My Take: Uninformed juries produce incorrect outcomes

[jknowgood]

Rittenhouse did not get the benefit of restorative justice. Some things to consider.

My Take: Uninformed juries produce incorrect outcomes

Restorative processes could significantly help disrupt these cycles. Interrupting dishonest narratives would be a good start.

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Excerpt:

I was a troubled teen. I remember the day I was called to my high school’s administrative office to receive a call. He gave me advice I have never forgotten. He told me that he had been notified that the police were going to arrest me and that I needed to tell the truth even if it was going to get me in trouble.

I was in my early 30s when I reflected upon this wisdom when performing part of his eulogy. It was horrible legal advice, but I know it saved my soul.

The mistakes I made as a teenager have informed my whole life’s purpose. My doctoral dissertation, on forgiveness, would not have been written if I had not accounted for my own moral failings.

Kyle Rittenhouse represents a character in the larger story of the divided American society. I follow these events and the attitudes and opinions surrounding them as an expert researcher focused on healing divided societies. There are many bifurcations, and the casualties that are not being discussed are healing and truth. His acquittal is a springboard, and the public is now at increased threat.

No criminal trial is motivated by healing or truth. Trials are about fact finding and fact exclusion. The truth, for example, that after pleading not guilty earlier this year Kyle posed with Proud Boys while flashing a white power hand sign and T-shirt that said “Free as F---,” was not allowed in trial. Rittenhouse remains “Free as F---,” unpermitted facts notwithstanding.

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The boy is going to become a multimillionaire because of liars like yourself.

 

[jknowgood]

For taking a weapon to a protest, breaking curfew, defying the police and killing two people??????? Are you sure? Why was he drinking with Proud Boys after he made bail? Look at the big picture.

 

[surada]

The boy is going to become a multimillionaire because of liars like yourself.

Rittenhouse is doomed .. Now he's turned on Trump friend and attorney who is a QAnon follower and claims Deep State is Republican.

The boy was denied restorative justice.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

For taking a weapon to a protest, breaking curfew, defying the police and killing two people??????? Are you sure? Why was he drinking with Proud Boys after he made bail? Look at the big picture.

Self defense. Trying to assuage your feelings and emotions by making this about something else ain't gonna work.

 

[jknowgood]

Rittenhouse is doomed .. Now he's turned on Trump friend and attorney who is a QAnon follower and claims Deep State is Republican.

The boy was denied restorative justice.

The boy defended himself against a group of people wanting to kill him. The world is better off without the two people he killed.

 

[blackhawk]

The prosecution presented it's case the defense it's case the jury made it's decision rather or not we all like the decisions they make is irrelevant.

 

[surada]

So you think Rittenhouse guilty on all charges. You’ll have to defend that not with a biased article, but with logic. Got any?

I didn't say he was guilty on all charges. I think he should have been charged with manslaughter because of his contribution to the deaths.

This kid is really pumped up and dreaming of his millions... Its a recipe for disaster.

 

[surada]

You're correct ... Kyle Rittenhouse acted in self-defense.

Kyle was a vigilante.

 

[DBA]

Did you read the whole article?

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This process focuses on justifying punishment for offenders who have been convicted beyond reasonable doubt, but uninformed juries cannot make informed decisions.

This is not justice, and it does nothing for healing. The families of the victims, the communities, Kyle Rittenhouse, and so on … nothing about the process is intended to help them heal or find closure. Punitive justice serves a role, but there are other options. The verdict only affirms that the US remains committed to its long history of vigilantism, an ugly bloodlust embedded throughout the American mythology promoting white supremacy.

The lamentations of another fully indoctrinated lefty that fancies himself as englighted because he decided to stay in school and get a useless doctorate instead of working. Yeah, sorry, not impressed. I am too intelligent and curious to fall for this kind of stuff.

A jury found him innocent because what he did was CLEARLY self-defense. The fact that he was or was not a white supremicist has absolutely no bearing on that fact. Yes, even a white supremicist has a right to self defense. The fact that he shot 3 white guys make this guy’s argument that much more inane. Hopefully his doctoral thesis was more enlightening that this hit piece, but then again, he must tow the party line if he wants to succeed in academia.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Did you read the whole article?

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This process focuses on justifying punishment for offenders who have been convicted beyond reasonable doubt, but uninformed juries cannot make informed decisions.

This is not justice, and it does nothing for healing. The families of the victims, the communities, Kyle Rittenhouse, and so on … nothing about the process is intended to help them heal or find closure. Punitive justice serves a role, but there are other options. The verdict only affirms that the US remains committed to its long history of vigilantism, an ugly bloodlust embedded throughout the American mythology promoting white supremacy.

Show me the man, I'll show you the crime

 

[DBA]

Kyle was a vigilante.

Weird, because I don’t recall seeing him Kyle pursuing nor punishing anyone for burning buildings or looting. He only did so when he was personally attacked and was forced to defend himself.

Maybe you need to look up the definition of vigilante.

 

[surada]

Kyle was a vigilante.

Rittenhouse wasn't deputized. He isn't a police officer. .. What was his role or his authority?

 

[fncceo]

Maybe you need to look up the definition of vigilante.

 

[DBA]

Rittenhouse wasn't deputized. He isn't a police officer. .. What was his role or his authority?

He was a vigalante to the same extent that you are when you agree to watch a guys laptop while he runs to the restroom in a coffee shop. He said he was there to protect businesses and help people. To that extent, he was a “vigilante”, however, he didn’t pursue nor attempt to punish anyone.

 

[Care4all]

For taking a weapon to a protest, breaking curfew, defying the police and killing two people??????? Are you sure? Why was he drinking with Proud Boys after he made bail? Look at the big picture.

Not that I am trying to make excuses for this kid....

But I doubt Kyle reached out to them, same with Kyle and Tucker Carlson documentary on him....

There is no doubt the political whore Carlson and Proudboys, pulled the 17/18 yr old in to their political arena, machinations and goals.... And used him.....still using him....when Kyle is no longer useful to them, he'll be dropped like a hot potato....is my bet....

 

[Hang on Sloopy]

Rittenhouse did not get the benefit of restorative justice. Some things to consider.

My Take: Uninformed juries produce incorrect outcomes

Restorative processes could significantly help disrupt these cycles. Interrupting dishonest narratives would be a good start.

news.yahoo.com

Excerpt:

I was a troubled teen. I remember the day I was called to my high school’s administrative office to receive a call. He gave me advice I have never forgotten. He told me that he had been notified that the police were going to arrest me and that I needed to tell the truth even if it was going to get me in trouble.

I was in my early 30s when I reflected upon this wisdom when performing part of his eulogy. It was horrible legal advice, but I know it saved my soul.

The mistakes I made as a teenager have informed my whole life’s purpose. My doctoral dissertation, on forgiveness, would not have been written if I had not accounted for my own moral failings.

Kyle Rittenhouse represents a character in the larger story of the divided American society. I follow these events and the attitudes and opinions surrounding them as an expert researcher focused on healing divided societies. There are many bifurcations, and the casualties that are not being discussed are healing and truth. His acquittal is a springboard, and the public is now at increased threat.

No criminal trial is motivated by healing or truth. Trials are about fact finding and fact exclusion. The truth, for example, that after pleading not guilty earlier this year Kyle posed with Proud Boys while flashing a white power hand sign and T-shirt that said “Free as F---,” was not allowed in trial. Rittenhouse remains “Free as F---,” unpermitted facts notwithstanding.

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I don't trust juries whatsoever

To have mostly common dumb stupid people judge me? No way

The common man cannot be relied on for such things

 

[gipper]

I didn't say he was guilty on all charges. I think he should have been charged with manslaughter because of his contribution to the deaths.

This kid is really pumped up and dreaming of his millions... Its a recipe for disaster.

The jury found his shooting to be in self defense. The videos indicated this. So, I accept it. You should too.

Regarding your second point, I suspect you’re allowing corporate media to shape your opinion. It’s clear the corporate media and the D Party want him imprisoned. So, you shouldn’t give much credibility to their pronouncements. They’re biased.

 

[DBA]

I don't trust juries whatsoever

To have mostly common dumb stupid people judge me? No way

Better than having a judge prosecute you simply based on ideology, particularly if they are a lefty who are much more likely to let their ideology override any facts.

 

[Hang on Sloopy]

Better than having a judge prosecute you simply based on ideology, particularly if they are a lefty who are much more likely to let their ideology override any facts.

Not against juries But they must meet the qualifications

Superior credit

Able to pass a strict civics and English comprehension tests

No criminal or civil suits

Preferably degreed

 

[Hang on Sloopy]

The jury found his shooting to be in self defense. The videos indicated this. So, I accept it. You should too.

Regarding your second point, I suspect you’re allowing corporate media to shape your opinion. It’s clear the corporate media and the D Party want him imprisoned. So, you shouldn’t give much credibility to their pronouncements. They’re biased.

These trials should be tried 1000 miles away with jurors who live 1000 miles away

That trial was a bullshit circus