MSNBC: Your Kids Don't Belong To You, They Belong To The Community

[theDoctorisIn]

So when she talks about 'the whole community' if she isnt talking about the government then what pray tell do you think she is talking about?

The fucking Tooth Fairy?

Is it so hard to understand that when she says "community" she means the fucking community that you live in? You know, your friends and neighbors, that sort of thing.

It's not a fucking code-word.

No it's not a code-word, it's exactly how she thinks and feels. Community, society, government, in her mind they all know what's best for you. And clearly they know whats best for our kids too..

How the fuck can you claim to know what she "really" thinks and feels?

Basing your argument around claims of telepathy isn't really going to work for you.

I have 3 children. One is 19 and in college, one is 17 in High school, and the other is 14 and in middle school. At no point in any of their development did my neighbor or community say to me "hey if one of them gets in trouble, don't worry we will take responsibility for it".. The reason? Because they aren't fucking responsible for them...

Did any neighbors ever baby-sit your kids for you? Did they ever hire your kids to mow their lawns, or watched them at the playground?

Did any of the other parents in your children's schools come in and volunteer? Did you ever volunteer?

These are the things that Melissa Perry was talking about, not "the government coming to steal your children".

Now she wants to claim despite my being responsible for them and having a vested interest in their well-being, they in fact belong to the community now.. Well hell no!

Again, willfully misinterpreting what she's saying isn't making your argument any more valid.

You are desperate to fix this. First her words are used, and the defense is we are being too literal and she was being metaphorical. So we point out the philosophy behind it and the mindset that motivates that kind of thinking, and then we are "reading too much into it". So which is it now? Too literal or reading too much into it?

The problem is that you're reading what you want to read from it. You guys desperately want something to be outraged about - after all, it's been a few days since the last nonsense thing you guys got outraged about.

You can't have it both ways man. Time for you progressive/liberals to man up.. You can't play pretend socialists and not get dirty. This is the mindset of the true socialist, YOU are not important, THEY are. Who are THEY? People like the lady in the video, people with an education and viewpoints that fits nicely into the greater scheme.

Do you think that Melissa Perry is a government official? What power do you think that she has?

She's a fucking pundit, not a part of your imaginary conspiracy to steal Conservative children.

Seriously. No one is trying to take your kids. No one wants your fucking kids.

Freaking unbelievable, quit defending this crap already. Man up and call them on it for once..

What exactly do you think that I'm defending?

 

[Politico]

She's a fucking pundit, not a part of your imaginary conspiracy to steal Conservative children.

Seriously. No one is trying to take your kids. No one wants your fucking kids.

These two sentencessum up this 40 page comedy. There haven't been any real journalists for years. Everyone on tv is an entertainer nothing more.

Oh and please keep your kids. I sure as fuck don't want anything to do with them.

 

[gslack]

Is it so hard to understand that when she says "community" she means the fucking community that you live in? You know, your friends and neighbors, that sort of thing.

It's not a fucking code-word.

No it's not a code-word, it's exactly how she thinks and feels. Community, society, government, in her mind they all know what's best for you. And clearly they know whats best for our kids too..

How the fuck can you claim to know what she "really" thinks and feels?

Basing your argument around claims of telepathy isn't really going to work for you.


Did any neighbors ever baby-sit your kids for you? Did they ever hire your kids to mow their lawns, or watched them at the playground?

Did any of the other parents in your children's schools come in and volunteer? Did you ever volunteer?

These are the things that Melissa Perry was talking about, not "the government coming to steal your children".




Again, willfully misinterpreting what she's saying isn't making your argument any more valid.



The problem is that you're reading what you want to read from it. You guys desperately want something to be outraged about - after all, it's been a few days since the last nonsense thing you guys got outraged about.

You can't have it both ways man. Time for you progressive/liberals to man up.. You can't play pretend socialists and not get dirty. This is the mindset of the true socialist, YOU are not important, THEY are. Who are THEY? People like the lady in the video, people with an education and viewpoints that fits nicely into the greater scheme.

Do you think that Melissa Perry is a government official? What power do you think that she has?

She's a fucking pundit, not a part of your imaginary conspiracy to steal Conservative children.

Seriously. No one is trying to take your kids. No one wants your fucking kids.

Freaking unbelievable, quit defending this crap already. Man up and call them on it for once..

What exactly do you think that I'm defending?

Nice, cut the post up into single lines and argue each one.. Fine I'll play too..

'How the fuck can you claim to know what she "really" thinks and feels?'

I explained how a couple of times now, YOU seem to miss the parts in the video when she says what she thinks.. That's how the fuck I know. I'm not grasping to save this nonsense you are for some reason, and pretending she didn't say what she said is grasping..

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Did any neighbors ever baby-sit your kids for you? Did they ever hire your kids to mow their lawns, or watched them at the playground?

Did any of the other parents in your children's schools come in and volunteer? Did you ever volunteer?"

So you're a 5 year old now? Really? Pretty damn pathetic accusation there from a guy with "Doctor" in his screen name.. What part of "responsible for" threw you? Was it the part that made sense? Sure it was, that's why this obtuse display... Act like you have some sense if you want a reasonable response...

"These are the things that Melissa Perry was talking about, not "the government coming to steal your children".

Again, willfully misinterpreting what she's saying isn't making your argument any more valid."


Funny you should use that excuse... Considering the ignorant way you tried to act here. Again what part of "responsible for" eludes you?

Your last 3-4 divisions of my post are the same tired excuse making and obtuse diversionary statements.. Come now, we both know what you're defending, and your deliberate pretense confirms it..

 

[The2ndAmendment]

Freaking unbelievable, quit defending this crap already. Man up and call them on it for once..

What exactly do you think that I'm defending?

I have a question, can you tell us why you are on this thread?

 

[Lakhota]

Hillary Clinton's Speech On -- "It Takes A Village To Raise A Child"

 

[gslack]

Hillary Clinton's Speech On -- "It Takes A Village To Raise A Child"

Hilary clinton saying it isn't making it any better dude...

 

[theDoctorisIn]

Freaking unbelievable, quit defending this crap already. Man up and call them on it for once..

What exactly do you think that I'm defending?

I have a question, can you tell us why you are on this thread?

The same reason why I and everyone else here posts on any threads.

Because I like to argue about politics.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

she isn't "diagnosing a problem" or "proposing a solution" - she's just making a pretty soundbite about how we should all take care of young people in our communities - instead of wiping our heads and saying "that's someone else's kid".

Again, let's makes sure we have the transcript in front of us:

1. We have never invested as much in public education as we should have, because we have always had a private notion of our children.

2. [Sarcastic] 'Your kid is yours and totally your responsibility.'

3. We never had a collective notion that these are OUR children.

4. So part of it is that we have to break through our private idea that kids belong to their parents, or that kids belong to their families.

5. We must recognize that kids belong to the WHOLE COMMUNITY;

6. Once it is everyone's responsibility, and not just the household, we start making better investments.

OK FIRST OF ALL, THIS IS NOT A "SOUNDBYTE." This was a well prepared and very craftily made advertisement, whose language could fool anyone who is not politically astute. The directors and editors of MSNBC approved this as their PROMOTION AD. A promotion ad for the main television source of PROGRESSIVE/DEMOCRATIC media.



First she declares the problem on line 1:
We have never invested as much in public education as we should have.

The reason our investments have failed is because:
because we have always had a private notion of our children.

The word "always" is actually one of the most dangerous words here, because this means she thinks it's been a problem since the very founding of our country.

So she says that parents being sovereign over their children is the primary problem.

Her solution:
We never had a collective notion that these are OUR children ... We must recognize that kids belong to the WHOLE COMMUNITY;

Here she is saying that Government is the true Sovereign over your children.

Then she proposes the method to accomplish this:
We have to break through our private idea that kids belong to their parents, or that kids belong to their families.

In other words, she must convince the parents that the government should assume Sovereignty, because they are experts. Or, just convince and brainwash the kids themselves that their parents aren't the Sovereign authority over their personal lives.

Her conclusion:
Once it is everyone's responsibility, and not just the household, we start making better investments.

Let's reword this in a more coherent manner, without changing the text (too much):

1. We have never invested as much in public education as we should have or made good investments.

2. Because we have always had a private notion of our children.

3. We must recognize that kids belong to the whole community; we never had a collective notion that these are OUR children.

4. We have to break through our private idea that kids belong to their parents, or that kids belong to their families.

5. Make it the government's responsibility, and not just the household, and our public education system will prosper.

So there you have it, The Problem, The Cause, The Solution, The Means, The Ends. And they mixed the order up on purpose, notice that Old Line 5 appears before New line 4, and the end of Old line 6 appears in New line 1.

Your entire premise is build around the idea that MSNBC is actively attempting to pursue an actual agenda with those ads - which is nonsense.

MSNBC doesn't care about anything other than it's ratings. The ad is to attract viewers, not to push an agenda.

It IS nothing more than a soundbite.

 

[The2ndAmendment]

Because I like to argue about politics.

What is your argument?

The word "argument" in my above question is being used according to this Dictionary definition:

a statement, reason, or fact for or against a point: This is a strong argument in favor of her theory.

 

[gslack]

Yes MSNBC is completely impartial... I suppose you fell the same way about FOX news as well??

 

[theDoctorisIn]

Yes MSNBC is completely impartial... I suppose you fell the same way about FOX news as well??

I didn't say anything about MSNBC being "impartial". I said all they care about it is money.

And yes, I say exactly the same about FOX.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

Because I like to argue about politics.

What is your argument?

The word "argument" in my above question is being used according to this Dictionary definition:

a statement, reason, or fact for or against a point: This is a strong argument in favor of her theory.

Essentially, my overall "argument" is that you guys want to be outraged so badly that you'll find it anywhere you look.

 

[The2ndAmendment]

Your entire premise is build around the idea that MSNBC is actively attempting to pursue an actual agenda with those ads - which is nonsense.

MSNBC doesn't care about anything other than it's ratings. The ad is to attract viewers, not to push an agenda.

It IS nothing more than a soundbite.

In order for a "product" to be successful, it needs to have a "target audience."

MSNBC is for Democrats/Progressives/Communists

Fox News is for Republicans/Fake-Conservatives(Closet Progressives)/Fascists

CNN is for "Moderates/Swing Voters" in other words, people who are too confused and ignorant to make up their own minds, and would rather know about Justin Beiber's latest fist fight with a bouncer.

John Stewart is for Democrat-Libertarians/Moderate Democrats

Jay Leno is for older audiences (although I've always personally enjoyed him even when I was young).

You get it bro? In this ad, they are appealing to their Communist followers (especially those who don't know they are Communist at heart)

 

[theDoctorisIn]

Your entire premise is build around the idea that MSNBC is actively attempting to pursue an actual agenda with those ads - which is nonsense.

MSNBC doesn't care about anything other than it's ratings. The ad is to attract viewers, not to push an agenda.

It IS nothing more than a soundbite.

In order for a "product" to be successful, it needs to have a "target audience."

MSNBC is for Democrats/Progressives/Communists

Fox News is for Republicans/Conservatives/Fascists

CNN is for "Moderates/Swing Voters" in other words, people who are too confused and ignorant to make up their own minds, and would rather know about Justin Beiber's latest fist fight with a bouncer.

John Stewart is for Democrat-Libertarians/Moderate Democrats

Jay Leno is for older audiences (although I've always personally enjoyed him even when I was young).

You get it bro?

Yeah, I do. Do you?

You seem to be claiming that MSNBC is attempting to have the "government" take your children.

And I'm saying that MSNBC doesn't give a shit about your children, all they want is viewers and advertising dollars.

 

[Obamanation]

I love that MSNBC isn't hiding their vow to marxism. It's about time that the US left starts telling the truth about th direction they want to take this Country.

...and Hillary may have needed an entire village to raise that ugly child of hers --- but GOOD American's know that the "collective" has never done a thing to help this Country! The collective just keeps raising our taxes and making empty promises...

 

[Wicked Jester]

Hillary Clinton's Speech On -- "It Takes A Village To Raise A Child"

Hillary Clinton also stated: "I never read the memo's, and as far as I know, nobody in my department read the memo's"

And it cost the lives of four americans.

That's all we need to know about Hillary....Christ, she couldn't effectively run her department, let alone this country....And we will no doubt see her dem challengers hammer that point home come primary season....The best thing ol' Hillary can do for herself, is come up with some lame excuse as to why she won't be running.

 

[Obamanation]

Hillary Clinton's Speech On -- "It Takes A Village To Raise A Child"

Hillary Clinton also stated: "I never read the memo's, and as far as I know, nobody in my department read the memo's"

And it cost the lives of four americans.

That's all we need to know about Hillary....Christ, she couldn't effectively run her department, let alone this country....And we will no doubt see her dem challengers hammer that point home come primary season....The best thing ol' Hillary can do for herself, is come up with some lame excuse as to why she won't be running.

Cost 4 Americans their lives and then ran away like a liberal coward, heading to Canada because they are chickenchits...

She is pathetic - a pathetic failure... and anyone who would consider voting for her is a pathetic American.

 

[The2ndAmendment]

Oh, I see Lakhota is on:

Lakhota, not a single Progressive has answered this very unbiased and neutral question, perhaps you can do what they have refused to do?

Can you to explain to us your interpretation of this commercial:

Ok, she states a problem: We're not investing enough/correctly into education.

Then she diagnoses the problem,

Then she proposes the solution.

She says her solution will better our investments into education.
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Would you care to tell me, in your own opinion, what her diagnosis was (from the ad)? Cite which line of the transcript contains the diagnosis of the problem.

Will you then tell me, in your own opinion, what her solution was? Cite which line in which she tells us how to solve the problem.

If present, can you tell us the means of which she will use to implement her solution? Cite the line in which she identifies the MEANS of accomplishing her goal.

Here's the transcript:

1. We have never invested as much in public education as we should have, because we have always had a private notion of our children.

2. [Sarcastic] 'Your kid is yours and totally your responsibility.'

3. We never had a collective notion that these are OUR children.

4. So part of it is that we have to break through our private idea that kids belong to their parents, or that kids belong to their families.

5. We must recognize that kids belong to the WHOLE COMMUNITY;

6. Once it is everyone's responsibility, and not just the household, we start making better investments.

 

[rightwinger]

Melissa nailed it.

She sure did. She said it just like it is, now you can all judge for yourselves, and don't say you weren't warned.


I hope to see you Communists on the battlefield when Daddy Gov drafts you to suppress the Rebellion of Freemen and Oathkeeping Soldiers.

Anyone who takes up arms against my country deserves what they get

 

[Skull Pilot]

If so, then I'm safe conversing with you, Francis.

Instead of editing my posts why don't you answer the question, Ukunthair?

Why did you have kids?

And then tell me how that's not self centered you fucking coward.

It is not self-centered because, if your do it right, your entire life becomes centered on your kids. There is no parental prime time till they leave the house.

The question is WHY did you have kids. Those reasons are all self centered. You wanted to have a little piece of you live beyond you. You wanted to have someone to take care of you in your old age. You wanted to..... All self centered reasons.

Parenting is one of the most selfless things I have done in my whole life. Its a shame society denigrates parents so much.

Denigrates? Really?

Let me tell you something and this might come as a shock to you. People have been having kids for millions of years. It's no great achievement.