposed to be stepping stones, "first jobs", and all that nonsense. And it's very telling how many on the right think that suburban, white, unskilled workers on a GM assembly line during the golden years that made America great were doing jobs that warranted a lifelong career at a decent wage; yet unskilled urban black and Latino workers working in a warehouse are lazy, useless leeches who shouldn't be doing that job for very long and deserve nothing better than the ghetto wages that will make America great again.

The question becomes "What should happen with all these low wage jobs that aren't supposed to be filled but for a short time by people working their first job?" Do people really believe that there are such few of these jobs that they can be filled by teenage kids and college students home on break?

The data is from a few years ago, but we all know that wages have been largely the same for the past few years. Any change would be negligible for the point here. But it turns out that about 42% of Americans make less than $15 an hour.

The 16 - 20 age group makes up only 7.3% of the workforce. Nowhere near enough to fill the total positions that pay less than $15 an hour. So it is a complete falsehood to say that these are jobs that these positions are only stepping stones and should only be first jobs for teenagers and new high school grads.

The jobs available in America are dictated by those goods and services the American public has a demand to buy. The modern American working class must fill those jobs the American consumer's buying demands. Warehouse employees at Amazon, fast food workers, retail, restaurant servers and cooks, so and and so forth. This is the modern day American working class. Stubbornly insisting that the only well paying working class jobs should be in a coal mine, or a GM factory assembly line, is nothing more than interjecting an unfounded idealism into the natural market.

Please provide us with the source and link for your figures.

At the same time, please share with us what the average household income is where at least one worker earns the minimum wage.

Then please share with us the percentage of households that exist on the earnings of one person earning the minimum wage.

Do you believe that once people start to work, they remain in that income bracket for the rest of their lives?

Your limits on good paying jobs are extremely narrow-minded. Truckers, plumbers, carpenters, auto technicians, hair stylists, Realtors, electricians, and the list goes on, and on with good paying jobs. Are computer technicans paid less than $15.00 an hour?

 

[Markle]

your filter missed, this:

U.S. National Debt Clock : Real Time

Sure wasn't important for eight years, was it?

 

[Jimmy_Chitwood]

First and foremost, Democrats and Republicans, conservatives and liberals, all tend to be wrong on a significant portion of the debate when it comes to these topics. This thread is not about raising the minimum wage. This is about having a realistic picture of the American employment market. What jobs are out there, what are they paying, who is available to fill them.

But one thing in particular that really baffles me is the absolute stupidity that many on the right use with arguments about how low wage jobs are supposed to be stepping stones, "first jobs", and all that nonsense. And it's very telling how many on the right think that suburban, white, unskilled workers on a GM assembly line during the golden years that made America great were doing jobs that warranted a lifelong career at a decent wage; yet unskilled urban black and Latino workers working in a warehouse are lazy, useless leeches who shouldn't be doing that job for very long and deserve nothing better than the ghetto wages that will make America great again.

The question becomes "What should happen with all these low wage jobs that aren't supposed to be filled but for a short time by people working their first job?" Do people really believe that there are such few of these jobs that they can be filled by teenage kids and college students home on break?

The data is from a few years ago, but we all know that wages have been largely the same for the past few years. Any change would be negligible for the point here. But it turns out that about 42% of Americans make less than $15 an hour.

The 16 - 20 age group makes up only 7.3% of the workforce. Nowhere near enough to fill the total positions that pay less than $15 an hour. So it is a complete falsehood to say that these are jobs that these positions are only stepping stones and should only be first jobs for teenagers and new high school grads.

The jobs available in America are dictated by those goods and services the American public has a demand to buy. The modern American working class must fill those jobs the American consumer's buying demands. Warehouse employees at Amazon, fast food workers, retail, restaurant servers and cooks, so and and so forth. This is the modern day American working class. Stubbornly insisting that the only well paying working class jobs should be in a coal mine, or a GM factory assembly line, is nothing more than interjecting an unfounded idealism into the natural market.

America 101 - if you don't like your job get a new one.

 

[danielpalos]

your filter missed, this:

U.S. National Debt Clock : Real Time

Sure wasn't important for eight years, was it?

the charts gainsay your contention.

 

[Markle]

The 'Pro-management' side of the world is lying by trying to justify workers wages at all. It isn't about 'first jobs' nor is it about undeserving minorities.

Pro-management people want to pay as little as they possibly can to anybody if they can get away with it. They would bring back slavery if they could. Their justifications are disingenuine. They aren't racist they'll happily enslave anyone they can regardless of race, job skill or education.

"Suburban, white, unskilled workers on a GM assembly line during the golden years that made America great" unionized and forced higher pay and better wages.

These days management has gotten a whole lot better at stopping people from unionizing. They pay only to the level that prevents people from rebelling. The less empowered people are the lower the pay. They don't care if the least empowered rebel...they have police to deal with them.

What we need is government mandated profit sharing for all workers. That's a totally capitalistic way of fixing income disparity.

How did those "forced higher pay and better wages" (whatever that means) work out for the American Auto Manufactures and Detroit?

You just can't be happy can you? You whine if employers pay too little and then you whine if they pay too much destroying the need for an oppressive, expensive union.

 

[Stormy Daniels]

Please provide us with the source and link for your figures.

I already did. Pay attention.

 

[Markle]

Please provide us with the source and link for your figures.

I already did. Pay attention.

What is the average household income of those workers?

 

[BS Filter]

your filter missed, this:

U.S. National Debt Clock : Real Time

Meaningless.

 

[danielpalos]

your filter missed, this:

U.S. National Debt Clock : Real Time

Meaningless.

your filter is only effective in right wing fantasy.

 

[BS Filter]

your filter missed, this:

U.S. National Debt Clock : Real Time

Meaningless.

your filter is only effective in right wing fantasy.

Whatever, blah, blah, blah. The economy is booming and I'm doing well. Have a nice day.

 

[danielpalos]

your filter missed, this:

U.S. National Debt Clock : Real Time

Meaningless.

your filter is only effective in right wing fantasy.

Whatever, blah, blah, blah. The economy is booming and I'm doing well. Have a nice day.

with unsustainable tax cut policies?

our fleets and our infrastructure are in disrepair.

 

[BS Filter]

your filter missed, this:

U.S. National Debt Clock : Real Time

Meaningless.

your filter is only effective in right wing fantasy.

Whatever, blah, blah, blah. The economy is booming and I'm doing well. Have a nice day.

with unsustainable tax cut policies?

our fleets and our infrastructure are in disrepair.

Don't you remember when Obama spent the stimulus money on infrastructure? "Shovel ready jobs"...…

 

[danielpalos]

your filter missed, this:

U.S. National Debt Clock : Real Time

Meaningless.

your filter is only effective in right wing fantasy.

Whatever, blah, blah, blah. The economy is booming and I'm doing well. Have a nice day.

with unsustainable tax cut policies?

our fleets and our infrastructure are in disrepair.

Don't you remember when Obama spent the stimulus money on infrastructure? "Shovel ready jobs"...…

the right wing, Preferred nothing but Repeal; the rich have to get richer and the poor have to get poorer, that is their policy.

 

[BS Filter]

Meaningless.

your filter is only effective in right wing fantasy.

Whatever, blah, blah, blah. The economy is booming and I'm doing well. Have a nice day.

with unsustainable tax cut policies?

our fleets and our infrastructure are in disrepair.

Don't you remember when Obama spent the stimulus money on infrastructure? "Shovel ready jobs"...…

the right wing, Preferred nothing but Repeal; the rich have to get richer and the poor have to get poorer, that is their policy.

So where did all that stimulus money go?

 

[danielpalos]

your filter is only effective in right wing fantasy.

Whatever, blah, blah, blah. The economy is booming and I'm doing well. Have a nice day.

with unsustainable tax cut policies?

our fleets and our infrastructure are in disrepair.

Don't you remember when Obama spent the stimulus money on infrastructure? "Shovel ready jobs"...…

the right wing, Preferred nothing but Repeal; the rich have to get richer and the poor have to get poorer, that is their policy.

So where did all that stimulus money go?

QE

 

[BS Filter]

Whatever, blah, blah, blah. The economy is booming and I'm doing well. Have a nice day.

with unsustainable tax cut policies?

our fleets and our infrastructure are in disrepair.

Don't you remember when Obama spent the stimulus money on infrastructure? "Shovel ready jobs"...…

the right wing, Preferred nothing but Repeal; the rich have to get richer and the poor have to get poorer, that is their policy.

So where did all that stimulus money go?

QE

What is "QE"?