More proof Trump thinks Trumpettes are stupid.

[Uncensored2008]

He thinks you’re stupid. He’s right

I think you're stupid candy - and the rest of Hamas along with you.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

More proof Trump thinks Trumpettes are stupid

Kind of amusing how you think Trump thinks his supporters are stupid (not necessarily saying you're wrong, either), but you don't believe the Clintons think you're stupid.

 

[Dragonlady]

Smart people such as Mueler figured out the collusion story was retarded nonsense a long time ago. Real dumb CNN viewers still haven't got a clue.

So Mueller knew within weeks that the collusion shit was a fraud, yet continued with the farce over the course of two years, Unethical at the very least, sounds criminal to me.

Mueller knew from the day he was appointed that "collusion" wasn't a crime so he wasn't looking for collusion, he was looking for "conspiracy". While Mueller found hundreds of meetings with Russians and enthusiasm for Russian help to elect Trump, There was INSUFFICIENT EVIDENCE of conspiracy to convict beyond a reasonable doubt. Not "no evidence", you ignorant partisan hack.

Trump was not exonerated of conspiring with the Russians. He was not indicted because Mueller thought he was too stupid to know that the Russians they were dealing with were GRU.

On the question of obstruction, Mueller found enough evidence to obstruction to both indict and convict Trump of witness tampering, and obstructing the Russian investigation. Mueller also said that he found some of Trump's written responses to his questions were not truthful. In any event, he found plenty of evidence for Congress to write Articles of Impeachment.

Trump thinks he'll be more popular if he's impeached, like Bill Clinton. Clinton was not a lying criminal in the thrall of Russia. Clinton was investigated for 6 1/2 years by a special counsel hired by Republicans to "get Clinton", and all he got after 6 1/2 years and $70 million dollars was a lie about a blow job.

Mueller investigated Trump for two years, dealt with a totally uncooperative subject, and continual threats and obstruction of his investigation. Mueller left the question of obstruction to Congress, and Barr has tried to do an end around and declare Trump "exonerated". Mueller delivered a redacted version of his Report, and Summaries to Barr so that it could be delivered to both the Justice Department and Congress, simultaneously.

Barr did not release Mueller's Summaries, and in fact didn't even mention them or Mueller's Redacted Report. Instead he put out his own 4-page Summary and then sat on Mueller's actual summaries and conclusions for a month while both Barr and Trump spun this "no collusion, no obstruction" lie.

Now they're refusing to give Congress the unredacted Report, they're refusing to allow Congress to proceed to their Investigation Phase, and are trying to say that the whole matter of obstruction is "case closed". I don't think so Bucko. Over 700 prosecutors have signed a letter saying that if Donald Trump was not President, he'd be indicted.

It wasn't Watergate that took down Nixon. It was the cover-up.

 

[Cellblock2429]

Note how Trumpettes don't care how Trump trashes the Constitution.

Trump says he will divert money Congress designated to the military. This is money the military does not need.

Yet military bases are still not repaired from a Hurricane 6 months earlier because they don't have funding.

Is it you hate our troops? Is it you hate the Constitution? Is it you are actually so stupid that you think this all will help the current mess at our border with Mexico? Is it you think this wall is worth cutting funding to illegal drug screening at crossing points?

What do you care about our military? You're a worthless leftist traitor hack.

I have always cared about our troops & veterans.

You voted for a man who thought himself too important to be drafted & then trashed the military service of veterans, gold Star Families & even called a soldier's widow a liar on the very day she met her husbands coffin get unloaded upon his return home.

So don't you dare pretend you give a rart's ass about our troops.

/——/ Your number one guy in the poll thought he was too important to serve, so are you voting for Old Joe ?

 

[basquebromance]

"you will never comprehend how much it has cost my generation to preserve your freedom. i hope you will make good use of it" - John Adams

 

[Norman]

Smart people such as Mueler figured out the collusion story was retarded nonsense a long time ago. Real dumb CNN viewers still haven't got a clue.

So Mueller knew within weeks that the collusion shit was a fraud, yet continued with the farce over the course of two years, Unethical at the very least, sounds criminal to me.

Mueller knew from the day he was appointed that "collusion" wasn't a crime so he wasn't looking for collusion, he was looking for "conspiracy". While Mueller found hundreds of meetings with Russians and enthusiasm for Russian help to elect Trump, There was INSUFFICIENT EVIDENCE of conspiracy to convict beyond a reasonable doubt. Not "no evidence", you ignorant partisan hack.

Trump was not exonerated of conspiring with the Russians. He was not indicted because Mueller thought he was too stupid to know that the Russians they were dealing with were GRU.

On the question of obstruction, Mueller found enough evidence to obstruction to both indict and convict Trump of witness tampering, and obstructing the Russian investigation. Mueller also said that he found some of Trump's written responses to his questions were not truthful. In any event, he found plenty of evidence for Congress to write Articles of Impeachment.

Trump thinks he'll be more popular if he's impeached, like Bill Clinton. Clinton was not a lying criminal in the thrall of Russia. Clinton was investigated for 6 1/2 years by a special counsel hired by Republicans to "get Clinton", and all he got after 6 1/2 years and $70 million dollars was a lie about a blow job.

Mueller investigated Trump for two years, dealt with a totally uncooperative subject, and continual threats and obstruction of his investigation. Mueller left the question of obstruction to Congress, and Barr has tried to do an end around and declare Trump "exonerated". Mueller delivered a redacted version of his Report, and Summaries to Barr so that it could be delivered to both the Justice Department and Congress, simultaneously.

Barr did not release Mueller's Summaries, and in fact didn't even mention them or Mueller's Redacted Report. Instead he put out his own 4-page Summary and then sat on Mueller's actual summaries and conclusions for a month while both Barr and Trump spun this "no collusion, no obstruction" lie.

Now they're refusing to give Congress the unredacted Report, they're refusing to allow Congress to proceed to their Investigation Phase, and are trying to say that the whole matter of obstruction is "case closed". I don't think so Bucko. Over 700 prosecutors have signed a letter saying that if Donald Trump was not President, he'd be indicted.

It wasn't Watergate that took down Nixon. It was the cover-up.

Before posting the wall of text of bullshit, maybe turn off CNN for a moment?

 

[Uncensored2008]

Smart people such as Mueler figured out the collusion story was retarded nonsense a long time ago. Real dumb CNN viewers still haven't got a clue.

So Mueller knew within weeks that the collusion shit was a fraud, yet continued with the farce over the course of two years, Unethical at the very least, sounds criminal to me.

Mueller knew from the day he was appointed that "collusion" wasn't a crime so he wasn't looking for collusion, he was looking for "conspiracy". While Mueller found hundreds of meetings with Russians and enthusiasm for Russian help to elect Trump, There was INSUFFICIENT EVIDENCE of conspiracy to convict beyond a reasonable doubt. Not "no evidence", you ignorant partisan hack.

Trump was not exonerated of conspiring with the Russians. He was not indicted because Mueller thought he was too stupid to know that the Russians they were dealing with were GRU.

On the question of obstruction, Mueller found enough evidence to obstruction to both indict and convict Trump of witness tampering, and obstructing the Russian investigation. Mueller also said that he found some of Trump's written responses to his questions were not truthful. In any event, he found plenty of evidence for Congress to write Articles of Impeachment.

Trump thinks he'll be more popular if he's impeached, like Bill Clinton. Clinton was not a lying criminal in the thrall of Russia. Clinton was investigated for 6 1/2 years by a special counsel hired by Republicans to "get Clinton", and all he got after 6 1/2 years and $70 million dollars was a lie about a blow job.

Mueller investigated Trump for two years, dealt with a totally uncooperative subject, and continual threats and obstruction of his investigation. Mueller left the question of obstruction to Congress, and Barr has tried to do an end around and declare Trump "exonerated". Mueller delivered a redacted version of his Report, and Summaries to Barr so that it could be delivered to both the Justice Department and Congress, simultaneously.

Barr did not release Mueller's Summaries, and in fact didn't even mention them or Mueller's Redacted Report. Instead he put out his own 4-page Summary and then sat on Mueller's actual summaries and conclusions for a month while both Barr and Trump spun this "no collusion, no obstruction" lie.

Now they're refusing to give Congress the unredacted Report, they're refusing to allow Congress to proceed to their Investigation Phase, and are trying to say that the whole matter of obstruction is "case closed". I don't think so Bucko. Over 700 prosecutors have signed a letter saying that if Donald Trump was not President, he'd be indicted.

It wasn't Watergate that took down Nixon. It was the cover-up.

Fucking liar.

{
The investigation did not establish any agreement among Campaign officials?
or between such officials and Russia-linked individuals to interfere with or obstruct a lawful
function of a government agency during the campaign or transition period. And, as discussed in
Volume 1, Section V.A, supra, the investigation did not identify evidence that any Campaign
official or associate knowingly and intentionally participated in the conspiracy to defraud that the
Office charged, namely, the active-measures conspiracy described in Volume 1, Section II, supra.
Accordingly, the Office did not charge any Campaign associate or other US. person with
conspiracy to defraud the United States based on the Russia-related contacts described in Section
IV above.}

So, I know you didn't read the report and are just repeating shit from the hate sites.

But do you KNOW that you're lying, or are you just blindly spewing shit you were programmed with? See, the thing is that I've posted dozens and dozens of chunks of the actual report - which absolutely proves that your claim is a falsehood - hence you HAVE to be deliberately lying.

It's as if you sociopathic Stalinists think you can just lie reality into submission - that just one more lie will make your desires the truth rather than the facts.

You have no integrity. Do better.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Smart people such as Mueler figured out the collusion story was retarded nonsense a long time ago. Real dumb CNN viewers still haven't got a clue.

So Mueller knew within weeks that the collusion shit was a fraud, yet continued with the farce over the course of two years, Unethical at the very least, sounds criminal to me.

Mueller knew from the day he was appointed that "collusion" wasn't a crime so he wasn't looking for collusion, he was looking for "conspiracy". While Mueller found hundreds of meetings with Russians and enthusiasm for Russian help to elect Trump, There was INSUFFICIENT EVIDENCE of conspiracy to convict beyond a reasonable doubt. Not "no evidence", you ignorant partisan hack.

Trump was not exonerated of conspiring with the Russians. He was not indicted because Mueller thought he was too stupid to know that the Russians they were dealing with were GRU.

On the question of obstruction, Mueller found enough evidence to obstruction to both indict and convict Trump of witness tampering, and obstructing the Russian investigation. Mueller also said that he found some of Trump's written responses to his questions were not truthful. In any event, he found plenty of evidence for Congress to write Articles of Impeachment.

Trump thinks he'll be more popular if he's impeached, like Bill Clinton. Clinton was not a lying criminal in the thrall of Russia. Clinton was investigated for 6 1/2 years by a special counsel hired by Republicans to "get Clinton", and all he got after 6 1/2 years and $70 million dollars was a lie about a blow job.

Mueller investigated Trump for two years, dealt with a totally uncooperative subject, and continual threats and obstruction of his investigation. Mueller left the question of obstruction to Congress, and Barr has tried to do an end around and declare Trump "exonerated". Mueller delivered a redacted version of his Report, and Summaries to Barr so that it could be delivered to both the Justice Department and Congress, simultaneously.

Barr did not release Mueller's Summaries, and in fact didn't even mention them or Mueller's Redacted Report. Instead he put out his own 4-page Summary and then sat on Mueller's actual summaries and conclusions for a month while both Barr and Trump spun this "no collusion, no obstruction" lie.

Now they're refusing to give Congress the unredacted Report, they're refusing to allow Congress to proceed to their Investigation Phase, and are trying to say that the whole matter of obstruction is "case closed". I don't think so Bucko. Over 700 prosecutors have signed a letter saying that if Donald Trump was not President, he'd be indicted.

It wasn't Watergate that took down Nixon. It was the cover-up.

Before posting the wall of text of bullshit, maybe turn off CNN for a moment?

Or read the actual report.

The tactic of the left seems to be if they JUST LIE HARD ENOUGH, reality will conform to their desires.

 

[Norman]

Smart people such as Mueler figured out the collusion story was retarded nonsense a long time ago. Real dumb CNN viewers still haven't got a clue.

So Mueller knew within weeks that the collusion shit was a fraud, yet continued with the farce over the course of two years, Unethical at the very least, sounds criminal to me.

Mueller knew from the day he was appointed that "collusion" wasn't a crime so he wasn't looking for collusion, he was looking for "conspiracy". While Mueller found hundreds of meetings with Russians and enthusiasm for Russian help to elect Trump, There was INSUFFICIENT EVIDENCE of conspiracy to convict beyond a reasonable doubt. Not "no evidence", you ignorant partisan hack.

Trump was not exonerated of conspiring with the Russians. He was not indicted because Mueller thought he was too stupid to know that the Russians they were dealing with were GRU.

On the question of obstruction, Mueller found enough evidence to obstruction to both indict and convict Trump of witness tampering, and obstructing the Russian investigation. Mueller also said that he found some of Trump's written responses to his questions were not truthful. In any event, he found plenty of evidence for Congress to write Articles of Impeachment.

Trump thinks he'll be more popular if he's impeached, like Bill Clinton. Clinton was not a lying criminal in the thrall of Russia. Clinton was investigated for 6 1/2 years by a special counsel hired by Republicans to "get Clinton", and all he got after 6 1/2 years and $70 million dollars was a lie about a blow job.

Mueller investigated Trump for two years, dealt with a totally uncooperative subject, and continual threats and obstruction of his investigation. Mueller left the question of obstruction to Congress, and Barr has tried to do an end around and declare Trump "exonerated". Mueller delivered a redacted version of his Report, and Summaries to Barr so that it could be delivered to both the Justice Department and Congress, simultaneously.

Barr did not release Mueller's Summaries, and in fact didn't even mention them or Mueller's Redacted Report. Instead he put out his own 4-page Summary and then sat on Mueller's actual summaries and conclusions for a month while both Barr and Trump spun this "no collusion, no obstruction" lie.

Now they're refusing to give Congress the unredacted Report, they're refusing to allow Congress to proceed to their Investigation Phase, and are trying to say that the whole matter of obstruction is "case closed". I don't think so Bucko. Over 700 prosecutors have signed a letter saying that if Donald Trump was not President, he'd be indicted.

It wasn't Watergate that took down Nixon. It was the cover-up.

Fucking liar.

{
The investigation did not establish any agreement among Campaign officials?
or between such officials and Russia-linked individuals to interfere with or obstruct a lawful
function of a government agency during the campaign or transition period. And, as discussed in
Volume 1, Section V.A, supra, the investigation did not identify evidence that any Campaign
official or associate knowingly and intentionally participated in the conspiracy to defraud that the
Office charged, namely, the active-measures conspiracy described in Volume 1, Section II, supra.
Accordingly, the Office did not charge any Campaign associate or other US. person with
conspiracy to defraud the United States based on the Russia-related contacts described in Section
IV above.}

So, I know you didn't read the report and are just repeating shit from the hate sites.

But do you KNOW that you're lying, or are you just blindly spewing shit you were programmed with? See, the thing is that I've posted dozens and dozens of chunks of the actual report - which absolutely proves that you're claim is a falsehood - hence you HAVE to be deliberately lying.

It's as if you sociopathic Stalinists think you can just lie reality into submission - that just one more lie will make your desires the truth rather than the facts.

You have no integrity. Do better.

I would not waste my time with whether she is lying or just stupid. It's both and she doesn't give a shit either way.

 

[RealDave]

Note how Trumpettes don't care how Trump trashes the Constitution.

Trump says he will divert money Congress designated to the military. This is money the military does not need.

Yet military bases are still not repaired from a Hurricane 6 months earlier because they don't have funding.

Is it you hate our troops? Is it you hate the Constitution? Is it you are actually so stupid that you think this all will help the current mess at our border with Mexico? Is it you think this wall is worth cutting funding to illegal drug screening at crossing points?

What do you care about our military? You're a worthless leftist traitor hack.

I have always cared about our troops & veterans.

You voted for a man who thought himself too important to be drafted & then trashed the military service of veterans, gold Star Families & even called a soldier's widow a liar on the very day she met her husbands coffin get unloaded upon his return home.

So don't you dare pretend you give a rart's ass about our troops.

/——/ Your number one guy in the poll thought he was too important to serve, so are you voting for Old Joe ?

1) Joe Biden did not get a doctor to say he had bone spurs.
2) Joe Biden does not trash our veterans.

 

[daveman]

And when he got back, he had POW records sealed -- dooming any of his fellow American servicemembers still being held.

He was a piece of shit. No wonder Democrats venerate him.

WTF are you babbling about now? McCain came home with the rest of the POWs. Sealing records? WTF, over?

Pay attention.

The Pentagon had been withholding significant information from POW families for years. What’s more, the Pentagon’s POW/MIA operation had been publicly shamed by internal whistleblowers and POW families for holding back documents as part of a policy of “debunking” POW intelligence even when the information was obviously credible.

The pressure from the families and Vietnam veterans finally forced the creation, in late 1991, of a Senate Select Committee on POW/MIA Affairs. The chairman was John Kerry. McCain, as a former POW, was its most pivotal member. In the end, the committee became part of the debunking machine.


One of the sharpest critics of the Pentagon’s performance was an insider, Air Force Lt. Gen. Eugene Tighe, who headed the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) during the 1970s. He openly challenged the Pentagon’s position that no live prisoners existed, saying that the evidence proved otherwise. McCain was a bitter opponent of Tighe, who was eventually pushed into retirement.

Included in the evidence that McCain and his government allies suppressed or sought to discredit is a transcript of a senior North Vietnamese general’s briefing of the Hanoi politburo, discovered in Soviet archives by an American scholar in 1993. The briefing took place only four months before the 1973 peace accords. The general, Tran Van Quang, told the politburo members that Hanoi was holding 1,205 American prisoners but would keep many of them at war’s end as leverage to ensure getting war reparations from Washington.

Throughout the Paris negotiations, the North Vietnamese tied the prisoner issue tightly to the issue of reparations. They were adamant in refusing to deal with them separately. Finally, in a Feb. 2, 1973 formal letter to Hanoi’s premier, Pham Van Dong, Nixon pledged $3.25 billion in “postwar reconstruction” aid “without any political conditions.” But he also attached to the letter a codicil that said the aid would be implemented by each party “in accordance with its own constitutional provisions.” That meant Congress would have to approve the appropriation, and Nixon and Kissinger knew well that Congress was in no mood to do so. The North Vietnamese, whether or not they immediately understood the double-talk in the letter, remained skeptical about the reparations promise being honored—and it never was. Hanoi thus appears to have held back prisoners—just as it had done when the French were defeated at Dien Bien Phu in 1954 and withdrew their forces from Vietnam. In that case, France paid ransoms for prisoners and brought them home.

In a private briefing in 1992, high-level CIA officials told me that as the years passed and the ransom never came, it became more and more difficult for either government to admit that it knew from the start about the unacknowledged prisoners. Those prisoners had not only become useless as bargaining chips but also posed a risk to Hanoi’s desire to be accepted into the international community. The CIA officials said their intelligence indicated strongly that the remaining men—those who had not died from illness or hard labor or torture—were eventually executed.

...

An early and critical McCain secrecy move involved 1990 legislation that started in the House of Representatives. A brief and simple document, it was called “the Truth Bill” and would have compelled complete transparency about prisoners and missing men. Its core sentence reads: “[The] head of each department or agency which holds or receives any records and information, including live-sighting reports, which have been correlated or possibly correlated to United States personnel listed as prisoner of war or missing in action from World War II, the Korean conflict and the Vietnam conflict, shall make available to the public all such records held or received by that department or agency.”

Bitterly opposed by the Pentagon (and thus McCain), the bill went nowhere. Reintroduced the following year, it again disappeared. But a few months later, a new measure, known as “the McCain Bill,”suddenly appeared. By creating a bureaucratic maze from which only a fraction of the documents could emerge—only records that revealed no POW secrets—it turned the Truth Bill on its head. The McCain bill became law in 1991 and remains so today. So crushing to transparency are its provisions that it actually spells out for the Pentagon and other agencies several rationales, scenarios, and justifications for not releasing any information at all—even about prisoners discovered alive in captivity. Later that year, the Senate Select Committee was created, where Kerry and McCain ultimately worked together to bury evidence.

McCain was also instrumental in amending the Missing Service Personnel Act, which had been strengthened in 1995 by POW advocates to include criminal penalties, saying, “Any government official who knowingly and willfully withholds from the file of a missing person any information relating to the disappearance or whereabouts and status of a missing person shall be fined as provided in Title 18 or imprisoned not more than one year or both.” A year later, in a closed House-Senate conference on an unrelated military bill, McCain, at the behest of the Pentagon, attached a crippling amendment to the act, stripping out its only enforcement teeth, the criminal penalties, and reducing the obligations of commanders in the field to speedily search for missing men and to report the incidents to the Pentagon.

About the relaxation of POW/MIA obligations on commanders in the field, a public McCain memo said, “This transfers the bureaucracy involved out of the [battle] field to Washington.” He wrote that the original legislation, if left intact, “would accomplish nothing but create new jobs for lawyers and turn military commanders into clerks.”

McCain argued that keeping the criminal penalties would have made it impossible for the Pentagon to find staffers willing to work on POW/MIA matters. That’s an odd argument to make. Were staffers only “willing to work” if they were allowed to conceal POW records? By eviscerating the law, McCain gave his stamp of approval to the government policy of debunking the existence of live POWs.

McCain has insisted again and again that all the evidence—documents, witnesses, satellite photos, two Pentagon chiefs’ sworn testimony, aborted rescue missions, ransom offers apparently scorned—has been woven together by unscrupulous deceivers to create an insidious and unpatriotic myth. He calls it the “bizarre rantings of the MIA hobbyists.” He has regularly vilified those who keep trying to pry out classified documents as “hoaxers,” “charlatans,” “conspiracy theorists,” and “dime-store Rambos.”

Some of McCain’s fellow captives at Hoa Lo prison in Hanoi didn’t share his views about prisoners left behind. Before he died of leukemia in 1999, retired Col. Ted Guy, a highly admired POW and one of the most dogged resisters in the camps, wrote an angry open letter to the senator in an MIA newsletter—a response to McCain’s stream of insults hurled at MIA activists. Guy wrote, “John, does this [the insults] include Senator Bob Smith [a New Hampshire Republican and activist on POW issues] and other concerned elected officials? Does this include the families of the missing where there is overwhelming evidence that their loved ones were ‘last known alive’? Does this include some of your fellow POWs?”
​

This is the man the left now venerates.

All you provided were ancient fucking fantasies that time has proven to be just that. Post your bullshit in the conspiracy theory thread where it belongs.

Lemme guess -- you screeched against McCain's candidacy but started sucking his ass when he criticized Trump, too, didn't you?

Assuming you're old enough to remember McCain's candidacy. I was on active duty at the time. I didn't like his involvement in abandoning American POWs to Communist torture.

Wrong again, anus breath!

I never liked McCain politically, but I refuse to let people get away with lying about anyone. There are probably millions out there that still blame McCain for the fire on the USS Forrestal because they refuse to even bother researching the facts.

I was serving fro 1978 to 1994 on active duty and stayed in the IRR another 7 years.

Now, what were you bitching about? Oh, that's right. You are off topic for the thread and trying to stir the shit pot. Carry on, dumbass!

This whole thread is nothing but a shit pot. And you don't seem to mind the lies told about Trump.

But that's not at all surprising.

 

[RealDave]

More proof Trump thinks Trumpettes are stupid

Kind of amusing how you think Trump thinks his supporters are stupid (not necessarily saying you're wrong, either), but you don't believe the Clintons think you're stupid.

Not at all.

Hillery survives two Republican attacks on her integrity & lost. She testified when asked to do so.

Hillary did a good job as Secretary of State.

 

[RealDave]

WTF are you babbling about now? McCain came home with the rest of the POWs. Sealing records? WTF, over?

Pay attention.

The Pentagon had been withholding significant information from POW families for years. What’s more, the Pentagon’s POW/MIA operation had been publicly shamed by internal whistleblowers and POW families for holding back documents as part of a policy of “debunking” POW intelligence even when the information was obviously credible.

The pressure from the families and Vietnam veterans finally forced the creation, in late 1991, of a Senate Select Committee on POW/MIA Affairs. The chairman was John Kerry. McCain, as a former POW, was its most pivotal member. In the end, the committee became part of the debunking machine.


One of the sharpest critics of the Pentagon’s performance was an insider, Air Force Lt. Gen. Eugene Tighe, who headed the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) during the 1970s. He openly challenged the Pentagon’s position that no live prisoners existed, saying that the evidence proved otherwise. McCain was a bitter opponent of Tighe, who was eventually pushed into retirement.

Included in the evidence that McCain and his government allies suppressed or sought to discredit is a transcript of a senior North Vietnamese general’s briefing of the Hanoi politburo, discovered in Soviet archives by an American scholar in 1993. The briefing took place only four months before the 1973 peace accords. The general, Tran Van Quang, told the politburo members that Hanoi was holding 1,205 American prisoners but would keep many of them at war’s end as leverage to ensure getting war reparations from Washington.

Throughout the Paris negotiations, the North Vietnamese tied the prisoner issue tightly to the issue of reparations. They were adamant in refusing to deal with them separately. Finally, in a Feb. 2, 1973 formal letter to Hanoi’s premier, Pham Van Dong, Nixon pledged $3.25 billion in “postwar reconstruction” aid “without any political conditions.” But he also attached to the letter a codicil that said the aid would be implemented by each party “in accordance with its own constitutional provisions.” That meant Congress would have to approve the appropriation, and Nixon and Kissinger knew well that Congress was in no mood to do so. The North Vietnamese, whether or not they immediately understood the double-talk in the letter, remained skeptical about the reparations promise being honored—and it never was. Hanoi thus appears to have held back prisoners—just as it had done when the French were defeated at Dien Bien Phu in 1954 and withdrew their forces from Vietnam. In that case, France paid ransoms for prisoners and brought them home.

In a private briefing in 1992, high-level CIA officials told me that as the years passed and the ransom never came, it became more and more difficult for either government to admit that it knew from the start about the unacknowledged prisoners. Those prisoners had not only become useless as bargaining chips but also posed a risk to Hanoi’s desire to be accepted into the international community. The CIA officials said their intelligence indicated strongly that the remaining men—those who had not died from illness or hard labor or torture—were eventually executed.

...

An early and critical McCain secrecy move involved 1990 legislation that started in the House of Representatives. A brief and simple document, it was called “the Truth Bill” and would have compelled complete transparency about prisoners and missing men. Its core sentence reads: “[The] head of each department or agency which holds or receives any records and information, including live-sighting reports, which have been correlated or possibly correlated to United States personnel listed as prisoner of war or missing in action from World War II, the Korean conflict and the Vietnam conflict, shall make available to the public all such records held or received by that department or agency.”

Bitterly opposed by the Pentagon (and thus McCain), the bill went nowhere. Reintroduced the following year, it again disappeared. But a few months later, a new measure, known as “the McCain Bill,”suddenly appeared. By creating a bureaucratic maze from which only a fraction of the documents could emerge—only records that revealed no POW secrets—it turned the Truth Bill on its head. The McCain bill became law in 1991 and remains so today. So crushing to transparency are its provisions that it actually spells out for the Pentagon and other agencies several rationales, scenarios, and justifications for not releasing any information at all—even about prisoners discovered alive in captivity. Later that year, the Senate Select Committee was created, where Kerry and McCain ultimately worked together to bury evidence.

McCain was also instrumental in amending the Missing Service Personnel Act, which had been strengthened in 1995 by POW advocates to include criminal penalties, saying, “Any government official who knowingly and willfully withholds from the file of a missing person any information relating to the disappearance or whereabouts and status of a missing person shall be fined as provided in Title 18 or imprisoned not more than one year or both.” A year later, in a closed House-Senate conference on an unrelated military bill, McCain, at the behest of the Pentagon, attached a crippling amendment to the act, stripping out its only enforcement teeth, the criminal penalties, and reducing the obligations of commanders in the field to speedily search for missing men and to report the incidents to the Pentagon.

About the relaxation of POW/MIA obligations on commanders in the field, a public McCain memo said, “This transfers the bureaucracy involved out of the [battle] field to Washington.” He wrote that the original legislation, if left intact, “would accomplish nothing but create new jobs for lawyers and turn military commanders into clerks.”

McCain argued that keeping the criminal penalties would have made it impossible for the Pentagon to find staffers willing to work on POW/MIA matters. That’s an odd argument to make. Were staffers only “willing to work” if they were allowed to conceal POW records? By eviscerating the law, McCain gave his stamp of approval to the government policy of debunking the existence of live POWs.

McCain has insisted again and again that all the evidence—documents, witnesses, satellite photos, two Pentagon chiefs’ sworn testimony, aborted rescue missions, ransom offers apparently scorned—has been woven together by unscrupulous deceivers to create an insidious and unpatriotic myth. He calls it the “bizarre rantings of the MIA hobbyists.” He has regularly vilified those who keep trying to pry out classified documents as “hoaxers,” “charlatans,” “conspiracy theorists,” and “dime-store Rambos.”

Some of McCain’s fellow captives at Hoa Lo prison in Hanoi didn’t share his views about prisoners left behind. Before he died of leukemia in 1999, retired Col. Ted Guy, a highly admired POW and one of the most dogged resisters in the camps, wrote an angry open letter to the senator in an MIA newsletter—a response to McCain’s stream of insults hurled at MIA activists. Guy wrote, “John, does this [the insults] include Senator Bob Smith [a New Hampshire Republican and activist on POW issues] and other concerned elected officials? Does this include the families of the missing where there is overwhelming evidence that their loved ones were ‘last known alive’? Does this include some of your fellow POWs?”
​

This is the man the left now venerates.

All you provided were ancient fucking fantasies that time has proven to be just that. Post your bullshit in the conspiracy theory thread where it belongs.

Lemme guess -- you screeched against McCain's candidacy but started sucking his ass when he criticized Trump, too, didn't you?

Assuming you're old enough to remember McCain's candidacy. I was on active duty at the time. I didn't like his involvement in abandoning American POWs to Communist torture.

Wrong again, anus breath!

I never liked McCain politically, but I refuse to let people get away with lying about anyone. There are probably millions out there that still blame McCain for the fire on the USS Forrestal because they refuse to even bother researching the facts.

I was serving fro 1978 to 1994 on active duty and stayed in the IRR another 7 years.

Now, what were you bitching about? Oh, that's right. You are off topic for the thread and trying to stir the shit pot. Carry on, dumbass!

This whole thread is nothing but a shit pot. And you don't seem to mind the lies told about Trump.

But that's not at all surprising.

Funny chit. The lies told about Trump? You mean the lies told by Trump.

What lies are being told bout Trump?

 

[daveman]

The Trump created Crisis.

Pretty sure illegals in the US stand at 20mil? You’re a moron. Started way before Trump.

Trump changed policy & held all those caught trying to cross the border. Any idiot would know this would end up filling up all the space we had to hold these people. Add in those asking for asylum. Then add in all the children he took. Trump created this mess. He has no clue how to fix it. He cut funding to the Central American countries so they less able to provide safety for ther people which will drive more asylum seekers.

This is what you get when you elect a President who knows basically nothing but thinks he knows everything.

Plus Trump keeps saying he;s going to close the border which makes the frightened people who fear for their lives run now, BEFORE the border is closed.

Mexico offered them jobs and support.

Weird how they turned all that down, innit?

No, they didn't off them jack shit. And Mexico has it's own problems with narco-terrorists.

I don't know who you listen to you, but they count on your gullibility to believe their lies.

Mexico offers caravan migrants benefits to stay; thousands refuse

 

[RealDave]

Note how Trumpettes don't care how Trump trashes the Constitution.

Trump says he will divert money Congress designated to the military. This is money the military does not need.

Yet military bases are still not repaired from a Hurricane 6 months earlier because they don't have funding.

Is it you hate our troops? Is it you hate the Constitution? Is it you are actually so stupid that you think this all will help the current mess at our border with Mexico? Is it you think this wall is worth cutting funding to illegal drug screening at crossing points?

What do you care about our military? You're a worthless leftist traitor hack.

I have always cared about our troops & veterans.

You voted for a man who thought himself too important to be drafted & then trashed the military service of veterans, gold Star Families & even called a soldier's widow a liar on the very day she met her husbands coffin get unloaded upon his return home.

So don't you dare pretend you give a rart's ass about our troops.

/——/ Your number one guy in the poll thought he was too important to serve, so are you voting for Old Joe ?

You are confused. When you buddy dick Cheney was asked why he did not serve, he said he had better things to do. I guarantee you voted for Cheney. Fuck you.

 

[Cellblock2429]

Note how Trumpettes don't care how Trump trashes the Constitution.

Trump says he will divert money Congress designated to the military. This is money the military does not need.

Yet military bases are still not repaired from a Hurricane 6 months earlier because they don't have funding.

Is it you hate our troops? Is it you hate the Constitution? Is it you are actually so stupid that you think this all will help the current mess at our border with Mexico? Is it you think this wall is worth cutting funding to illegal drug screening at crossing points?

What do you care about our military? You're a worthless leftist traitor hack.

I have always cared about our troops & veterans.

You voted for a man who thought himself too important to be drafted & then trashed the military service of veterans, gold Star Families & even called a soldier's widow a liar on the very day she met her husbands coffin get unloaded upon his return home.

So don't you dare pretend you give a rart's ass about our troops.

/——/ Your number one guy in the poll thought he was too important to serve, so are you voting for Old Joe ?

1) Joe Biden did not get a doctor to say he had bone spurs.
2) Joe Biden does not trash our veterans.

/---/ And neither did Trump. BTW, moron, bone spurs are a legitimate medical problem. If you ever had them (I did) you'd know the incredible pain they cause. Now imagine a 20-mile forced hike in full gear. You Trump hating dolt.

Here is a photo of Trump trashing veterans.

 

[daveman]

Gotta love it when RealDave totally owns himself and doesn't even know it.

Laugh all you want. I identify you Trumpettes for what you are everyday. Uneducated, uninformed Trump supporters. Wave that flag as you you piss on it with your support of Trump.

You know most of the military support President Trump, right?

FakeDave you’re embarrassing yourself again

Someone said most of the military support your fat assed orange buddy but they don't. Especially disturbing for you Trumpettes since the military typically favor Republicans by much more likely because Republicans love war.

You really believe the military will support your Revolution, don't you?

Tool.

 

[RealDave]

Note how Trumpettes don't care how Trump trashes the Constitution.

Trump says he will divert money Congress designated to the military. This is money the military does not need.

Yet military bases are still not repaired from a Hurricane 6 months earlier because they don't have funding.

Is it you hate our troops? Is it you hate the Constitution? Is it you are actually so stupid that you think this all will help the current mess at our border with Mexico? Is it you think this wall is worth cutting funding to illegal drug screening at crossing points?

Protecting the nation is more important than repairing useless military bases.

I was right. You assfucks do hate the military. So what if our troops must live in deplorable conditions so Littledick Donnie can keep a stupid campaign promise & trash the Constitution.

Wow. THat is some of the stupidest "logic" I have ever seen.


Your politics make a lot more sense, now that I see who stupid you are.

The base was in bad shape since the Hurricane. Evidently the militasy had no money to fix it. Butt hey, the found money for the wall.

 

[daveman]

The Trump created Crisis.

Pretty sure illegals in the US stand at 20mil? You’re a moron. Started way before Trump.

Trump changed policy & held all those caught trying to cross the border. Any idiot would know this would end up filling up all the space we had to hold these people. Add in those asking for asylum. Then add in all the children he took. Trump created this mess. He has no clue how to fix it. He cut funding to the Central American countries so they less able to provide safety for ther people which will drive more asylum seekers.

This is what you get when you elect a President who knows basically nothing but thinks he knows everything.

Plus Trump keeps saying he;s going to close the border which makes the frightened people who fear for their lives run now, BEFORE the border is closed.

Fear what? The cartels are running this whole operation

The cartels who get their power from the US drug market.

Then maybe you should stop buying their drugs.

 

[Cellblock2429]

Note how Trumpettes don't care how Trump trashes the Constitution.

Trump says he will divert money Congress designated to the military. This is money the military does not need.

Yet military bases are still not repaired from a Hurricane 6 months earlier because they don't have funding.

Is it you hate our troops? Is it you hate the Constitution? Is it you are actually so stupid that you think this all will help the current mess at our border with Mexico? Is it you think this wall is worth cutting funding to illegal drug screening at crossing points?

What do you care about our military? You're a worthless leftist traitor hack.

I have always cared about our troops & veterans.

You voted for a man who thought himself too important to be drafted & then trashed the military service of veterans, gold Star Families & even called a soldier's widow a liar on the very day she met her husbands coffin get unloaded upon his return home.

So don't you dare pretend you give a rart's ass about our troops.

/——/ Your number one guy in the poll thought he was too important to serve, so are you voting for Old Joe ?

You are confused. When you buddy dick Cheney was asked why he did not serve, he said he had better things to do. I guarantee you voted for Cheney. Fuck you.

/---/ I never voted for Cheney for anything. My vote was for GW Bush and Cheney was on the ticket. BTW he made a great VP. Now what about Joe not serving?