More Birth Control = Fewer Abortions

[Defiant1]

Wrong on every score. The health insurance is part of MY compensation. Part of what I'm paid for doing the job. You're basically saying that your employer gets to decide what I do with my pay check.

If I applied for a job and the employer healthcare package didn't include birth control, I would refuse the job. Not because I need birth control, but because this is not the kind of employer I would want to give my talents or abilities to help.

That is your choice. Everyone should have that choice. Does that make sense now?

You miss the point. Employers should have NO SAY in what medical treatments are covered in employee health care packages. None. That is between the employer and their doctors.

Here in Canada, the Catholic Church pays for health care for its employees which includes both birth control and abortion. Not once ever have they filed lawsuits claiming a violation of their religious freedom.

This whole "it's against our religion" is a scam to try to force others into living by THEIR religious ideals. That violates the religious freedom of every employee working for them.

I don't believe in religion. I believe in ownership rights.
When I use the word employer, I'm talking about the owner of the company.
The owner gets to spend his money as he sees fit.
Including not providing any insurance at all.

If health insurance is part of the compensation package it's not his money it's his employees' money. They earned it. The employer should be asking the employees what they want in their healthcare since it's their healthcare not his.

You both are wrong. The only reason we basically HAVE to get health insurance through our work is because of over regulation. That regulation corners us into tighter markets for the insurance companies. So instead of having 500 some plans to choose from depending on your needs (and employers saying we’ll pay for this amount of that cost) you get maybe 3 options, and the risk is not spread out to the rest of America, but to the 40 or so employees you work with, and if 10 of them are over 50, another 5 are overweight, and another 5 smoke...well the other 20-30 have to cover that increased risk.

What the hell are you talking about?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Viagra treats a medical problem.

What affliction does birth control treat?

Yes I know about female issues. Most employers make exception when proscribed for those issues.

Here is the thing, when I complete my 40+ hours of work per week I have earned my money to spend how I want. I have also earned my right to use my insurance as I want. If you do not want your paid wages to go to birth control nobody sais you have to be an employer. My boss has no right to tell me what to do with my money or my insurance. I get freedom of religion and freedom from religion.

When an employer provides healthcare insurance to the employees, the employer is buying the insurance package.
The employer should be the one to decide what is included and not included in the package.
If you do not like the package the employer has purchase, you can get a different job.
Your employer is not telling you what to do with your money. The employer is choosing what to do with his money.

Wrong on every score. The health insurance is part of MY compensation. Part of what I'm paid for doing the job. You're basically saying that your employer gets to decide what I do with my pay check.

If I applied for a job and the employer healthcare package didn't include birth control, I would refuse the job. Not because I need birth control, but because this is not the kind of employer I would want to give my talents or abilities to help.

That is your choice. Everyone should have that choice. Does that make sense now?

You miss the point. Employers should have NO SAY in what medical treatments are covered in employee health care packages. None. That is between the employer and their doctors.

Here in Canada, the Catholic Church pays for health care for its employees which includes both birth control and abortion. Not once ever have they filed lawsuits claiming a violation of their religious freedom.

This whole "it's against our religion" is a scam to try to force others into living by THEIR religious ideals. That violates the religious freedom of every employee working for them.

Sorry Lady! I have worked in the insurance industry and that is not how it works, never has and never will.

Only the government cannot restrict your religious choices. The First Amendment does not apply to businesses.

If you are not a member of the Catholic Church, you cannot be a teacher in many Catholic schools. Hows that for discrimination?

 

[Weatherman2020]

Funny how the left think a 50 year old male should be covered for maternity.

This is the way medical insurance has always worked. No one bitched about it until the Republicans came up with this clever idea as part of repeal and replace Obamacare. People could pick and choose their coverage like a salad bar. It wasn't voted in because IT DOESN'T WORK. So get over it. Women have always paid for men's enlarged prostate and erectile dysfunction.

Sorry, I was never covered for maternity in all my life.

Yet now it’s a right that makes men and post menopausal women pay for it.

 

[sakinago]

That is your choice. Everyone should have that choice. Does that make sense now?

You miss the point. Employers should have NO SAY in what medical treatments are covered in employee health care packages. None. That is between the employer and their doctors.

Here in Canada, the Catholic Church pays for health care for its employees which includes both birth control and abortion. Not once ever have they filed lawsuits claiming a violation of their religious freedom.

This whole "it's against our religion" is a scam to try to force others into living by THEIR religious ideals. That violates the religious freedom of every employee working for them.

I don't believe in religion. I believe in ownership rights.
When I use the word employer, I'm talking about the owner of the company.
The owner gets to spend his money as he sees fit.
Including not providing any insurance at all.

If health insurance is part of the compensation package it's not his money it's his employees' money. They earned it. The employer should be asking the employees what they want in their healthcare since it's their healthcare not his.

You both are wrong. The only reason we basically HAVE to get health insurance through our work is because of over regulation. That regulation corners us into tighter markets for the insurance companies. So instead of having 500 some plans to choose from depending on your needs (and employers saying we’ll pay for this amount of that cost) you get maybe 3 options, and the risk is not spread out to the rest of America, but to the 40 or so employees you work with, and if 10 of them are over 50, another 5 are overweight, and another 5 smoke...well the other 20-30 have to cover that increased risk.

What the hell are you talking about?

Would it be fair if you had to get car insurance through your employer?? And then one of your co-workers gets into an accident, and another gets a DUI, and your rates go up too? NO, so why do we let regulation limit us to get health insurance through our employers, where the insurance companies view that company as a risk group, vs car insurance which is the entire nation. Does that make more sense?

 

[Defiant1]

You miss the point. Employers should have NO SAY in what medical treatments are covered in employee health care packages. None. That is between the employer and their doctors.

Here in Canada, the Catholic Church pays for health care for its employees which includes both birth control and abortion. Not once ever have they filed lawsuits claiming a violation of their religious freedom.

This whole "it's against our religion" is a scam to try to force others into living by THEIR religious ideals. That violates the religious freedom of every employee working for them.

I don't believe in religion. I believe in ownership rights.
When I use the word employer, I'm talking about the owner of the company.
The owner gets to spend his money as he sees fit.
Including not providing any insurance at all.

If health insurance is part of the compensation package it's not his money it's his employees' money. They earned it. The employer should be asking the employees what they want in their healthcare since it's their healthcare not his.

You both are wrong. The only reason we basically HAVE to get health insurance through our work is because of over regulation. That regulation corners us into tighter markets for the insurance companies. So instead of having 500 some plans to choose from depending on your needs (and employers saying we’ll pay for this amount of that cost) you get maybe 3 options, and the risk is not spread out to the rest of America, but to the 40 or so employees you work with, and if 10 of them are over 50, another 5 are overweight, and another 5 smoke...well the other 20-30 have to cover that increased risk.

What the hell are you talking about?

Would it be fair if you had to get car insurance through your employer?? And then one of your co-workers gets into an accident, and another gets a DUI, and your rates go up too? NO, so why do we let regulation limit us to get health insurance through our employers, where the insurance companies view that company as a risk group, vs car insurance which is the entire nation. Does that make more sense?

No one is forced to get health insurance through their employer.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

No government official is preventing anyone from getting birth control.
All that is happening is the removal of mandates forcing people to do things against their will.
I thought you were against rape.

If there's no funding or mandates many women will not have access to birth control. Insurance covers viagra no questions asked. Why can't birth control be treated the same?

State and local governments should tax accordingly so they can fund these projects and not expect the Federal Government to do their job.

I have no issue with having free programs but prefer it to be on the Local and State level instead...

What is wrong with it being through insurance, Bruce? What if some states don't want to fund birth control?

Somebody is paying for it!

If the state doesn't want to pay for it, that just is added incentive for the deadbeats to move to California or some other liberal bastion.

It is viewed as preventive medicine and most of these teenagers we are discussing are not dead beats; they are covered under their parents' insurance through work. How twisted your view of what is going on here!
It IS preventive medicine. Free reproductive services under everyone's insurance plan, including birth control, has significantly PREVENTED abortions and future welfare recipients by taking away any barriers to effectively preventing unwanted pregnancy.

You did not address my point but deflected to your faulty reasoning.

Just exactly how do these kids get birth control under their parent's insurance without their knowledge?

If they are underage, they cannot get a doctor to prescribe birth control pills. If they have reached the age of majority, the parents will still know. They are not gaining any secrecy about their sex life. Why don't they just pay out of pocket?

 

[sakinago]

I don't believe in religion. I believe in ownership rights.
When I use the word employer, I'm talking about the owner of the company.
The owner gets to spend his money as he sees fit.
Including not providing any insurance at all.

If health insurance is part of the compensation package it's not his money it's his employees' money. They earned it. The employer should be asking the employees what they want in their healthcare since it's their healthcare not his.

You both are wrong. The only reason we basically HAVE to get health insurance through our work is because of over regulation. That regulation corners us into tighter markets for the insurance companies. So instead of having 500 some plans to choose from depending on your needs (and employers saying we’ll pay for this amount of that cost) you get maybe 3 options, and the risk is not spread out to the rest of America, but to the 40 or so employees you work with, and if 10 of them are over 50, another 5 are overweight, and another 5 smoke...well the other 20-30 have to cover that increased risk.

What the hell are you talking about?

Would it be fair if you had to get car insurance through your employer?? And then one of your co-workers gets into an accident, and another gets a DUI, and your rates go up too? NO, so why do we let regulation limit us to get health insurance through our employers, where the insurance companies view that company as a risk group, vs car insurance which is the entire nation. Does that make more sense?

No one is forced to get health insurance through their employer.

You’re not...but that’s the most affordable way by far. But insurance companies are still regulated to offer plans through companies, and not at all across state lines. Why is it we are generally offered plans through our employer?

 

[The Derp]

Why after 40 years of Liberal propaganda is there more teen pregnancies? Could it be because of liberalism?

It's because Conservatives think abstinence works. Sarah Palin's daughter proves it doesn't.

 

[The Derp]

You’re not...but that’s the most affordable way by far. But insurance companies are still regulated to offer plans through companies, and not at all across state lines. Why is it we are generally offered plans through our employer?

Because rather than raise wages, employers are offering benefits as a form of compensation.

 

[The Derp]

You did not address my point but deflected to your faulty reasoning.
Just exactly how do these kids get birth control under their parent's insurance without their knowledge?

The point is to make birth control easily and readily accessible so kids don't have to do this. Telling teenagers to simply not have sex is like telling a shark not to eat. Teens are going to have sex so they might as well be informed of all forms of birth control and taught comprehensive sex education so they're safe when they do have sex. And they will have sex. No Conservative has ever prevented out-of-wedlock humping. "Abstinence" is tantamount to putting your fingers in your ears, closing your eyes, and mumbling in tongues.

If they are underage, they cannot get a doctor to prescribe birth control pills. If they have reached the age of majority, the parents will still know. They are not gaining any secrecy about their sex life. Why don't they just pay out of pocket?

Why don't we just make it easily free and accessible to everyone? Why is that such a problem for you?

 

[The Derp]

Sorry, I was never covered for maternity in all my life.Yet now it’s a right that makes men and post menopausal women pay for it.

Conservatives simply do not understand, on a fundamental level, what health insurance is.

 

[evenflow1969]

This is an informative article on what really happens when people try to legislate sexual morality and insist others live according to THEIR religious beliefs. Sadly, this is not going to have the effect the moral warriors are hoping for. Limiting birth control options by making them more costly or harder to access is going to lead to more abortions or more poor outcomes for both the mothers and children. Abstinence based initiatives have been studied and shown to have no measurable impact on abortion rates. Birth control use did. In a big way. Don't like abortion? Make birth control MORE available, not less.

So why is the current Administration trying to make birth control harder to come by?

Trump jeopardizes progress in reducing teen pregnancy and abortion rates


Teen birth rates have been cut in half over the last decade, which is beneficial not only to young women but to Americans as a whole. The decline is attributed to public health outreach and better use of contraception.

President Donald Trump has put that access to contraception in jeopardy with his rollback of a rule that required employers, with some narrow exceptions, to include contraception, at no cost, in their health insurance plans....

The Trump administration has already quietly cut more than $200 million for ongoing research into the most effective ways to prevent unwanted teen pregnancies, a decision most likely driven by ideology rather than science.

Three-quarters of U.S. teen pregnancies are unplanned and nearly a third end in abortion, which is much higher than the overall abortion rate of 14.6 percent. That’s the lowest rate since 1973, the year of the Supreme Court’s Roe v. Wade decision.

Teen pregnancy has multi-generational consequences. Only half of teen mothers receive a high school diploma by age 22, compared with 90 percent of women who do not give birth as teens.

The children of teenage mothers also are more likely to drop out of high school. In addition, they are more likely to have more health problems, be incarcerated at some time during adolescence, give birth as teenagers, and face unemployment as young adults.

Do you use BC?

I use the most effective form of birth control available. It is called being old and ugly. The only thing that happenes in my bedroom is sleep. Yet I still belive we all have a right to use BC and have it affordable. God bless those who get some! More power to them. At least some one has some happiness. You crazy right wingers wnat no hppiness for anybody.

 

[Dragonlady]

Wrong on every score. The health insurance is part of MY compensation. Part of what I'm paid for doing the job. You're basically saying that your employer gets to decide what I do with my pay check.

If I applied for a job and the employer healthcare package didn't include birth control, I would refuse the job. Not because I need birth control, but because this is not the kind of employer I would want to give my talents or abilities to help.

That is your choice. Everyone should have that choice. Does that make sense now?

You miss the point. Employers should have NO SAY in what medical treatments are covered in employee health care packages. None. That is between the employer and their doctors.

Here in Canada, the Catholic Church pays for health care for its employees which includes both birth control and abortion. Not once ever have they filed lawsuits claiming a violation of their religious freedom.

This whole "it's against our religion" is a scam to try to force others into living by THEIR religious ideals. That violates the religious freedom of every employee working for them.

I don't believe in religion. I believe in ownership rights.
When I use the word employer, I'm talking about the owner of the company.
The owner gets to spend his money as he sees fit.
Including not providing any insurance at all.

If health insurance is part of the compensation package it's not his money it's his employees' money. They earned it. The employer should be asking the employees what they want in their healthcare since it's their healthcare not his.

This isn't about Canada.
I don't expect you to understand American freedom.

I understand American freedom is a myth. My birth control was always paid for in my health insurance. Abortions in Canada are paid for in full by my government health insurance. No copays no paperwork. That's freedom.

Employers have no right to tell me I can't have birth control because Of THEIR religious beliefs. What you call "freedom" is in fact the opposite. It is the employer's attempt to inflect his religious beliefs on his employees.

This is one of the reasons why Canada ranks much higher In the ranking of countries with the most personal freedoms than the USA. Freedom means freeedom for all, not just for those holding the purse strings.

 

[Weatherman2020]

Sorry, I was never covered for maternity in all my life.Yet now it’s a right that makes men and post menopausal women pay for it.

Conservatives simply do not understand, on a fundamental level, what health insurance is.

I will never grasp why males and post menopausal women must pay to be covered for maternity.

 

[The Derp]

I use the most effective form of birth control available. It is called being old and ugly. The only thing that happenes in my bedroom is sleep. Yet I still belive we all have a right to use BC and have it affordable. God bless those who get some! More power to them. At least some one has some happiness. You crazy right wingers wnat no hppiness for anybody.

They hate it when people have sex for fun, particularly outside of marriage. Because they were raised to believe sex is a sin, they see childbirth as a punishment to those who have sex for reasons other than procreation as their Bible commands. So that's why they oppose free and open access to birth control and comprehensive sex education in school; they want sex to have consequences when we've gotten to the point as a society where there doesn't have to be those consequences thanks to advances in medicine and science. The fact that the BC Pill even exists is an affront to right-wingers.

 

[The Derp]

I will never grasp why males and post menopausal women must pay to be covered for maternity.

Because in order to keep your premium low, you need younger, healthier people paying premiums in your plan with you. And younger, healthier people tend to have kids.

Again, you just do not understand on a fundamental level what health insurance is.

 

[Weatherman2020]

I use the most effective form of birth control available. It is called being old and ugly. The only thing that happenes in my bedroom is sleep. Yet I still belive we all have a right to use BC and have it affordable. God bless those who get some! More power to them. At least some one has some happiness. You crazy right wingers wnat no hppiness for anybody.

They hate it when people have sex for fun, particularly outside of marriage. Because they were raised to believe sex is a sin, they see childbirth as a punishment to those who have sex for reasons other than procreation as their Bible commands. So that's why they oppose free and open access to birth control and comprehensive sex education in school; they want sex to have consequences when we've gotten to the point as a society where there doesn't have to be those consequences thanks to advances in medicine and science. The fact that the BC Pill even exists is an affront to right-wingers.

Clueless as usual. Reality and you are 180 apart.

 

[sakinago]

You’re not...but that’s the most affordable way by far. But insurance companies are still regulated to offer plans through companies, and not at all across state lines. Why is it we are generally offered plans through our employer?

Because rather than raise wages, employers are offering benefits as a form of compensation.

Why can’t employers just offer, 2 grand, or 3 grand a year for health insurance, you choose the plan you want. It would be worlds cheaper for them, as well as worlds cheaper for us. As a young person you could buy into a plan, and keep it even though you change jobs or get fired, and not be subject to accepting whatever plan your employer offers. And as you get older keep that same plan at the same price. Not only would rates be cheaper overall since insurance companies would be working with much bigger risk pools across the entire nation (not limited to a single company) but they’d also have to compete more for costumers. There’s no reason they can’t, other than regulation forces them to.

 

[Weatherman2020]

I will never grasp why males and post menopausal women must pay to be covered for maternity.

Because in order to keep your premium low, you need younger, healthier people paying premiums in your plan with you. And younger, healthier people tend to have kids.

Again, you just do not understand on a fundamental level what health insurance is.

No Dufus, costs went up for men so they could get covered for maternity.

 

[The Derp]

Clueless as usual. Reality and you are 180 apart.

So this compulsion to "punish" people by forcing them to have kids doesn't come from a place of yours where you were taught sex is a sin?