More than 1,000 weapons stashed at biker shooting scene

[2aguy]

There's nothing wrong with the Second Amendment or people "bearing arms" as long as they do it in a lawful manner.

When tens of thousands die each year from guns shots, it is clear that people aren't doing it lawfully. Maybe we should tax gun owners to pay for all the court costs and personal damage.

How many thousands die from gunshots and how many millions of people in this country own firearms? How many thousands of people die from automobile accidents, stabbings, poison, and straight up assaults?

Read my lips. There is NO justification for the tens of thousands of gun-related deaths in the U.S. So you want to compare gun deaths versus auto deaths? We can do that:

The biggest difference between an automobile and a gun is that automobiles are not designed specifically to kill. To say nothing of the fact that automobile deaths have dropped by nearly a third in 12 years while gun-related deaths have risen by 25%.

No....guns are designed to save the life of the user and in 54% of self defense encounters they aren't even fired and the attack is stopped....

as to which is more dangerous....the violence policy center is a rabid anti-gun nut site......who use fake numbers...

Are guns more likely to kill you than a car is No - Crime Prevention Research Center crimeresearch.org

No sir. Guns have NEVER been designed with the primary intent on saving people's lives. That is an NRA lie. That have been designed from day one to kill. Full stop. That was, and has always been their primary purpose.

No, their primary purpose is to save the life of the user....and since you seem to read the NRA site...tell me what they say because I don't go there.......

I do occasionally go to "The Armed Citizen" to read the stories of good people with guns stopping violent criminals and saving lives with guns........which is the primary purpose of a gun...to save the life of the user....

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

I don't see white political leaders rushing to defend these idiots, or make excuses for their behavior.

Yeah but none of them had their spines snapped for no reason during a false arrest...no one died in the Baltimore disturbance the white thug culture killed nine...


Baltimore Zero death

white folks in Waco Texas ...nine dead

So I guess the cops shooting em doesnt count for some reason.

 

[2aguy]

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf

guns, drowning and poisoning....

If you cared about people....you would push to ban the following...


http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf

Cars, Accidental deaths 2013......35,369

Poisons...accidental deaths 2013....38,851

Alcohol...accidental deaths 2013...29,001

gravity....accidental falling deaths 2013...30,208


Accidental gun deaths 2013......505


2012...

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr63/nvsr63_09.pdf

Then by year accidental gun deaths going down according to CDC final statistics table 10 from 2010-2013...

2010...606
2011...591
2012...548
2013...505

 

[2aguy]

I don't see white political leaders rushing to defend these idiots, or make excuses for their behavior.

Yeah but none of them had their spines snapped for no reason during a false arrest...no one died in the Baltimore disturbance the white thug culture killed nine...


Baltimore Zero death

white folks in Waco Texas ...nine dead

So I guess the cops shooting em doesnt count for some reason.

No, in Baltimore they just kill each other intentionally every night...and it is getting worse...you do realize that Baltimore is one of the 25 most dangerous cities in the U.S....right? been run by democrats for decades.....

 

[2aguy]

Good night....sleep tight....keep your gun on the night stand and your doors locked..........

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

I don't see white political leaders rushing to defend these idiots, or make excuses for their behavior.

Yeah but none of them had their spines snapped for no reason during a false arrest...no one died in the Baltimore disturbance the white thug culture killed nine...


Baltimore Zero death

white folks in Waco Texas ...nine dead

So I guess the cops shooting em doesnt count for some reason.

No, in Baltimore they just kill each other intentionally every night...and it is getting worse...you do realize that Baltimore is one of the 25 most dangerous cities in the U.S....right? been run by democrats for decades.....

Pretty sure you misinterpreted my post.

 

[orogenicman]

When tens of thousands die each year from guns shots, it is clear that people aren't doing it lawfully. Maybe we should tax gun owners to pay for all the court costs and personal damage.

How many thousands die from gunshots and how many millions of people in this country own firearms? How many thousands of people die from automobile accidents, stabbings, poison, and straight up assaults?

Read my lips. There is NO justification for the tens of thousands of gun-related deaths in the U.S. So you want to compare gun deaths versus auto deaths? We can do that:

The biggest difference between an automobile and a gun is that automobiles are not designed specifically to kill. To say nothing of the fact that automobile deaths have dropped by nearly a third in 12 years while gun-related deaths have risen by 25%.

No....guns are designed to save the life of the user and in 54% of self defense encounters they aren't even fired and the attack is stopped....

as to which is more dangerous....the violence policy center is a rabid anti-gun nut site......who use fake numbers...

Are guns more likely to kill you than a car is No - Crime Prevention Research Center crimeresearch.org

No sir. Guns have NEVER been designed with the primary intent on saving people's lives. That is an NRA lie. That have been designed from day one to kill. Full stop. That was, and has always been their primary purpose.

No, their primary purpose is to save the life of the user....and since you seem to read the NRA site...tell me what they say because I don't go there.......

I do occasionally go to "The Armed Citizen" to read the stories of good people with guns stopping violent criminals and saving lives with guns........which is the primary purpose of a gun...to save the life of the user....

Yeah, I'm sure you do frequent armed gun web sites. Perhaps you should spend more time reading obituaries.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

There is your right to bear arms at work:

More than 1 000 weapons stashed at biker shooting scene National News - WLKY Home

WACO, Texas (CNN) —A gun stuffed inside a bag of tortilla chips. Weapons wedged between bags of flour. A handgun left in a toilet.

Days after a massive shootout left nine bikers dead, police are finding more evidence and clues about what happened at a Twin Peaks restaurant in Waco, Texas.

Among them: More than 1,000 weapons left behind. And some bikers may have stashed away even more, police said.

"These were vicious criminals that knew that they were in trouble, and they were trying to dispose of evidence," Waco Police Sgt. W. Patrick Swanton said.

With 170 suspects in custody, authorities have a complex investigation on their hands. All of the suspects face charges of engaging in organized crime, and each one has bail set at $1 million.

So far, only one person has made bail. Jeff Battey, 40, bonded out of the McLennan County jail on Wednesday, a law enforcement source with knowledge of the investigation said.

More at the link.

There's nothing wrong with the Second Amendment or people "bearing arms" as long as they do it in a lawful manner.

When tens of thousands die each year from guns shots, it is clear that people aren't doing it lawfully. Maybe we should tax gun owners to pay for all the court costs and personal damage.

How many of those are murders and how many are justified?

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

How many thousands die from gunshots and how many millions of people in this country own firearms? How many thousands of people die from automobile accidents, stabbings, poison, and straight up assaults?

Read my lips. There is NO justification for the tens of thousands of gun-related deaths in the U.S. So you want to compare gun deaths versus auto deaths? We can do that:

The biggest difference between an automobile and a gun is that automobiles are not designed specifically to kill. To say nothing of the fact that automobile deaths have dropped by nearly a third in 12 years while gun-related deaths have risen by 25%.

No....guns are designed to save the life of the user and in 54% of self defense encounters they aren't even fired and the attack is stopped....

as to which is more dangerous....the violence policy center is a rabid anti-gun nut site......who use fake numbers...

Are guns more likely to kill you than a car is No - Crime Prevention Research Center crimeresearch.org

No sir. Guns have NEVER been designed with the primary intent on saving people's lives. That is an NRA lie. That have been designed from day one to kill. Full stop. That was, and has always been their primary purpose.

No, their primary purpose is to save the life of the user....and since you seem to read the NRA site...tell me what they say because I don't go there.......

I do occasionally go to "The Armed Citizen" to read the stories of good people with guns stopping violent criminals and saving lives with guns........which is the primary purpose of a gun...to save the life of the user....

Yeah, I'm sure you do frequent armed gun web sites. Perhaps you should spend more time reading obituaries.

The majority of em are gonna be from blacks and hispanics killing people.

 

[Jarlaxle]

You use the term "weapons." How many were actual firearms, and how many were things like chains, shiv's, bats, crowbars, etc?

I recall that many were padlocks!

Note that many motorcyclists do, in fact, carry a padlock when they ride!

 

[LuckyDuck01!]

The Hell's Angels, Bandido's, et cetera, are all violent gangs. Instead of imprisoning them, force them along with their bikes onto a large transport plane and dump them off in ISIS held territory, then dump their weapons (guns, knives, bats, chains) off via parachute upon leaving and let them get their aggression out on ISIS.

 

[mudwhistle]

There is your right to bear arms at work:

More than 1 000 weapons stashed at biker shooting scene National News - WLKY Home

WACO, Texas (CNN) —A gun stuffed inside a bag of tortilla chips. Weapons wedged between bags of flour. A handgun left in a toilet.

Days after a massive shootout left nine bikers dead, police are finding more evidence and clues about what happened at a Twin Peaks restaurant in Waco, Texas.

Among them: More than 1,000 weapons left behind. And some bikers may have stashed away even more, police said.

"These were vicious criminals that knew that they were in trouble, and they were trying to dispose of evidence," Waco Police Sgt. W. Patrick Swanton said.

With 170 suspects in custody, authorities have a complex investigation on their hands. All of the suspects face charges of engaging in organized crime, and each one has bail set at $1 million.

So far, only one person has made bail. Jeff Battey, 40, bonded out of the McLennan County jail on Wednesday, a law enforcement source with knowledge of the investigation said.

More at the link.

There's nothing wrong with the Second Amendment or people "bearing arms" as long as they do it in a lawful manner.

When tens of thousands die each year from guns shots, it is clear that people aren't doing it lawfully. Maybe we should tax gun owners to pay for all the court costs and personal damage.

Tens of thousands??? Really??? Did you know most deaths from gunshot are suicides? Who pays for improper gun safety during a suicide? If they didn't kill themselves with a gun they will probably try it another way. How are you going to stop a person from slicing their wrists or taking a bottle of sleeping pills......outlaw knives and issue pills one at a time?

 

[orogenicman]

There is your right to bear arms at work:

More than 1 000 weapons stashed at biker shooting scene National News - WLKY Home

WACO, Texas (CNN) —A gun stuffed inside a bag of tortilla chips. Weapons wedged between bags of flour. A handgun left in a toilet.

Days after a massive shootout left nine bikers dead, police are finding more evidence and clues about what happened at a Twin Peaks restaurant in Waco, Texas.

Among them: More than 1,000 weapons left behind. And some bikers may have stashed away even more, police said.

"These were vicious criminals that knew that they were in trouble, and they were trying to dispose of evidence," Waco Police Sgt. W. Patrick Swanton said.

With 170 suspects in custody, authorities have a complex investigation on their hands. All of the suspects face charges of engaging in organized crime, and each one has bail set at $1 million.

So far, only one person has made bail. Jeff Battey, 40, bonded out of the McLennan County jail on Wednesday, a law enforcement source with knowledge of the investigation said.

More at the link.

There's nothing wrong with the Second Amendment or people "bearing arms" as long as they do it in a lawful manner.

When tens of thousands die each year from guns shots, it is clear that people aren't doing it lawfully. Maybe we should tax gun owners to pay for all the court costs and personal damage.

Tens of thousands??? Really??? Did you know most deaths from gunshot are suicides? Who pays for improper gun safety during a suicide? If they didn't kill themselves with a gun they will probably try it another way. How are you going to stop a person from slicing their wrists or taking a bottle of sleeping pills......outlaw knives and issue pills one at a time?

As reported on January 16, 2013

Just the facts Gun violence in America - U.S. News

• Every year in the U.S., an average of more than 100,000 people are shot, according to The Brady Campaign To Prevent Gun Violence.

• Every day in the U.S., an average of 289 people are shot. Eighty-six of them die: 30 are murdered, 53 kill themselves, two die accidentally, and one is shot in a police intervention, the Brady Campaign reports.

• Between 2000 and 2010, a total of 335,609 people died from guns -- more than the population of St. Louis, Mo. (318,069), Pittsburgh (307,484), Cincinnati, Ohio (296,223), Newark, N.J. (277,540), and Orlando, Fla. (243,195) (sources: CDF, U.S. Census; CDC)

• One person is killed by a firearm every 17 minutes, 87 people are killed during an average day, and 609 are killed every week. (source: CDC)

Homicides by weapon:

• Handguns comprised 72.5 percent of the firearms used in murder and non-negligent manslaughter incidents in 2011; 4.1 percent were with shotguns; 3.8 percent were with rifles; 18.5 percent were with unspecified firearms.
• 13.3 percent of homicides were done with knives or other cutting instruments.
• 5.8 percent of homicides were from the use of hands, fists, feet, etc. (source: FBI)

Guns and kids:

• 82 children under five years old died from firearms in 2010 compared with 58 law enforcement officers killed by firearms in the line of duty (sources: CDF, CDC, FBI)
• More kids ages 0-19 died from firearms every three days in 2010 than died in the 2012 Newtown, Conn., massacre (source:CDF, CDC)
• Nearly three times more kids (15,576) were injured by firearms in 2010 than the number of U.S. soldiers (5,247) wounded in action that year in the war in Afghanistan (source: CDF, CDC, Department of Defense)
• Half of all juveniles murdered in 2010 were killed with a firearm (source: Office of Juvenile Justice & Delinquency Prevention)

 

[mudwhistle]

There is your right to bear arms at work:

More than 1 000 weapons stashed at biker shooting scene National News - WLKY Home

WACO, Texas (CNN) —A gun stuffed inside a bag of tortilla chips. Weapons wedged between bags of flour. A handgun left in a toilet.

Days after a massive shootout left nine bikers dead, police are finding more evidence and clues about what happened at a Twin Peaks restaurant in Waco, Texas.

Among them: More than 1,000 weapons left behind. And some bikers may have stashed away even more, police said.

"These were vicious criminals that knew that they were in trouble, and they were trying to dispose of evidence," Waco Police Sgt. W. Patrick Swanton said.

With 170 suspects in custody, authorities have a complex investigation on their hands. All of the suspects face charges of engaging in organized crime, and each one has bail set at $1 million.

So far, only one person has made bail. Jeff Battey, 40, bonded out of the McLennan County jail on Wednesday, a law enforcement source with knowledge of the investigation said.

More at the link.

There's nothing wrong with the Second Amendment or people "bearing arms" as long as they do it in a lawful manner.

When tens of thousands die each year from guns shots, it is clear that people aren't doing it lawfully. Maybe we should tax gun owners to pay for all the court costs and personal damage.

Tens of thousands??? Really??? Did you know most deaths from gunshot are suicides? Who pays for improper gun safety during a suicide? If they didn't kill themselves with a gun they will probably try it another way. How are you going to stop a person from slicing their wrists or taking a bottle of sleeping pills......outlaw knives and issue pills one at a time?

As reported on January 16, 2013

Just the facts Gun violence in America - U.S. News

• Every year in the U.S., an average of more than 100,000 people are shot, according to The Brady Campaign To Prevent Gun Violence.

• Every day in the U.S., an average of 289 people are shot. Eighty-six of them die: 30 are murdered, 53 kill themselves, two die accidentally, and one is shot in a police intervention, the Brady Campaign reports.

• Between 2000 and 2010, a total of 335,609 people died from guns -- more than the population of St. Louis, Mo. (318,069), Pittsburgh (307,484), Cincinnati, Ohio (296,223), Newark, N.J. (277,540), and Orlando, Fla. (243,195) (sources: CDF, U.S. Census; CDC)

• One person is killed by a firearm every 17 minutes, 87 people are killed during an average day, and 609 are killed every week. (source: CDC)

Homicides by weapon:

• Handguns comprised 72.5 percent of the firearms used in murder and non-negligent manslaughter incidents in 2011; 4.1 percent were with shotguns; 3.8 percent were with rifles; 18.5 percent were with unspecified firearms.
• 13.3 percent of homicides were done with knives or other cutting instruments.
• 5.8 percent of homicides were from the use of hands, fists, feet, etc. (source: FBI)

Guns and kids:

• 82 children under five years old died from firearms in 2010 compared with 58 law enforcement officers killed by firearms in the line of duty (sources: CDF, CDC, FBI)
• More kids ages 0-19 died from firearms every three days in 2010 than died in the 2012 Newtown, Conn., massacre (source:CDF, CDC)
• Nearly three times more kids (15,576) were injured by firearms in 2010 than the number of U.S. soldiers (5,247) wounded in action that year in the war in Afghanistan (source: CDF, CDC, Department of Defense)
• Half of all juveniles murdered in 2010 were killed with a firearm (source: Office of Juvenile Justice & Delinquency Prevention)

You're not telling me anything I don't already know. 2/3rds of all gun deaths are by suicide and only a tiny percentage are accidents. Most who are murdered are with illegally obtained guns.

Most of those are killed by approx.1.2% of the total population. Most of those are repeat offenders, and 70% of those are either black or Latino. Seems to me your problem goes away if you just lock those assholes up and make sure they never get out again. The problem isn't guns....but criminals with guns.

Now list all of the millions that die from heart disease or cancer every year. How about the hundreds of thousands that die in auto wrecks. Gun homicides pale in comparison to these.

 

[orogenicman]

There is your right to bear arms at work:

More than 1 000 weapons stashed at biker shooting scene National News - WLKY Home

More at the link.

There's nothing wrong with the Second Amendment or people "bearing arms" as long as they do it in a lawful manner.

When tens of thousands die each year from guns shots, it is clear that people aren't doing it lawfully. Maybe we should tax gun owners to pay for all the court costs and personal damage.

Tens of thousands??? Really??? Did you know most deaths from gunshot are suicides? Who pays for improper gun safety during a suicide? If they didn't kill themselves with a gun they will probably try it another way. How are you going to stop a person from slicing their wrists or taking a bottle of sleeping pills......outlaw knives and issue pills one at a time?

As reported on January 16, 2013

Just the facts Gun violence in America - U.S. News

• Every year in the U.S., an average of more than 100,000 people are shot, according to The Brady Campaign To Prevent Gun Violence.

• Every day in the U.S., an average of 289 people are shot. Eighty-six of them die: 30 are murdered, 53 kill themselves, two die accidentally, and one is shot in a police intervention, the Brady Campaign reports.

• Between 2000 and 2010, a total of 335,609 people died from guns -- more than the population of St. Louis, Mo. (318,069), Pittsburgh (307,484), Cincinnati, Ohio (296,223), Newark, N.J. (277,540), and Orlando, Fla. (243,195) (sources: CDF, U.S. Census; CDC)

• One person is killed by a firearm every 17 minutes, 87 people are killed during an average day, and 609 are killed every week. (source: CDC)

Homicides by weapon:

• Handguns comprised 72.5 percent of the firearms used in murder and non-negligent manslaughter incidents in 2011; 4.1 percent were with shotguns; 3.8 percent were with rifles; 18.5 percent were with unspecified firearms.
• 13.3 percent of homicides were done with knives or other cutting instruments.
• 5.8 percent of homicides were from the use of hands, fists, feet, etc. (source: FBI)

Guns and kids:

• 82 children under five years old died from firearms in 2010 compared with 58 law enforcement officers killed by firearms in the line of duty (sources: CDF, CDC, FBI)
• More kids ages 0-19 died from firearms every three days in 2010 than died in the 2012 Newtown, Conn., massacre (source:CDF, CDC)
• Nearly three times more kids (15,576) were injured by firearms in 2010 than the number of U.S. soldiers (5,247) wounded in action that year in the war in Afghanistan (source: CDF, CDC, Department of Defense)
• Half of all juveniles murdered in 2010 were killed with a firearm (source: Office of Juvenile Justice & Delinquency Prevention)

You're not telling me anything I don't already know. 2/3rds of all gun deaths are by suicide and only a tiny percentage are accidents. Most who are murdered are with illegally obtained guns.

Most of those are killed by approx.1.2% of the total population. Most of those are repeat offenders, and 70% of those are either black or Latino. Seems to me your problem goes away if you just lock those assholes up and make sure they never get out again. The problem isn't guns....but criminals with guns.

Now list all of the millions that die from heart disease or cancer every year. How about the hundreds of thousands that die in auto wrecks. Gun homicides pale in comparison to these.

When I post statistics, I cite my sources. You? Not so much. Makes it more difficult to consider your claims to be credible, IMHO. By the way, your comparison of gun deaths with heart disease and cancer is simply ridiculous. Gun deaths are largely preventable. Get rid of the fucking guns. Japan managed to do it. Are you saying that Japan is better than we are because we must have guns to be safe while they don't? No wonder we are sliding into the third world.

 

[mudwhistle]

There's nothing wrong with the Second Amendment or people "bearing arms" as long as they do it in a lawful manner.

When tens of thousands die each year from guns shots, it is clear that people aren't doing it lawfully. Maybe we should tax gun owners to pay for all the court costs and personal damage.

Tens of thousands??? Really??? Did you know most deaths from gunshot are suicides? Who pays for improper gun safety during a suicide? If they didn't kill themselves with a gun they will probably try it another way. How are you going to stop a person from slicing their wrists or taking a bottle of sleeping pills......outlaw knives and issue pills one at a time?

As reported on January 16, 2013

Just the facts Gun violence in America - U.S. News

• Every year in the U.S., an average of more than 100,000 people are shot, according to The Brady Campaign To Prevent Gun Violence.

• Every day in the U.S., an average of 289 people are shot. Eighty-six of them die: 30 are murdered, 53 kill themselves, two die accidentally, and one is shot in a police intervention, the Brady Campaign reports.

• Between 2000 and 2010, a total of 335,609 people died from guns -- more than the population of St. Louis, Mo. (318,069), Pittsburgh (307,484), Cincinnati, Ohio (296,223), Newark, N.J. (277,540), and Orlando, Fla. (243,195) (sources: CDF, U.S. Census; CDC)

• One person is killed by a firearm every 17 minutes, 87 people are killed during an average day, and 609 are killed every week. (source: CDC)

Homicides by weapon:

• Handguns comprised 72.5 percent of the firearms used in murder and non-negligent manslaughter incidents in 2011; 4.1 percent were with shotguns; 3.8 percent were with rifles; 18.5 percent were with unspecified firearms.
• 13.3 percent of homicides were done with knives or other cutting instruments.
• 5.8 percent of homicides were from the use of hands, fists, feet, etc. (source: FBI)

Guns and kids:

• 82 children under five years old died from firearms in 2010 compared with 58 law enforcement officers killed by firearms in the line of duty (sources: CDF, CDC, FBI)
• More kids ages 0-19 died from firearms every three days in 2010 than died in the 2012 Newtown, Conn., massacre (source:CDF, CDC)
• Nearly three times more kids (15,576) were injured by firearms in 2010 than the number of U.S. soldiers (5,247) wounded in action that year in the war in Afghanistan (source: CDF, CDC, Department of Defense)
• Half of all juveniles murdered in 2010 were killed with a firearm (source: Office of Juvenile Justice & Delinquency Prevention)

You're not telling me anything I don't already know. 2/3rds of all gun deaths are by suicide and only a tiny percentage are accidents. Most who are murdered are with illegally obtained guns.

Most of those are killed by approx.1.2% of the total population. Most of those are repeat offenders, and 70% of those are either black or Latino. Seems to me your problem goes away if you just lock those assholes up and make sure they never get out again. The problem isn't guns....but criminals with guns.

Now list all of the millions that die from heart disease or cancer every year. How about the hundreds of thousands that die in auto wrecks. Gun homicides pale in comparison to these.

When I post statistics, I cite my sources. You? Not so much. Makes it more difficult to consider your claims to be credible, IMHO. By the way, your comparison of gun deaths with heart disease and cancer is simply ridiculous. Gun deaths are largely preventable. Get rid of the fucking guns. Japan managed to do it. Are you saying that Japan is better than we are because we must have guns to be safe while they don't? No wonder we are sliding into the third world.

Problem is...Your statistics don't support your conclusions. Mine they support.

Japan is a totally different situation. They have an extremely harsh penal code and strict drug enforcement, they raise their children to fear and respect authority and they are living on an a series of islands with strict immigration controls.

BTW, suicide is big in Japan....regardless the almost total absence of guns.

 

[orogenicman]

When tens of thousands die each year from guns shots, it is clear that people aren't doing it lawfully. Maybe we should tax gun owners to pay for all the court costs and personal damage.

Tens of thousands??? Really??? Did you know most deaths from gunshot are suicides? Who pays for improper gun safety during a suicide? If they didn't kill themselves with a gun they will probably try it another way. How are you going to stop a person from slicing their wrists or taking a bottle of sleeping pills......outlaw knives and issue pills one at a time?

As reported on January 16, 2013

Just the facts Gun violence in America - U.S. News

• Every year in the U.S., an average of more than 100,000 people are shot, according to The Brady Campaign To Prevent Gun Violence.

• Every day in the U.S., an average of 289 people are shot. Eighty-six of them die: 30 are murdered, 53 kill themselves, two die accidentally, and one is shot in a police intervention, the Brady Campaign reports.

• Between 2000 and 2010, a total of 335,609 people died from guns -- more than the population of St. Louis, Mo. (318,069), Pittsburgh (307,484), Cincinnati, Ohio (296,223), Newark, N.J. (277,540), and Orlando, Fla. (243,195) (sources: CDF, U.S. Census; CDC)

• One person is killed by a firearm every 17 minutes, 87 people are killed during an average day, and 609 are killed every week. (source: CDC)

Homicides by weapon:

• Handguns comprised 72.5 percent of the firearms used in murder and non-negligent manslaughter incidents in 2011; 4.1 percent were with shotguns; 3.8 percent were with rifles; 18.5 percent were with unspecified firearms.
• 13.3 percent of homicides were done with knives or other cutting instruments.
• 5.8 percent of homicides were from the use of hands, fists, feet, etc. (source: FBI)

Guns and kids:

• 82 children under five years old died from firearms in 2010 compared with 58 law enforcement officers killed by firearms in the line of duty (sources: CDF, CDC, FBI)
• More kids ages 0-19 died from firearms every three days in 2010 than died in the 2012 Newtown, Conn., massacre (source:CDF, CDC)
• Nearly three times more kids (15,576) were injured by firearms in 2010 than the number of U.S. soldiers (5,247) wounded in action that year in the war in Afghanistan (source: CDF, CDC, Department of Defense)
• Half of all juveniles murdered in 2010 were killed with a firearm (source: Office of Juvenile Justice & Delinquency Prevention)

You're not telling me anything I don't already know. 2/3rds of all gun deaths are by suicide and only a tiny percentage are accidents. Most who are murdered are with illegally obtained guns.

Most of those are killed by approx.1.2% of the total population. Most of those are repeat offenders, and 70% of those are either black or Latino. Seems to me your problem goes away if you just lock those assholes up and make sure they never get out again. The problem isn't guns....but criminals with guns.

Now list all of the millions that die from heart disease or cancer every year. How about the hundreds of thousands that die in auto wrecks. Gun homicides pale in comparison to these.

When I post statistics, I cite my sources. You? Not so much. Makes it more difficult to consider your claims to be credible, IMHO. By the way, your comparison of gun deaths with heart disease and cancer is simply ridiculous. Gun deaths are largely preventable. Get rid of the fucking guns. Japan managed to do it. Are you saying that Japan is better than we are because we must have guns to be safe while they don't? No wonder we are sliding into the third world.

Problem is...Your statistics don't support your conclusions. Mine they support.

Japan is a totally different situation. They have an extremely harsh penal code and strict drug enforcement, they raise their children to fear and respect authority and they are living on an a series of islands with right immigration controls.

BTW, suicide is big in Japan....regardless the almost total absence of guns.

Japan has the lowest gun death rate in the industrialized world, and one of the lowest incarceration rates. You make it sound like have a strict penal code and drug enforcement is a bad thing. Let's see. You are saying that Americans were never raised to fear and respect authority? Because from where I sit, that has always been a part of Americana. As for tight immigration controls, I agree that is a problem for them because they are causing them a lot of economic problems, something that immigration fear mongers here in the states should think about more seriously. But those immigration controls have nothing to do with the fact that they don't allow guns.

 

[martybegan]

There's nothing wrong with the Second Amendment or people "bearing arms" as long as they do it in a lawful manner.

When tens of thousands die each year from guns shots, it is clear that people aren't doing it lawfully. Maybe we should tax gun owners to pay for all the court costs and personal damage.

Tens of thousands??? Really??? Did you know most deaths from gunshot are suicides? Who pays for improper gun safety during a suicide? If they didn't kill themselves with a gun they will probably try it another way. How are you going to stop a person from slicing their wrists or taking a bottle of sleeping pills......outlaw knives and issue pills one at a time?

As reported on January 16, 2013

Just the facts Gun violence in America - U.S. News

• Every year in the U.S., an average of more than 100,000 people are shot, according to The Brady Campaign To Prevent Gun Violence.

• Every day in the U.S., an average of 289 people are shot. Eighty-six of them die: 30 are murdered, 53 kill themselves, two die accidentally, and one is shot in a police intervention, the Brady Campaign reports.

• Between 2000 and 2010, a total of 335,609 people died from guns -- more than the population of St. Louis, Mo. (318,069), Pittsburgh (307,484), Cincinnati, Ohio (296,223), Newark, N.J. (277,540), and Orlando, Fla. (243,195) (sources: CDF, U.S. Census; CDC)

• One person is killed by a firearm every 17 minutes, 87 people are killed during an average day, and 609 are killed every week. (source: CDC)

Homicides by weapon:

• Handguns comprised 72.5 percent of the firearms used in murder and non-negligent manslaughter incidents in 2011; 4.1 percent were with shotguns; 3.8 percent were with rifles; 18.5 percent were with unspecified firearms.
• 13.3 percent of homicides were done with knives or other cutting instruments.
• 5.8 percent of homicides were from the use of hands, fists, feet, etc. (source: FBI)

Guns and kids:

• 82 children under five years old died from firearms in 2010 compared with 58 law enforcement officers killed by firearms in the line of duty (sources: CDF, CDC, FBI)
• More kids ages 0-19 died from firearms every three days in 2010 than died in the 2012 Newtown, Conn., massacre (source:CDF, CDC)
• Nearly three times more kids (15,576) were injured by firearms in 2010 than the number of U.S. soldiers (5,247) wounded in action that year in the war in Afghanistan (source: CDF, CDC, Department of Defense)
• Half of all juveniles murdered in 2010 were killed with a firearm (source: Office of Juvenile Justice & Delinquency Prevention)

You're not telling me anything I don't already know. 2/3rds of all gun deaths are by suicide and only a tiny percentage are accidents. Most who are murdered are with illegally obtained guns.

Most of those are killed by approx.1.2% of the total population. Most of those are repeat offenders, and 70% of those are either black or Latino. Seems to me your problem goes away if you just lock those assholes up and make sure they never get out again. The problem isn't guns....but criminals with guns.

Now list all of the millions that die from heart disease or cancer every year. How about the hundreds of thousands that die in auto wrecks. Gun homicides pale in comparison to these.

When I post statistics, I cite my sources. You? Not so much. Makes it more difficult to consider your claims to be credible, IMHO. By the way, your comparison of gun deaths with heart disease and cancer is simply ridiculous. Gun deaths are largely preventable. Get rid of the fucking guns. Japan managed to do it. Are you saying that Japan is better than we are because we must have guns to be safe while they don't? No wonder we are sliding into the third world.

Japan never had personal ownership of firearms in the first place. Plus you are comparing a mono-ethnic population, with a propensity for order and a deference to the State with a multi-ethnic population with a propensity for individual liberties.

Why should I give up my right to a firearm because criminals use them illegally, and some morons decide to off themselves from time to time?

 

[Correll]

These bikers must have come from single-parent families, I suppose; we can blame their "absent fathers." LOL

The negative effects of illegitimacy is not limited to blacks and browns.

So, it is likely that a lot of them do (or did) come from single mother homes.

 

[orogenicman]

When tens of thousands die each year from guns shots, it is clear that people aren't doing it lawfully. Maybe we should tax gun owners to pay for all the court costs and personal damage.

Tens of thousands??? Really??? Did you know most deaths from gunshot are suicides? Who pays for improper gun safety during a suicide? If they didn't kill themselves with a gun they will probably try it another way. How are you going to stop a person from slicing their wrists or taking a bottle of sleeping pills......outlaw knives and issue pills one at a time?

As reported on January 16, 2013

Just the facts Gun violence in America - U.S. News

• Every year in the U.S., an average of more than 100,000 people are shot, according to The Brady Campaign To Prevent Gun Violence.

• Every day in the U.S., an average of 289 people are shot. Eighty-six of them die: 30 are murdered, 53 kill themselves, two die accidentally, and one is shot in a police intervention, the Brady Campaign reports.

• Between 2000 and 2010, a total of 335,609 people died from guns -- more than the population of St. Louis, Mo. (318,069), Pittsburgh (307,484), Cincinnati, Ohio (296,223), Newark, N.J. (277,540), and Orlando, Fla. (243,195) (sources: CDF, U.S. Census; CDC)

• One person is killed by a firearm every 17 minutes, 87 people are killed during an average day, and 609 are killed every week. (source: CDC)

Homicides by weapon:

• Handguns comprised 72.5 percent of the firearms used in murder and non-negligent manslaughter incidents in 2011; 4.1 percent were with shotguns; 3.8 percent were with rifles; 18.5 percent were with unspecified firearms.
• 13.3 percent of homicides were done with knives or other cutting instruments.
• 5.8 percent of homicides were from the use of hands, fists, feet, etc. (source: FBI)

Guns and kids:

• 82 children under five years old died from firearms in 2010 compared with 58 law enforcement officers killed by firearms in the line of duty (sources: CDF, CDC, FBI)
• More kids ages 0-19 died from firearms every three days in 2010 than died in the 2012 Newtown, Conn., massacre (source:CDF, CDC)
• Nearly three times more kids (15,576) were injured by firearms in 2010 than the number of U.S. soldiers (5,247) wounded in action that year in the war in Afghanistan (source: CDF, CDC, Department of Defense)
• Half of all juveniles murdered in 2010 were killed with a firearm (source: Office of Juvenile Justice & Delinquency Prevention)

You're not telling me anything I don't already know. 2/3rds of all gun deaths are by suicide and only a tiny percentage are accidents. Most who are murdered are with illegally obtained guns.

Most of those are killed by approx.1.2% of the total population. Most of those are repeat offenders, and 70% of those are either black or Latino. Seems to me your problem goes away if you just lock those assholes up and make sure they never get out again. The problem isn't guns....but criminals with guns.

Now list all of the millions that die from heart disease or cancer every year. How about the hundreds of thousands that die in auto wrecks. Gun homicides pale in comparison to these.

When I post statistics, I cite my sources. You? Not so much. Makes it more difficult to consider your claims to be credible, IMHO. By the way, your comparison of gun deaths with heart disease and cancer is simply ridiculous. Gun deaths are largely preventable. Get rid of the fucking guns. Japan managed to do it. Are you saying that Japan is better than we are because we must have guns to be safe while they don't? No wonder we are sliding into the third world.

Japan never had personal ownership of firearms in the first place.

That is not true. Their current firearm laws took effect in 1971. before then, people were allowed to own rifles (but not handguns). They can still buy shotguns today, though it is strictly controlled.

Plus you are comparing a mono-ethnic population, with a propensity for order and a deference to the State with a multi-ethnic population with a propensity for individual liberties.

Are you are saying that a mono-ethnic population is the only kind of population that can prevent gun-related deaths? If so, that quite a racist attitude there. Of the 23 richest countries in the world, the U.S. has more gun-rated deaths than the other 22 combined. And last time I looked, they weren't all mono-ethnic populations.

Why should I give up my right to a firearm because criminals use them illegally, and some morons decide to off themselves from time to time?

Why should my family live in fear so you can have your hobby?