My problem with the NFL re: National Anthem

[Bonzi]

Your problem with the NFL re: the National Anthem is exactly the same as every dumbass rube's problem. You don't understand what the protest is about and you don't understand what the flag represents.

Saying "there are other ways to protest" is really stupid and fails to recognize the importanct role that protests play in our society.

Maybe, but you are also slapping in the face all those that fight/fought for our country and built it. Whether that is your intent or not

 

[Taz]

Like everyone, people have a right to NOT do things. To say what they want.
But also, there are consequences, so, if you are willing to endure them, fine.

Just like committing crimes. You have a right to commit them. But you also have the consequence of going to jail.

Um, no, there is no right to commit a crime.

There is a right to protest government policies you don't like.

Now, yeah, the owners could fire these guys. They'd be in violation of union contracts and would have to pay out a lot of money, but they could do that.

1. Failure to be on the field by the start of the National Anthem may result in discipline, such as fines, suspensions, and/or the forfeiture of draft choice(s) for violations of the above, including first offenses.

It's never happened and players are routinely in the dressing room during the anthem getting something fixed... tending to an injury... taking a dump...

 

[Mac1958]

Maybe, but you are also slapping in the face all those that fight/fought for our country and built it. Whether that is your intent or not

Freedom of expression, our most important right, can be tough as hell. It's about tolerating and protecting expression we don't like.

I think we already have enough people in this country who are ignoring that fact. Maybe live and let live, let Americans express themselves.
.

 

[usmbguest5318]

Per the NFL rulebook:

1. It should be pointed out to players and coaches that we continue to be judged by the public in this area of respect for the flag and our country.

Actually, there are supposed to be penalties enforced but yeah, my Mom shared this with me so I'm assume its accurate but will see if I can find the link

Are you grown? If so, it's high time you question the things your parents tell you. You are no longer beholden to them and they are as likely fallible as the next guy. Do yourself a favor and "trust but verify" even the things your parents tell you.

Per the NFL rulebook:

1. It should be pointed out to players and coaches that we continue to be judged by the public in this area of respect for the flag and our country.

Even though that statement appears in the NFL rule book, the statement is neither an instruction nor requirement nor prohibition; thus it is not a rule. It is a reminder and an observation.

BTW, seeing as you reviewed the NFL rulebook, would you share with us the link to it or perhaps attach it to your OP?

2017 NFL Rulebook | NFL Football Operations

2017 Rulebook

The link above is for the PDF download of the rulebook. Doing a search for the word "country," one finds that word does not appear in the whole of the document. Searching for the word "judged," one finds it four times and none of them is in the sentence you've indicated. Accordingly, I deem that the so-called rule you (your mother?) claims is in the rulebook is wholly fabricated.

Per the NFL rulebook:

1. It should be pointed out to players and coaches that we continue to be judged by the public in this area of respect for the flag and our country.

 

[Taz]

Your problem with the NFL re: the National Anthem is exactly the same as every dumbass rube's problem. You don't understand what the protest is about and you don't understand what the flag represents.

Saying "there are other ways to protest" is really stupid and fails to recognize the importanct role that protests play in our society.

Maybe, but you are also slapping in the face all those that fight/fought for our country and built it. Whether that is your intent or not

You're putting your own meaning into what they did, which had nothing to do with what you think it does. And I bet that if it had been some white hero like Tom Brady taking a knee, everyone would have said "Oh, how brave". H-Y-P-O-C-R-I-T-E.

 

[Bonzi]

Maybe, but you are also slapping in the face all those that fight/fought for our country and built it. Whether that is your intent or not

Freedom of expression, our most important right, can be tough as hell. It's about tolerating and protecting expression we don't like.

I think we already have enough people in this country who are ignoring that fact. Maybe live and let live, let Americans express themselves.
.

Everyone is exercising their freedom of speech and expression right now, and it's getting tense. So, we'll see if that's always a good thing (not saying it is or it isn't) but it goes both ways.....

 

[gtopa1]

So what exactly are the Players protesting? That 49er (no way I can get Koepernek's name right) who started this said he was supporting BLM and that the cops were murdering Blacks. The Courts disagreed, at least in the cases he was showcasing. So what is the actual issue?

Greg

 

[Bonzi]

Per the NFL rulebook:

1. It should be pointed out to players and coaches that we continue to be judged by the public in this area of respect for the flag and our country.

Actually, there are supposed to be penalties enforced but yeah, my Mom shared this with me so I'm assume its accurate but will see if I can find the link

Per the NFL rulebook:

1. It should be pointed out to players and coaches that we continue to be judged by the public in this area of respect for the flag and our country.

Even though that statement appears in the NFL rule book, the statement is neither an instruction nor requirement nor prohibition; thus it is not a rule. It is a reminder and an observation.

BTW, seeing as you reviewed the NFL rulebook, would you share with us the link to it or perhaps attach it to your OP?

2017 NFL Rulebook | NFL Football Operations

2017 Rulebook

The link above is for the PDF download of the rulebook. Doing a search for the word "country," one finds that word does not appear in the whole of the document. Searching for the word "judged," one finds it four times and none of them is in the sentence you've indicated. Accordingly, I deem that the so-called rule you (your mother?) claims is in the rulebook is wholly fabricated.

Per the NFL rulebook:

1. It should be pointed out to players and coaches that we continue to be judged by the public in this area of respect for the flag and our country.

Could be.... I'll mention it to her

 

[Mac1958]

Maybe, but you are also slapping in the face all those that fight/fought for our country and built it. Whether that is your intent or not

Freedom of expression, our most important right, can be tough as hell. It's about tolerating and protecting expression we don't like.

I think we already have enough people in this country who are ignoring that fact. Maybe live and let live, let Americans express themselves.
.

Everyone is exercising their freedom of speech and expression right now, and it's getting tense. So, we'll see if that's always a good thing (not saying it is or it isn't) but it goes both ways.....

Yeah.

There are clearly a lot of people who are more interested in making things worse than in healing. That just makes it tougher, but we have to protect their speech, even if they won't protect ours.

Not fun.
.

 

[JoeB131]

Failure to be on the field by the start of the National Anthem may result in discipline, such as fines, suspensions, and/or the forfeiture of draft choice(s) for violations of the above, including first offenses.

Okay, good luck trying to enforce that.

We all have rights as human beings on this planet to do whatever we damn well please

Um, no, we actually don't.

 

[LoneLaugher]

Your problem with the NFL re: the National Anthem is exactly the same as every dumbass rube's problem. You don't understand what the protest is about and you don't understand what the flag represents.

Saying "there are other ways to protest" is really stupid and fails to recognize the importanct role that protests play in our society.

Maybe, but you are also slapping in the face all those that fight/fought for our country and built it. Whether that is your intent or not

No. That is false. Simply put, they fought PRECISELY SO THESE PROTESTS CAN BE POSSIBLE.

Shit. This isn't that hard to understand.

 

[gtopa1]

Your problem with the NFL re: the National Anthem is exactly the same as every dumbass rube's problem. You don't understand what the protest is about and you don't understand what the flag represents.

Saying "there are other ways to protest" is really stupid and fails to recognize the importanct role that protests play in our society.

Maybe, but you are also slapping in the face all those that fight/fought for our country and built it. Whether that is your intent or not

You're putting your own meaning into what they did, which had nothing to do with what you think it does. And I bet that if it had been some white hero like Tom Brady taking a knee, everyone would have said "Oh, how brave". H-Y-P-O-C-R-I-T-E.

What? What utter nonsense!! Despite the hypotheticals why would one accept ANYBODY not respecting the Flag and Anthem? So do tell; what exactly are they protesting about?

Greg

 

[LoneLaugher]

Maybe, but you are also slapping in the face all those that fight/fought for our country and built it. Whether that is your intent or not

Freedom of expression, our most important right, can be tough as hell. It's about tolerating and protecting expression we don't like.

I think we already have enough people in this country who are ignoring that fact. Maybe live and let live, let Americans express themselves.
.

Everyone is exercising their freedom of speech and expression right now, and it's getting tense. So, we'll see if that's always a good thing (not saying it is or it isn't) but it goes both ways.....

Yeah.

There are clearly a lot of people who are more interested in making things worse than in healing. That just makes it tougher, but we have to protect their speech, even if they won't protect ours.

Not fun.
.

Who is not protecting your speech? Who is "their" in this equation?

 

[gtopa1]

Your problem with the NFL re: the National Anthem is exactly the same as every dumbass rube's problem. You don't understand what the protest is about and you don't understand what the flag represents.

Saying "there are other ways to protest" is really stupid and fails to recognize the importanct role that protests play in our society.

Maybe, but you are also slapping in the face all those that fight/fought for our country and built it. Whether that is your intent or not

No. That is false. Silly put, they fought PRECISELY SO THESE PROTESTS CAN BE POSSIBLE.

Shit. This isn't that hard to understand.

I'm with Voltaire on this but tell me; am I not allowed to have my say on their actions? And act accordingly......within the Law of course. (Disclaimer: I am not a yank but this affects us wherever we are).

Greg

 

[Taz]

Your problem with the NFL re: the National Anthem is exactly the same as every dumbass rube's problem. You don't understand what the protest is about and you don't understand what the flag represents.

Saying "there are other ways to protest" is really stupid and fails to recognize the importanct role that protests play in our society.

Maybe, but you are also slapping in the face all those that fight/fought for our country and built it. Whether that is your intent or not

You're putting your own meaning into what they did, which had nothing to do with what you think it does. And I bet that if it had been some white hero like Tom Brady taking a knee, everyone would have said "Oh, how brave". H-Y-P-O-C-R-I-T-E.

What? What utter nonsense!! Despite the hypotheticals why would one accept ANYBODY not respecting the Flag and Anthem? So do tell; what exactly are they protesting about?

Greg

Google it, you wouldn't believe me anyways.

BTW, if anything, Kap disrespected the anthem (which was playing), not the flag. It wasn't a flag ceremony, it was the singing of the national anthem. Now you know.

 

[gtopa1]

Your problem with the NFL re: the National Anthem is exactly the same as every dumbass rube's problem. You don't understand what the protest is about and you don't understand what the flag represents.

Saying "there are other ways to protest" is really stupid and fails to recognize the importanct role that protests play in our society.

Maybe, but you are also slapping in the face all those that fight/fought for our country and built it. Whether that is your intent or not

You're putting your own meaning into what they did, which had nothing to do with what you think it does. And I bet that if it had been some white hero like Tom Brady taking a knee, everyone would have said "Oh, how brave". H-Y-P-O-C-R-I-T-E.

What? What utter nonsense!! Despite the hypotheticals why would one accept ANYBODY not respecting the Flag and Anthem? So do tell; what exactly are they protesting about?

Greg

Google it, you wouldn't believe me anyways.

BTW, if anything, Kap disrespected the anthem (which was playing), not the flag. It wasn't a flag ceremony, it was the singing of the national anthem. Now you know.

You jump to a conclusion which is in error. Is not the song about the Flag and what it represents wrt Fort McHenry etc etc etc?

Greg

 

[LoneLaugher]

Your problem with the NFL re: the National Anthem is exactly the same as every dumbass rube's problem. You don't understand what the protest is about and you don't understand what the flag represents.

Saying "there are other ways to protest" is really stupid and fails to recognize the importanct role that protests play in our society.

Maybe, but you are also slapping in the face all those that fight/fought for our country and built it. Whether that is your intent or not

No. That is false. Silly put, they fought PRECISELY SO THESE PROTESTS CAN BE POSSIBLE.

Shit. This isn't that hard to understand.

I'm with Voltaire on this but tell me; am I not allowed to have my say on their actions? And act accordingly......within the Law of course. (Disclaimer: I am not a yank but this affects us wherever we are).

Greg

Of course you can have your say. Who has suggested otherwise?

 

[gtopa1]

Your problem with the NFL re: the National Anthem is exactly the same as every dumbass rube's problem. You don't understand what the protest is about and you don't understand what the flag represents.

Saying "there are other ways to protest" is really stupid and fails to recognize the importanct role that protests play in our society.

Maybe, but you are also slapping in the face all those that fight/fought for our country and built it. Whether that is your intent or not

No. That is false. Silly put, they fought PRECISELY SO THESE PROTESTS CAN BE POSSIBLE.

Shit. This isn't that hard to understand.

I'm with Voltaire on this but tell me; am I not allowed to have my say on their actions? And act accordingly......within the Law of course. (Disclaimer: I am not a yank but this affects us wherever we are).

Greg

Of course you can have your say. Who has suggested otherwise?

Yourself by saying that President Trump was out of line to have his say.

Greg

 

[usmbguest5318]

Per the NFL rulebook:

1. It should be pointed out to players and coaches that we continue to be judged by the public in this area of respect for the flag and our country.

Actually, there are supposed to be penalties enforced but yeah, my Mom shared this with me so I'm assume its accurate but will see if I can find the link

Per the NFL rulebook:

1. It should be pointed out to players and coaches that we continue to be judged by the public in this area of respect for the flag and our country.

Even though that statement appears in the NFL rule book, the statement is neither an instruction nor requirement nor prohibition; thus it is not a rule. It is a reminder and an observation.

BTW, seeing as you reviewed the NFL rulebook, would you share with us the link to it or perhaps attach it to your OP?

2017 NFL Rulebook | NFL Football Operations

2017 Rulebook

The link above is for the PDF download of the rulebook. Doing a search for the word "country," one finds that word does not appear in the whole of the document. Searching for the word "judged," one finds it four times and none of them is in the sentence you've indicated. Accordingly, I deem that the so-called rule you (your mother?) claims is in the rulebook is wholly fabricated.

Per the NFL rulebook:

1. It should be pointed out to players and coaches that we continue to be judged by the public in this area of respect for the flag and our country.

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Could be.... I'll mention it to her

"Could be" my ass. The sentence is not in the rulebook. That's not a matter of opinion. It does not exist in the document.

OT: Just a suggestion...you do with it whatever you want

I'll mention it to her

Seriously? You'll tell your mom!?! Have you reached the age of majority? It's, obviously, fine if you aren't, but I'd like to know whether I am talking to an adult.

I don't care and it's not a problem that your mother was mistaken; I don't know her and she's not the person with whom I'm here conversing. As far as our discussion goes, she is not the one at fault. You are. You are the person who failed to check the contextual and existential verity of what you'd heard from your mom.

Truly, the trick to being right and very hard to refute is this: exercise near perfect discursive and intellectual integrity, that is:

• Check the veracity of what you intend to say in public before you say it in public.
• Express in public the complete nature of your understanding about whatever it is you bother to say. This tactic takes less effort than does checking things. It merely requires one to use phrases, conjugations and constructions such as, but not limited to:
  • I haven't confirmed this, but I believe....
  • I don't know....
  • Perhaps it's so that...
  • Though I had rather "such and such," it appears that...

 

[gtopa1]

Your problem with the NFL re: the National Anthem is exactly the same as every dumbass rube's problem. You don't understand what the protest is about and you don't understand what the flag represents.

Saying "there are other ways to protest" is really stupid and fails to recognize the importanct role that protests play in our society.

Maybe, but you are also slapping in the face all those that fight/fought for our country and built it. Whether that is your intent or not

You're putting your own meaning into what they did, which had nothing to do with what you think it does. And I bet that if it had been some white hero like Tom Brady taking a knee, everyone would have said "Oh, how brave". H-Y-P-O-C-R-I-T-E.

What? What utter nonsense!! Despite the hypotheticals why would one accept ANYBODY not respecting the Flag and Anthem? So do tell; what exactly are they protesting about?

Greg

Google it, you wouldn't believe me anyways.

BTW, if anything, Kap disrespected the anthem (which was playing), not the flag. It wasn't a flag ceremony, it was the singing of the national anthem. Now you know.

O say can you see, by the dawn’s early light,
What so proudly we hail’d at the twilight’s last gleaming,
Whose broad stripes and bright stars through the perilous fight
O’er the ramparts we watch’d were so gallantly streaming?
And the rocket’s red glare, the bombs bursting in air,
Gave proof through the night that our flag was still there,
O say does that star-spangled banner yet wave
O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave?

You seem to have forgotten the MEANING of the song.

Greg