Mosque shooting in New Zealand

[cnm]

You cannot show that laws strictly regulating handguns and assault style rifles would reduce firearm homicide rates.

Fewer firearms, lesser firearm homicide rate. Unless you want to dismiss the evidence out of hand. Laws are the method by which firearm ownership is regulated.

 

[M14 Shooter]

You cannot show that laws strictly regulating handguns and assault style rifles would reduce firearm homicide rates.

Fewer firearms, lesser firearm homicide rate.

You cannot prove this to be true.
The US firearm-related homicide rate fell 55% 1993-present, despite the fact the number of guns in creased by scores of millions - as much as 25% - over the same time period.

You cannot show that laws strictly regulating handguns and assault style rifles would reduce firearm homicide rates.
You also cannot show the US sees more mass shootings because of its gun laws.

 

[Blues Man]

Apparently, gun control doesn't work in New Zealand......they have had a mass public shooting against two Mosques. The shooter....who had a gun.......may have killed 49 people....... but this isn't possible, because they have gun control in New Zealand...so initial reports are likely wrong....

And, of course, the sites were gun free zones....right?

And before the anti-gunners start......I used to wait to comment on these attacks....until the anti-gunners would be the first on the scene, walking through the blood, dragging the bodies to the nearest camera calling for taking guns away from the very people who could have stopped the attack...

Christchurch shooting: 49 dead in terror attack at two mosques – live updates

• Forty-nine people have been killed in shootings at two mosques in the New Zealand city of Christchurch. They included 41 people killed at the Deans Avenue mosque and seven at Linwood mosque. Another victim died later in Christchurch hospital.

Fuck you!
You always try to use posts/threads like this to further your singular reason which is your gun fetish, to post on USMB.
You never show an ounce of empathy for the victims. Never. This shows what piece of shit you really are.

You do realize people can empathize without wanting to give up their rights don't you?

Do you not drive because you empathize with all those people killed in auto accidents?

We try to keep crazy people from driving cars. Keeping them from shooting up a church, mosque, synagogue ,school, mall, movie theaters, etc. is extremely difficult thanks to the gun/criminal lobby. Shooters will always have their rights but a classroom full of second graders...not so much.

People who have been deemed mentally ill are already prohibited from owning guns.

In fact there's a whole list of people who are barred from owning guns

Persons Banned From Firearm Possession
The Federal Gun Control Act of 1968 and the Federal Omnibus Consolidated Appropriations Act of 1997 makes it illegal for a person who fits into any of the following categories to receive or possess a firearm. These laws prevent the State from issuing a Pistol Permit because it would be illegal for people who fit in these categories, by Federal law, to own or possess a gun.

• Fugitives from justice
• Persons who are unlawful users of or are addicted to narcotics or any other controlled substances
• Persons adjudicated as a mental defective or who have been committed to a mental institution
• Persons who have been convicted in any court of a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one (1) year
• Persons who are under indictment for a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one (1) year
• Military veterans discharged under dishonorable conditions
• Persons who have renounced U.S. citizenship
• Aliens illegally in the U.S.
• Persons subject to a court order that restrains them from harassing, stalking, or threatening an intimate partner or child of such intimate partner
• And persons convicted in any court of a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence

 

[Blues Man]

We try to keep crazy people from driving cars. Keeping them from shooting up a church, mosque, synagogue ,school, mall, movie theaters, etc. is extremely difficult thanks to the.....

...anti-gun loons who do everything they can to ensure the victims cannot protect themselves and the shooter is act to act with impunity.
Dead bodies - especially children - make it easier for the anti-gun loons to advance their agenda, see...

it is already illegal for these people to own firearms

Persons Banned From Firearm Possession
The Federal Gun Control Act of 1968 and the Federal Omnibus Consolidated Appropriations Act of 1997 makes it illegal for a person who fits into any of the following categories to receive or possess a firearm. These laws prevent the State from issuing a Pistol Permit because it would be illegal for people who fit in these categories, by Federal law, to own or possess a gun.

• Fugitives from justice
• Persons who are unlawful users of or are addicted to narcotics or any other controlled substances
• Persons adjudicated as a mental defective or who have been committed to a mental institution
• Persons who have been convicted in any court of a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one (1) year
• Persons who are under indictment for a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one (1) year
• Military veterans discharged under dishonorable conditions
• Persons who have renounced U.S. citizenship
• Aliens illegally in the U.S.
• Persons subject to a court order that restrains them from harassing, stalking, or threatening an intimate partner or child of such intimate partner
• And persons convicted in any court of a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence

Seems to me we already have all the laws you are asking for

 

[Blues Man]

Apparently, gun control doesn't work in New Zealand......they have had a mass public shooting against two Mosques. The shooter....who had a gun.......may have killed 49 people....... but this isn't possible, because they have gun control in New Zealand...so initial reports are likely wrong....

And, of course, the sites were gun free zones....right?

And before the anti-gunners start......I used to wait to comment on these attacks....until the anti-gunners would be the first on the scene, walking through the blood, dragging the bodies to the nearest camera calling for taking guns away from the very people who could have stopped the attack...

Christchurch shooting: 49 dead in terror attack at two mosques – live updates

• Forty-nine people have been killed in shootings at two mosques in the New Zealand city of Christchurch. They included 41 people killed at the Deans Avenue mosque and seven at Linwood mosque. Another victim died later in Christchurch hospital.

So, Gun Control, means no one has any guns?

We already have plenty of gun control laws

 

[basquebromance]

When I read the New Zealand shooter’s manifesto, I couldn’t help but remember some prominent liberals, such as atheist and scientist Sam Harris, who dubbed Islam “the mother lode of bad ideas,” writes Mehdi Hasan

 

[Blues Man]

Apparently, gun control doesn't work in New Zealand......they have had a mass public shooting against two Mosques. The shooter....who had a gun.......may have killed 49 people....... but this isn't possible, because they have gun control in New Zealand...so initial reports are likely wrong....

And, of course, the sites were gun free zones....right?

And before the anti-gunners start......I used to wait to comment on these attacks....until the anti-gunners would be the first on the scene, walking through the blood, dragging the bodies to the nearest camera calling for taking guns away from the very people who could have stopped the attack...

Christchurch shooting: 49 dead in terror attack at two mosques – live updates

• Forty-nine people have been killed in shootings at two mosques in the New Zealand city of Christchurch. They included 41 people killed at the Deans Avenue mosque and seven at Linwood mosque. Another victim died later in Christchurch hospital.

So, Gun Control, means no one has any guns?

We already have plenty of gun control laws

Here is a list of people who are legally prohibited from possessing firearms of any kind

Persons Banned From Firearm Possession
The Federal Gun Control Act of 1968 and the Federal Omnibus Consolidated Appropriations Act of 1997 makes it illegal for a person who fits into any of the following categories to receive or possess a firearm. These laws prevent the State from issuing a Pistol Permit because it would be illegal for people who fit in these categories, by Federal law, to own or possess a gun.

• Fugitives from justice
• Persons who are unlawful users of or are addicted to narcotics or any other controlled substances
• Persons adjudicated as a mental defective or who have been committed to a mental institution
• Persons who have been convicted in any court of a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one (1) year
• Persons who are under indictment for a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one (1) year
• Military veterans discharged under dishonorable conditions
• Persons who have renounced U.S. citizenship
• Aliens illegally in the U.S.
• Persons subject to a court order that restrains them from harassing, stalking, or threatening an intimate partner or child of such intimate partner
• And persons convicted in any court of a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence

Here are more federal gun laws

Federal Gun Laws: What Places Are Off-Limits With The FEDS?

Seems to me we already have all the shit you are asking for

 

[2aguy]

Lax guns laws?
Mandatory may-issue licensing that requires a "good reason" for gun ownership, full registration of all firearms, complete ban on magazines, internal or external, that exceed 7 rounds...?
Lax gun laws?

I hope your not making that up about NZ.

Gun laws in New Zealand - Wikipedia

I don’t see a complete ban on magazines....

I'm sorry:

• A magazine that holds more than 7 rounds; magazines holding up to 10 rounds may be modified to carry 7 rounds. The limit on rimfire is 15 rounds per magazine.
• A detachable magazine that holds more than 10 rounds, excepting rimfire magazines, which may carry 15 rounds.

This creates a 'military style semi-automatic', which requires a special special endorsement to an existing license.

That is far from a complete ban. They seem pretty liberal in handing out licenses.

The year before, of the 43,509 who people applied for firearms licences, 43,321 were granted them.

What are New Zealand's gun laws?

And yet...with all those people in New Zealand with guns for all of these years? This is the first mass public shooting.....because the people of New Zealand don't have a culture of killing each other in mass public shootings...

So, it isn't the guns, it is the culture.........

And when normal people have guns......like the guy at the 2nd Mosque......he saved lives by chasing off the attacker....a good guy with a gun......it wasn't a gun free zone and lives were saved.....

1st Mosque...no armed citizen...30 dead.

2nd Mosque, armed citizen, 10 dead....

As research shows, armed citizens who have their guns with them during mass public shootings are 94% effective at stopping the attack, and or saving lives and reducing casualties.......

 

[2aguy]

Again, you're lying. The nation had lax gun control laws.

Lax guns laws?
Mandatory may-issue licensing that requires a "good reason" for gun ownership, full registration of all firearms, complete ban on magazines, internal or external, that exceed 7 rounds...?
Lax gun laws?

I hope your not making that up about NZ.

Gun laws in New Zealand - Wikipedia

I don’t see a complete ban on magazines....

He used 10 round magazines and changed the 7 times...killing 49 people....

at the 2nd Mosque a good guy with a gun drove him off......gun free zones get innocent people killed.

 

[2aguy]

Wait - what?
Education and upbringing has a greater effect on crime than gun control laws?
Huh.

I get it. If gun control is not the major factor but rather just an important facoir

Ah. Backpedalling. got it.
You cannot show it is an important factor.

No back pedaling at all.
Obviously, the best approach to gun violence ids to reach the shooters before they kill. Whether through insuring a better home life or mental screening. We can't insure those things but we van make it more difficult to these people to get gns let aline killing machines like assault type rifles.

You still have not show that gun control is an "important factor".
How can you do this without unnecessarily infringing on the right to keep and bear arms?

Gun control was a factor. The gunman is an Australian would could not legally obtain the weapons he needed to carry out his attack in Australia. He CHOSE NZ because their gun laws were easier to get around than the laws in Australia.

What are New Zealand's gun laws?

Wrong....Australia has a growing gun problem including semi automatic rifles.....

 

[2aguy]

Apparently, gun control doesn't work in New Zealand......they have had a mass public shooting against two Mosques. The shooter....who had a gun.......may have killed 49 people....... but this isn't possible, because they have gun control in New Zealand...so initial reports are likely wrong....

And, of course, the sites were gun free zones....right?

And before the anti-gunners start......I used to wait to comment on these attacks....until the anti-gunners would be the first on the scene, walking through the blood, dragging the bodies to the nearest camera calling for taking guns away from the very people who could have stopped the attack...

Christchurch shooting: 49 dead in terror attack at two mosques – live updates

• Forty-nine people have been killed in shootings at two mosques in the New Zealand city of Christchurch. They included 41 people killed at the Deans Avenue mosque and seven at Linwood mosque. Another victim died later in Christchurch hospital.

Do tell us about their gun control.

M14shooter explained it...everything you morons want.....and he still killed 49 people...

At the 2nd Mosque, a good guy with a gun drove off the attack and saved lives.....something you wouldn't allow, creating more dead innocent people...

 

[2aguy]

The shooter........calls himself an Eco-fascist, zero population, anti-capitalist...........before the left wingers start up......

Again, there were multiple shooters from what i'm reading...

Yep, even worse........complete failure of gun control and a complete failure of gun free zones to keep people safe...on an island, with gun control.

Again, you're lying. The nation had lax gun control laws.

What are New Zealand's gun laws?

And the shooter, published a "Replacement" manifesto, and cited that he believes in Trump's white nationalism. This man is a self-admitted right wing terrorist.

This attack is similar to the attack in Norway, and the American Coast Guard operative who was amassing a weapons cache to launch a similar attack in the US. This is the planned attack by right wing terrorists.

Moron, he called himself an Eco-fascist......he praised Chinese communism...

 

[2aguy]

Our nations are under attack it’s why we have the second amendment

How many terror attacks with AR-xxx in America we stopped by 2nd anal folks with guns who were not cops? 3?

The Texas church shooting saved 26 lives....the former NRA instructor with his personal AR-15 stopped the attack, drove off the attacker and saved those 26 people from execution......

And research shows that when armed citizens have their guns at the scene of a mass public shooting they are 94% successful at stopping the attacker and/or reducing deaths and injuries...

At the 2nd Mosque, a good guy with a gun stopped the attack.......he drove off the attacker....

 

[2aguy]

Our nations are under attack it’s why we have the second amendment

How many terror attacks with AR-xxx in America we stopped by 2nd anal folks with guns who were not cops? 3?

Gun free zones cost lives......the 2nd Mosque had an armed citizen who stopped the attack...saving lives






Armed Citizens Are Successful 94% Of The Time At Active Shooter Events [FBI]

Of all the active shooter events there were 33 at which an armed citizen was present. Of those, Armed Citizens were successful at stopping the Active shooter 75.8% of the time (25 incidents) and were successful in reducing the loss of life in an additional 18.2% (6) of incidents. In only 2 of the 33 incidents (6.1%) was the Armed Citizen(s) not helpful in any way in stopping the active shooter or reducing the loss of life.

Thus the headline of our report that Armed Citizens Are Successful 94% Of The Time At Active Shooter Events.


In the 2 incidents at which the armed citizen “failed” to stop or slow the active shooter, one is the previously mentioned incident with hunters. The other is an incident in which the CCWer was shot in the back in a Las Vegas Walmart when he failed to identify that there were 2 Active Shooters involved in the attack. He neglected to identify the one that shot him in the back while he was trying to ambush the other perpetrator.

We also decided to look at the breakdown of events that took place in gun free zones and the relative death toll from events in gun free zones vs non-gun-free zones.

Of the 283 incidents in our data pool, we were unable to identify if the event took place in a gun-free zone in a large number (41%) of the events. Most of the events took place at a business, church, home, or other places at which as a rule of law it is not a gun free zone but potentially could have been declared one by the property owner. Without any information in the FBI study or any indication one way or the other from the news reports, we have indicated that event with a question mark.

If you look at all of the Active Shooter events (pie chart on the top) you see that for those which we have the information, almost twice as many took place in gun free zones than not; but realistically the vast majority of those for which we have no information (indicated as ?) are probably NOT gun free zones.

If you isolate just the events at which 8 or more people were killed the data paints a different picture (pie chart on the bottom). In these incidents, 77.8% took place in a gun-free zone suggesting that gun free zones lead to a higher death rate vs active shooter events in general

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One of the final metrics we thought was important to consider is the potential tendency for armed citizens to injure or kill innocent people in their attempt to “save the day.” A common point in political discussions is to point out the lack of training of most armed citizens and the decrease in safety inherent in their presence during violent encounters.

As you can see below, however, at the 33 incidents at which Armed Citizens were present, there were zero situations at which the Armed Citizen injured or killed an innocent person. It never happened.

 

[basquebromance]

Asked if he thinks white nationalism is a rising threat, Trump says, "I don't really. I think it's a small group of people that have very, very serious problems." Trump goes on to say he thinks it's too early to draw conclusions about what motivated New Zealand mosque shooter.

 

[basquebromance]

New Zealanders allowed this evil into their country & are now a part of an exclusive club of idiot countries that still believes that these two different ideologies are compatible. You were wrong then & you’re still wrong. How many more must die before realizing the truth?

 

[Brain357]

I hope your not making that up about NZ.

Gun laws in New Zealand - Wikipedia

I don’t see a complete ban on magazines....

I'm sorry:

• A magazine that holds more than 7 rounds; magazines holding up to 10 rounds may be modified to carry 7 rounds. The limit on rimfire is 15 rounds per magazine.
• A detachable magazine that holds more than 10 rounds, excepting rimfire magazines, which may carry 15 rounds.

This creates a 'military style semi-automatic', which requires a special special endorsement to an existing license.

That is far from a complete ban. They seem pretty liberal in handing out licenses.

The year before, of the 43,509 who people applied for firearms licences, 43,321 were granted them.

What are New Zealand's gun laws?

And yet...with all those people in New Zealand with guns for all of these years? This is the first mass public shooting.....because the people of New Zealand don't have a culture of killing each other in mass public shootings...

So, it isn't the guns, it is the culture.........

And when normal people have guns......like the guy at the 2nd Mosque......he saved lives by chasing off the attacker....a good guy with a gun......it wasn't a gun free zone and lives were saved.....

1st Mosque...no armed citizen...30 dead.

2nd Mosque, armed citizen, 10 dead....

As research shows, armed citizens who have their guns with them during mass public shootings are 94% effective at stopping the attack, and or saving lives and reducing casualties.......

And as we have seen. When there are weak laws and lots of guns, your much more likely to get shot. Our homicide rate is 4-5x higher than countries with strong gun control. There is also many, many more mass shootings...

 

[Blues Man]

Gun laws in New Zealand - Wikipedia

I don’t see a complete ban on magazines....

I'm sorry:

• A magazine that holds more than 7 rounds; magazines holding up to 10 rounds may be modified to carry 7 rounds. The limit on rimfire is 15 rounds per magazine.
• A detachable magazine that holds more than 10 rounds, excepting rimfire magazines, which may carry 15 rounds.

This creates a 'military style semi-automatic', which requires a special special endorsement to an existing license.

That is far from a complete ban. They seem pretty liberal in handing out licenses.

The year before, of the 43,509 who people applied for firearms licences, 43,321 were granted them.

What are New Zealand's gun laws?

And yet...with all those people in New Zealand with guns for all of these years? This is the first mass public shooting.....because the people of New Zealand don't have a culture of killing each other in mass public shootings...

So, it isn't the guns, it is the culture.........

And when normal people have guns......like the guy at the 2nd Mosque......he saved lives by chasing off the attacker....a good guy with a gun......it wasn't a gun free zone and lives were saved.....

1st Mosque...no armed citizen...30 dead.

2nd Mosque, armed citizen, 10 dead....

As research shows, armed citizens who have their guns with them during mass public shootings are 94% effective at stopping the attack, and or saving lives and reducing casualties.......

And as we have seen. When there are weak laws and lots of guns, your much more likely to get shot. Our homicide rate is 4-5x higher than countries with strong gun control. There is also many, many more mass shootings...

I already gave you the list of people who are banned from owning guns in this country

Who isn't on that list that you would like to see added?

 

[2aguy]

Gun laws in New Zealand - Wikipedia

I don’t see a complete ban on magazines....

I'm sorry:

• A magazine that holds more than 7 rounds; magazines holding up to 10 rounds may be modified to carry 7 rounds. The limit on rimfire is 15 rounds per magazine.
• A detachable magazine that holds more than 10 rounds, excepting rimfire magazines, which may carry 15 rounds.

This creates a 'military style semi-automatic', which requires a special special endorsement to an existing license.

That is far from a complete ban. They seem pretty liberal in handing out licenses.

The year before, of the 43,509 who people applied for firearms licences, 43,321 were granted them.

What are New Zealand's gun laws?

And yet...with all those people in New Zealand with guns for all of these years? This is the first mass public shooting.....because the people of New Zealand don't have a culture of killing each other in mass public shootings...

So, it isn't the guns, it is the culture.........

And when normal people have guns......like the guy at the 2nd Mosque......he saved lives by chasing off the attacker....a good guy with a gun......it wasn't a gun free zone and lives were saved.....

1st Mosque...no armed citizen...30 dead.

2nd Mosque, armed citizen, 10 dead....

As research shows, armed citizens who have their guns with them during mass public shootings are 94% effective at stopping the attack, and or saving lives and reducing casualties.......

And as we have seen. When there are weak laws and lots of guns, your much more likely to get shot. Our homicide rate is 4-5x higher than countries with strong gun control. There is also many, many more mass shootings...

Wrong....when you have left wing politicians creating single teenage mothers, who create fatherless boys, then you have murder and violence....

Britain has increasing violence and murder......

The U.S.?

Over the last 26 years, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17.25 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

 

[basquebromance]

The Islamaphobic, white nationalist murder of Muslims while praying in the Christchurch, New Zealand, mosque must be called what it is: terrorism perpetrated by a terrorist