Myths and facts about Jerusalem and Temple Mount

[Roudy]

1) The Islamic claim to the Temple Mount is very recent - Jerusalem's role as "The Third Holiest Site in Islam" in mainstream Islamic writings does not precede the 1930s. It was created by the grand mufti Haj Amin al-Husseini.

This is also a lie.

Later medieval scripts, as well as modern-day political tracts, tend to classify al-Aqsa Mosque as the third holiest site in Islam.[71] For example, Sahih Bukhari quotes Abu al-Dardaa as saying: "the Prophet of God Muhammad said a prayer in the Sacred Mosque (in Mecca) is worth 100,000 prayers; a prayer in my mosque (in Medina) is worth 10,000 prayers; and a prayer in al-Aqsa Mosque is worth 1,000 prayers", more than in any other mosque. .

Al-Aqsa Mosque - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Anyone see any reference to the 1930's there?

No, it was from the Medieval period....Roudy must have 'forgotten' that.

And "Al Aqsa" means "over there" which could be anywhere, and according to the facts and based on the Koran itself, it could not have been in Jerusalem.

Phew, what an idiot. I feel like I'm talking to a 10 year old, no, make it 7. LOL

 

[Roudy]

Roudy -

Perhaps go back and own up to a couple of the lies you posted, correct them, and move on.

Try to avoid repeating them tomorrow.

Changing the topic isn't likely to fool anyone.

No lie was posted. I posted an article, which is based on historical facts, you have yet to provide a shred of evidence that anything that is claimed is a "lie", other than provide ample proof of your own ignorance and bigotry.

 

[irosie91]

1) The Islamic claim to the Temple Mount is very recent - Jerusalem's role as "The Third Holiest Site in Islam" in mainstream Islamic writings does not precede the 1930s. It was created by the grand mufti Haj Amin al-Husseini.

This is also a lie.

Later medieval scripts, as well as modern-day political tracts, tend to classify al-Aqsa Mosque as the third holiest site in Islam.[71] For example, Sahih Bukhari quotes Abu al-Dardaa as saying: "the Prophet of God Muhammad said a prayer in the Sacred Mosque (in Mecca) is worth 100,000 prayers; a prayer in my mosque (in Medina) is worth 10,000 prayers; and a prayer in al-Aqsa Mosque is worth 1,000 prayers", more than in any other mosque. .

Al-Aqsa Mosque - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Anyone see any reference to the 1930's there?

No, it was from the Medieval period....Roudy must have 'forgotten' that.

What a joke you are SAIGON Medieval is when the muslims and christians were
both pulling at Jerusalem -------nothng new-----ALL KINDS OF STUFF BECOMES
SPECIAL AND EXTRA SPECIAL HOLY for muslims when they want it The BABRY MOSQUE BECAME EXTRA SPECIAL HOLY in ayodhiya a few years ago too.

Wherever muslims go and establish DAR AL ISLAM ----there are HOLY EXTRA SPECIAL
place more often than not -----TAKE OVERS of other religions.
It is another fact of history that both jerusalem and the al aqsa mosque
---fell into disuse until the late 1800s when jews started showing
up as a STARTLING increasing presence in Jerusalem Try to be realistic
saigon.
Now I understand-----you are touting the islamic revisionist history.
WHY NOT GO FOR BROKE and tell us that hebrew is a dialect of arabic '

 

[Saigon]

And "Al Aqsa" means "over there" which could be anywhere, and according to the facts and based on the Koran itself, it could not have been in Jerusalem.

Dude - it is in Jerusalem. Look on a map.....

Honestly, man, could you be any weaker a poster?

Try and maintain a little dignity.

 

[Saigon]

Roudy -

I have pointed out lies in posts #36, 37 and 40.

An honest poster would acknolwedge and correct them.

You won't.

 

[Saigon]

Rosie -

Try and focus.

Roudy lied and told you that Al Aqsa only became the third holiest shrine in Islam in the 1930's.

Actually, it was named as 3rd holiest shrine in Medieval times.

Roudy lied to you, and again you seem to have been taken in by it.

 

[Lipush]

Let all 3 religions pray in the Temple mount. Without violence.

case closed.

 

[irosie91]

Which is exactly why Jerusalem could not have been "holy" to Muslims. There were no Mosques in Jerusalem. Ha ha ha. What a fuckin' moron.

So Mecca is not holy to Muslims?

Beause there were no mosques there in 635 either.

Jesus wept....

youe ANSWER makse no sense SAIGON---the islamic claim regarding the
midnite horse ride of Muhummad is that he FLEW TO A MOSQUE ---the FURTHEST
MOSQUE ------which did not exist -----it is just a myth later thrown into
tne koran but recounting an event that was supposed to have taken
place during the life time of Muhummad OK??? Lets be polite and
call it a kind of weird parable type thing. Things get messed up when a
book is written about a person's life -----100 years later---especially if
there is no documentary evidence upon which to rely. Mecca is holy
to muslims because it was a holy city to the pre islamic arabians so it
was ADAPTED to the new religion and the founder of islam MUHUMMAD
declared it so during his life-time
The JERUSALEM claim is an after-thought. What you are doing SAIGON--
is developing a system by which ANY group of people can make
FLAMBOYANT world wide claims to "HOLY PLACES" retrospectively regardless
of real history----or even LONG TIME ACCEPTED HISTORY. I have no doubt
that I can develope a reason to make LAHORE PAKISTAN ---a
HOLY JEWISH CITY afterall----there is an old synagogue buried there---
its a lot more jewish than jerusalem was "arab" in 630 AD

Mecca----is not "HOLY" to any EXTANT religion other than 'islam'
so there is no dispute. When the muslims manage to kill all the
jews----they can have jerusalem-----they got rid of all the pre islamic
whatever was their religion in arabia----so they get MECCA all to
themselves In fact they can have medina too----just due to
lack of general interest in that hell hole

 

[irosie91]

Let all 3 religions pray in the Temple mount. Without violence.

case closed.

you are nice Lipush---but unrealistic

 

[Roudy]

Rosie -

Try and focus.

Roudy lied and told you that Al Aqsa only became the third holiest shrine in Islam in the 1930's.

Actually, it was named as 3rd holiest shrine in Medieval times.

Roudy lied to you, and again you seem to have been taken in by it.

Nah, you're just making shit up as you go along. First you claimed Arabs who are considered from Arabia lived in Jerusalem in the "Stone Ages". Where's your proof of that bald faced lie?

Meanwhile, here's some free education:

1922: Amin Al-Husseini implements restoration of Dome of the Rock and Al Aqsa Mosque in Jerusalem. He has the Dome gold-plated for the first time. Thereafter, Jerusalem takes on more importance as Holy Muslim site in the eyes of the Arab World.

Al-Aqsa Mosque (Arabic:المسجد الاقصى al-Masjid al-Aqsa, IPA: [ʔælˈmæsʒɪd ælˈʔɑqsˤɑ] ( listen), "the Farthest Mosque")

Masjid al-Aqsa translates from Arabic into English as "the farthest mosque." The name refers to a chapter of the Qur'an called "The Night Journey" in which it is said that Muhammad traveled from Mecca to "the farthest mosque,"

Initially, Rashidun and Umayyad-era scholars were in disagreement about the location of the "remotest sanctuary" with some arguing it was actually located near Mecca.

Al-Aqsa Mosque - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Roudy]

Let all 3 religions pray in the Temple mount. Without violence.

case closed.

Easier said than done. LOL

 

[Saigon]

Roudy -

So thus far you have been caught in at least three obvious lies - possubly more.

Why not show a liitle dignity and admit those lies, rather than just repeat them again tomorrow?

Start by admitting that admitting that the idea of Al Aqsa being the 3rd holiest shrine in Islam dates vack to Medieval times - not 1930, as you claimed.

Just be honest.

 

[Roudy]

Roudy -

I have pointed out lies in posts #36, 37 and 40.

An honest poster would acknolwedge and correct them.

You won't.

Pay close attention now, idiot. This is going to require all of your concentration. According to the Koran, Mohammad dies and his soul ascends to heaven from the "farthest mosque", since there were NO MOSQUES, I repeat, NO MOSQUES in Jerusalem at the time, his soul could not have ascended from a "mosque" in Jerusalem. Logic 101. Therefore, the whole claim for Jerusalem being holy to Muslims is BASELESS. Comprende?

Now, study hard I will quiz you on this tomorrow.

 

[Saigon]

Roudy -

You have been caught lying. Please address the lies. Shall I post them again for you?

 

[irosie91]

Roudy I think saigon is on a MISSION to prove
that PALESTINE IS MUSLIM LAND I understand
his approach because even though I knew that muslims
see ALL OF THE MIDDLE EAST AS "MUSLIM LAND"
I was hit with the SOPHISTRY of THE MOGHUL
EMPIRE a lot harder than the sophistry of
MUSLIM PALESTINE ---early in life. It is even more
tenuous but pakistanis and Indian muslims
argue with just as much fervor and nonsensical
"logic" as to why MUSLIMS OWN THE INDIAN
SUBCONTINENT as Saigon uses for "ARAB"
ownership of palestine Nigerian muslims also
OWN nigeria I do not know if saigon is
muslim-----but he is playing the DAR AL ISLAM
card

 

[Roudy]

Roudy -

You have been caught lying. Please address the lies. Shall I post them again for you?

Can you show us how "Arabs have been living in Jerusalem since the Stone Ages?" Let's start with that one, first. This is very interesting. Ha ha ha!

 

[Roudy]

Roudy I think saigon is on a MISSION to prove
that PALESTINE IS MUSLIM LAND I understand
his approach because even though I knew that muslims
see ALL OF THE MIDDLE EAST AS "MUSLIM LAND"
I was hit with the SOPHISTRY of THE MOGHUL
EMPIRE a lot harder than the sophistry of
MUSLIM PALESTINE ---early in life. It is even more
tenuous but pakistanis and Indian muslims
argue with just as much fervor and nonsensical
"logic" as to why MUSLIMS OWN THE INDIAN
SUBCONTINENT as Saigon uses for "ARAB"
ownership of palestine Nigerian muslims also
OWN nigeria I do not know if saigon is
muslim-----but he is playing the DAR AL ISLAM
card

That is true irose. They approach it from various roads, but they all lead to the same crap. Saigoon is like a circus clown that repeats Nazi propaganda. His claim that Jews trying to save themselves from the Nazi gas chambers as "collaboration" is a perfect example.

 

[irosie91]

all of Saigon's stuff does show up in the USA nazi literature ---he could
be picking it up at gun shows or when he seeks out nazi memorablia.
I read nazi literature LONG LONG ago------and the stuff is old-----it
has been going on for a LONG LONG TIM.

Nothing can refute it-----I did find stuff in the dead sea scrolls---
to refute some nazi arguements-----but the answer was easy----
since the dead sea scrolls were brought to light when they were
in the hands of JOOOOOS the answer was simple-----the
JOOOOS FORGED AND ALTERED STUFF

as to saigon going to Israel yeah so? do did Eichmann---that is pre
1948 Israel nazis are attracted to jews

 

[Saigon]

It amazes me why Roudy posts lies here everday, gets caught, and then just carries on as if nothing ever happened.

It does make me wonder if the stupidity and dishonesty are deliberate.....what would that mean, I wonder?

 

[Lipush]

Let all 3 religions pray in the Temple mount. Without violence.

case closed.

you are nice Lipush---but unrealistic

I know its all wishful thinking, but I believe that's the right way.

All monotheistic religions believe they are the ones to cherish the temple mount most, and I believe that we waste so much energy and blood on bad bahaviour in the place, no matter who does it. It's such a waste, and if there is a possibility to put a red line and decide that all behave nicely or ALL hooligans thrown out into a tiny cell, believe me, in matter of 1 month all visitors will learn to behave and respect one another.