'Missing heat' discovery prompts new estimate of global warming

[Quantum Windbag]

My guess is that I invented more science than you understand.

I didn't know science could be invented.

Don't tell him.

 

[Abraham3]

If it isn't "missing" why are there so many papers pointing out all the places you forgot to look for it?

LOLOL......sooooo totally clueless....

Scientists work with the data and evidence they have. They realized they didn't have enough information about what was happening in the deeper ocean levels so they developed the network of Argo sensors to collect that data. It takes a few years to get enough data for analysis. Now they know that more of the extra heat energy that is building up on Earth has been getting transferred to the lower layers of the oceans below the immediate sub-surface level.

"The Argo Project (named after the ship used by the mythical Greek hero, Jason) is an international effort that will be setting 3,000 sensor-equipped floats adrift in the world's oceans. They are designed to submerge up to 2 kilometers (1.25 miles) beneath the surface, riding with the current for ten days, taking measurements of temperature and salinity. Then, they will automatically resurface to report their findings and position to NASA's aptly-named Jason-1 satellite before submerging, once again, to continue their research. The floats will carry enough power to last for about four years and will sink to the ocean's bottom when their batteries are exhausted."
(source)

Serious question:

If this was never measured before, how do they know that more of the heat is being transferred to lower layers? Perhaps it's been happening all the time.

Perhaps I'm missing something here.

The collected data show a dramatic increase in heat content.

 

[asterism]

LOLOL......sooooo totally clueless....

Scientists work with the data and evidence they have. They realized they didn't have enough information about what was happening in the deeper ocean levels so they developed the network of Argo sensors to collect that data. It takes a few years to get enough data for analysis. Now they know that more of the extra heat energy that is building up on Earth has been getting transferred to the lower layers of the oceans below the immediate sub-surface level.

"The Argo Project (named after the ship used by the mythical Greek hero, Jason) is an international effort that will be setting 3,000 sensor-equipped floats adrift in the world's oceans. They are designed to submerge up to 2 kilometers (1.25 miles) beneath the surface, riding with the current for ten days, taking measurements of temperature and salinity. Then, they will automatically resurface to report their findings and position to NASA's aptly-named Jason-1 satellite before submerging, once again, to continue their research. The floats will carry enough power to last for about four years and will sink to the ocean's bottom when their batteries are exhausted."
(source)

Serious question:

If this was never measured before, how do they know that more of the heat is being transferred to lower layers? Perhaps it's been happening all the time.

Perhaps I'm missing something here.

The collected data show a dramatic increase in heat content.

All 6 years of it?

 

[Abraham3]

Serious question:

If this was never measured before, how do they know that more of the heat is being transferred to lower layers? Perhaps it's been happening all the time.

Perhaps I'm missing something here.

The collected data show a dramatic increase in heat content.

All 6 years of it?

All 45 years of it

 

[CrusaderFrank]

LOLOL......sooooo totally clueless....

Scientists work with the data and evidence they have. They realized they didn't have enough information about what was happening in the deeper ocean levels so they developed the network of Argo sensors to collect that data. It takes a few years to get enough data for analysis. Now they know that more of the extra heat energy that is building up on Earth has been getting transferred to the lower layers of the oceans below the immediate sub-surface level.

"The Argo Project (named after the ship used by the mythical Greek hero, Jason) is an international effort that will be setting 3,000 sensor-equipped floats adrift in the world's oceans. They are designed to submerge up to 2 kilometers (1.25 miles) beneath the surface, riding with the current for ten days, taking measurements of temperature and salinity. Then, they will automatically resurface to report their findings and position to NASA's aptly-named Jason-1 satellite before submerging, once again, to continue their research. The floats will carry enough power to last for about four years and will sink to the ocean's bottom when their batteries are exhausted."
(source)

Serious question:

If this was never measured before, how do they know that more of the heat is being transferred to lower layers? Perhaps it's been happening all the time.

Perhaps I'm missing something here.

The collected data show a dramatic increase in heat content.

The people talking about the data show a lot of drama

 

[Abraham3]

Serious question:

If this was never measured before, how do they know that more of the heat is being transferred to lower layers? Perhaps it's been happening all the time.

Perhaps I'm missing something here.

The collected data show a dramatic increase in heat content.

The people talking about the data show a lot of drama

While Frank displays a significant paucity of objective knowledge on the matter.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

The collected data show a dramatic increase in heat content.

The people talking about the data show a lot of drama

While Frank displays a significant paucity of objective knowledge on the matter.

"Nice! Paucity! I like it!! You keep giving the Deniers Holy Hell, I'll keep taking checks to the bank"

 

[PMZ]

The collected data show a dramatic increase in heat content.

The people talking about the data show a lot of drama

While Frank displays a significant paucity of objective knowledge on the matter.

Nicely put. Unfortunately for the human race, Dunning-Kruger were right. Those with such a paucity are unwilling and unable to detect, distinguish, diagnose, and correct it.

 

[asterism]

The collected data show a dramatic increase in heat content.

All 6 years of it?

All 45 years of it

How did they get the data without the new sensors?

 

[PredFan]

'Missing heat' discovery prompts new estimate of global warming

Observational data on which climate records are based cover only 84 per cent of the planet – with Polar regions and parts of Africa largely excluded.

The new research published in the Quarterly Journal of the Royal Meteorological Society shows that the Arctic is warming at about eight times the pace of the rest of the planet. Previous studies by the UK Met Office based on the HadCRUT4 dataset, which only covers about five-sixths of the globe, suggest that global warming has slowed substantially since 1997. The new research suggests, however, that the addition of the 'missing' data indicates that the rate of warming since 1997 has been two and a half times greater than shown in the Met Office studies. Evidence for the rapid warming of the Arctic includes observations from high latitude weather stations, radiosonde and satellite observations of temperatures in the lower atmosphere and reanalysis of historical data.

Read more at: 'Missing heat' discovery prompts new estimate of global warming

One has to wonder, if climate change deniers are as good at this as they claim (for instance they claim to have determined - not via the scientific method, mind you - that climate scientists are "hiding the decline"), how is it that they missed the heat? Were they "hiding the heat" at the same time they claim climate scientists were "hiding the decline"?

They found some missing heat did they? Kind of the same way that democrats find missing votes in the trunks of cars?

Yeah well we in the real world we found missing polar bears, missing ice caps, missing snow and a whole bunch if cherry picked data used by the AGW believers.

 

[PMZ]

'Missing heat' discovery prompts new estimate of global warming

Observational data on which climate records are based cover only 84 per cent of the planet – with Polar regions and parts of Africa largely excluded.

The new research published in the Quarterly Journal of the Royal Meteorological Society shows that the Arctic is warming at about eight times the pace of the rest of the planet. Previous studies by the UK Met Office based on the HadCRUT4 dataset, which only covers about five-sixths of the globe, suggest that global warming has slowed substantially since 1997. The new research suggests, however, that the addition of the 'missing' data indicates that the rate of warming since 1997 has been two and a half times greater than shown in the Met Office studies. Evidence for the rapid warming of the Arctic includes observations from high latitude weather stations, radiosonde and satellite observations of temperatures in the lower atmosphere and reanalysis of historical data.

Read more at: 'Missing heat' discovery prompts new estimate of global warming

One has to wonder, if climate change deniers are as good at this as they claim (for instance they claim to have determined - not via the scientific method, mind you - that climate scientists are "hiding the decline"), how is it that they missed the heat? Were they "hiding the heat" at the same time they claim climate scientists were "hiding the decline"?

They found some missing heat did they? Kind of the same way that democrats find missing votes in the trunks of cars?

Yeah well we in the real world we found missing polar bears, missing ice caps, missing snow and a whole bunch if cherry picked data used by the AGW believers.

What you have no science to find is the energy caught here every day by increasing atmospheric GHG concentrations, that restrict radiation out into space, while incoming solar energy stays the same.

It has to be here and building. That will continue, and cause warming, until energy balance is restored. There are no other possibilities.

The IPCC is tracking it down with science. You are chasing it with politics.

You have no chance of finding it.

 

[PMZ]

The simplest metaphor for AGW is still the kitchen sink. Water coming in to it from the faucet is analogous to incoming solar energy. Water going down the drain is outgoing long wave radiation into space. The level of the water in the sink is the amount of energy in all earthly systems which climactic temperature is proportional to.

Increasing GHG concentrations slow the drain.

The water level does what the energy does here as a result. It increases until it's higher pressure due to its greater depth, restores the drain rate to the faucet rate, and that's where it stays.

 

[orogenicman]

'Missing heat' discovery prompts new estimate of global warming

Observational data on which climate records are based cover only 84 per cent of the planet – with Polar regions and parts of Africa largely excluded.

The new research published in the Quarterly Journal of the Royal Meteorological Society shows that the Arctic is warming at about eight times the pace of the rest of the planet. Previous studies by the UK Met Office based on the HadCRUT4 dataset, which only covers about five-sixths of the globe, suggest that global warming has slowed substantially since 1997. The new research suggests, however, that the addition of the 'missing' data indicates that the rate of warming since 1997 has been two and a half times greater than shown in the Met Office studies. Evidence for the rapid warming of the Arctic includes observations from high latitude weather stations, radiosonde and satellite observations of temperatures in the lower atmosphere and reanalysis of historical data.

Read more at: 'Missing heat' discovery prompts new estimate of global warming

One has to wonder, if climate change deniers are as good at this as they claim (for instance they claim to have determined - not via the scientific method, mind you - that climate scientists are "hiding the decline"), how is it that they missed the heat? Were they "hiding the heat" at the same time they claim climate scientists were "hiding the decline"?

They found some missing heat did they? Kind of the same way that democrats find missing votes in the trunks of cars?

Yeah well we in the real world we found missing polar bears, missing ice caps, missing snow and a whole bunch if cherry picked data used by the AGW believers.

Erm, you found "missing ice caps"? There are only two on this planet, and we know exactly where they are. Is there any more misdirection you care to share with us, and are you ever planning to address the OP?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

The simplest metaphor for AGW is still the kitchen sink. Water coming in to it from the faucet is analogous to incoming solar energy. Water going down the drain is outgoing long wave radiation into space. The level of the water in the sink is the amount of energy in all earthly systems which climactic temperature is proportional to.

Increasing GHG concentrations slow the drain.

The water level does what the energy does here as a result. It increases until it's higher pressure due to its greater depth, restores the drain rate to the faucet rate, and that's where it stays.

We need to take a plunger to the whole AGW theory

 

[PMZ]

The simplest metaphor for AGW is still the kitchen sink. Water coming in to it from the faucet is analogous to incoming solar energy. Water going down the drain is outgoing long wave radiation into space. The level of the water in the sink is the amount of energy in all earthly systems which climactic temperature is proportional to.

Increasing GHG concentrations slow the drain.

The water level does what the energy does here as a result. It increases until it's higher pressure due to its greater depth, restores the drain rate to the faucet rate, and that's where it stays.

We need to take a plunger to the whole AGW theory

We could ignore it like the animals are but that won't make it stop.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

The simplest metaphor for AGW is still the kitchen sink. Water coming in to it from the faucet is analogous to incoming solar energy. Water going down the drain is outgoing long wave radiation into space. The level of the water in the sink is the amount of energy in all earthly systems which climactic temperature is proportional to.

Increasing GHG concentrations slow the drain.

The water level does what the energy does here as a result. It increases until it's higher pressure due to its greater depth, restores the drain rate to the faucet rate, and that's where it stays.

We need to take a plunger to the whole AGW theory

We could ignore it like the animals are but that won't make it stop.

I thought it was hiding

 

[RollingThunder]

We need to take a plunger to the whole AGW theory

We could ignore it like the animals are but that won't make it stop.

I thought it was hiding

Your brain is still "hiding" or else MIA, CrazyFruitcake. Are you proud of being so clueless and stupid?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

The collected data show a dramatic increase in heat content.

The people talking about the data show a lot of drama

While Frank displays a significant paucity of objective knowledge on the matter.

That might be true, but at least he doesn't look as stupid as the people that believe three contradictory explanations for the lull at the same time.

One says that El Nino induced at peak in warming, and that the current lull is actually an increase because there was no drop after the spike in the 1970s.
The role of ENSO in global ocean temperature changes during 1955?2011 simulated with a 1D climate model - Online First - Springer

Then we have this thread, which says that it is the result of coverage bias. and that, if we ignore the actual data, there has been an increase.
Coverage bias in the HadCRUT4 temperature series and its impact on recent temperature trends - Cowtan - Quarterly Journal of the Royal Meteorological Society - Wiley Online Library

Then we have my personal favorite, the stadium wave theory.
?Stadium Waves? Could Explain Lull In Global Warming

Yet I am a denier because I see the different theories, and refuse to accept whichever paper some idiot stumbles over.

 

[PMZ]

The people talking about the data show a lot of drama

While Frank displays a significant paucity of objective knowledge on the matter.

That might be true, but at least he doesn't look as stupid as the people that believe three contradictory explanations for the lull at the same time.

One says that El Nino induced at peak in warming, and that the current lull is actually an increase because there was no drop after the spike in the 1970s.
The role of ENSO in global ocean temperature changes during 1955?2011 simulated with a 1D climate model - Online First - Springer

Then we have this thread, which says that it is the result of coverage bias. and that, if we ignore the actual data, there has been an increase.
Coverage bias in the HadCRUT4 temperature series and its impact on recent temperature trends - Cowtan - Quarterly Journal of the Royal Meteorological Society - Wiley Online Library

Then we have my personal favorite, the stadium wave theory.
?Stadium Waves? Could Explain Lull In Global Warming

Yet I am a denier because I see the different theories, and refuse to accept whichever paper some idiot stumbles over.

There is nobody with any scientific background that denies AGW.

All of the science now is going into when and how will the energy that is here, caused GHGs, going to manifest itself in what it must, higher climactic temperatures.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

While Frank displays a significant paucity of objective knowledge on the matter.

That might be true, but at least he doesn't look as stupid as the people that believe three contradictory explanations for the lull at the same time.

One says that El Nino induced at peak in warming, and that the current lull is actually an increase because there was no drop after the spike in the 1970s.
The role of ENSO in global ocean temperature changes during 1955?2011 simulated with a 1D climate model - Online First - Springer

Then we have this thread, which says that it is the result of coverage bias. and that, if we ignore the actual data, there has been an increase.
Coverage bias in the HadCRUT4 temperature series and its impact on recent temperature trends - Cowtan - Quarterly Journal of the Royal Meteorological Society - Wiley Online Library

Then we have my personal favorite, the stadium wave theory.
?Stadium Waves? Could Explain Lull In Global Warming

Yet I am a denier because I see the different theories, and refuse to accept whichever paper some idiot stumbles over.

There is nobody with any scientific background that denies AGW.

All of the science now is going into when and how will the energy that is here, caused GHGs, going to manifest itself in what it must, higher climactic temperatures.

There are plenty of people with a scientific background that question the hoopla surrounding climate change, anyone that says otherwise is an idiot.