MTP: Climate Change Discussion - no Deniers

[Crepitus]

Lol, you've refused to acknowledge the facts you've been given over and over.

Get back to us when you actually provide some facts.

Get back to me when you have stopped mindlessly denying and are ready to see some.

^^^ Diagnosis: Lame Deflection Due To Lack of Facts ^^^

Sorry doc, you need a second opinion.

Sorry (not really) to disappoint, but you are the one sorely in need of an actual opinion. Instead, you spew nonsensical prog religious dogma.

Nevermind.

 

[progressive hunter]

LOL my back yard is a jungle because I have refused to cut down a single tree.

that didnt answer my question,,,how many trees did you plant last yr??

I ask because any honest environmentalist knows that trees are the only real solution,,,,all the rest is just fascist bullsht

He can't tell the difference between planting and not cutting.

You guys are really the crown fools of deflection. I have planted trees all over my yard. Do you really have to be led by the hand on every statement.

but how many,,,4-5 trees are not going to save the world


and since your commitment only includes your own yard its clear youre a fraud

and I can only assume you live in a house and drive a car,,,so for you to tell us what we should do while its you thats the problem is hypocrisy at its best

come back and talk to us when you fixed your own house and the problems you cause

I couldn't get past the lame statement that is your first sentence.

The person was asked how many trees they have planted. The person replied. So you attacked him saying his contribution is meaningless. If more people planted 4 or 5 trees we would have a lot of new trees planted. Attacking people's efforts is a way to excuse you from taking any action and for no one to take any action. People aren't buying that anymore.

Now I want you to tell that to all the people along highway 12 in Washington state who died in the mud slides caused by the horrible clear cutting. Oh wait. You can't. They're dead.

I want you to tell that to the people in OSO when the clear cut mountain above their homes collapsed and all the mud slid down on top of their homes. Oh you can't they're dead.

Tell that to all the commercial business that uses the Nisqually River. Oh you can't. The forest around it was logged so bad twenty five miles of the riverbank collapsed into the river killing everything there and down stream. They can't use what's left of that river anymore.

Four or five trees can make a difference. Trees keep soil and dirt in place. Old growth have thicker bark to make them more resistant to wildfires. They also create a canopy over the forest floor that protects the snow so it doesn't evaporate with sunshine.

Trees at the top of those mountains and throughout the levels of the mountain would have prevented the mud slides that kills so many people, that kills so much livestock, destroys so many farms, homes and lives.

Yes 4 or 5 trees can make a difference.

I wouldn't be surprised if that's 4 or 5 more than you've planted.

How many trees have you planted?

he didnt contribute anything,,,

I agree on the clear cutting, which is why I say the gov isnt the solution, but if it all stops how will all those timber guys feed their families???

over my lifetime I have planted well over 1000 trees

the solution is not to call people that disagree morons, but more so to lead by example and show how what you do in your personal life can help solve the problem and try to convince them to do the same
if people are the problem then only people can be the solution

but like we see everyday is those that claim CC is real are in fact the cause of the problem

 

[boedicca]

Sorry, my agenda is the environment, the future of my kids and not leaving them saddled with an environmental catastrophe. Sorry, if that disappoints you.

so tell us how many trees you planted last yr???

LOL my back yard is a jungle because I have refused to cut down a single tree.

And you demonstrate that you cannot tell the difference between NOT cutting down a tree and PLANTING a tree.


Do you understand how much that destroys the credibility of your statements on Global Warming?

I didnt ask how many you didnt cut down, i asked how many you planted???


so yes I do know the dif


I just figured a person as dedicated as you would have planted thousands of trees to show you can put you money where your mouth is,,but I guess thats to much to ask

instead we get you telling everyone else what they should do

my dog cares more for the planet than you do,,,he shits outside and doesnt use man made resources for it,,

dont be such a hypocrite

Before an accident that left me with stenosis, sclerosis, degenerative disk disease in my spine with nerve damage in my hands and arms, I planted a lot of trees.

There are native sequoia redwood trees growing in parts of my state because I planted them. We used to have giant sequoia redwood trees here in my state that were larger than the ones in California but they were cut down at the beginning of the 20th century by stupid humans.

I can't tell you how many I planted because the number is so large I lost track.

I also planted Douglas fir trees and Yew trees.

These days, since I can no longer do the actual planting myself, I donate money to buy trees for other people to plant. I also go out to the forest to take photos for legal cases to save trees. So far, all the cases I've supplied photos for, were settled in our favor. Which resulted in millions of trees and thousands of acres from being clear cut and destroyed.

I go out to document the very real results of global warming or climate change. The photo below is one of them. That is a photo of what is now left of the Nisqually River. It's source is the glacier of Mt. Rainier on it's south side. For most of my life it was a very deep and raging river. All of the area of rocks that aren't trees in that photo is supposed to be water. Very deep raging fast river, now reduced to a trickle I can literally step over. I shot that photo using a curved 14 to 28mm lens because the area is so big my normal wide angle lens can't get the whole thing. I can post you photo after photo documenting the clear cuts. Before and after photos of ice caves that existed for thousands of years now gone because they melted from climate change. I can post photo after photo of lakes, streams and rivers with levels either too low to sustain life or totally dry. Because of global climate change.

View attachment 237580

Planting trees isn't the only thing I've done for our environment. I've worked to save our environment and trees since my early 20s.


How many trees have you planted?

I call shenanigans on that photo. Rivers that exist due to snow or glacier melt (which is the case with Nisqually), often have periods where the flow is quite weak. There is also a large damn on the river which holds back water at times.

I can find recent photos showing the river full of water.

I don't see a giant alarm about the river drying up here:

Who We Are – Nisqually River Council

 

[Dana7360]

Wrong, I expect for all of us to live with the conveniences of modern society but in a sustainable way.

"Sustainable" as defined how and by whom?

When I was kid, my very conservative parents inculcated in me never to waste. But whoa, I guess that is now a Marxist concept. You can't make this stuff up! (Not you but another poster indicated that)

WOW...

Your called out on your Marxist belief, terms, and now you want to cry, take your ball, and go home.... Typical left wing idiot...

Where do you come up with this stuff. Do you even know what Maxism is? I always know I have won an argument when name calling comes into play.

People like that have been brainwashed to believe that anyone who doesn't agree with them is a liberal, that all liberals are all of the following, a fascist, a socialist, a communist. That all people who don't agree with them are evil liberal, fascists, socialists and communists.

Never mind that it doesn't make any sense. It does to that person and people like that person.

It's really best to not engage with that person and people like it.

 

[LoneLaugher]

If you cannot accept the fact that human caused climate change is a severe national security threat, you are of no use to anyone as we try to come up with workable solutions. So you have no place in the conversation. Ciao!

"We".....LMAO!

Prove your "solutions" are workable or even possible.

First, please indicate that you accept the fact that man made climate change is a serious national security threat.

Then we can discuss the solutions.

Thanks.

 

[LoneLaugher]

Again. There is no viable contrarian thought on the existence of human caused climate change and it’s threat to our national security. It is fact.

If you don’t agree with that assessment, you are not invited to the debate regarding how to deal with the threat.

What’s fucked up is that intelligent people like you think it’s important to placate those who will not accept facts....so we can pretend to be open minded.

100% lie.

You cannot have an intelligent conversation whose baseline premise is a total lie.

Sorry. You’re not invited. Peace.

There you have it....Live your lies or have no place in the conversation.

Good job, Karl.

If you cannot accept the fact that human caused climate change is a severe national security threat, you are of no use to anyone as we try to come up with workable solutions. So you have no place in the conversation. Ciao!

since I've given you morons the solution several times it makes it clear your objective is other than to solve the problem

Say what?

 

[boedicca]

If you cannot accept the fact that human caused climate change is a severe national security threat, you are of no use to anyone as we try to come up with workable solutions. So you have no place in the conversation. Ciao!

"We".....LMAO!

Prove your "solutions" are workable or even possible.

First, please indicate that you accept the fact that man made climate change is a serious national security threat.

Then we can discuss the solutions.

Thanks.

First, please admit that you are an Acolyte of the Secular Church of Global(ist) Warming and that you are preaching Faith Based dogma.

 

[depotoo]

Sorry, my agenda is the environment, the future of my kids and not leaving them saddled with an environmental catastrophe. Sorry, if that disappoints you.

so tell us how many trees you planted last yr???

LOL my back yard is a jungle because I have refused to cut down a single tree.

And you demonstrate that you cannot tell the difference between NOT cutting down a tree and PLANTING a tree.


Do you understand how much that destroys the credibility of your statements on Global Warming?

I didnt ask how many you didnt cut down, i asked how many you planted???


so yes I do know the dif


I just figured a person as dedicated as you would have planted thousands of trees to show you can put you money where your mouth is,,but I guess thats to much to ask

instead we get you telling everyone else what they should do

my dog cares more for the planet than you do,,,he shits outside and doesnt use man made resources for it,,

dont be such a hypocrite

Before an accident that left me with stenosis, sclerosis, degenerative disk disease in my spine with nerve damage in my hands and arms, I planted a lot of trees.

There are native sequoia redwood trees growing in parts of my state because I planted them. We used to have giant sequoia redwood trees here in my state that were larger than the ones in California but they were cut down at the beginning of the 20th century by stupid humans.

I can't tell you how many I planted because the number is so large I lost track.

I also planted Douglas fir trees and Yew trees.

These days, since I can no longer do the actual planting myself, I donate money to buy trees for other people to plant. I also go out to the forest to take photos for legal cases to save trees. So far, all the cases I've supplied photos for, were settled in our favor. Which resulted in millions of trees and thousands of acres from being clear cut and destroyed.

I go out to document the very real results of global warming or climate change. The photo below is one of them. That is a photo of what is now left of the Nisqually River. It's source is the glacier of Mt. Rainier on it's south side. For most of my life it was a very deep and raging river. All of the area of rocks that aren't trees in that photo is supposed to be water. Very deep raging fast river, now reduced to a trickle I can literally step over. I shot that photo using a curved 14 to 28mm lens because the area is so big my normal wide angle lens can't get the whole thing. I can post you photo after photo documenting the clear cuts. Before and after photos of ice caves that existed for thousands of years now gone because they melted from climate change. I can post photo after photo of lakes, streams and rivers with levels either too low to sustain life or totally dry. Because of global climate change.

View attachment 237580

Planting trees isn't the only thing I've done for our environment. I've worked to save our environment and trees since my early 20s.


How many trees have you planted?

 

[progressive hunter]

Wrong, I expect for all of us to live with the conveniences of modern society but in a sustainable way.

"Sustainable" as defined how and by whom?

When I was kid, my very conservative parents inculcated in me never to waste. But whoa, I guess that is now a Marxist concept. You can't make this stuff up! (Not you but another poster indicated that)

WOW...

Your called out on your Marxist belief, terms, and now you want to cry, take your ball, and go home.... Typical left wing idiot...

Where do you come up with this stuff. Do you even know what Maxism is? I always know I have won an argument when name calling comes into play.

People like that have been brainwashed to believe that anyone who doesn't agree with them is a liberal, that all liberals are all of the following, a fascist, a socialist, a communist. That all people who don't agree with them are evil liberal, fascists, socialists and communists.

Never mind that it doesn't make any sense. It does to that person and people like that person.

It's really best to not engage with that person and people like it.

I called them fascist because thats their attitude towards those that dont see things their way,,

a good example is the title of this thread

"NO DENIERS"


for those of us that dont believe the hype from the climate thumpers is based on the fact that it has not and can not be proven that humans are the cause of it,,for that you would have to have something to compare it too,,which they dont

 

[Dana7360]

I always find any thread/subject matter/challenge humorous in a sad way when the initial attempt is to block anyone with an opposing opinion, whether it be climate change (which is a natural phenomenon and not the man-made disaster fakes like Al Gore make millions promoting) or the Mueller lying fiasco costing taxpayers millions of dollars even while there is a shutdown.

tions to a problem, those who deny there's any problem and have absolutely zero solutions, it's a waste of time to include those who won't add any solutions.

The debate wasn't about if climate change is real or not.

The debate was finding solutions about the problem and the problems it causes. You invite people who do have some solutions to the problem. Not people who don't have any solutions.

You're expecting Chuck Todd to change the subject. Which isn't going to happen.

Besides, we've already heard the lies and garbage already. For years. Global climate change is a hoax, nearly 50 years ago someone said the globe was cooling without any proof of it, the Chinese are behind it blah blah blah. We've heard it all before. It's old, tired and no one is listening anymore.

If they had any solutions to offer they would have been invited. Or if the subject was whether global climate change is real or not they would have been invited. That topic has been debated to death. The topic was SOLUTIONS. So when your side can offer solutions you will have a seat at the table when the subject is solutions to the problem.

Until then stop whining.

 

[LoneLaugher]

If you cannot accept the fact that human caused climate change is a severe national security threat, you are of no use to anyone as we try to come up with workable solutions. So you have no place in the conversation. Ciao!

"We".....LMAO!

Prove your "solutions" are workable or even possible.

First, please indicate that you accept the fact that man made climate change is a serious national security threat.

Then we can discuss the solutions.

Thanks.

First, please admit that you are an Acolyte of the Secular Church of Global(ist) Warming and that you are preaching Faith Based dogma.

Why are you addressing me? You asked me to avoid speaking to you years ago. Have you forgotten?

 

[Dana7360]

Only people who are in complete agreement should communicate on the important issues. We must shut down and shut out all contrarian thought .

That's where we are, gang. We've gotten that fucked up.
.

That's so not true.

When your discussion is about solutions to a problem those who refuse to acknowledge the problem exists and have absolutely zero solutions don't have any place at the table.

When they have solutions they will have a place at the table.

The subject isn't if climate change is real. The subject is what solutions can we find for the problem.

When someone doesn't even believe there's a problem and have no solutions they aren't invited to find solutions. They have no place at the table with people who want to find solutions.

You're expecting the subject to be different from what it is and you're expecting people to have to listen to the same lies and garbage we've already heard millions of times.

You are not being honest.

 

[Mac1958]

Only people who are in complete agreement should communicate on the important issues. We must shut down and shut out all contrarian thought .

That's where we are, gang. We've gotten that fucked up.
.

That's so not true.

When your discussion is about solutions to a problem those who refuse to acknowledge the problem exists and have absolutely zero solutions don't have any place at the table.

When they have solutions they will have a place at the table.

The subject isn't if climate change is real. The subject is what solutions can we find for the problem.

When someone doesn't even believe there's a problem and have no solutions they aren't invited to find solutions. They have no place at the table with people who want to find solutions.

You're expecting the subject to be different from what it is and you're expecting people to have to listen to the same lies and garbage we've already heard millions of times.

You are not being honest.

You confirm my point, justify your behavior, and then tell me I'm not being honest.

Okay, got it.
.

 

[LoneLaugher]

Hey Mac1958, is human caused climate change a serious national security threat?

Oops! You’ve told me many times that I don’t merit a response from you to any of my questions. I wonder if I dare?

 

[Dana7360]

A comprehensive conversation requires a wide range of viewpoints, including contrarians.

You never know what might pop up.

We just no longer care about that, because we're no longer listening.
.

People no longer care about that because nothing intelligent, honest or logical ever comes from climate change deniers.

All they do is hamper any progress that's possible.

They've been invited to the table for decades and all they do is everything they can to prevent any positive steps from being taken to at least slow it down or even take steps to change infrastructure to with stand the different climate extremes we are now having and will have in the future.

Their inaction and actions to stop any action taken to reverse or combat the problem kills people. Allows for unnecessary destruction of property and infrastructure and the loss of billions of dollars.

If they had something positive and constructive to contribute they would still be welcome.

There's always an excuse to shut someone down. I'm not a fan of that.
.

That's exactly what you're doing and have been from your first post.

You're trying to change the subject to shut down any discussion of solutions.

You're demanding the subject to be what you want it to be. Guess what? MTP isn't your TV show and you have no control of what his subject is.

His subject this week was solutions. Not debate about if it exists.

When looking for solutions you don't invite people who have none and who have worked all their professional ives to prevent any solutions or any action being taken or even if it exists.

When you're looking for solutions you invite people who do actually have solutions. People who don't want to change the subject of the show and actually offer concrete ideas to possibly solve the problem.

If the other side had solutions they would have been invited. Their solution is it's not real, not only do nothing but take actions that we know will make the problem worse. So in a discussion about solutions no, climate change deniers have no place at the table mostly because they have nothing to add to a conversation that's only about finding solutions.

If you wanted to find the solution to a hole in your roof are you going to invite a chef to fix the problem or are you going to invite a roof specialist?

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Fundamentally, It's About Getting Funding

What are Noady Niers? Is that some newly invented greenhouse gas you want to scare us with?

 

[Dana7360]

so tell us how many trees you planted last yr???

LOL my back yard is a jungle because I have refused to cut down a single tree.

And you demonstrate that you cannot tell the difference between NOT cutting down a tree and PLANTING a tree.


Do you understand how much that destroys the credibility of your statements on Global Warming?

I didnt ask how many you didnt cut down, i asked how many you planted???


so yes I do know the dif


I just figured a person as dedicated as you would have planted thousands of trees to show you can put you money where your mouth is,,but I guess thats to much to ask

instead we get you telling everyone else what they should do

my dog cares more for the planet than you do,,,he shits outside and doesnt use man made resources for it,,

dont be such a hypocrite

Before an accident that left me with stenosis, sclerosis, degenerative disk disease in my spine with nerve damage in my hands and arms, I planted a lot of trees.

There are native sequoia redwood trees growing in parts of my state because I planted them. We used to have giant sequoia redwood trees here in my state that were larger than the ones in California but they were cut down at the beginning of the 20th century by stupid humans.

I can't tell you how many I planted because the number is so large I lost track.

I also planted Douglas fir trees and Yew trees.

These days, since I can no longer do the actual planting myself, I donate money to buy trees for other people to plant. I also go out to the forest to take photos for legal cases to save trees. So far, all the cases I've supplied photos for, were settled in our favor. Which resulted in millions of trees and thousands of acres from being clear cut and destroyed.

I go out to document the very real results of global warming or climate change. The photo below is one of them. That is a photo of what is now left of the Nisqually River. It's source is the glacier of Mt. Rainier on it's south side. For most of my life it was a very deep and raging river. All of the area of rocks that aren't trees in that photo is supposed to be water. Very deep raging fast river, now reduced to a trickle I can literally step over. I shot that photo using a curved 14 to 28mm lens because the area is so big my normal wide angle lens can't get the whole thing. I can post you photo after photo documenting the clear cuts. Before and after photos of ice caves that existed for thousands of years now gone because they melted from climate change. I can post photo after photo of lakes, streams and rivers with levels either too low to sustain life or totally dry. Because of global climate change.

View attachment 237580

Planting trees isn't the only thing I've done for our environment. I've worked to save our environment and trees since my early 20s.


How many trees have you planted?

I own and take care of at least 2000 trees in an urban area
and plan to plant at least 200-300 more this yr

might not be much but I'm not the one complaining while doing nothing myself,,

and the real solution has nothing to do with government, only the people can fix problems they caused

Good. I'm glad you have taken steps to plant trees.

The United States government is the people of our nation. We need everyone to help out. Not just a few here and there.

The problem is a big one which requires big solutions. it can only be done with people and government working together for the solutions.

 

[Mac1958]

A comprehensive conversation requires a wide range of viewpoints, including contrarians.

You never know what might pop up.

We just no longer care about that, because we're no longer listening.
.

People no longer care about that because nothing intelligent, honest or logical ever comes from climate change deniers.

All they do is hamper any progress that's possible.

They've been invited to the table for decades and all they do is everything they can to prevent any positive steps from being taken to at least slow it down or even take steps to change infrastructure to with stand the different climate extremes we are now having and will have in the future.

Their inaction and actions to stop any action taken to reverse or combat the problem kills people. Allows for unnecessary destruction of property and infrastructure and the loss of billions of dollars.

If they had something positive and constructive to contribute they would still be welcome.

There's always an excuse to shut someone down. I'm not a fan of that.
.

That's exactly what you're doing and have been from your first post.

You're trying to change the subject to shut down any discussion of solutions.

You're demanding the subject to be what you want it to be. Guess what? MTP isn't your TV show and you have no control of what his subject is.

His subject this week was solutions. Not debate about if it exists.

When looking for solutions you don't invite people who have none and who have worked all their professional ives to prevent any solutions or any action being taken or even if it exists.

When you're looking for solutions you invite people who do actually have solutions. People who don't want to change the subject of the show and actually offer concrete ideas to possibly solve the problem.

If the other side had solutions they would have been invited. Their solution is it's not real, not only do nothing but take actions that we know will make the problem worse. So in a discussion about solutions no, climate change deniers have no place at the table mostly because they have nothing to add to a conversation that's only about finding solutions.

If you wanted to find the solution to a hole in your roof are you going to invite a chef to fix the problem or are you going to invite a roof specialist?

I'm not demanding anything. I just made an observation and heads blew up.

I'd bet that not everyone on the other side of the aisle is a whacked out talk radio hardcore denier. Maybe there's some way to at least start somewhere.

Oh, I'm just kidding. I no longer expect wingers on either end drop their egos, open their minds and try a little.

That skill is gone.
.

 

[Billy_Bob]

A comprehensive conversation requires a wide range of viewpoints, including contrarians.

You never know what might pop up.

We just no longer care about that, because we're no longer listening.
.

People no longer care about that because nothing intelligent, honest or logical ever comes from climate change deniers.

All they do is hamper any progress that's possible.

They've been invited to the table for decades and all they do is everything they can to prevent any positive steps from being taken to at least slow it down or even take steps to change infrastructure to with stand the different climate extremes we are now having and will have in the future.

Their inaction and actions to stop any action taken to reverse or combat the problem kills people. Allows for unnecessary destruction of property and infrastructure and the loss of billions of dollars.

If they had something positive and constructive to contribute they would still be welcome.

There's always an excuse to shut someone down. I'm not a fan of that.
.

That's exactly what you're doing and have been from your first post.

You're trying to change the subject to shut down any discussion of solutions.

You're demanding the subject to be what you want it to be. Guess what? MTP isn't your TV show and you have no control of what his subject is.

His subject this week was solutions. Not debate about if it exists.

When looking for solutions you don't invite people who have none and who have worked all their professional ives to prevent any solutions or any action being taken or even if it exists.

When you're looking for solutions you invite people who do actually have solutions. People who don't want to change the subject of the show and actually offer concrete ideas to possibly solve the problem.

If the other side had solutions they would have been invited. Their solution is it's not real, not only do nothing but take actions that we know will make the problem worse. So in a discussion about solutions no, climate change deniers have no place at the table mostly because they have nothing to add to a conversation that's only about finding solutions.

If you wanted to find the solution to a hole in your roof are you going to invite a chef to fix the problem or are you going to invite a roof specialist?

Why do you drones lie and demand we give up our freedoms and way of life for your fantasy problems?

 

[progressive hunter]

LOL my back yard is a jungle because I have refused to cut down a single tree.

And you demonstrate that you cannot tell the difference between NOT cutting down a tree and PLANTING a tree.


Do you understand how much that destroys the credibility of your statements on Global Warming?

I didnt ask how many you didnt cut down, i asked how many you planted???


so yes I do know the dif


I just figured a person as dedicated as you would have planted thousands of trees to show you can put you money where your mouth is,,but I guess thats to much to ask

instead we get you telling everyone else what they should do

my dog cares more for the planet than you do,,,he shits outside and doesnt use man made resources for it,,

dont be such a hypocrite

so you want to use the government to force people to live as you say and do what you say??
HOW IS THAT NOT FASCIST???

and sweetie pie,,,YOU DONT KNOW A DAMN THING ABOUT ME!!!,,,









Before an accident that left me with stenosis, sclerosis, degenerative disk disease in my spine with nerve damage in my hands and arms, I planted a lot of trees.

There are native sequoia redwood trees growing in parts of my state because I planted them. We used to have giant sequoia redwood trees here in my state that were larger than the ones in California but they were cut down at the beginning of the 20th century by stupid humans.

I can't tell you how many I planted because the number is so large I lost track.

I also planted Douglas fir trees and Yew trees.

These days, since I can no longer do the actual planting myself, I donate money to buy trees for other people to plant. I also go out to the forest to take photos for legal cases to save trees. So far, all the cases I've supplied photos for, were settled in our favor. Which resulted in millions of trees and thousands of acres from being clear cut and destroyed.

I go out to document the very real results of global warming or climate change. The photo below is one of them. That is a photo of what is now left of the Nisqually River. It's source is the glacier of Mt. Rainier on it's south side. For most of my life it was a very deep and raging river. All of the area of rocks that aren't trees in that photo is supposed to be water. Very deep raging fast river, now reduced to a trickle I can literally step over. I shot that photo using a curved 14 to 28mm lens because the area is so big my normal wide angle lens can't get the whole thing. I can post you photo after photo documenting the clear cuts. Before and after photos of ice caves that existed for thousands of years now gone because they melted from climate change. I can post photo after photo of lakes, streams and rivers with levels either too low to sustain life or totally dry. Because of global climate change.

View attachment 237580

Planting trees isn't the only thing I've done for our environment. I've worked to save our environment and trees since my early 20s.


How many trees have you planted?

I own and take care of at least 2000 trees in an urban area
and plan to plant at least 200-300 more this yr

might not be much but I'm not the one complaining while doing nothing myself,,

and the real solution has nothing to do with government, only the people can fix problems they caused

Good. I'm glad you have taken steps to plant trees.

The United States government is the people of our nation. We need everyone to help out. Not just a few here and there.

The problem is a big one which requires big solutions. it can only be done with people and government working together for the solutions.