My proposal for dividing the country

Country 1: Southern California, Las Vegas, the California coast up through the Bay Area, Hawaii, western Oregon and western Washington

Country 2: New England, New York City, Long Island, Westchester, New Jersey, Philadelphia and far east Pennsylvania, Maryland, Delaware, DC, Northern Virginia, Detroit and Chicago

Country 3: The rest from Country 1 to Country 2 and Alaska

We divide the debt by population

We distribute military assets by population

Each of the three new Countries have a Constitutional convention which decides whether to adapt, modify or replace the Constitution.

There is a one year transition with no internal borders meaning you can move wherever you want on the division date. After that it's fine, you just need to follow the immigration laws of the country you are moving to.

And we go from there!

I'd let all the states keep their own borders. ie, not just part of a California, but all of Cali goes to the left. Any rightie who doesn't like it can move to one of the retard states. Any normal person living in one of the retard states can move to California or NY. It would soon even itself out. Also, no, debt is not done by population but by state. The red states carry more debt than the blue at the moment (perhaps with the exception of California)..
 
Like ending Obamacare, building a wall and enforcing our borders and electing a President who isn't a DC establishment hack, and those are all happening. Right now I agree with you, but the best way to ensure nothing ever goes anywhere is to stop talking about it. We need to keep the dream alive. Politics is just hate and division and it's getting worse. The right barely follow the Constitution and the left don't at all. We really should explore this option

It's an interesting idea...but I think I'd rather put the energy into promoting more political parties and weakening the hold the two big ones have on everything.

Your completely selling out to one of the two seems to be an odd way of accomplishing that

It's the only viably liberal choice in the Presidential election. Jill Stein sucks. I voted Mountain Party for my state governer.

I don't believe in not voting or voting for someone who opposes what I believe in.

If Hillary supports what you believe in then you're an institutional Democrat which again contradicts what you said.

No one believes in what I believe in. I voted for Johnson because he said he believed in what I believed in and that made him the best option even though I didn't believe him.

You sure aren't undoing the two parties by voting for them

Hillary, as a candidate, supported more of the positions I felt are important, than the other candidates. That doesn't make me an institutional Democrat. It only means there were no other acceptable candidates in a crummy election.
Hillary's butt was too big for her britches.

She did not respect the Constitution.

She especially did not respect the 2nd Amendment.
 
Country 1: Southern California, Las Vegas, the California coast up through the Bay Area, Hawaii, western Oregon and western Washington

Country 2: New England, New York City, Long Island, Westchester, New Jersey, Philadelphia and far east Pennsylvania, Maryland, Delaware, DC, Northern Virginia, Detroit and Chicago

Country 3: The rest from Country 1 to Country 2 and Alaska

We divide the debt by population

We distribute military assets by population

Each of the three new Countries have a Constitutional convention which decides whether to adapt, modify or replace the Constitution.

There is a one year transition with no internal borders meaning you can move wherever you want on the division date. After that it's fine, you just need to follow the immigration laws of the country you are moving to.

And we go from there!
Apparently one civil war wasn't enough to teach you that it is "one" nation, or war to ensure one nation.
 
Here's an intriguing one: This map shows the US really has 11 separate 'nations' with entirely different cultures

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I believe the Intermountain States Of America would have more in common with the South than any of the rest.

We just don't eat alligator meat.
 
It's an interesting idea...but I think I'd rather put the energy into promoting more political parties and weakening the hold the two big ones have on everything.

Your completely selling out to one of the two seems to be an odd way of accomplishing that

It's the only viably liberal choice in the Presidential election. Jill Stein sucks. I voted Mountain Party for my state governer.

I don't believe in not voting or voting for someone who opposes what I believe in.

If Hillary supports what you believe in then you're an institutional Democrat which again contradicts what you said.

No one believes in what I believe in. I voted for Johnson because he said he believed in what I believed in and that made him the best option even though I didn't believe him.

You sure aren't undoing the two parties by voting for them

Hillary, as a candidate, supported more of the positions I felt are important, than the other candidates. That doesn't make me an institutional Democrat. It only means there were no other acceptable candidates in a crummy election.
Hillary's butt was too big for her britches.

She did not respect the Constitution.

She especially did not respect the 2nd Amendment.

Again, it was a crummy election with crummy choices.
 
Country 1: Southern California, Las Vegas, the California coast up through the Bay Area, Hawaii, western Oregon and western Washington

Country 2: New England, New York City, Long Island, Westchester, New Jersey, Philadelphia and far east Pennsylvania, Maryland, Delaware, DC, Northern Virginia, Detroit and Chicago

Country 3: The rest from Country 1 to Country 2 and Alaska

We divide the debt by population

We distribute military assets by population

Each of the three new Countries have a Constitutional convention which decides whether to adapt, modify or replace the Constitution.

There is a one year transition with no internal borders meaning you can move wherever you want on the division date. After that it's fine, you just need to follow the immigration laws of the country you are moving to.

And we go from there!
How about you go from here?

If you don't like America, go to the country you like best.

Like Russia.
America has changed. You might want to go to a foreign country. The Czech Republic has little to offer in terms of welfare payments btw.
I'm not the one calling for secession, or splitting up.

I love America.

If you or kaz don't, leave. You won't be missed.
 
Country 1: Southern California, Las Vegas, the California coast up through the Bay Area, Hawaii, western Oregon and western Washington

Country 2: New England, New York City, Long Island, Westchester, New Jersey, Philadelphia and far east Pennsylvania, Maryland, Delaware, DC, Northern Virginia, Detroit and Chicago

Country 3: The rest from Country 1 to Country 2 and Alaska

We divide the debt by population

We distribute military assets by population

Each of the three new Countries have a Constitutional convention which decides whether to adapt, modify or replace the Constitution.

There is a one year transition with no internal borders meaning you can move wherever you want on the division date. After that it's fine, you just need to follow the immigration laws of the country you are moving to.

And we go from there!

You don't understand collectivists.

Only when the own everything is the game over.

There is no compromise

It is either world domination or complete destruction There is no in between
 
Country 1: Southern California, Las Vegas, the California coast up through the Bay Area, Hawaii, western Oregon and western Washington

Country 2: New England, New York City, Long Island, Westchester, New Jersey, Philadelphia and far east Pennsylvania, Maryland, Delaware, DC, Northern Virginia, Detroit and Chicago

Country 3: The rest from Country 1 to Country 2 and Alaska

We divide the debt by population

We distribute military assets by population

Each of the three new Countries have a Constitutional convention which decides whether to adapt, modify or replace the Constitution.

There is a one year transition with no internal borders meaning you can move wherever you want on the division date. After that it's fine, you just need to follow the immigration laws of the country you are moving to.

And we go from there!

you're kind of a moron.

but nice delusional insanity. :cuckoo:

California brought up leaving, I'm just supporting the left on this, I'm with you

Republicans have been talking about it for years.

Texas governor says secession possible

Anyone who wants to leave should be able to. Consent of the governed and all
 
If Hillary supports what you believe in then you're an institutional Democrat which again contradicts what you said.

No one believes in what I believe in. I voted for Johnson because he said he believed in what I believed in and that made him the best option even though I didn't believe him.

You sure aren't undoing the two parties by voting for them

Hillary, as a candidate, supported more of the positions I felt are important, than the other candidates. That doesn't make me an institutional Democrat. It only means there were no other acceptable candidates in a crummy election.

If you can say "I don't believe in not voting or voting for someone who opposes what I believe in" then vote for Hillary, but you're not an institutional Democrat, that makes no sense. Explain what you think the difference is

Out of Clinton's positions - more of them fit my views then opposed my views.
Out of the other candidates - far fewer fit.

How does that contradict that you are an institutional Democrat?

Also just FYI, I'm about to leave town for the weekend. Just saying when I drop off that's why

What is an "institutional democrat"?

I vote on positions and when there is a candidate that more aligns with those positions - I vote for them. It's not always democrat.

Like what? I've never seen you advocate anything but the Democrat position on an issue
 
Country 1: Southern California, Las Vegas, the California coast up through the Bay Area, Hawaii, western Oregon and western Washington

Country 2: New England, New York City, Long Island, Westchester, New Jersey, Philadelphia and far east Pennsylvania, Maryland, Delaware, DC, Northern Virginia, Detroit and Chicago

Country 3: The rest from Country 1 to Country 2 and Alaska

We divide the debt by population

We distribute military assets by population

Each of the three new Countries have a Constitutional convention which decides whether to adapt, modify or replace the Constitution.

There is a one year transition with no internal borders meaning you can move wherever you want on the division date. After that it's fine, you just need to follow the immigration laws of the country you are moving to.

And we go from there!

I'd let all the states keep their own borders. ie, not just part of a California, but all of Cali goes to the left. Any rightie who doesn't like it can move to one of the retard states. Any normal person living in one of the retard states can move to California or NY. It would soon even itself out. Also, no, debt is not done by population but by state. The red states carry more debt than the blue at the moment (perhaps with the exception of California)..

It's hilarious how you write post after post like this that says nothing but you are a Democrat then you say what, no, you're not a Democrat
 
Country 1: Southern California, Las Vegas, the California coast up through the Bay Area, Hawaii, western Oregon and western Washington

Country 2: New England, New York City, Long Island, Westchester, New Jersey, Philadelphia and far east Pennsylvania, Maryland, Delaware, DC, Northern Virginia, Detroit and Chicago

Country 3: The rest from Country 1 to Country 2 and Alaska

We divide the debt by population

We distribute military assets by population

Each of the three new Countries have a Constitutional convention which decides whether to adapt, modify or replace the Constitution.

There is a one year transition with no internal borders meaning you can move wherever you want on the division date. After that it's fine, you just need to follow the immigration laws of the country you are moving to.

And we go from there!
Apparently one civil war wasn't enough to teach you that it is "one" nation, or war to ensure one nation.

Don't give a shit about consent of the governed. Of course you don't, socialists never do. You want to rule, not lead
 
I disagree, and here is why. I support the right of everyone to worship in what ever faith they choose without coercion. I also support the constitution we have which guarantees it, but keeps it separate from governance. I support those checks and balances and oppose any religious involvement in our laws or government.

Yet you vote for people who only think Christianity and Judaism are separate from government and they vastly overdo that separation

I'm not sure where you get that idea. The people I have voted for think all religion should be seperate from government. I can't think of one policy or statement that indicates otherwise.

You actually seriously don't see any difference between how the left treats religions? You get harder and harder for me to take seriously

You're constantly telling me what I think instead of listening to what I say.

Do I think the left goes nutzo on Christians? I think their zeal to divorce christian religion from the public sphere is an example of their own brand of intolerance. All the other religions are ok, but not Christianity. They go to far and it gets ridiculous (such as banning Christmas displays and openly insulting Christians).

But that doesn't mean they tolerate the incursion of ANY religion into the government whether it's biblical or tora or sharia. The right on the other hand seems to think that only Islam needs to be specifically banned from the public sphere and, in some cases, even the private one. Our constitution protects us from both religious excess and religious persecutin - we should trust it to continue to do so while allowing for freedom of religion and not give in to fear.

You certainly made it sound like you don't see how they are treated any differently. And I see nothing the left does to limit Muslims regarding government, you have some sort of separation in your mind that isn't coming out in practice.

And you're full of shit, I don't see anyone on the right pushing government religion, give examples.

I'll give you one on the left. The left is silent to liberal judges referencing Shiria law in rulings. A simple Google query will show you that

Note after making the accusation, you couldn't back it up
 
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It's hilarious how you write post after post like this that says nothing but you are a Democrat then you say what, no, you're not a Democrat
It's hilarious how you think I'm a Dem when no such party exists where I come from.

Why does your not being American prevent you from being a Democrat? You not only agree with them on every issue, but you log into an account in the United States to get instructions what to think from the Democrat party, which you obligingly think and defend their cause. And you defend the Democrat people and party as well, not just their ideas.

You are purely a Democrat. The ones here don't think for themselves either. You're a Democrat in every way
 
Why does your not being American prevent you from being a Democrat? You not only agree with them on every issue, but you log into an account in the United States to get instructions what to think from the Democrat party, which you obligingly think and defend their cause. And you defend the Democrat people and party as well, not just their ideas.

You are purely a Democrat. The ones here don't think for themselves either. You're a Democrat in every way

There are so many things I disagree with when it comes to the Dems. The problem with you Yanks is you think (generally) in two trains of thought. Dem and GoP. We have 8 different political parties in our Parliament all with different POV on different things. I find myself agreeing or disagreeing with almost all of them at some stage.
 
There are so many things I disagree with when it comes to the Dems

Yet there are never any you can think of

Affirmative action and abortion are two that I have mentioned on here frequently. Maybe not to you, but I have done so.

OK, well, assuming you mean you're against them both, that is more a Republican position. But they are also two common ones that Democrats will respond with as you did to "How are you not a Democrat" then never bring up in a debate on those subjects. Are you Catholic?
 

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