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Someone should explain to Mangy Mitch Daniels that he'd have to amend the Constitution if he wants to start abolishing unions.
Put that in your platform GOP'ers.
Someone should explain to Mangy Mitch Daniels that he'd have to amend the Constitution if he wants to start abolishing unions.
Put that in your platform GOP'ers.
We don't want to abolish all unions. We are only going to abolish "government sector" unions. Sorry, the scam is over.
Stop pretending that the Right isn't against all unions.
You rightwingers don't have a problem with billionaires, but you have a problem with the idea that the guy picking up your garbage, or cleaning your schools, or running your waste water treatment plants, or teaching your children,
might actually be able to make a decent living at it.
Your garbage man has too much money, but Romney doesn't have enough. That's the essence of modern day conservatism.
We don't want to abolish all unions. We are only going to abolish "government sector" unions. Sorry, the scam is over.
Stop pretending that the Right isn't against all unions.
Why does the Left consistently know what the Right thinks?? I lean right, I have no problem with private sector unions. My dad was a union steward.
Someone should explain to Mangy Mitch Daniels that he'd have to amend the Constitution if he wants to start abolishing unions.
Put that in your platform GOP'ers.
We don't want to abolish all unions. We are only going to abolish "government sector" unions. Sorry, the scam is over.
Stop pretending that the Right isn't against all unions.
You Can unionize if you want to but I as an employer don't have to accept your terms and if you walk off the job I have the right to fire your assJoining a union is a right.
I have to ask, how much poorer will the American working class have to get for a consensus of conservatives will say,
"okay, that's enough, we're happy now...."
you're suffering the usual critical thinking fail, they are only a right now in your mind becasue they now exist. public unions- using our funds? right my booty.
the civil service (which had laws before public sector unions showed up btw) survived fine without them for a century and a half, in less than half a century they have shit themselves and wrecked many municipalities ( Detroit, hello) budgets with ,many many more to come...... game over.
The right to unionize is constitutionally protected under the principle of freedom of association, and has been tested and upheld in the Courts.
You Can unionize if you want to but I as an employer don't have to accept your terms and if you walk off the job I have the right to fire your assyou're suffering the usual critical thinking fail, they are only a right now in your mind becasue they now exist. public unions- using our funds? right my booty.
the civil service (which had laws before public sector unions showed up btw) survived fine without them for a century and a half, in less than half a century they have shit themselves and wrecked many municipalities ( Detroit, hello) budgets with ,many many more to come...... game over.
The right to unionize is constitutionally protected under the principle of freedom of association, and has been tested and upheld in the Courts.
You Can unionize if you want to but I as an employer don't have to accept your terms and if you walk off the job I have the right to fire your assThe right to unionize is constitutionally protected under the principle of freedom of association, and has been tested and upheld in the Courts.
Depends on the state, but anyhow, Daniels is crazy if he thinks he can abolish unions without a constitutional amendment.
You Can unionize if you want to but I as an employer don't have to accept your terms and if you walk off the job I have the right to fire your assThe right to unionize is constitutionally protected under the principle of freedom of association, and has been tested and upheld in the Courts.
Depends on the state, but anyhow, Daniels is crazy if he thinks he can abolish unions without a constitutional amendment.
The problem with public employee unions is that both sides of the negotiation are performed by the employees of the government.
No one is representing the people who actually pay the salaries of public employees.
Public unions give money to the very politicians with whom they negotiate contracts. Doesn't anyone else see this obvious conflict of interest?
It's these negotiations that give Mass. State employees 120 hours of sick time a year. That's 3 weeks for those of you who can't understand the math.
Think about it 3 weeks sick time and if you've been a Mass state employee for 10 years you get 4 weeks vacation time, plus 3 personal days plus 13 holidays a year.
That's 9+ weeks off with pay every year.
You don't get deals like that in fair negotiations.
About damn time someone started calling for it. Ironically, this is the stance that FDR, huge supporter of unions, had too. He wouldn't support them in the first place because he foresaw the conflict of interest they would create and the corruption they would bring.
On the heels of Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker's history-making recall victory, the governor of nearby Indiana with his own record of curtailing union benefits suggested public-sector unions are past their prime and should be abolished.
"I think, really, government works better without them," Indiana Gov. Mitch Daniels told "Fox News Sunday," when asked whether public-worker unions should even exist.
Daniels had cracked down on collective bargaining for state workers as soon as he took office in 2005, six years before Walker and his GOP allies in the state legislature started down the same path -- triggering a backlash that forced him to stand for election this past Tuesday. Walker made history as the first governor to survive the recall test, beating Democrat Tom Barrett.
Daniels said that vote should send a message about the problems with public-sector unions.
"I think the message is that, first of all, voters are seeing the fundamental unfairness of government becoming its own special interest group, sitting on both sides of the table," he said.
After Walker victory, Indiana governor suggests public unions should go | Fox News
You Can unionize if you want to but I as an employer don't have to accept your terms and if you walk off the job I have the right to fire your assyou're suffering the usual critical thinking fail, they are only a right now in your mind becasue they now exist. public unions- using our funds? right my booty.
the civil service (which had laws before public sector unions showed up btw) survived fine without them for a century and a half, in less than half a century they have shit themselves and wrecked many municipalities ( Detroit, hello) budgets with ,many many more to come...... game over.
The right to unionize is constitutionally protected under the principle of freedom of association, and has been tested and upheld in the Courts.
The problem with public employee unions is that both sides of the negotiation are performed by the employees of the government.
No one is representing the people who actually pay the salaries of public employees.
Public unions give money to the very politicians with whom they negotiate contracts. Doesn't anyone else see this obvious conflict of interest?
It's these negotiations that give Mass. State employees 120 hours of sick time a year. That's 3 weeks for those of you who can't understand the math.
Think about it 3 weeks sick time and if you've been a Mass state employee for 10 years you get 4 weeks vacation time, plus 3 personal days plus 13 holidays a year.
That's 9+ weeks off with pay every year.
You don't get deals like that in fair negotiations.
Then vote out the idiots that give away the house. We have a right to expect that our elected representatives represent us in a fair manner, and in the end, we hold their fate in our hands. Instead of faulting those whom we elected, we want to take away the rights of workers so they no longer have any opportunity to negotiate a fair contract. It's like liberals wanting to ban soda sales because people choose to drink too much soda. Instead of blaming the people who make the bad choices, we decide it is easier to just ban the soda. And yes, there is a correlation in that example.
You Can unionize if you want to but I as an employer don't have to accept your terms and if you walk off the job I have the right to fire your assThe right to unionize is constitutionally protected under the principle of freedom of association, and has been tested and upheld in the Courts.
Depends on the state, but anyhow, Daniels is crazy if he thinks he can abolish unions without a constitutional amendment.
An employer's right to hire permanent replacement workers to continue operations during a strike has been recognized by the Supreme Court since its Mackay decision in 1938.
You Can unionize if you want to but I as an employer don't have to accept your terms and if you walk off the job I have the right to fire your assThe right to unionize is constitutionally protected under the principle of freedom of association, and has been tested and upheld in the Courts.
Depends on the state, but anyhow, Daniels is crazy if he thinks he can abolish unions without a constitutional amendment.
Public worker unions existed before FDR came along and while he did not support them he recognized their right to exist under the constitution, that's more than we can say about some of these jerks who wave the constitution around all the time without bothering to understand it.
You Can unionize if you want to but I as an employer don't have to accept your terms and if you walk off the job I have the right to fire your assThe right to unionize is constitutionally protected under the principle of freedom of association, and has been tested and upheld in the Courts.
Therein lies the problem.
People freely have the right to associate in unions, but the laws that force employers to recognize them need to go away.
