Modern conservatives sympathizing with The Confederacy... Is this a thing now?

[-S-]

Home rule to enslave others

No other way to define it

Abe Lincoln had quite a bit of other ways to define it. Indeed, for quite a while he denied that he was looking to free the slaves.

Because he knew the Constitution did not allow him that option.

It also didn't allow him the option of raising an army without Congress's approval and then invading a state with it.

The Constitution gave that power to Congress- and Congress passed the Militia Acts of 1792 and 1795- which did allow the President to call out the militias as Lincoln did

The 75,000 man army Lincoln raised was not the state militias. It was paid by the Federal government and reported to the federal government. It was a federal army raised without the permission of Congress and it was sent to invade a state of the union, which is an act of treason.

It's interesting that this 'treasonous' president you so hate is considered by the majority of Americans to one of, if not THE, best presidents we've ever had. I wonder why more people don't see it the way you do..

 

[paperview]

Home rule to enslave others

No other way to define it

Abe Lincoln had quite a bit of other ways to define it. Indeed, for quite a while he denied that he was looking to free the slaves.

Because he knew the Constitution did not allow him that option.

It also didn't allow him the option of raising an army without Congress's approval and then invading a state with it.

The Constitution gave that power to Congress- and Congress passed the Militia Acts of 1792 and 1795- which did allow the President to call out the militias as Lincoln did

The 75,000 man army Lincoln raised was not the state militias. It was paid by the Federal government and reported to the federal government. It was a federal army raised without the permission of Congress and it was sent to invade a state of the union, which is an act of treason.

BY THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES:

A PROCLAMATION

WHEREAS the laws of the United States have been, for some time past, and now are opposed, and the execution thereof obstructed, in the States of South Carolina, Georgia, Alabama, Florida, Mississippi, Louisiana, and Texas, by combinations too powerful to be suppressed by the ordinary course of judicial proceedings, or by the powers vested in the marshals by law.

Now, therefore, I, ABRAHAM LINCOLN, President of the United States, in virtue of the power in me vested by the Constitution and the laws, have thought fit to call forth, and hereby do call forth, the militia of the several States of the Union, to the aggregate number of seventy-five thousand, in order to suppress said combinations, and to cause the laws to be duly executed.

The details for this object will be immediately communicated to the State authorities through the War Department.

I appeal to all loyal citizens to favor, facilitate, and aid this effort to maintain the honor, the integrity, and the existence of our National Union, and the perpetuity of popular government; and to redress wrongs already long enough endured. I deem it proper to say that the first service assigned to the forces hereby called forth will probably be to repossess the forts, places, and property which have been seized from the Union; and in every event, the utmost care will be observed, consistently with the objects aforesaid, to avoid any devastation, any destruction of, or interference with, property, or any disturbance of peaceful citizens in any part of the country.

And I hereby command the persons composing the combinations aforesaid to disperse, and retire peaceably to their respective abodes within twenty days from this date.

Deeming that the present condition of public affairs presents an extraordinary occasion, I do hereby, in virtue of the power in me vested by the Constitution, convene both Houses of Congress. Senators and Representatives are therefore summoned to assemble at their respective chambers, at twelve o'clock, noon, on Thursdays the fourth day of July next, then and there to consider and determine such measures as, in their wisdom, the public safety and interest may seem to demand.

By the President:ABRAHAM LINCOLN
Secretary of State WILLIAM H. SEWARD

 

[bripat9643]

Abe Lincoln had quite a bit of other ways to define it. Indeed, for quite a while he denied that he was looking to free the slaves.

Because he knew the Constitution did not allow him that option.

It also didn't allow him the option of raising an army without Congress's approval and then invading a state with it.

The Constitution gave that power to Congress- and Congress passed the Militia Acts of 1792 and 1795- which did allow the President to call out the militias as Lincoln did

The 75,000 man army Lincoln raised was not the state militias. It was paid by the Federal government and reported to the federal government. It was a federal army raised without the permission of Congress and it was sent to invade a state of the union, which is an act of treason.

It's interesting that this 'treasonous' president you so hate is considered by the majority of Americans to one of, if not THE, best presidents we've ever had. I wonder why more people don't see it the way you do..

They've all been brainwashed in government schools. Did you know that children in Japan don't know a thing about the rape of Nanking or the comfort women of Korea?

That's the kind of ignorance that results when government writes your history books.

 

[-S-]

Abe Lincoln had quite a bit of other ways to define it. Indeed, for quite a while he denied that he was looking to free the slaves.

Because he knew the Constitution did not allow him that option.

It also didn't allow him the option of raising an army without Congress's approval and then invading a state with it.

The Constitution gave that power to Congress- and Congress passed the Militia Acts of 1792 and 1795- which did allow the President to call out the militias as Lincoln did

The 75,000 man army Lincoln raised was not the state militias. It was paid by the Federal government and reported to the federal government. It was a federal army raised without the permission of Congress and it was sent to invade a state of the union, which is an act of treason.

BY THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES:

A PROCLAMATION

WHEREAS the laws of the United States have been, for some time past, and now are opposed, and the execution thereof obstructed, in the States of South Carolina, Georgia, Alabama, Florida, Mississippi, Louisiana, and Texas, by combinations too powerful to be suppressed by the ordinary course of judicial proceedings, or by the powers vested in the marshals by law.

Now, therefore, I, ABRAHAM LINCOLN, President of the United States, in virtue of the power in me vested by the Constitution and the laws, have thought fit to call forth, and hereby do call forth, the militia of the several States of the Union, to the aggregate number of seventy-five thousand, in order to suppress said combinations, and to cause the laws to be duly executed.

The details for this object will be immediately communicated to the State authorities through the War Department.

I appeal to all loyal citizens to favor, facilitate, and aid this effort to maintain the honor, the integrity, and the existence of our National Union, and the perpetuity of popular government; and to redress wrongs already long enough endured. I deem it proper to say that the first service assigned to the forces hereby called forth will probably be to repossess the forts, places, and property which have been seized from the Union; and in every event, the utmost care will be observed, consistently with the objects aforesaid, to avoid any devastation, any destruction of, or interference with, property, or any disturbance of peaceful citizens in any part of the country.

And I hereby command the persons composing the combinations aforesaid to disperse, and retire peaceably to their respective abodes within twenty days from this date.

Deeming that the present condition of public affairs presents an extraordinary occasion, I do hereby, in virtue of the power in me vested by the Constitution, convene both Houses of Congress. Senators and Representatives are therefore summoned to assemble at their respective chambers, at twelve o'clock, noon, on Thursdays the fourth day of July next, then and there to consider and determine such measures as, in their wisdom, the public safety and interest may seem to demand.

By the President:ABRAHAM LINCOLN
Secretary of State WILLIAM H. SEWARD

Bripat: "Gibberish."


I'm calling it.

 

[Mr.Right]

Home rule to enslave others

No other way to define it

Abe Lincoln had quite a bit of other ways to define it. Indeed, for quite a while he denied that he was looking to free the slaves.

Because he knew the Constitution did not allow him that option.

It also didn't allow him the option of raising an army without Congress's approval and then invading a state with it.

The Constitution gave that power to Congress- and Congress passed the Militia Acts of 1792 and 1795- which did allow the President to call out the militias as Lincoln did

The 75,000 man army Lincoln raised was not the state militias. It was paid by the Federal government and reported to the federal government. It was a federal army raised without the permission of Congress and it was sent to invade a state of the union, which is an act of treason.

I believe that these fools are supporting Lincolns actions, because they see a time when it may be necessary for a future democratic president to do the same. They'll be able to point out a precedent for their unlawful actions.

 

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Because he knew the Constitution did not allow him that option.

It also didn't allow him the option of raising an army without Congress's approval and then invading a state with it.

The Constitution gave that power to Congress- and Congress passed the Militia Acts of 1792 and 1795- which did allow the President to call out the militias as Lincoln did

The 75,000 man army Lincoln raised was not the state militias. It was paid by the Federal government and reported to the federal government. It was a federal army raised without the permission of Congress and it was sent to invade a state of the union, which is an act of treason.

It's interesting that this 'treasonous' president you so hate is considered by the majority of Americans to one of, if not THE, best presidents we've ever had. I wonder why more people don't see it the way you do..

They've all been brainwashed in government schools. Did you know that children in Japan don't know a thing about the rape of Nanking or the comfort women of Korea?

That's the kind of ignorance that results when government writes your history books.

I love how you so casually compare our American government to the governments of Japan and North Korea..

Maybe that's why you're always alone in your opinions.

 

[Siete]

Abe Lincoln had quite a bit of other ways to define it. Indeed, for quite a while he denied that he was looking to free the slaves.

Because he knew the Constitution did not allow him that option.

It also didn't allow him the option of raising an army without Congress's approval and then invading a state with it.

The Constitution gave that power to Congress- and Congress passed the Militia Acts of 1792 and 1795- which did allow the President to call out the militias as Lincoln did

The 75,000 man army Lincoln raised was not the state militias. It was paid by the Federal government and reported to the federal government. It was a federal army raised without the permission of Congress and it was sent to invade a state of the union, which is an act of treason.

It's interesting that this 'treasonous' president you so hate is considered by the majority of Americans to one of, if not THE, best presidents we've ever had. I wonder why more people don't see it the way you do..

the majority sees it one way the minority sees it another way, so the majority has been brainwashed ... RW logic.

LMAO ...

 

[JQPublic1]

If Lincoln had not been assassinated we would not have African Americans today. It was his intention to round them up and return all of them to Africa. As it was he removed hundreds.

Abraham Lincoln wanted to deport slaves to new colonies - Telegraph

That was bullshit

It was never a practical option

That is not the point silly senior dude.

The point is, which sadly I must spell it out for you due to you lack of...something, Lincoln considered deporting all blacks and hoped to get it accomplished in his second term. It was not practical, but it should tell you something about your beloved Dishonest Abe, but you being you, I have no hope.

Actually, the country of Liberia was formed for free slaves

Lincoln understood what bunch of racist assholes existed in the south and doubted if blacks could ever be "free" there. As it is, Lincoln was right and it took force 100 years later to finally give blacks freedom in the south

ROFL! So Lincoln's plan to send them back to Africa was to protect them from American racists? I've got news for you, bub, Lincoln was a white supremacist:

“I will say, then, that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races—that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of making voters or jurors of Negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this, that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I, as much as any other man, am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race.”

Abraham Lincoln, Charlston IL, 1858​

If Lincoln had not been assassinated we would not have African Americans today. It was his intention to round them up and return all of them to Africa. As it was he removed hundreds.

Abraham Lincoln wanted to deport slaves to new colonies - Telegraph

That was bullshit

It was never a practical option

That is not the point silly senior dude.

The point is, which sadly I must spell it out for you due to you lack of...something, Lincoln considered deporting all blacks and hoped to get it accomplished in his second term. It was not practical, but it should tell you something about your beloved Dishonest Abe, but you being you, I have no hope.

Actually, the country of Liberia was formed for free slaves

Lincoln understood what bunch of racist assholes existed in the south and doubted if blacks could ever be "free" there. As it is, Lincoln was right and it took force 100 years later to finally give blacks freedom in the south

ROFL! So Lincoln's plan to send them back to Africa was to protect them from American racists? I've got news for you, bub, Lincoln was a white supremacist:

“I will say, then, that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races—that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of making voters or jurors of Negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this, that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I, as much as any other man, am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race.”

Abraham Lincoln, Charlston IL, 1858​

:ROFLOL:

Lincoln said that in 1858. He changed! After attaining the presidency and dealing with the Southern Bahs-turds, his speeches were positively geared towards Black suffrage in postbellum America.

Some twelve thousand voters in the heretofore slave-state of Louisiana have sworn allegiance to the Union, assumed to be the rightful political power of the State, held elections, organized a State government, adopted a free-state constitution, giving the benefit of public schools equally to black and white, and empowering the Legislature to confer the elective franchise upon the colored man. Their Legislature has already voted to ratify the constitutional amendment recently passed by Congress, abolishing slavery throughout the nation. These twelve thousand persons are thus fully committed to the Union, and to perpetual freedom in the state--committed to the very things, and nearly all the things the nation wants--and they ask the nations recognition and it's assistance to make good their committal. Now, if we reject, and spurn them, we do our utmost to disorganize and disperse them. We in effect say to the white men "You are worthless, or worse--we will neither help you, nor be helped by you." To the blacks we say "This cup of liberty which these, your old masters, hold to your lips, we will dash from you, and leave you to the chances of gathering the spilled and scattered contents in some vague and undefined when, where, and how." If this course, discouraging and paralyzing both white and black, has any tendency to bring Louisiana into proper practical relations with the Union, I have, so far, been unable to perceive it. If, on the contrary, we recognize, and sustain the new government of Louisiana the converse of all this is made true. We encourage the hearts, and nerve the arms of the twelve thousand to adhere to their work, and argue for it, and proselyte for it, and fight for it, and feed it, and grow it, and ripen it to a complete success. The colored man too, in seeing all united for him, is inspired with vigilance, and energy, and daring, to the same end. Grant that he desires the elective franchise, will he not attain it sooner by saving the already advanced steps toward it, than by running backward over them? Concede that the new government of Louisiana is only to what it should be as the egg is to the fowl, we shall sooner have the fowl by hatching the egg than by smashing it? Again, if we reject Louisiana, we also reject one vote in favor of the proposed amendment to the national Constitution. To meet this proposition, it has been argued that no more than three fourths of those States which have not attempted secession are necessary to validly ratify the amendment. I do not commit myself against this, further than to say that such a ratification would be questionable, and sure to be persistently questioned; while a ratification by three-fourths of all the States would be unquestioned and unquestionable.

Abraham Lincoln- April 11, 1865-

 

[bripat9643]

Abe Lincoln had quite a bit of other ways to define it. Indeed, for quite a while he denied that he was looking to free the slaves.

Because he knew the Constitution did not allow him that option.

It also didn't allow him the option of raising an army without Congress's approval and then invading a state with it.

The Constitution gave that power to Congress- and Congress passed the Militia Acts of 1792 and 1795- which did allow the President to call out the militias as Lincoln did

The 75,000 man army Lincoln raised was not the state militias. It was paid by the Federal government and reported to the federal government. It was a federal army raised without the permission of Congress and it was sent to invade a state of the union, which is an act of treason.

BY THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES:

A PROCLAMATION

WHEREAS the laws of the United States have been, for some time past, and now are opposed, and the execution thereof obstructed, in the States of South Carolina, Georgia, Alabama, Florida, Mississippi, Louisiana, and Texas, by combinations too powerful to be suppressed by the ordinary course of judicial proceedings, or by the powers vested in the marshals by law.

Now, therefore, I, ABRAHAM LINCOLN, President of the United States, in virtue of the power in me vested by the Constitution and the laws, have thought fit to call forth, and hereby do call forth, the militia of the several States of the Union, to the aggregate number of seventy-five thousand, in order to suppress said combinations, and to cause the laws to be duly executed.

The details for this object will be immediately communicated to the State authorities through the War Department.

I appeal to all loyal citizens to favor, facilitate, and aid this effort to maintain the honor, the integrity, and the existence of our National Union, and the perpetuity of popular government; and to redress wrongs already long enough endured. I deem it proper to say that the first service assigned to the forces hereby called forth will probably be to repossess the forts, places, and property which have been seized from the Union; and in every event, the utmost care will be observed, consistently with the objects aforesaid, to avoid any devastation, any destruction of, or interference with, property, or any disturbance of peaceful citizens in any part of the country.

And I hereby command the persons composing the combinations aforesaid to disperse, and retire peaceably to their respective abodes within twenty days from this date.

Deeming that the present condition of public affairs presents an extraordinary occasion, I do hereby, in virtue of the power in me vested by the Constitution, convene both Houses of Congress. Senators and Representatives are therefore summoned to assemble at their respective chambers, at twelve o'clock, noon, on Thursdays the fourth day of July next, then and there to consider and determine such measures as, in their wisdom, the public safety and interest may seem to demand.

By the President:ABRAHAM LINCOLN
Secretary of State WILLIAM H. SEWARD

You may be correct about that. However, he still had no permission from Congress to invade a State of the Union.

 

[bripat9643]

Because he knew the Constitution did not allow him that option.

It also didn't allow him the option of raising an army without Congress's approval and then invading a state with it.

The Constitution gave that power to Congress- and Congress passed the Militia Acts of 1792 and 1795- which did allow the President to call out the militias as Lincoln did

The 75,000 man army Lincoln raised was not the state militias. It was paid by the Federal government and reported to the federal government. It was a federal army raised without the permission of Congress and it was sent to invade a state of the union, which is an act of treason.

It's interesting that this 'treasonous' president you so hate is considered by the majority of Americans to one of, if not THE, best presidents we've ever had. I wonder why more people don't see it the way you do..

the majority sees it one way the minority sees it another way, so the majority has been brainwashed ... RW logic.

LMAO ...

The facts demonstrate that the majority is brainwashed.

 

[Syriusly]

Have you read the secession papers? Every last one of them stated slavery as the reason for secession.

Furthermore, I might add that the Confederate Constitution allowed for the admission of free states into the Confederacy and banned the overseas slave trade. Additionally, in late 1864 the Confederacy began to move toward gradual emancipation, and in early 1865 the Confederate Congress passed a hotly debated bill that began the process of emancipation. If that bill had had time to have its full effect, it would have spelled the end of slavery, but the war ended a couple months after the bill was passed.

The Confederate Constitution forbade the importation of African slaves- except it explicitly allowed for the importation of slaves from other slave states.

Article I Section 9(1)
The importation of negroes of the African race from any foreign country, other than the slaveholding States or Territories of the United States of America, is hereby forbidden; and Congress is required to pass such laws as shall effectually prevent the same.[14]
Specifically guaranteed the rights of slave owners to transit legally with their slaves in the CSA


Article IV Section 2(1)
The citizens of each State shall be entitled to all the privileges and immunities of citizens in the several States; and shall have the right of transit and sojourn in any State of this Confederacy, with their slaves and other property; and the right of property in said slaves shall not be thereby impaired.[31
And specifically guaranteed slavery in the territories

Article IV Section 3(3)
The Confederate States may acquire new territory; and Congress shall have power to legislate and provide governments for the inhabitants of all territory belonging to the Confederate States, lying without the limits of the several states; and may permit them, at such times, and in such manner as it may by law provide, to form states to be admitted into the Confederacy. In all such territory, the institution of negro slavery as it now exists in the Confederate States, shall be recognized and protected by Congress, and by the territorial government: and the inhabitants of the several Confederate States and Territories, shall have the right to take to such territory any slaves lawfully held by them in any of the states or territories of the Confederate states

And as for Emancipation? More like a last desperate move than the start of a trend...

The final session of the Confederate Congress adjourned on March 18, 1865. That month, one of its final acts was the passage of a law allowing for the emancipation and military induction of any slave willing to fight for the Confederacy. This measure had originally been proposed by Patrick Cleburne a year earlier but met stiff opposition until the final months of the war, when it was endorsed by Robert E. Lee

 

[Syriusly]

It also didn't allow him the option of raising an army without Congress's approval and then invading a state with it.

The Constitution gave that power to Congress- and Congress passed the Militia Acts of 1792 and 1795- which did allow the President to call out the militias as Lincoln did

The 75,000 man army Lincoln raised was not the state militias. It was paid by the Federal government and reported to the federal government. It was a federal army raised without the permission of Congress and it was sent to invade a state of the union, which is an act of treason.

It's interesting that this 'treasonous' president you so hate is considered by the majority of Americans to one of, if not THE, best presidents we've ever had. I wonder why more people don't see it the way you do..

the majority sees it one way the minority sees it another way, so the majority has been brainwashed ... RW logic.

LMAO ...

The facts demonstrate that the majority is brainwashed.

LOL....yeah- thats the ticket- everyone but you is 'brainwashed'- you alone are the one able to see the truth........

Yeah- thats the ticket....

 

[paperview]

Because he knew the Constitution did not allow him that option.

It also didn't allow him the option of raising an army without Congress's approval and then invading a state with it.

The Constitution gave that power to Congress- and Congress passed the Militia Acts of 1792 and 1795- which did allow the President to call out the militias as Lincoln did

The 75,000 man army Lincoln raised was not the state militias. It was paid by the Federal government and reported to the federal government. It was a federal army raised without the permission of Congress and it was sent to invade a state of the union, which is an act of treason.

BY THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES:

A PROCLAMATION

WHEREAS the laws of the United States have been, for some time past, and now are opposed, and the execution thereof obstructed, in the States of South Carolina, Georgia, Alabama, Florida, Mississippi, Louisiana, and Texas, by combinations too powerful to be suppressed by the ordinary course of judicial proceedings, or by the powers vested in the marshals by law.

Now, therefore, I, ABRAHAM LINCOLN, President of the United States, in virtue of the power in me vested by the Constitution and the laws, have thought fit to call forth, and hereby do call forth, the militia of the several States of the Union, to the aggregate number of seventy-five thousand, in order to suppress said combinations, and to cause the laws to be duly executed.

The details for this object will be immediately communicated to the State authorities through the War Department.

I appeal to all loyal citizens to favor, facilitate, and aid this effort to maintain the honor, the integrity, and the existence of our National Union, and the perpetuity of popular government; and to redress wrongs already long enough endured. I deem it proper to say that the first service assigned to the forces hereby called forth will probably be to repossess the forts, places, and property which have been seized from the Union; and in every event, the utmost care will be observed, consistently with the objects aforesaid, to avoid any devastation, any destruction of, or interference with, property, or any disturbance of peaceful citizens in any part of the country.

And I hereby command the persons composing the combinations aforesaid to disperse, and retire peaceably to their respective abodes within twenty days from this date.

Deeming that the present condition of public affairs presents an extraordinary occasion, I do hereby, in virtue of the power in me vested by the Constitution, convene both Houses of Congress. Senators and Representatives are therefore summoned to assemble at their respective chambers, at twelve o'clock, noon, on Thursdays the fourth day of July next, then and there to consider and determine such measures as, in their wisdom, the public safety and interest may seem to demand.

By the President:ABRAHAM LINCOLN
Secretary of State WILLIAM H. SEWARD

You may be correct about that. However, he still had no permission from Congress to invade a State of the Union.

Yeah, I'm correct about that and you're wrong.

& The Constitution gave him that permission, neo-confed.

 

[bripat9643]

If Lincoln had not been assassinated we would not have African Americans today. It was his intention to round them up and return all of them to Africa. As it was he removed hundreds.

Abraham Lincoln wanted to deport slaves to new colonies - Telegraph

That was bullshit

It was never a practical option

That is not the point silly senior dude.

The point is, which sadly I must spell it out for you due to you lack of...something, Lincoln considered deporting all blacks and hoped to get it accomplished in his second term. It was not practical, but it should tell you something about your beloved Dishonest Abe, but you being you, I have no hope.

Actually, the country of Liberia was formed for free slaves

Lincoln understood what bunch of racist assholes existed in the south and doubted if blacks could ever be "free" there. As it is, Lincoln was right and it took force 100 years later to finally give blacks freedom in the south

ROFL! So Lincoln's plan to send them back to Africa was to protect them from American racists? I've got news for you, bub, Lincoln was a white supremacist:

“I will say, then, that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races—that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of making voters or jurors of Negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this, that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I, as much as any other man, am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race.”

Abraham Lincoln, Charlston IL, 1858​

If Lincoln had not been assassinated we would not have African Americans today. It was his intention to round them up and return all of them to Africa. As it was he removed hundreds.

Abraham Lincoln wanted to deport slaves to new colonies - Telegraph

That was bullshit

It was never a practical option

That is not the point silly senior dude.

The point is, which sadly I must spell it out for you due to you lack of...something, Lincoln considered deporting all blacks and hoped to get it accomplished in his second term. It was not practical, but it should tell you something about your beloved Dishonest Abe, but you being you, I have no hope.

Actually, the country of Liberia was formed for free slaves

Lincoln understood what bunch of racist assholes existed in the south and doubted if blacks could ever be "free" there. As it is, Lincoln was right and it took force 100 years later to finally give blacks freedom in the south

ROFL! So Lincoln's plan to send them back to Africa was to protect them from American racists? I've got news for you, bub, Lincoln was a white supremacist:

“I will say, then, that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races—that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of making voters or jurors of Negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this, that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I, as much as any other man, am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race.”

Abraham Lincoln, Charlston IL, 1858​

:ROFLOL:

Lincoln said that in 1858. He changed! After attaining the presidency and dealing with the Southern Bahs-turds, his speeches were positively geared towards Black suffrage in postbellum America.

Some twelve thousand voters in the heretofore slave-state of Louisiana have sworn allegiance to the Union, assumed to be the rightful political power of the State, held elections, organized a State government, adopted a free-state constitution, giving the benefit of public schools equally to black and white, and empowering the Legislature to confer the elective franchise upon the colored man. Their Legislature has already voted to ratify the constitutional amendment recently passed by Congress, abolishing slavery throughout the nation. These twelve thousand persons are thus fully committed to the Union, and to perpetual freedom in the state--committed to the very things, and nearly all the things the nation wants--and they ask the nations recognition and it's assistance to make good their committal. Now, if we reject, and spurn them, we do our utmost to disorganize and disperse them. We in effect say to the white men "You are worthless, or worse--we will neither help you, nor be helped by you." To the blacks we say "This cup of liberty which these, your old masters, hold to your lips, we will dash from you, and leave you to the chances of gathering the spilled and scattered contents in some vague and undefined when, where, and how." If this course, discouraging and paralyzing both white and black, has any tendency to bring Louisiana into proper practical relations with the Union, I have, so far, been unable to perceive it. If, on the contrary, we recognize, and sustain the new government of Louisiana the converse of all this is made true. We encourage the hearts, and nerve the arms of the twelve thousand to adhere to their work, and argue for it, and proselyte for it, and fight for it, and feed it, and grow it, and ripen it to a complete success. The colored man too, in seeing all united for him, is inspired with vigilance, and energy, and daring, to the same end. Grant that he desires the elective franchise, will he not attain it sooner by saving the already advanced steps toward it, than by running backward over them? Concede that the new government of Louisiana is only to what it should be as the egg is to the fowl, we shall sooner have the fowl by hatching the egg than by smashing it? Again, if we reject Louisiana, we also reject one vote in favor of the proposed amendment to the national Constitution. To meet this proposition, it has been argued that no more than three fourths of those States which have not attempted secession are necessary to validly ratify the amendment. I do not commit myself against this, further than to say that such a ratification would be questionable, and sure to be persistently questioned; while a ratification by three-fourths of all the States would be unquestioned and unquestionable.

Abraham Lincoln- April 11, 1865-

All he did is describe what the state legislature of Louisiana had approved. He didn't express his personal approval or disapproval of the measure.

 

[paperview]

The Confederate Constitution forbade the importation of African slaves- except it explicitly allowed for the importation of slaves from other slave states.
...

The South had no problem with banning the overseas slave trade. They were breeding them here. More money to be made.

Didn't want outside competition.

Mike ""good aspects of slavery" Griffith pulls that up as if it's some point of honor. He's a mess.

Truly.

 

[bripat9643]

It also didn't allow him the option of raising an army without Congress's approval and then invading a state with it.

The Constitution gave that power to Congress- and Congress passed the Militia Acts of 1792 and 1795- which did allow the President to call out the militias as Lincoln did

The 75,000 man army Lincoln raised was not the state militias. It was paid by the Federal government and reported to the federal government. It was a federal army raised without the permission of Congress and it was sent to invade a state of the union, which is an act of treason.

BY THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES:

A PROCLAMATION

WHEREAS the laws of the United States have been, for some time past, and now are opposed, and the execution thereof obstructed, in the States of South Carolina, Georgia, Alabama, Florida, Mississippi, Louisiana, and Texas, by combinations too powerful to be suppressed by the ordinary course of judicial proceedings, or by the powers vested in the marshals by law.

Now, therefore, I, ABRAHAM LINCOLN, President of the United States, in virtue of the power in me vested by the Constitution and the laws, have thought fit to call forth, and hereby do call forth, the militia of the several States of the Union, to the aggregate number of seventy-five thousand, in order to suppress said combinations, and to cause the laws to be duly executed.

The details for this object will be immediately communicated to the State authorities through the War Department.

I appeal to all loyal citizens to favor, facilitate, and aid this effort to maintain the honor, the integrity, and the existence of our National Union, and the perpetuity of popular government; and to redress wrongs already long enough endured. I deem it proper to say that the first service assigned to the forces hereby called forth will probably be to repossess the forts, places, and property which have been seized from the Union; and in every event, the utmost care will be observed, consistently with the objects aforesaid, to avoid any devastation, any destruction of, or interference with, property, or any disturbance of peaceful citizens in any part of the country.

And I hereby command the persons composing the combinations aforesaid to disperse, and retire peaceably to their respective abodes within twenty days from this date.

Deeming that the present condition of public affairs presents an extraordinary occasion, I do hereby, in virtue of the power in me vested by the Constitution, convene both Houses of Congress. Senators and Representatives are therefore summoned to assemble at their respective chambers, at twelve o'clock, noon, on Thursdays the fourth day of July next, then and there to consider and determine such measures as, in their wisdom, the public safety and interest may seem to demand.

By the President:ABRAHAM LINCOLN
Secretary of State WILLIAM H. SEWARD

You may be correct about that. However, he still had no permission from Congress to invade a State of the Union.

Yeah, I'm correct about that and you're wrong.

& The Constitution gave him that permission, neo-confed.

It gave him permission to raise the militia, not to invade Virginia, Stalinist bootlicker.

Your screed about New York turned out to be total bullshit, didn't it?

 

[bripat9643]

The Confederate Constitution forbade the importation of African slaves- except it explicitly allowed for the importation of slaves from other slave states.
...

The South had no problem with banning the overseas slave trade. They were breeding them here. More money to be made.

Didn't want outside competition.

That's because the slave trade was head quartered in New England.

 

[-S-]

The Constitution gave that power to Congress- and Congress passed the Militia Acts of 1792 and 1795- which did allow the President to call out the militias as Lincoln did

The 75,000 man army Lincoln raised was not the state militias. It was paid by the Federal government and reported to the federal government. It was a federal army raised without the permission of Congress and it was sent to invade a state of the union, which is an act of treason.

BY THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES:

A PROCLAMATION

WHEREAS the laws of the United States have been, for some time past, and now are opposed, and the execution thereof obstructed, in the States of South Carolina, Georgia, Alabama, Florida, Mississippi, Louisiana, and Texas, by combinations too powerful to be suppressed by the ordinary course of judicial proceedings, or by the powers vested in the marshals by law.

Now, therefore, I, ABRAHAM LINCOLN, President of the United States, in virtue of the power in me vested by the Constitution and the laws, have thought fit to call forth, and hereby do call forth, the militia of the several States of the Union, to the aggregate number of seventy-five thousand, in order to suppress said combinations, and to cause the laws to be duly executed.

The details for this object will be immediately communicated to the State authorities through the War Department.

I appeal to all loyal citizens to favor, facilitate, and aid this effort to maintain the honor, the integrity, and the existence of our National Union, and the perpetuity of popular government; and to redress wrongs already long enough endured. I deem it proper to say that the first service assigned to the forces hereby called forth will probably be to repossess the forts, places, and property which have been seized from the Union; and in every event, the utmost care will be observed, consistently with the objects aforesaid, to avoid any devastation, any destruction of, or interference with, property, or any disturbance of peaceful citizens in any part of the country.

And I hereby command the persons composing the combinations aforesaid to disperse, and retire peaceably to their respective abodes within twenty days from this date.

Deeming that the present condition of public affairs presents an extraordinary occasion, I do hereby, in virtue of the power in me vested by the Constitution, convene both Houses of Congress. Senators and Representatives are therefore summoned to assemble at their respective chambers, at twelve o'clock, noon, on Thursdays the fourth day of July next, then and there to consider and determine such measures as, in their wisdom, the public safety and interest may seem to demand.

By the President:ABRAHAM LINCOLN
Secretary of State WILLIAM H. SEWARD

You may be correct about that. However, he still had no permission from Congress to invade a State of the Union.

Yeah, I'm correct about that and you're wrong.

& The Constitution gave him that permission, neo-confed.

It gave him permission to raise the militia, not to invade Virginia, Stalinist asshole.

I love how anyone that disagrees with you on anything at all is automatically declared a lover of Hitler and/or Stalin


You're one of my favorite members here, simply because you are so ludicrous.

 

[paperview]

The Constitution gave that power to Congress- and Congress passed the Militia Acts of 1792 and 1795- which did allow the President to call out the militias as Lincoln did

The 75,000 man army Lincoln raised was not the state militias. It was paid by the Federal government and reported to the federal government. It was a federal army raised without the permission of Congress and it was sent to invade a state of the union, which is an act of treason.

BY THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES:

A PROCLAMATION

WHEREAS the laws of the United States have been, for some time past, and now are opposed, and the execution thereof obstructed, in the States of South Carolina, Georgia, Alabama, Florida, Mississippi, Louisiana, and Texas, by combinations too powerful to be suppressed by the ordinary course of judicial proceedings, or by the powers vested in the marshals by law.

Now, therefore, I, ABRAHAM LINCOLN, President of the United States, in virtue of the power in me vested by the Constitution and the laws, have thought fit to call forth, and hereby do call forth, the militia of the several States of the Union, to the aggregate number of seventy-five thousand, in order to suppress said combinations, and to cause the laws to be duly executed.

The details for this object will be immediately communicated to the State authorities through the War Department.

I appeal to all loyal citizens to favor, facilitate, and aid this effort to maintain the honor, the integrity, and the existence of our National Union, and the perpetuity of popular government; and to redress wrongs already long enough endured. I deem it proper to say that the first service assigned to the forces hereby called forth will probably be to repossess the forts, places, and property which have been seized from the Union; and in every event, the utmost care will be observed, consistently with the objects aforesaid, to avoid any devastation, any destruction of, or interference with, property, or any disturbance of peaceful citizens in any part of the country.

And I hereby command the persons composing the combinations aforesaid to disperse, and retire peaceably to their respective abodes within twenty days from this date.

Deeming that the present condition of public affairs presents an extraordinary occasion, I do hereby, in virtue of the power in me vested by the Constitution, convene both Houses of Congress. Senators and Representatives are therefore summoned to assemble at their respective chambers, at twelve o'clock, noon, on Thursdays the fourth day of July next, then and there to consider and determine such measures as, in their wisdom, the public safety and interest may seem to demand.

By the President:ABRAHAM LINCOLN
Secretary of State WILLIAM H. SEWARD

You may be correct about that. However, he still had no permission from Congress to invade a State of the Union.

Yeah, I'm correct about that and you're wrong.

& The Constitution gave him that permission, neo-confed.

It gave him permission to raise the militia, not to invade Virginia, Stalinist bootlicker.

Your screed about New York turned out to be total bullshit, didn't it?

The Confederate Constitution forbade the importation of African slaves- except it explicitly allowed for the importation of slaves from other slave states.
...

The South had no problem with banning the overseas slave trade. They were breeding them here. More money to be made.

Didn't want outside competition.

That's because the slave trade was head quartered in New England.

Bullshit.

South Carolina baby. Major slave port. Where your beloved slavemasters did a whole lot of auctioning.


Then they bred them down home. Right here.

After the slaveholder had the shot at raping the women, they forced the best and strongest to "breed."

 

[jillian]

I've seen at least three conservatives on this site talk about how Lincoln and the Union were wrong, and that the Confederacy should have been allowed to secede the way they did, and were on the right side of history..

Is this a popular stance among conservatives of today? Are they really pro-Confederacy when they look back on the Civil War? Or are there just a couple crazies here and there?

(This thread may also help the 'Gay Marriage' thread from being further derailed with Civil War arguments. Figured it was worth a shot haha)

calling them conservatives is a misnomer. they are and always have been reactionaries

and when you hate your president and you hate everyone who doesn't think like you, it's not a big leap to sympathize with insurrectionists