MSNBC: Your Kids Don't Belong To You, They Belong To The Community

[rightwinger]

Bringing this thread back to reality, here if the left interpretation of the video by Right_winger and the Libertarian interpretation of the video, then something we all agree on, then the actual video/transcript:

When Rightwinger and I both agreed to provide our interpretations, we found out we both wanted the EXACT same thing, perhaps you do to, but it's not what SHE is saying at all.

Here is Rightwinger's interpretation, than my interpretation, than how I believed it should be stated in a manner in which we BOTH AGREE, than what Melissa Perry said:

Rightwinger's Interpretation:

1. We have never invested as much in public education as we should have, because we have always had a private notion of our children.

She is simply stating that by assuming all responsibility is on the parents, we tend to skimp on public education. That if we care as a community, we will be more vested in the childrens success

2. [Sarcastic] 'Your kid is yours and totally your responsibility.'

Cuts to the meat of the issue. Conservatives are fucking assholes for believing that they raise their children completely on their own without help from family neighbors, schools, churches, civic groups....what we like to call.....a community

3. We never had a collective notion that these are OUR children.

Again stressing the point that communities need to value their children and provide education opportunities, parks, playgrounds, civic groups, libraries,

4. So part of it is that we have to break through our private idea that kids belong to their parents, or that kids belong to their families.

. She again is referring to breaking the mold that your kids are not MY problem. That if a kid is not successful, that is his parents problem. It stresses the idea of a strong community structure to supplement parents who are struggling
5. We must recognize that kids belong to the WHOLE COMMUNITY;

No kid should be abandoned, a kid who succeeds is a credit to the whole community. A kid who fails reflects on the community as well

6. Once it is everyone's responsibility, and not just the household, we start making better investments.
. A child does better with STRONG community involvement. Better schools, better recreation, better opportunities to excel. That is what a COMMUNITY gets you

My interpretation:


My consolidation on something of which we can all agree:


The exact transcript

1. We have never invested as much in public education as we should have, because we have always had a private notion of our children.

2. [Sarcastic] 'Your kid is yours and totally your responsibility.'

3. We never had a collective notion that these are OUR children.

4. So part of it is that we have to break through our private idea that kids belong to their parents, or that kids belong to their families.

5. We must recognize that kids belong to the WHOLE COMMUNITY;

6. Once it is everyone's responsibility, and not just the household, we start making better investments.

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If we look at the transcript, point blank, wtf does she mean right at the start? We haven't invested enough money into public education? Ridiculous, we spend more per student than any other nation.

At the end she says "We start making better investments." Sure, I agree, we should spend our money better, not spend more money, but she doesn't' say a damn thing about how to spend it better, except that if we remove parental Sovereignty over their children all of sudden our mega-investments will be more efficient.

Thanks for reposting....


Looks like I win doesn't it?

 

[OODA_Loop]

Right like Liberals care about your children.

 

[WUN]

Who has ever said what parents do is meaningless? Are right wingers really this dense?

By saying parents have to defer to the collectiveness of the community, basically that is a slap in the face to any parent. Which is what the communist/socialist woman said and you refuse to acknowledge. I'm no more a rightwinger than you are with your sarcastic board ID name. I'm barely over the line into liberal (I've taken several ideological tests to confirm this - but I don't like extremist views whether they come from the left or the right). This is an extemist progressive far leftwing viewpoint and you are attempting in vain to minimize or rationalize it away. It's not going to work.

Where did anyone say parents have to defer to the collectiveness of the community?

In your hysteria do you just make shit up or are you just that fucking stupid?

Here's the quote from the video you should have heard if you had listened to it:

"We never had a collective notion that these are OUR children.

So part of it is that we have to break through our private idea that kids belong to their parents, or that kids belong to their families.

We must recognize that kids belong to the WHOLE COMMUNITY"

Maybe if you actually paid attention and LISTENED to what she was saying instead of rationalizing it away or glossing over it, then you might understand. Maybe you have poor communication skills, I don't know.

 

[gslack]

Simple way to settle it...

Do you think society and government exists to serve the needs of the people who create it, or do you think it exists as a matter of course and people should serve it's mandates?

Simple really.. Which do you think is true? You guys who agree with the video keep ignoring that part of what the statement she made implies..

 

[theDoctorisIn]

Simple way to settle it...

Do you think society and government exists to serve the needs of the people who create it, or do you think it exists as a matter of course and people should serve it's mandates?

Simple really.. Which do you think is true? You guys who agree with the video keep ignoring that part of what the statement she made implies..

Nothing about her statement implies anything at all about "government".

 

[The2ndAmendment]

Thanks for reposting....


Looks like I win doesn't it?

???

We both won, because we both want the same thing, Melissa Harris Perry doesn't.

Did you read the final part?

If we look at the transcript, point blank, wtf does she mean right at the start? We haven't invested enough money into public education? Ridiculous, we spend more per student than any other nation.

At the end she says "We start making better investments." Sure, I agree, we should spend our money better, not spend more money, but she doesn't' say a damn thing about how to spend it better, except that if we remove parental Sovereignty over their children all of sudden our mega-investments will be more efficient.

If you don't believe that is the solution that she proposed, just read the transcript.

1. We have never invested as much in public education as we should have, because we have always had a private notion of our children.

2. [Sarcastic] 'Your kid is yours and totally your responsibility.'

3. We never had a collective notion that these are OUR children.

4. So part of it is that we have to break through our private idea that kids belong to their parents, or that kids belong to their families.

5. We must recognize that kids belong to the WHOLE COMMUNITY;

6. Once it is everyone's responsibility, and not just the household, we start making better investments.

In fact the advertisement is so bad, both Fox News and MSNBC have started a war over it.




That's pretty fucking bad. Notice that Chris Hayes doesn't mention lines 2-5 about "breaking the idea that children belong to their parents"

It's so bad, that even MSNBC won't play the short 30 seconds commercial to their own audience to hear (now that their audience is aware of conflicting viewpoints and the storm of controversy it caused).

In fact, Chris Hayes talks about Rush Limbaugh half the time; which is an easy target since Rush Limbaugh is a faggot



It's like Todd Akin saying his stupid abortion shit and then the right-wing



deflects the issue by discussing Reverend Wright, yeah, every side has their crazies.


Let's just discuss the god damn video, oh MSNBC afraid to talk about it? Have they pulled the ad yet (probably)?

 

[gslack]

Simple way to settle it...

Do you think society and government exists to serve the needs of the people who create it, or do you think it exists as a matter of course and people should serve it's mandates?

Simple really.. Which do you think is true? You guys who agree with the video keep ignoring that part of what the statement she made implies..

Nothing about her statement implies anything at all about "government".

Oh but there you are wrong. Her claim that the kids belong to the community and not the parents or families shows this... She has placed the will of her ideal of society above the needs of the people who create that society and government.

That's exactly what her claim is, deny it all you wish, but to claim what she did,that has to be her belief. A car can't own a person, a government can't own a person, society doesn't own any of its people. Yet that lady believes that "society" should decide for the people who live in it, and not that the people decide how the society is...

 

[Unkotare]

Why did you have kids?

And then tell me how that's not self centered...

The fact that you would ask that question more than proves everything I've been saying about you. Everyone who has kids (and those who don't, if they are simply normal human beings) can immediately see from your question and the motivation behind it, what a cartoonishly self-absorbed asshole you are.

 

[Rozman]

So white people plan to have kids when "they" can provide for them and provide a good life.
Everyone else can just have them as fast as possible because the Liberal community will take
care of them....

And the Democrat party has a shitload of future voters.

 

[The2ndAmendment]

This thread is a magnet for the Communists. Especially the ones that don't realize they are communists.

Greatest prediction of the 21st Century to date.

 

[rightwinger]

By saying parents have to defer to the collectiveness of the community, basically that is a slap in the face to any parent. Which is what the communist/socialist woman said and you refuse to acknowledge. I'm no more a rightwinger than you are with your sarcastic board ID name. I'm barely over the line into liberal (I've taken several ideological tests to confirm this - but I don't like extremist views whether they come from the left or the right). This is an extemist progressive far leftwing viewpoint and you are attempting in vain to minimize or rationalize it away. It's not going to work.

Where did anyone say parents have to defer to the collectiveness of the community?

In your hysteria do you just make shit up or are you just that fucking stupid?

Here's the quote from the video you should have heard if you had listened to it:

"We never had a collective notion that these are OUR children.

So part of it is that we have to break through our private idea that kids belong to their parents, or that kids belong to their families.

We must recognize that kids belong to the WHOLE COMMUNITY"

Maybe if you actually paid attention and LISTENED to what she was saying instead of rationalizing it away or glossing over it, then you might understand. Maybe you have poor communication skills, I don't know.

Do you actually have comprehension problems?

Where does it say parents have to defer to anyone? Saying that communities must collectively look after it's children in no way infers they are in any way usurping parental rights

You can't really be this stupid can you? Do you get your marching orders from Limbaugh?

 

[rightwinger]

Simple way to settle it...

Do you think society and government exists to serve the needs of the people who create it, or do you think it exists as a matter of course and people should serve it's mandates?

Simple really.. Which do you think is true? You guys who agree with the video keep ignoring that part of what the statement she made implies..

The video says nothing of the kind......only that communities should be more involved with their children

 

[CrusaderFrank]

We should take in Liberal children, teach them to hunt and fish and teach them American history

 

[The2ndAmendment]

Simple way to settle it...

Do you think society and government exists to serve the needs of the people who create it, or do you think it exists as a matter of course and people should serve it's mandates?

Simple really.. Which do you think is true? You guys who agree with the video keep ignoring that part of what the statement she made implies..

The video says nothing of the kind......only that communities should be more involved with their children

So, first let's fact check the first line:
We spend more per student than any other nation on Earth and get the worst return on our education than any other civilized country. However, let's forgive this error, and consider it a mistake. Perhaps she meant that we don't invest CORRECTLY. If we look at the final line, we see that she says "then we'll start making BETTER investments." Ok, so we'll give her a pass here, since she rectifies the error of the first line.

Well actually, since this was a well prepared PROMO ad, which was approved many times by their studio before they ran the ad, we actually CAN NOT forgive this for this error in such a short sub-100 word speech. This had to be intentional. This wasn't just something she said off the cuff.

But anyway, let's continue to give them the benefit of the doubt. Ok great, we're not investing correctly into the education of our children, we can mostly all agree on that. So what is their the solution, how will we start making better investments?

Oh, by making the State sovereign over your children, such that your children only belong to you as a privilege extended to you by the government; not by right, which must be abused before the government can intervene, no, now it's a privilege to have your children.

Apparently transferring Sovereignty from the parents to the government (over your children) will make public education investments "better." The way we're spending the money isn't the problem, it's you!




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So, can you tell us (otherwise) what her diagnosis and cure was to the problem of not investing enough money into education?

 

[Lakhota]

Melissa Harris-Perry is a very smart lady.

 

[gslack]

Simple way to settle it...

Do you think society and government exists to serve the needs of the people who create it, or do you think it exists as a matter of course and people should serve it's mandates?

Simple really.. Which do you think is true? You guys who agree with the video keep ignoring that part of what the statement she made implies..

The video says nothing of the kind......only that communities should be more involved with their children

NOPE WRONG!

The lady in the video clearly stated that the community owns the children.. Whats a community? A community is a group of people co-existing and cooperating for the betterment of themselves collectively. A society in this instance would be the collection of those communities. Which communities? Obviously only the ones she feels able to make the decisions she decides are best.

Simply put, she has put the society, or her ideal of it, above the people whom it is to serve..

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Progressives running toward Communism

 

[rightwinger]

Simple way to settle it...

Do you think society and government exists to serve the needs of the people who create it, or do you think it exists as a matter of course and people should serve it's mandates?

Simple really.. Which do you think is true? You guys who agree with the video keep ignoring that part of what the statement she made implies..

The video says nothing of the kind......only that communities should be more involved with their children

NOPE WRONG!

The lady in the video clearly stated that the community owns the children.. Whats a community? A community is a group of people co-existing and cooperating for the betterment of themselves collectively. A society in this instance would be the collection of those communities. Which communities? Obviously only the ones she feels able to make the decisions she decides are best.

Simply put, she has put the society, or her ideal of it, above the people whom it is to serve..

Where does she say the community owns the children?
Where does she say anything about parents giving up parental rights?

are conservatives really this dumb?

 

[rightwinger]

Simple way to settle it...

Do you think society and government exists to serve the needs of the people who create it, or do you think it exists as a matter of course and people should serve it's mandates?

Simple really.. Which do you think is true? You guys who agree with the video keep ignoring that part of what the statement she made implies..

The video says nothing of the kind......only that communities should be more involved with their children

So, first let's fact check the first line:
We spend more per student than any other nation on Earth and get the worst return on our education than any other civilized country. However, let's forgive this error, and consider it a mistake. Perhaps she meant that we don't invest CORRECTLY. If we look at the final line, we see that she says "then we'll start making BETTER investments." Ok, so we'll give her a pass here, since she rectifies the error of the first line.

Well actually, since this was a well prepared PROMO ad, which was approved many times by their studio before they ran the ad, we actually CAN NOT forgive this for this error in such a short sub-100 word speech. This had to be intentional. This wasn't just something she said off the cuff.

But anyway, let's continue to give them the benefit of the doubt. Ok great, we're not investing correctly into the education of our children, we can mostly all agree on that. So what is their the solution, how will we start making better investments?

Oh, by making the State sovereign over your children, such that your children only belong to you as a privilege extended to you by the government; not by right, which must be abused before the government can intervene, no, now it's a privilege to have your children.

Apparently transferring Sovereignty from the parents to the government (over your children) will make public education investments "better." The way we're spending the money isn't the problem, it's you!




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So, can you tell us (otherwise) what her diagnosis and cure was to the problem of not investing enough money into education?

Where has anyone ever advocated transferring sovereignty of our children?

Where do you guys get this shit?

 

[NYcarbineer]

I haven't read this thread but I'll bet one dollar not a single conservative here understood what that commercial meant.