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Your post is a perfect example of the divisiveness of the Left.Yes, you are fucking deplorable.We "deplorables" spoke....you lost
I bet your kids are so proud of you. Hey everybody! Our mommy voted for the pussy grabber!
I feel sorry for those kids having to deal with you as their "mother", you disgusting fucking piece of shit.
How can we ever come together when the Left is full of hate for anyone who disagrees with them
Typical leftist...and he'd be wise to leave my children out of comments...rules are rules
Did that...in the 1980s. I learned it is not possible.maybe we need to evaluate why they hate us to start with. What is it about their opinion that they are afraid of losing?Your post is a perfect example of the divisiveness of the Left.Yes, you are fucking deplorable.We "deplorables" spoke....you lost
I bet your kids are so proud of you. Hey everybody! Our mommy voted for the pussy grabber!
I feel sorry for those kids having to deal with you as their "mother", you disgusting fucking piece of shit.
How can we ever come together when the Left is full of hate for anyone who disagrees with them
Take the first step then see if they will move in toward you.
what about the people that pay three times what they used to and can no longer afford to use their insurance just so your subsidies can be available. Do you have any compassion for those people? would you meet them in the middle and pay maybe 200 a month for that drug so that someone else might be able to afford to see a doctor also?The way ObamaCare was written ACTUALLY -- is that it was NOT written at all. It's was a massive 9000 pg (?) "fill in the blank" exercise. Every other line of the text was suffixed with ".... as the Secretary shall determine"".
So when Nancy Pelosi said -- "we won't know whats in the bill til we pass it" -- Folks thought she was just a moron. Turns out -- she was confessing that they had NO IDEA what the law was gonna look like until the Massive Minions of Morons at the Agencies slowly and ackwardly penciled in the details. A process that STILL isn't done or implemented !!!!!
So just parroting that it was a "republican bill" is just the spin you consumed. We STILL don't have full disclosure or implementation of "what's in it"..
It'll be repealed before it's ever fully disclosed, they may as well it's imploding anyway
Do you really think that is good? Forget the partisan stuff for a moment. A lot of people have insurance that didn't before but needed it. People with pre-existing conditions can now get insurance and that is HUGE for many people. Medicaid expansion has helped another huge group of people - people who aren't poor enough to qualify for programs that help the poor, but aren't wealthy enough to afford insurance, or can't afford the high cost of prescription co pays and other things that might not be covered. I totally agree there are problems, but I don't agree with repealing (no surprise right?).
What's going to happen to all those people who are suddenly stripped of insurance?
What's going to happen to people with pre-existing conditions who lose their insurance and can't get new insurance or can't afford the suddenly exhorberant cost?
If you FORCE insurance companies to take people with pre-existing conditions without simultaneiously providing a large pool of compartively healthy people to offset the cost for them (which can only be done through a mandate) - then rates are going to skyrocket for everyone in order to cover the cost. That's sort of happening anyway because there aren't yet enough healthy people enrolled.
I've heard claims that they'll replace it with tax credits and allowing people to cross state lines and buy cheaper insurance but that ignores to huge realities.
Tax credits are only workable if you earn enough to begin with so you can pay up front for all your costs right?
The idea of crossing state lines is also not well thought out. Insurance companies compute their rates based actuarials, on the characteristics of each state. They look at demographics that can effect health like jobs, obesity, smoking, cancer rates, population age etc etc - and those are what create the rates for each state. So a state like mine, WV, has a pretty high insurance cost. Main industries are mining, timber, farming - all with high rates injury and chronic health problems. Obesity is also high (thankgodformississippiwearentthehighest), smoking is high, rates of preventative healthcare low and the overall population is aging. Another state with different demographics and risk factors may have a lower rate BECAUSE of those risks. So if people start being allowed to buy insurance across state lines in order to take advantage of states with lower risk factors and lower costs then what are the insurance companies going to do to offset that? My guess is increase it everywhere, in order to accomodate the changes or - adjust the rate to the individual based on where they live, in which case it won't be any cheaper.
Just from a personal perspective - it's made a difference to my family. Prescription drug costs - even with what my insurance covered was over $400 a month (for my husband). Now it's more like $50. That is a lot of money and repealing Obamacare would bring those costs back.
So while Obamacare itself has some problems - are they so insurmountable the entire thing must be scrapped...and where does that leave millions of people?
There is no free. Remember, if that 400 dollar drug now costs you 50, someone else is paying the 350 for you. Is that fair?
What about them?
How about fixing it so it works for everyone? Do I have compassion for them? Sure. Do YOU have compassion for those who will be affected by repealing Obamacare? Maybe not so much?
I believe in personal responsibility, if a plan could be presented that was fair I'd consider it but what happened was wrong, hard working people that strived to take care of their families and themselves got gouged. The thing was presented as a total lie and they knew when they presented it that it was a lie.
The funny thing is that dreaded and despised Tea Party told you all that....but you chose to believe the lies. Now you have a mess....and lost control
My point is if you are told for months that Trump is the devil incarnated, how do you now accept him as POTUS? The lib MSM has told their devoted fans that Trump is a f-ing disaster. Many of the them can't believe Trump won...they are in complete denial. The lib MSM duped them again.Did that...in the 1980s. I learned it is not possible.maybe we need to evaluate why they hate us to start with. What is it about their opinion that they are afraid of losing?Your post is a perfect example of the divisiveness of the Left.Yes, you are fucking deplorable.We "deplorables" spoke....you lost
I bet your kids are so proud of you. Hey everybody! Our mommy voted for the pussy grabber!
I feel sorry for those kids having to deal with you as their "mother", you disgusting fucking piece of shit.
How can we ever come together when the Left is full of hate for anyone who disagrees with them
Take the first step then see if they will move in toward you.
Is it really not so possible? I don't agree. A lot of the election coverage I listened to was on NPR (yes, I know, you're going to slam it) - but what I got out of it was hearing the voices and concerns of real people across the US, over the past 8 months - some of followed repeatedly through the cycle.
It seems like if you follow - I'm not even sure what the term for it is - citizen media? Bloggers, self-styled journalists, even some traditional media sources - but particularly what you see onlline - you're left with the impression that the opposition is a bunch of frothing rabid extremists bent on destroying the country, trashing people yard signs, spray painting graffitti on property and being intolerant assholes. That's not what I got out of listening to these people - and it was from all over the country. I certainly disagreed with their views, but their concerns were real and legitimate, and reasoning was as well. I just don't happen to agree. It can be an eyeopener. Just because someone supported Trump or Clinton, doesn't mean they're hate-filled anti-Americans bent on destroying us.
Edited to add: I happen to be a lone liberal in a very conservative state. So many of the people I'm around, don't share my views. They are very concerned about jobs in WV, about the state of the energy industry and they want coal to come back. Trump's words resonate with them. I don't happen to think coal will come back the way it once was here, and my feelings are we need to invest in training our people for attracting new industries - better paying than fast food franchises. I disagree with them on what needs to be done but their concerns are valid.
My point is if you are told for months that Trump is the devil incarnated, how do you now accept him as POTUS? The lib MSM has told their devoted fans that Trump is a f-ing disaster. Many of the them can't believe Trump won...they are in complete denial. The lib MSM duped them again.Did that...in the 1980s. I learned it is not possible.maybe we need to evaluate why they hate us to start with. What is it about their opinion that they are afraid of losing?Your post is a perfect example of the divisiveness of the Left.Yes, you are fucking deplorable.
I bet your kids are so proud of you. Hey everybody! Our mommy voted for the pussy grabber!
I feel sorry for those kids having to deal with you as their "mother", you disgusting fucking piece of shit.
How can we ever come together when the Left is full of hate for anyone who disagrees with them
Take the first step then see if they will move in toward you.
Is it really not so possible? I don't agree. A lot of the election coverage I listened to was on NPR (yes, I know, you're going to slam it) - but what I got out of it was hearing the voices and concerns of real people across the US, over the past 8 months - some of followed repeatedly through the cycle.
It seems like if you follow - I'm not even sure what the term for it is - citizen media? Bloggers, self-styled journalists, even some traditional media sources - but particularly what you see onlline - you're left with the impression that the opposition is a bunch of frothing rabid extremists bent on destroying the country, trashing people yard signs, spray painting graffitti on property and being intolerant assholes. That's not what I got out of listening to these people - and it was from all over the country. I certainly disagreed with their views, but their concerns were real and legitimate, and reasoning was as well. I just don't happen to agree. It can be an eyeopener. Just because someone supported Trump or Clinton, doesn't mean they're hate-filled anti-Americans bent on destroying us.
Edited to add: I happen to be a lone liberal in a very conservative state. So many of the people I'm around, don't share my views. They are very concerned about jobs in WV, about the state of the energy industry and they want coal to come back. Trump's words resonate with them. I don't happen to think coal will come back the way it once was here, and my feelings are we need to invest in training our people for attracting new industries - better paying than fast food franchises. I disagree with them on what needs to be done but their concerns are valid.
It was comical watching the media talking heads last night bemoan in bewilderment.
That's all great, but again you are giving the power of your own life over to someone else, in this case, MSM, they say Trump is the devil incarnated and half the population believes them and acts on that suggestion.My point is if you are told for months that Trump is the devil incarnated, how do you now accept him as POTUS? The lib MSM has told their devoted fans that Trump is a f-ing disaster. Many of the them can't believe Trump won...they are in complete denial. The lib MSM duped them again.Did that...in the 1980s. I learned it is not possible.maybe we need to evaluate why they hate us to start with. What is it about their opinion that they are afraid of losing?Your post is a perfect example of the divisiveness of the Left.Yes, you are fucking deplorable.
I bet your kids are so proud of you. Hey everybody! Our mommy voted for the pussy grabber!
I feel sorry for those kids having to deal with you as their "mother", you disgusting fucking piece of shit.
How can we ever come together when the Left is full of hate for anyone who disagrees with them
Take the first step then see if they will move in toward you.
Is it really not so possible? I don't agree. A lot of the election coverage I listened to was on NPR (yes, I know, you're going to slam it) - but what I got out of it was hearing the voices and concerns of real people across the US, over the past 8 months - some of followed repeatedly through the cycle.
It seems like if you follow - I'm not even sure what the term for it is - citizen media? Bloggers, self-styled journalists, even some traditional media sources - but particularly what you see onlline - you're left with the impression that the opposition is a bunch of frothing rabid extremists bent on destroying the country, trashing people yard signs, spray painting graffitti on property and being intolerant assholes. That's not what I got out of listening to these people - and it was from all over the country. I certainly disagreed with their views, but their concerns were real and legitimate, and reasoning was as well. I just don't happen to agree. It can be an eyeopener. Just because someone supported Trump or Clinton, doesn't mean they're hate-filled anti-Americans bent on destroying us.
Edited to add: I happen to be a lone liberal in a very conservative state. So many of the people I'm around, don't share my views. They are very concerned about jobs in WV, about the state of the energy industry and they want coal to come back. Trump's words resonate with them. I don't happen to think coal will come back the way it once was here, and my feelings are we need to invest in training our people for attracting new industries - better paying than fast food franchises. I disagree with them on what needs to be done but their concerns are valid.
It was comical watching the media talking heads last night bemoan in bewilderment.
And then he gets to nominate the candidates for the SCOTUS, which will determine our country's direction for the next 20 to 30 years...Trump ain't shit till January 20th...
You are asking leftists to overcome propaganda that has been drilled into their heads. Some may be able, others will not.That's all great, but again you are giving the power of your own life over to someone else, in this case, MSM, they say Trump is the devil incarnated and half the population believes them and acts on that suggestion.My point is if you are told for months that Trump is the devil incarnated, how do you now accept him as POTUS? The lib MSM has told their devoted fans that Trump is a f-ing disaster. Many of the them can't believe Trump won...they are in complete denial. The lib MSM duped them again.Did that...in the 1980s. I learned it is not possible.maybe we need to evaluate why they hate us to start with. What is it about their opinion that they are afraid of losing?Your post is a perfect example of the divisiveness of the Left.
How can we ever come together when the Left is full of hate for anyone who disagrees with them
Take the first step then see if they will move in toward you.
Is it really not so possible? I don't agree. A lot of the election coverage I listened to was on NPR (yes, I know, you're going to slam it) - but what I got out of it was hearing the voices and concerns of real people across the US, over the past 8 months - some of followed repeatedly through the cycle.
It seems like if you follow - I'm not even sure what the term for it is - citizen media? Bloggers, self-styled journalists, even some traditional media sources - but particularly what you see onlline - you're left with the impression that the opposition is a bunch of frothing rabid extremists bent on destroying the country, trashing people yard signs, spray painting graffitti on property and being intolerant assholes. That's not what I got out of listening to these people - and it was from all over the country. I certainly disagreed with their views, but their concerns were real and legitimate, and reasoning was as well. I just don't happen to agree. It can be an eyeopener. Just because someone supported Trump or Clinton, doesn't mean they're hate-filled anti-Americans bent on destroying us.
Edited to add: I happen to be a lone liberal in a very conservative state. So many of the people I'm around, don't share my views. They are very concerned about jobs in WV, about the state of the energy industry and they want coal to come back. Trump's words resonate with them. I don't happen to think coal will come back the way it once was here, and my feelings are we need to invest in training our people for attracting new industries - better paying than fast food franchises. I disagree with them on what needs to be done but their concerns are valid.
It was comical watching the media talking heads last night bemoan in bewilderment.
Ignore them, its not that hard. Find the things you disagree with as far as Trump goes and see if there is value in it at all.
Example for me would be the ACA. I hate it, it has taken health care away from as many people as it has given it too, the costs of all insurance has skyrocketed and care has become substandard compared to before the ACA. The value is that some people do now have access and to them that's huge. So, do we make me and those like me happy and go back to the way it was, or do we make the other side happy and continue an unfair practice of forcing others to pay.
Has to be some middle ground somewhere that would allow me to keep what I have at the price that I have it, and to maintain the care I used to get, while at the same time making sure those other people have access to at least a maintenance policy with a catastrophic rider to go along with it.
maybe trim some things out of it, like free birth control, tighter limits on physical therapy in some cases, we don't need a year of physical therapy and a disability check just because we broke our little toe when we dropped our whiskey bottle on it.
Well good for you guys that sometimes don't care..And then he gets to nominate the candidates for the SCOTUS, which will determine our country's direction for the next 20 to 30 years...Trump ain't shit till January 20th...
Elections have consequences, and the American people have spoken...
Mistaking lack of indictment for lack of confirmation of guilt would be why you still don't understand how evil she is. She wouldn't have needed to lie to cover herself, destroy Federal records, or destroy and bleach her servers if she wasn't guilty. Every single one of those actions are what confirms her guild, the fact that the Establishment didn't use her as a scape goat yet doesn't make her innocent. Let's also not forget her role in Watergate. There's also the fact that rather than claiming the emails were changed or fabricated, the email senders instantly blamed the Russians. "The Russians hacked those emails!", not "Those are fake!" or "Those were tampered with!". Instead, as an after thought, we got "Err... uhh... maybe those were tampered with. Yup. We're totally, TOTALLY not corrupt. Please just take our word for it instead of applying rational thought!"So, you think the sheer volume of all those emails and contents therein were merely fabrications?Given the leaked emails and the results of her holding public offices, it's pretty clear Clinton is evil, Trump is just self-serving. Things Trump has done in the past just amount to being a jerk. Things Hillary has done have resulted in destroyed lives, deaths, criminal activity in general.Aww no "hi" for me? That makes me sad.
To be fair, you really don't have to ask what either one will do to help the Nation, as both just want to help themselves. Trump is there to keep Clinton out, no more, no less. He's just less evil.
Sorry sweetie - I'm being rude, hiya back at you
I don't think either one is evil - many Clinton voters voted to keep Trump out, many Trump voters voted to keep Clinton out.
Typically elections at the end of a two-term presidency favor the opposing party, in that this aspect, the results were totally predictable. What obscured many things were the dynamics of the individual characters.
I'm a little proud of myself, I managed to accurately predict this election, and a few of the states Trump would get~
I told a friend a month ago that Trump would get Florida~
I don't agree. One is the leaked emails - which represent little more then a huge data dump, with no time (or political will) to try and verify in terms of accuracy, context etc. There were many instances where it was shown there were alterations - just for an example. They represent an unverified source of information that people take for granted is accurate. We also no NOTHING about emails from Trump's side do we? How can you say he is not "evil" if you don't have his leaked emails? All you can say is you have no way of knowing.
I don't think in terms of "evil" with most people (there are some I would classify as evil - Hitler and his associates, the leaders of ISIS) - but neither Trump nor Hillary are even remotely comparable. The accusations of "deaths" falls right into Conspiracy Theory Land - so I don't grant that legitimacy. I'd rather go with what can be proven by facts and I won't use the "evil" label.
When a person engages in "business practices" that result in slews of people, mostly small businessmen and vendors - going unpaid for the work they did - is that not "destroying lives" and "criminal activity in general"? That's more then being "a jerk" in my book.
And - your prediction was good! Congrats
Not what I said. Reread what I wrote.
Not only those, but we have confirmation of her involvement in various criminal activity. Even ignoring the volume and contents, and the file leaks, there's the fact that it wasn't anything new, but confirmation of what we already knew. Would you be willing to claim Hillary isn't corrupt?
Confirmation means indictments. If you have it produce it. Could she be corrupt? I think so. I'm not willing to claim she isn't. I'm also not willing to claim Trump isn't. My evidence for both is the same - bring on the indictments. Same with rape accusations - bring on the indictments.
I think in terms of evil. If you're not a friend of justice, you're a harbinger of varying degrees evil.
I disagree. Evil and justice are two different things. Once you start applying the term "evil" lightly - you cheapen it. It's like people who throw the term "Nazi" and "Stalinist" and "Hitler" willy nilly at those who they don't happen to like. I think once you apply the term evil you can lose sight of humanity. For instance - is it evil for Trump to left those people unpaid? Was it evil for Trump to refuse to rent to blacks? How does that compare to the evil that is ISIS or Hitler? Can you honestly compare HIllary and Trump to those?
It depends on the quality of labor. I don't know enough about the incident to give an opinion on it.
In those incidences - they were the result of Trump choosing bankruptcy over paying, and it happened multiple times. Are you giving more leeway to Trump then to Clinton?
asking the same from the right, and as such, I am committing myself to do the same.You are asking leftists to overcome propaganda that has been drilled into their heads. Some may be able, others will not.That's all great, but again you are giving the power of your own life over to someone else, in this case, MSM, they say Trump is the devil incarnated and half the population believes them and acts on that suggestion.My point is if you are told for months that Trump is the devil incarnated, how do you now accept him as POTUS? The lib MSM has told their devoted fans that Trump is a f-ing disaster. Many of the them can't believe Trump won...they are in complete denial. The lib MSM duped them again.Did that...in the 1980s. I learned it is not possible.maybe we need to evaluate why they hate us to start with. What is it about their opinion that they are afraid of losing?
Take the first step then see if they will move in toward you.
Is it really not so possible? I don't agree. A lot of the election coverage I listened to was on NPR (yes, I know, you're going to slam it) - but what I got out of it was hearing the voices and concerns of real people across the US, over the past 8 months - some of followed repeatedly through the cycle.
It seems like if you follow - I'm not even sure what the term for it is - citizen media? Bloggers, self-styled journalists, even some traditional media sources - but particularly what you see onlline - you're left with the impression that the opposition is a bunch of frothing rabid extremists bent on destroying the country, trashing people yard signs, spray painting graffitti on property and being intolerant assholes. That's not what I got out of listening to these people - and it was from all over the country. I certainly disagreed with their views, but their concerns were real and legitimate, and reasoning was as well. I just don't happen to agree. It can be an eyeopener. Just because someone supported Trump or Clinton, doesn't mean they're hate-filled anti-Americans bent on destroying us.
Edited to add: I happen to be a lone liberal in a very conservative state. So many of the people I'm around, don't share my views. They are very concerned about jobs in WV, about the state of the energy industry and they want coal to come back. Trump's words resonate with them. I don't happen to think coal will come back the way it once was here, and my feelings are we need to invest in training our people for attracting new industries - better paying than fast food franchises. I disagree with them on what needs to be done but their concerns are valid.
It was comical watching the media talking heads last night bemoan in bewilderment.
Ignore them, its not that hard. Find the things you disagree with as far as Trump goes and see if there is value in it at all.
Example for me would be the ACA. I hate it, it has taken health care away from as many people as it has given it too, the costs of all insurance has skyrocketed and care has become substandard compared to before the ACA. The value is that some people do now have access and to them that's huge. So, do we make me and those like me happy and go back to the way it was, or do we make the other side happy and continue an unfair practice of forcing others to pay.
Has to be some middle ground somewhere that would allow me to keep what I have at the price that I have it, and to maintain the care I used to get, while at the same time making sure those other people have access to at least a maintenance policy with a catastrophic rider to go along with it.
maybe trim some things out of it, like free birth control, tighter limits on physical therapy in some cases, we don't need a year of physical therapy and a disability check just because we broke our little toe when we dropped our whiskey bottle on it.
Possibly, most likely thanks to the whack jobs in Cali... lolI don't give a fuck what his supporters want.
How's "tricks" this fine morning in a New America, you worthless piece of shit?
Taking consolation in the fact that more Americans voted for Clinton than they did Trump, you fucking maggot.
Not "possibly," it's a fact.
At least he won't actively work to divide us the way Obama did for 8 years.
Of course not. Walls are meant to unite people.
Mistaking lack of indictment for lack of confirmation of guilt would be why you still don't understand how evil she is.
She wouldn't have needed to lie to cover herself, destroy Federal records, or destroy and bleach her servers if she wasn't guilty. Every single one of those actions are what confirms her guild, the fact that the Establishment didn't use her as a scape goat yet doesn't make her innocent.
Let's also not forget her role in Watergate. There's also the fact that rather than claiming the emails were changed or fabricated, the email senders instantly blamed the Russians. "The Russians hacked those emails!", not "Those are fake!" or "Those were tampered with!". Instead, as an after thought, we got "Err... uhh... maybe those were tampered with. Yup. We're totally, TOTALLY not corrupt. Please just take our word for it instead of applying rational thought!"
I don't apply it lightly, I apply it to those who aren't good, and don't seek justice. I did say "Varying degrees", obviously those aren't the same degrees of evil.
Obviously he'd be wrong in that situation, then. I'd still say he's a jerk, since it's not the betrayal on a national level that we got from Hillary.
You grasp that Republicans hold the house, right?
The same Republicans who despise Trump.
If the Republicans play the Democrat's game, Trump will use his pen and phone. Remember who set that precedent.
Notice the flip flops? It's a flip flop epidemic.
He wont actively try to divide us US citizens
Congress will go into recess before Trump takes office
We are a country of laws, and we are a country where a person is innocent until proven guilty - not the other way around.
If I were to label someone "evil" I darn well want proof and I would hope you would also.
