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Yes, the government should mandate expensive, unreliable energy.
That'll make America great again.
No mandate that I know about. Private energy companies are deciding how best to invest.
That's right, private energy companies building natural gas plants with their own money.
Building "green energy" plants with tax dollars.
Yes, the government should mandate expensive, unreliable energy.
That'll make America great again.
No mandate that I know about. Private energy companies are deciding how best to invest.
That's right, private energy companies building natural gas plants with their own money.
Building "green energy" plants with tax dollars.
Absolutely. Also, private energy companies have done quite a bit of research and found solutions to making more efficient scrubbers in their coal plants to avoid air pollution. They keep pushing for under 99% clean air from all their plants, and returning cooled waters to streams for the maintenance of healthy natural fish populations as well.Yes, the government should mandate expensive, unreliable energy.
That'll make America great again.
No mandate that I know about. Private energy companies are deciding how best to invest.
That's right, private energy companies building natural gas plants with their own money.
Building "green energy" plants with tax dollars.
There's nothing wrong with wind, solar or renewable energy.
That is all that needs to be understood.
There's nothing wrong with renewable energy.
One day humanity will be forced to use it.
There's nothing wrong with renewable energy.
One day humanity will be forced to use it.
Absolutely. Also, private energy companies have done quite a bit of research and found solutions to making more efficient scrubbers in their coal plants to avoid air pollution. They keep pushing for under 99% clean air from all their plants, and returning cooled waters to streams for the maintenance of healthy natural fish populations as well.No mandate that I know about. Private energy companies are deciding how best to invest.
That's right, private energy companies building natural gas plants with their own money.
Building "green energy" plants with tax dollars.
Private industries must learn from their mistakes. Otherwise, they couldn't stay in business.
Government in businesses can raise rates fivefold in a handful of years (TVA, 1970s) and major improvements often come under the scrutiny of a Congressional committee that has other things to do, so may have to table the discussion for months before granting funds for something that will save money in the long run. Even when scrubbers can clean the air, a POTUS determined to get rid of coal usage can close down existing plants citing anything else except that the POTUS saying he would get rid of coal generating plants if given the chance.
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[ame="http://youtu.be/iJ55UzAsp6M"]Obama/Joe Biden "No Coal Plants Here in America" - YouTube[/ame]
They ought to be ashamed of themselves for being behind the times, and for ignoring exactly how clean the new scrubbers are making already-existing coal generation. Joe Biden's threat and fear-mongering were based on history older than 30 years ago, and 40 in some areas.
PMZ: If Biden's hysterical rhetoric isn't a mandate against coal generation, I don't know what is!
There's nothing wrong with wind, solar or renewable energy.
That is all that needs to be understood.
I agree s0n........almost everybody agrees. But its never going to be anything more than a fringe energy source. Like I said......its just the way it is.
No mandate that I know about. Private energy companies are deciding how best to invest.
That's right, private energy companies building natural gas plants with their own money.
Building "green energy" plants with tax dollars.
Now you're running away from your mandate bull shit.
No mandate that I know about. Private energy companies are deciding how best to invest.
That's right, private energy companies building natural gas plants with their own money.
Building "green energy" plants with tax dollars.
You mean like sports stadiums are built.
There's nothing wrong with wind, solar or renewable energy.
That is all that needs to be understood.
So besides ThinkProgress, DailyKOS, and skepticalscience --- Abraham --- what other "unbiased" sources are on your list?
I have never heard of ThinkProgress and do not visit DailyKOS (at least I can honestly say I have never typed either URL into a browser). I do visit Skeptical Science.com, RealClimate.org, NSIDC, NCDC, NOAA, NASA and will follow links I find on CNN, BBC, CBS, NPR and PBS, particularly if they point to edu sites. Those are what I consider the likeliest to be objective and accurate.
I expect (and am RARELY disappointed) to find subjective and inaccurate data on sites likes WattsUpWithThat, ClimateAudit, ClimateDepot, ClimateSkeptic and the British tabloids that inexplicably feature so prominently in this 'debate'. I expect the same from folks like Anthony Watts, Bob Tisdale, Roger Pielke Sr, Roy Spencer, Christopher Monckton, Steve McIntyre, Willie Soon, Sallie Bailunas, Richard Lindzen, Chris DeFreitas, Don Easterbrook, William Happer, David Legates and S Fred Singer.
ABRAHAM'S ACCEPTABLE SITES FOR CLIMATE INFORMATION (AASCI)
Global Warming and Climate Change skepticism examined
RealClimate: Climate science from climate scientists
National Snow and Ice Data Center (NSIDC)
National Climatic Data Center (NCDC) | The world's largest active archive of weather and climate data producing and supplying data and publications for the world.
NOAA - National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration - Climate Resrouces
Climate Change: Vital Signs of the Planet
There's nothing wrong with wind, solar or renewable energy.
That is all that needs to be understood.
That's right, if you spend your own money on them.
Stop using taxpayer funds.
So besides ThinkProgress, DailyKOS, and skepticalscience --- Abraham --- what other "unbiased" sources are on your list?
I have never heard of ThinkProgress and do not visit DailyKOS (at least I can honestly say I have never typed either URL into a browser). I do visit Skeptical Science.com, RealClimate.org, NSIDC, NCDC, NOAA, NASA and will follow links I find on CNN, BBC, CBS, NPR and PBS, particularly if they point to edu sites. Those are what I consider the likeliest to be objective and accurate.
I expect (and am RARELY disappointed) to find subjective and inaccurate data on sites likes WattsUpWithThat, ClimateAudit, ClimateDepot, ClimateSkeptic and the British tabloids that inexplicably feature so prominently in this 'debate'. I expect the same from folks like Anthony Watts, Bob Tisdale, Roger Pielke Sr, Roy Spencer, Christopher Monckton, Steve McIntyre, Willie Soon, Sallie Bailunas, Richard Lindzen, Chris DeFreitas, Don Easterbrook, William Happer, David Legates and S Fred Singer.
ABRAHAM'S ACCEPTABLE SITES FOR CLIMATE INFORMATION (AASCI)
Global Warming and Climate Change skepticism examined
RealClimate: Climate science from climate scientists
National Snow and Ice Data Center (NSIDC)
National Climatic Data Center (NCDC) | The world's largest active archive of weather and climate data producing and supplying data and publications for the world.
NOAA - National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration - Climate Resrouces
Climate Change: Vital Signs of the Planet
this is one of the main stumbling blocks to communication between warmers and skeptics. you do not like the attitude or focus of people like McIntyre or Watts, so you automatically dismiss anything they say. its a catch-22.
where do you go to seek out possible criticisms of new papers and studies? no where, if it goes through peer review it is good enough for you, right? what about papers that make it through pal review with obvious (or even not so obvious) mistakes? climate science is a closed shop and private criticisms are kept behind closed doors, with the public no wiser, as climategate and the recent release of the SkS secret forum comments make blatantly clear.
I dont care if you dislike McIntyre, etc but their questions and criticisms must be answered. actually you do yourself a disservice by ignoring Climate Audit and the others because that is where the discussion with 'real' scientists happens, often with the climate scientists having to back down from their claims. Way, Marcott, Gergis, Steig, etc. I guarantee you will learn more about science and statistics at Climate Audit than anywhere else, especially in the grey areas.
So besides ThinkProgress, DailyKOS, and skepticalscience --- Abraham --- what other "unbiased" sources are on your list?
I have never heard of ThinkProgress and do not visit DailyKOS (at least I can honestly say I have never typed either URL into a browser). I do visit Skeptical Science.com, RealClimate.org, NSIDC, NCDC, NOAA, NASA and will follow links I find on CNN, BBC, CBS, NPR and PBS, particularly if they point to edu sites. Those are what I consider the likeliest to be objective and accurate.
I expect (and am RARELY disappointed) to find subjective and inaccurate data on sites likes WattsUpWithThat, ClimateAudit, ClimateDepot, ClimateSkeptic and the British tabloids that inexplicably feature so prominently in this 'debate'. I expect the same from folks like Anthony Watts, Bob Tisdale, Roger Pielke Sr, Roy Spencer, Christopher Monckton, Steve McIntyre, Willie Soon, Sallie Bailunas, Richard Lindzen, Chris DeFreitas, Don Easterbrook, William Happer, David Legates and S Fred Singer.
ABRAHAM'S ACCEPTABLE SITES FOR CLIMATE INFORMATION (AASCI)
Global Warming and Climate Change skepticism examined
RealClimate: Climate science from climate scientists
National Snow and Ice Data Center (NSIDC)
National Climatic Data Center (NCDC) | The world's largest active archive of weather and climate data producing and supplying data and publications for the world.
NOAA - National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration - Climate Resrouces
Climate Change: Vital Signs of the Planet
this is one of the main stumbling blocks to communication between warmers and skeptics. you do not like the attitude or focus of people like McIntyre or Watts, so you automatically dismiss anything they say. its a catch-22.
where do you go to seek out possible criticisms of new papers and studies? no where, if it goes through peer review it is good enough for you, right? what about papers that make it through pal review with obvious (or even not so obvious) mistakes? climate science is a closed shop and private criticisms are kept behind closed doors, with the public no wiser, as climategate and the recent release of the SkS secret forum comments make blatantly clear.
I dont care if you dislike McIntyre, etc but their questions and criticisms must be answered. actually you do yourself a disservice by ignoring Climate Audit and the others because that is where the discussion with 'real' scientists happens, often with the climate scientists having to back down from their claims. Way, Marcott, Gergis, Steig, etc. I guarantee you will learn more about science and statistics at Climate Audit than anywhere else, especially in the grey areas.
There's nothing wrong with wind, solar or renewable energy.
That is all that needs to be understood.
I agree s0n........almost everybody agrees. But its never going to be anything more than a fringe energy source. Like I said......its just the way it is.
So, when fossil fuels are gone, it's back to the caves?
