Mother of 4 deported

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

We already did that with the Reagan era amnesty. You have to seal the border or you get what we got. We do NOT need to rinse and repeat. Amnesty has already been granted so the next step is to seal the border. You don't get to keep repeating step 1. Surely you see how that just creates an exponentially bigger problem. Seal the border and then you can start talking "path to status," as the numbers are at least finite.

I agree, but I don't see why we can't discuss a plan about what to do about millions of undocumented people who live here at the same time as we work on the border

Again, undocumented is a weasel word that suggests entering the US illegally is just a trivial clerical matter and not an expression of contempt for US law and sovereignty. There is only one thing to do about the millions of illegals which sends the correct policy message to others who want to come here, send them back to where they came from.

Yes to a degree I think it's trivial. It's paperwork. It's unfair to those who immigrate legally so there should be punishment, but banishment is too extreme IMO. I committed the same crime in high school. Got a fake ID to buy booze. I don't think I should be sent to jail 20 years later if that ID was found. I believe in every humans unalienable right for life liberty and the pursuit of happiness. While I committed my felony to buy booze these people committed theirs to give their family's a better life. Some coming from third world crime filled cesspools. While I think we need a system that works better and I believe we should be more organized than simple open borders, I also have compassion for these people as humans. They should face consequences but not be discarded like common criminals.

That's just irresponsible bullshit. Of course most of them come here because they want a better life for themselves and their families, but if they had committed similar offenses in their home countries and had police records for these crimes, they wouldn't have been allowed to come here legally, so what you are proposing is giving preferential treatment to them because they broke the law and got away with it for a while. Apparently, what motivates you to post such nonsense is not just your claim to have feelings of compassion for these people, but also a deep feeling of contempt for America and its laws.

I love America and I respect some laws and see room for reform with other laws. As you know our laws are in an evolving system that change with the will of our people. I've expressed my opinion on the matter and though I don't agree I respect yours as well.

I don't know where you get this preferential treatment statement from. You are distorting my statements again, so apparently you are the dishonest one. I've said create a pathway and make it a harder less incentivize pathway than the legal route. I don't think I can say it any plainer.

There is your problem. If you do not respect all laws, you are no better than those who break those laws.

 

[Slade3200]

I disagree. I believe in these things called inalienable rights for all humans

How does that work? Everyone in the World has an INALIENABLE RIGHT to come to America?

No different than any other criminal.

For 20 years she had no second thoughts about becoming a legal immigrant or a citizen and was a happy camper. She and the family are ONLY SORRY because they got CAUGHT.

You never see a criminal weeping because they are sorry for committing a crime, ONLY for getting caught.

For the 30th time I'll correct you simpletons who either ignore the facts or don't take the time to actually understand the story. For 18 years she voluntarily checked in with ICE as instructed and was told she could stay. Her visa violation made her unable to get legal papers so our government kept her in a state of limbo as she obided by the rules they set forth. Now that the orange prince is ruling ICE seems to be getting more aggressive so when she checked in with ICE she got the boot. Imagine for a second that this happened to your family or the family of somebody you love. It would suck

Nope. Can't happen. I don't have illegal aliens in my family.

Never know who your kids or grandkids will fall in love with. Maybe they will bring one home and you'll get some perspective

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

You're not thinking out of the box, you're just simply not thinking. Offering any path to citizenship for people who entered the US illegally is still an open invitation to 600,000,000 people living south of our border to violate our immigration laws: demonstrate your contempt for our laws by entering the US illegally and we will reward you by making you citizens.

I didn't say make them citizens. Are we at the point were you start distorting my argument because you don't want to consider or discuss other ideas? I said a pathway to legal status... and I said A harder more expensive more intensive path. Maybe they pay fines, are required todo community service, serve in military etc. my point is, there should be a path for existing undocumented. Penalties including deportation for new illegal crossers, and a more incentivizing path for people who wait in line an immigrate the legal way

lol Don't try to hide from your own words, a path to citizenship means making them citizens. Even with your fines and community service, what you are proposing is another amnesty, and this will only encourage more illegals to violate our immigration laws to get because the message you are sending is clear: violate our immigration laws and all you will have to do to become a US citizen is pay a fine and do some community service. Make it apply only to those who are already here? That's what you said the last time.

Undocumented is a weasel word. Every time you call them undocumented instead of what they are, illegal, you are expressing your own contempt for our immigration laws, which is expressing contempt for US sovereignty, the same contempt for our laws and sovereignty these illegals expressed when they came here. When you call them undocumented instead of illegal, you are saying it makes little difference if they showed respect for our laws by coming here legally or contempt for our laws by violating them.

Why should some one in Mexico choose to wait years to emigrate to the US legally if he can cross the border illegally now and after paying a fine become a US citizen? If we demonstrate we don't respect our own laws, as you clearly don't, by allowing illegals to become citizens, why would we expect anyone else to respect our laws? If we are to control our borders we must send a clear message that if you enter the US legally, we will make you welcome, but if you come illegally, we will do our best to make you unwelcome.

I think a system that makes people wait years before being able to come into our country is broken so that needs to be improved upon. As for the undocumented that are here something needs to be done and there will be a pathway presented in the near future as it is the only logical way to deal with the problem. I call them undocumented instead of illegal or alien because they are humans and I'm not an asshole

I call them undocumented instead of illegal or alien because they are humans and I'm not an asshole

They are human.

They are also in this country ILLEGALLY.

"undocumented"

PC bullshit.

You can call a trash man a Sanitation Engineer, but his job hasn't changed.

You can call a prison guard a corrections officer, but his job hasn't changed.

You can make up PC names for everything under the sun, but it wont' change the facts.

She is here ILLEGALLY, not UNDOCUMENTED.

You can also call a black man a Niger. Go try it out a few times and see how it works out for ya.

Why would you call him a nation in Africa?

 

[Slade3200]

I have no sympathy for illegals NONE. My family members can't get here because we are over run with millions of illegals and you turds want to make it so millions more come.

I would love for our system to make the pathway for your family members quicker and easier. If they are good hard working people with family that live here they shouldnt be waiting for so long.

RetiredGySgt has already explained that he can't get his family here because too many ILLEGALS such as that document forger woman that you adore so much and millions like her has cut in line draining resources.

Not quite... there isn't a occupancy counter like they have at the night clubs.

 

[Slade3200]

I agree, but I don't see why we can't discuss a plan about what to do about millions of undocumented people who live here at the same time as we work on the border

Again, undocumented is a weasel word that suggests entering the US illegally is just a trivial clerical matter and not an expression of contempt for US law and sovereignty. There is only one thing to do about the millions of illegals which sends the correct policy message to others who want to come here, send them back to where they came from.

Yes to a degree I think it's trivial. It's paperwork. It's unfair to those who immigrate legally so there should be punishment, but banishment is too extreme IMO. I committed the same crime in high school. Got a fake ID to buy booze. I don't think I should be sent to jail 20 years later if that ID was found. I believe in every humans unalienable right for life liberty and the pursuit of happiness. While I committed my felony to buy booze these people committed theirs to give their family's a better life. Some coming from third world crime filled cesspools. While I think we need a system that works better and I believe we should be more organized than simple open borders, I also have compassion for these people as humans. They should face consequences but not be discarded like common criminals.

That's just irresponsible bullshit. Of course most of them come here because they want a better life for themselves and their families, but if they had committed similar offenses in their home countries and had police records for these crimes, they wouldn't have been allowed to come here legally, so what you are proposing is giving preferential treatment to them because they broke the law and got away with it for a while. Apparently, what motivates you to post such nonsense is not just your claim to have feelings of compassion for these people, but also a deep feeling of contempt for America and its laws.

I love America and I respect some laws and see room for reform with other laws. As you know our laws are in an evolving system that change with the will of our people. I've expressed my opinion on the matter and though I don't agree I respect yours as well.

I don't know where you get this preferential treatment statement from. You are distorting my statements again, so apparently you are the dishonest one. I've said create a pathway and make it a harder less incentivize pathway than the legal route. I don't think I can say it any plainer.

There is your problem. If you do not respect all laws, you are no better than those who break those laws.

Yeah I think that's been clearly stated by y'all. I'm a worthless liberal idiot, remember?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

I disagree. I believe in these things called inalienable rights for all humans

How does that work? Everyone in the World has an INALIENABLE RIGHT to come to America?

No different than any other criminal.

For 20 years she had no second thoughts about becoming a legal immigrant or a citizen and was a happy camper. She and the family are ONLY SORRY because they got CAUGHT.

You never see a criminal weeping because they are sorry for committing a crime, ONLY for getting caught.

For the 30th time I'll correct you simpletons who either ignore the facts or don't take the time to actually understand the story. For 18 years she voluntarily checked in with ICE as instructed and was told she could stay. Her visa violation made her unable to get legal papers so our government kept her in a state of limbo as she obided by the rules they set forth. Now that the orange prince is ruling ICE seems to be getting more aggressive so when she checked in with ICE she got the boot. Imagine for a second that this happened to your family or the family of somebody you love. It would suck

Nope. Can't happen. I don't have illegal aliens in my family.

Never know who your kids or grandkids will fall in love with. Maybe they will bring one home and you'll get some perspective

Nope. I try very hard not to raise my kids and grandkids to be liberal dumbasses.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Again, undocumented is a weasel word that suggests entering the US illegally is just a trivial clerical matter and not an expression of contempt for US law and sovereignty. There is only one thing to do about the millions of illegals which sends the correct policy message to others who want to come here, send them back to where they came from.

Yes to a degree I think it's trivial. It's paperwork. It's unfair to those who immigrate legally so there should be punishment, but banishment is too extreme IMO. I committed the same crime in high school. Got a fake ID to buy booze. I don't think I should be sent to jail 20 years later if that ID was found. I believe in every humans unalienable right for life liberty and the pursuit of happiness. While I committed my felony to buy booze these people committed theirs to give their family's a better life. Some coming from third world crime filled cesspools. While I think we need a system that works better and I believe we should be more organized than simple open borders, I also have compassion for these people as humans. They should face consequences but not be discarded like common criminals.

That's just irresponsible bullshit. Of course most of them come here because they want a better life for themselves and their families, but if they had committed similar offenses in their home countries and had police records for these crimes, they wouldn't have been allowed to come here legally, so what you are proposing is giving preferential treatment to them because they broke the law and got away with it for a while. Apparently, what motivates you to post such nonsense is not just your claim to have feelings of compassion for these people, but also a deep feeling of contempt for America and its laws.

I love America and I respect some laws and see room for reform with other laws. As you know our laws are in an evolving system that change with the will of our people. I've expressed my opinion on the matter and though I don't agree I respect yours as well.

I don't know where you get this preferential treatment statement from. You are distorting my statements again, so apparently you are the dishonest one. I've said create a pathway and make it a harder less incentivize pathway than the legal route. I don't think I can say it any plainer.

There is your problem. If you do not respect all laws, you are no better than those who break those laws.

Yeah I think that's been clearly stated by y'all. I'm a worthless liberal idiot, remember?

Most criminals do fall on the left side of the political spectrum. It is the entitlement mentality that gets you in trouble.

 

[2aguy]

Let's say that a guy steals money from the pensions of a bunch of people...with that money he is buying nice things for his kids and sending them to the best schools...then he gets caught.....the police confiscate the money and the kids have to move out of their really nice home and lose the ability to go to those expensive schools...is it sad for the kids..yes...but would you let the kids keep that money, even though it was stolen from other people?

 

[AgentSparky]

For the 30th time I'll correct you simpletons who either ignore the facts or don't take the time to actually understand the story

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Everyone read and understood the first 29 times you told the story. Has it occurred to you that most people have no sympathy for criminal trespassers that forges government documents and leaches off the tax payers for entitlements for 20 years? You need to broaden your tunnel vision.

For 18 years she voluntarily checked in with ICE as instructed and was told she could stay. Her visa violation made her unable to get legal papers so our government kept her in a state of limbo as she obided by the rules they set forth.

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She was more than lucky to get to stay for those additional 18 years and yet you're still complaining.

Now that the orange prince .

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Racist much?

is ruling ICE seems to be getting more aggressive so when she checked in with ICE she got the boot.

.
You mean Trump is finally enforcing the law of the land made by our founding fathers???? My God, the horror!!!!

Imagine for a second that this happened to your family

My grandparents came here LEGALLY from Italy. They didn't jump no borders nor did they forge government documents. They learn to speak English and worked hard to provide for the family instead of leaching off the tax payers for welfare. Can you not see the difference?
Also for the 30th time, do you know what ILLEGAL immigrant means? How can you not comprehend that?

or the family of somebody you love. It would suck

I don't associate with criminals.

Also during the first 30 times you told this story, why no mention on how much money she sucked out of the tax payers for welfare? How many times did she illegally voted?

I don't have any of those details so why would I come t about them. You are just gonna presume she was illegally voting and milking our welfare system? Real smart

And yet you danced around the rest of my posted response to you. Is it because you know that I'm right?

 

[Slade3200]

Yes to a degree I think it's trivial. It's paperwork. It's unfair to those who immigrate legally so there should be punishment, but banishment is too extreme IMO. I committed the same crime in high school. Got a fake ID to buy booze. I don't think I should be sent to jail 20 years later if that ID was found. I believe in every humans unalienable right for life liberty and the pursuit of happiness. While I committed my felony to buy booze these people committed theirs to give their family's a better life. Some coming from third world crime filled cesspools. While I think we need a system that works better and I believe we should be more organized than simple open borders, I also have compassion for these people as humans. They should face consequences but not be discarded like common criminals.

That's just irresponsible bullshit. Of course most of them come here because they want a better life for themselves and their families, but if they had committed similar offenses in their home countries and had police records for these crimes, they wouldn't have been allowed to come here legally, so what you are proposing is giving preferential treatment to them because they broke the law and got away with it for a while. Apparently, what motivates you to post such nonsense is not just your claim to have feelings of compassion for these people, but also a deep feeling of contempt for America and its laws.

I love America and I respect some laws and see room for reform with other laws. As you know our laws are in an evolving system that change with the will of our people. I've expressed my opinion on the matter and though I don't agree I respect yours as well.

I don't know where you get this preferential treatment statement from. You are distorting my statements again, so apparently you are the dishonest one. I've said create a pathway and make it a harder less incentivize pathway than the legal route. I don't think I can say it any plainer.

There is your problem. If you do not respect all laws, you are no better than those who break those laws.

Yeah I think that's been clearly stated by y'all. I'm a worthless liberal idiot, remember?

Most criminals do fall on the left side of the political spectrum. It is the entitlement mentality that gets you in trouble.

I doubt many criminals are political. Of those that are I'm sure there is a chunk that support entitlements if they come from a poor socioeconomic background. Those middle class and white collar criminals are surely more right leaning supporting less government.

 

[Eloy]

I just saw this story on CNN. This mother of 4 got caught trying to cross the border with a fake visa 20 years ago, because of this she couldn't not get another visa but was told she could stay in the US but had to check in with ICE twice a year, which she did for the past 18 years. Now her entire family is here (mother, husband, 4 children and they are all American citizens. CNN covers her journey to check in with ICE as they were all nervous about the changes that came with President Trump.

She met with ICE and they told her she was good for another year. She left the building, gave her children hugs and then got called back in by ICE to find out that they were deporting her in July.

I get deporting violent criminals, I hear people asking Trump and his surrogates what they will do with non-violent criminal illegal immigrants and I hear them kicking the can saying they will deal with it later. But then I see stories like this were a mother who is not a violent criminal gets deported and a family is ripped apart.

Thoughts?

I saw this report and I understand Trump supporters see this as a way to make America great again.

 

[Slade3200]

For the 30th time I'll correct you simpletons who either ignore the facts or don't take the time to actually understand the story

.

Everyone read and understood the first 29 times you told the story. Has it occurred to you that most people have no sympathy for criminal trespassers that forges government documents and leaches off the tax payers for entitlements for 20 years? You need to broaden your tunnel vision.

For 18 years she voluntarily checked in with ICE as instructed and was told she could stay. Her visa violation made her unable to get legal papers so our government kept her in a state of limbo as she obided by the rules they set forth.

.
She was more than lucky to get to stay for those additional 18 years and yet you're still complaining.

Now that the orange prince .

.
Racist much?

is ruling ICE seems to be getting more aggressive so when she checked in with ICE she got the boot.

.
You mean Trump is finally enforcing the law of the land made by our founding fathers???? My God, the horror!!!!

Imagine for a second that this happened to your family

My grandparents came here LEGALLY from Italy. They didn't jump no borders nor did they forge government documents. They learn to speak English and worked hard to provide for the family instead of leaching off the tax payers for welfare. Can you not see the difference?
Also for the 30th time, do you know what ILLEGAL immigrant means? How can you not comprehend that?

or the family of somebody you love. It would suck

I don't associate with criminals.

Also during the first 30 times you told this story, why no mention on how much money she sucked out of the tax payers for welfare? How many times did she illegally voted?

I don't have any of those details so why would I come t about them. You are just gonna presume she was illegally voting and milking our welfare system? Real smart

And yet you danced around the rest of my posted response to you. Is it because you know that I'm right?

I've already responded to that jazz multiple times in this thread. I'm tired of the broken record routine. You obviously don't get where I'm coming from. That's fine. Gbye

 

[AgentSparky]

I saw this report and I understand Trump supporters see this as a way to make America great again.

Says he who was on another thread demonizing the police for arresting an ILLEGAL immigrant in front of his daughters for DUI and had the nerve to say that there's nothing criminal about driving drunk.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

That's just irresponsible bullshit. Of course most of them come here because they want a better life for themselves and their families, but if they had committed similar offenses in their home countries and had police records for these crimes, they wouldn't have been allowed to come here legally, so what you are proposing is giving preferential treatment to them because they broke the law and got away with it for a while. Apparently, what motivates you to post such nonsense is not just your claim to have feelings of compassion for these people, but also a deep feeling of contempt for America and its laws.

I love America and I respect some laws and see room for reform with other laws. As you know our laws are in an evolving system that change with the will of our people. I've expressed my opinion on the matter and though I don't agree I respect yours as well.

I don't know where you get this preferential treatment statement from. You are distorting my statements again, so apparently you are the dishonest one. I've said create a pathway and make it a harder less incentivize pathway than the legal route. I don't think I can say it any plainer.

There is your problem. If you do not respect all laws, you are no better than those who break those laws.

Yeah I think that's been clearly stated by y'all. I'm a worthless liberal idiot, remember?

Most criminals do fall on the left side of the political spectrum. It is the entitlement mentality that gets you in trouble.

I doubt many criminals are political. Of those that are I'm sure there is a chunk that support entitlements if they come from a poor socioeconomic background. Those middle class and white collar criminals are surely more right leaning supporting less government.

The attitude is entitlement mentality. Libs have it and so do most criminals.

 

[Correll]

WILLHAFTAWAITE and Doc1... Did either of you put yourself in the position of this lady or her family. Think for just a second, what if this happened to my family?

Give one second to look at this with empathy or are you that selfish and entitled that you don't think that way about others?

Nothing is stopping her from taking her kids with her.

 

[Missouri_Mike]

I just saw this story on CNN. This mother of 4 got caught trying to cross the border with a fake visa 20 years ago, because of this she couldn't not get another visa but was told she could stay in the US but had to check in with ICE twice a year, which she did for the past 18 years. Now her entire family is here (mother, husband, 4 children and they are all American citizens. CNN covers her journey to check in with ICE as they were all nervous about the changes that came with President Trump.

She met with ICE and they told her she was good for another year. She left the building, gave her children hugs and then got called back in by ICE to find out that they were deporting her in July.

I get deporting violent criminals, I hear people asking Trump and his surrogates what they will do with non-violent criminal illegal immigrants and I hear them kicking the can saying they will deal with it later. But then I see stories like this were a mother who is not a violent criminal gets deported and a family is ripped apart.

Thoughts?

She did not report for 18 years, only thee last two. And I don't feel bad for her at all. She is a criminal.

 

[Slade3200]

I love America and I respect some laws and see room for reform with other laws. As you know our laws are in an evolving system that change with the will of our people. I've expressed my opinion on the matter and though I don't agree I respect yours as well.

I don't know where you get this preferential treatment statement from. You are distorting my statements again, so apparently you are the dishonest one. I've said create a pathway and make it a harder less incentivize pathway than the legal route. I don't think I can say it any plainer.

There is your problem. If you do not respect all laws, you are no better than those who break those laws.

Yeah I think that's been clearly stated by y'all. I'm a worthless liberal idiot, remember?

Most criminals do fall on the left side of the political spectrum. It is the entitlement mentality that gets you in trouble.

I doubt many criminals are political. Of those that are I'm sure there is a chunk that support entitlements if they come from a poor socioeconomic background. Those middle class and white collar criminals are surely more right leaning supporting less government.

The attitude is entitlement mentality. Libs have it and so do most criminals.

Like when Wall Street and bankers feel entitled to rip us off? You think those people lean left and want more regulations? I don't think so

 

[Slade3200]

I just saw this story on CNN. This mother of 4 got caught trying to cross the border with a fake visa 20 years ago, because of this she couldn't not get another visa but was told she could stay in the US but had to check in with ICE twice a year, which she did for the past 18 years. Now her entire family is here (mother, husband, 4 children and they are all American citizens. CNN covers her journey to check in with ICE as they were all nervous about the changes that came with President Trump.

She met with ICE and they told her she was good for another year. She left the building, gave her children hugs and then got called back in by ICE to find out that they were deporting her in July.

I get deporting violent criminals, I hear people asking Trump and his surrogates what they will do with non-violent criminal illegal immigrants and I hear them kicking the can saying they will deal with it later. But then I see stories like this were a mother who is not a violent criminal gets deported and a family is ripped apart.

Thoughts?

She did not report for 18 years, only thee last two. And I don't feel bad for her at all. She is a criminal.

I believe the report said she had been reporting for the past 12 years

 

[Eloy]

I saw this report and I understand Trump supporters see this as a way to make America great again.

Says he who was on another thread demonizing the police for arresting an ILLEGAL immigrant in front of his daughters for DUI and had the nerve to say that there's nothing criminal about driving drunk.

Driving over the limit of alcohol when nobody was harmed is different to armed robbery, cocaine smuggling, or rape, you know ... the real bad hombres who will be deported by Trump.

 

[Tresha91203]

Reagan did have a big heart and it led to some bad policy decisions. At the same time, there was a demand for cheap labor at that time, especially from the southwest and within the Republican Party. It is always a mistake to choose not to enforce a law rather than to change it. Obama, imo, was just a politician who was interested in capturing the Hispanic vote.

President Trump is taking measures to enforce the law as it is written, while Reagan and Obama took measures to avoid enforcing the law as it is written. You can't effectively control the border if you send out the message, as Reagan did, that if you get here illegally, we will allow you to stay here on a year to year basis forever, or even worse, to send out the message, as Obama did, that if you get here illegally we will give you a path to citizenship. That's just bad policy and bad government.

Every foreigner has a pathway to live here legally and become a citizen. Why not create a harder, longer, more expensive path for those that Are here and undocumented. At least then we can work it out together instead of having millions hiding in the shadows. I'd think you hardliners would like this idea... this way we have record of all that are here and they will have to earn it

If we did that, we would be sending a message to the 600,000,000 people living south of the border and all the other people living in poverty or danger in the world that if they can get here illegally, then they can become US citizens. It makes no sense to bolster border security and then send invitations to everyone to violate it.

Not necessarily. Crossing illegally and overstaying visas can still have penalties. AND the pathway for the undocumented can be less attractive and less incentivizing than the current legal path. Trying thinking out of the box

We already did that with the Reagan era amnesty. You have to seal the border or you get what we got. We do NOT need to rinse and repeat. Amnesty has already been granted so the next step is to seal the border. You don't get to keep repeating step 1. Surely you see how that just creates an exponentially bigger problem. Seal the border and then you can start talking "path to status," as the numbers are at least finite.

I agree, but I don't see why we can't discuss a plan about what to do about millions of undocumented people who live here at the same time as we work on the border

Because we already tried that. We are not interested in that lie again. If we grant a path, the border will not be sealed. This time, we insist the border be sealed before any discussion of path to status.