Myths and facts about Jerusalem and Temple Mount

[Roudy]

Palestinian Christians and Muslims have to get permits from the Israeli government to visit holy sites. Yet Lipush makes it sound as if Palestinians prevent Israelis from going to their holy sites.

Nah, that's just made up Shiite.

 

[Jroc]

Palestinian Christians and Muslims have to get permits from the Israeli government to visit holy sites. Yet Lipush makes it sound as if Palestinians prevent Israelis from going to their holy sites.

The muslims spread the hate, there can't be any peace when government sponsored television ect.. Spread hate. Don't bother to post some stupid video of individule Jews, the Israeli government doesn't push hatred of muslims. This is why there must be an acceptance of Israel's right to exist as a Jewish state and stopping the propaganda, the hatred, the brainwashing of children, which is not only accepted by the "Palestinian" authorities, it is pushed by them.

 

[BecauseIKnow]

Palestinian Christians and Muslims have to get permits from the Israeli government to visit holy sites. Yet Lipush makes it sound as if Palestinians prevent Israelis from going to their holy sites.

Nah, that's just made up Shiite.

WEST BANK: Palestinian Christians denied access to holy places in Jerusalem during Easter - latimes.com


Since Israel cut off East Jerusalem from the rest of the occupied Palestinian territories in the early 1990s, Palestinian residents of the West Bank and Gaza Strip have been required to get Israeli army permission before they can enter Jerusalem.



These permits do not come easily. They are usually issued to sick people trying to get treatment in Jerusalem or Israeli hospitals, or to businesspeople. Often they are given to workers because Israel can use the cheap West Bank and Gaza labor force. But for people who want to visit family members living in East Jerusalem or take a tour of the Old City or pray at their holy sites, permits become a scarcity.

Really, that's made up 'Shiite'?

I know people in the West Bank personally. Even israelis know this.

 

[Roudy]

Do you actually believe your lies? I've been to several Islamic countries, Egypt for example, has hundreds if not thousands of churches just in Cairo alone. Which I saw in person. Just because you say something doesn't mean it's true.

Did you see in person how Egyptians keep persecuting Christians, bombing their churches, and finding different ways to massacre them? Talk about ethnic cleansing...how does a majority Christian country like Egypt become Muslim majority? All those Christians willingly converted? Ha ha ha.

I know a few Egyptian Copts myself, not ONE of them has anything good to say about the treatment they received at the hands of the Muslims. Now why is that Abdul?

 

[Roudy]

Palestinian Christians and Muslims have to get permits from the Israeli government to visit holy sites. Yet Lipush makes it sound as if Palestinians prevent Israelis from going to their holy sites.

The muslims spread the hate, there can't be any peace when government sponsored television ect.. Spread hate. Don't bother to post some stupid video of individule Jews, the Israeli government doesn't push hatred of muslims. This is why there must be an acceptance of Israel's right to exist as a Jewish state and stopping the propaganda, the hatred, the brainwashing of children, which is not only accepted by the "Palestinian" authorities, it is pushed by them.

Exactly, this conflict has never been about land and always been about Muslim hatred and intolerance.

 

[Saigon]

Roudy -

Now why is that Abdul?

Probably because you are making it up.

You've been caught in three quite significant lies already on this thread - why stop at three?

 

[Saigon]

Exactly, this conflict has never been about land and always been about Muslim hatred and intolerance.

What about your own hatred and intolerance?

Why is that never an issue for you, even on a thread where you've been caught lying through your teeth?

 

[Roudy]

Palestinian Christians and Muslims have to get permits from the Israeli government to visit holy sites. Yet Lipush makes it sound as if Palestinians prevent Israelis from going to their holy sites.

Nah, that's just made up Shiite.

WEST BANK: Palestinian Christians denied access to holy places in Jerusalem during Easter - latimes.com


Since Israel cut off East Jerusalem from the rest of the occupied Palestinian territories in the early 1990s, Palestinian residents of the West Bank and Gaza Strip have been required to get Israeli army permission before they can enter Jerusalem.



These permits do not come easily. They are usually issued to sick people trying to get treatment in Jerusalem or Israeli hospitals, or to businesspeople. Often they are given to workers because Israel can use the cheap West Bank and Gaza labor force. But for people who want to visit family members living in East Jerusalem or take a tour of the Old City or pray at their holy sites, permits become a scarcity.

Really, that's made up 'Shiite'?

I know people in the West Bank personally. Even israelis know this.

Well OF COURSE that goes for those for those that live in the West Bank. Do you really think Israelis are going to welcome anymore suicide bombing animals with open arms? But for those Arab Muslims and Christians that live inside Israel, or are visiting from abroad, no permit is required.

 

[BecauseIKnow]

Exactly, this conflict has never been about land and always been about Muslim hatred and intolerance.

What about your own hatred and intolerance?

Why is that never an issue for you, even on a thread where you've been caught lying through your teeth?

I just caught him in a lie. He claimed Palestinians don't need permits to visit holy sites.

 

[Saigon]

Roudy's Lies #1 in an endless series

The Islamic claim to the Temple Mount is very recent - Jerusalem's role as "The Third Holiest Site in Islam" in mainstream Islamic writings does not precede the 1930s.

Actually, the claim dates back to the Medieval period.

In terms of the virtue of a religious site, and the value of prayers performed within it, Muslims believe that the Al-Aqsa Mosque in Jerusalem is the third most virtuous mosque based on a Hadith narrated by the companion Abu Darda. Abu Darda records him saying "the Prophet of Allah Muhammad said a prayer in the Sacred Mosque (in Mecca) is worth 100,000 prayers; a prayer in my mosque (in Medina) is worth 1,000 prayers; and a prayer in al-Masjid al-Aqsa sanctuary (in Jerusalem) is worth 500 prayers more than in any other mosque.

Holiest sites in Sunni Islam - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[BecauseIKnow]

Nah, that's just made up Shiite.

WEST BANK: Palestinian Christians denied access to holy places in Jerusalem during Easter - latimes.com


Since Israel cut off East Jerusalem from the rest of the occupied Palestinian territories in the early 1990s, Palestinian residents of the West Bank and Gaza Strip have been required to get Israeli army permission before they can enter Jerusalem.



These permits do not come easily. They are usually issued to sick people trying to get treatment in Jerusalem or Israeli hospitals, or to businesspeople. Often they are given to workers because Israel can use the cheap West Bank and Gaza labor force. But for people who want to visit family members living in East Jerusalem or take a tour of the Old City or pray at their holy sites, permits become a scarcity.

Really, that's made up 'Shiite'?

I know people in the West Bank personally. Even israelis know this.

Well OF COURSE that goes for those for those that live in the West Bank. Do you really think Israelis are going to welcome anymore suicide bombing animals with open arms? But for those Arab Muslims and Christians that live inside Israel, or are visiting from abroad, no permit is required.

Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha! Man you're excuses are funny after you are caught in yet another lie!

 

[Roudy]

Roudy -

Now why is that Abdul?

Probably because you are making it up.

You've been caught in three quite significant lies already on this thread - why stop at three?

Ya okay, whatever.

Tell us again how Arabs go back to Jerusalem to the Stone Ages? Ha ha ha.

 

[Saigon]

Tell us again how Arabs go back to Jerusalem to the Stone Ages? Ha ha ha.

I can explain this very easily - but we both know you are not listening, and will tell the same lies again tomorrow. It's what you do, as we see on this thread.

btw, It's the BRONZE age - not the stone ages.

For anyone who is interested in this topic -

'Ceramic evidence indicates occupation of the City of David, within present-day Jerusalem, as far back as the Copper Age (c. 4th millennium BCE),[1][58] with evidence of a permanent settlement during the early Bronze Age (c. 3000–2800 BCE).[58][59] The Execration Texts (c. 19th century BCE), which refer to a city called rwš3lmm, variously transcribed as Rušalimum/Urušalimum/Rôsh-ramen[58][60] and the Amarna letters (c. 14th century BCE) may be the earliest mention of the city.[61][62] Some archaeologists, including Kathleen Kenyon, believe Jerusalem was founded by Northwest Semitic people with organized settlements from around 2600 BCE. Nadav Na'aman argues its fortification as the centre of a kingdom dates to around the 18th century BCE.[63] The first settlement lay on the Ophel ridge.[64] The biblical account first mentions Jerusalem ("Salem") as ruled by Melchizedek, an ally of Abraham.

In the late Bronze Age Jerusalem was the capital of an Egyptian vassal city-state, a modest settlement governing a few outlying villages and pastoral areas, with a small Egyptian garrison and ruled by appointees such as king Abdi-Heba,[66] At the time of Seti I and Ramesses II, major construction took place as prosperity increased...'

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerusalem

As most people know, the Ancient Egyptians were the forefathers of Egyptian Arabs - just as the people living in Jerusalem were the forefathers of today's Palestinians. Genetic testing has established this quite clearly. While the labels used for people has changed over the centuries, there is a clear and definite genetic link between the Palestinians of 2013 and the Bronze Age inhabitants of the land they live on.

 

[Saigon]

Roudy's Lies #2

it can be seen that significant Islamic interest in the Temple Mount does not precede the Six-Day War in 1967.

The Temple Mount, known in Hebrew as Har haBáyith and in Arabic (and in Islam) as the Haram Ash-Sharif , is one of the most important religious sites in the Old City of Jerusalem. It has been used as a religious site for thousands of years. At least four religions are known to have used the Temple Mount: Judaism, Christianity, Roman paganism, and Islam.

Among Sunni Muslims, the Mount is widely considered to be the third holiest site in Islam. Revered as the Noble Sanctuary (Bait-ul-Muqaddas) and the location of Muhammad's journey to Jerusalem and ascent to heaven, the site is also associated with Jewish biblical prophets who are also venerated in Islam. After the Muslim conquest of Jerusalem in 637 CE, Umayyad Caliphs commissioned the construction of the al-Aqsa Mosque and Dome of the Rock on the site. The Dome was completed in 692 CE, making it one of the oldest extant Islamic structures in the world, after the Kaabah. The Al Aqsa Mosque rests on the far southern side of the Mount, facing Mecca. The Dome of the Rock currently sits in the middle, occupying or close to the area where the Bible mandates the Holy Temple be rebuilt.

Temple Mount - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So according to Roudy the site was not of any interest to Muslims - despite the fact it is the point from which Muslims believe Mohammed ascended to heaven.

Likely?

I think not.

 

[Roudy]

Roudy's Lies #1 in an endless series

The Islamic claim to the Temple Mount is very recent - Jerusalem's role as "The Third Holiest Site in Islam" in mainstream Islamic writings does not precede the 1930s.

Actually, the claim dates back to the Medieval period.

In terms of the virtue of a religious site, and the value of prayers performed within it, Muslims believe that the Al-Aqsa Mosque in Jerusalem is the third most virtuous mosque based on a Hadith narrated by the companion Abu Darda. Abu Darda records him saying "the Prophet of Allah Muhammad said a prayer in the Sacred Mosque (in Mecca) is worth 100,000 prayers; a prayer in my mosque (in Medina) is worth 1,000 prayers; and a prayer in al-Masjid al-Aqsa sanctuary (in Jerusalem) is worth 500 prayers more than in any other mosque.

Holiest sites in Sunni Islam - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

What are you, dumb as a doorknob? Or you just can't read. I posted this before many times. It wasn't MAINSTREAM Islamic belief that Jerusalem was the location of Al Aqsa since the word Al Aqsa simply means over there, and there were NO MOSQUES IN JERUSALEM for Mohammad's soul to ascend from, at the time of his death, which it clearly so in the Koran. Therefore it's location being in Jerusalem has been debated back and forth by many Islamic scholars and historians, who believed the location of the Al Aqsa was Mecca, which DID HAVE MOSQUES.

The Nazi Arab Mufti of Jerusalem, as an Arab nationalist wanted to bring the attention back to Jerusalem and through a reconstruction project which he painted the Dome golden. Since then has the mosque become part of MAINSTREAM Islamic belief.

I bet you the fucking idiot is not going to get it again.

 

[Saigon]

Roudy -

So you contention is that in the Koran it claims that Mohammed ascended to heaven from a mosque, despite the fact that no mosques existed prior to his death?

Interesting.

Hilarious, but interesting.

Al Aqsa does not mean "over there", by the way, it means "the farthest mosque".

Masjid al-Aqsa translates from Arabic into English as "the farthest mosque." The name refers to a chapter of the Qur'an called "The Night Journey" in which it is said that Muhammad traveled from Mecca to "the farthest mosque," and then up to Heaven on a heavenly creature called al-Buraq al-Sharif.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Aqsa_Mosque

You will now claim to have known this.

 

[Roudy]

Tell us again how Arabs go back to Jerusalem to the Stone Ages? Ha ha ha.

I can explain this very easily - but we both know you are not listening, and will tell the same lies again tomorrow. It's what you do, as we see on this thread.

btw, It's the BRONZE age - not the stone ages.

For anyone who is interested in this topic -

'Ceramic evidence indicates occupation of the City of David, within present-day Jerusalem, as far back as the Copper Age (c. 4th millennium BCE),[1][58] with evidence of a permanent settlement during the early Bronze Age (c. 3000–2800 BCE).[58][59] The Execration Texts (c. 19th century BCE), which refer to a city called rwš3lmm, variously transcribed as Rušalimum/Urušalimum/Rôsh-ramen[58][60] and the Amarna letters (c. 14th century BCE) may be the earliest mention of the city.[61][62] Some archaeologists, including Kathleen Kenyon, believe Jerusalem was founded by Northwest Semitic people with organized settlements from around 2600 BCE. Nadav Na'aman argues its fortification as the centre of a kingdom dates to around the 18th century BCE.[63] The first settlement lay on the Ophel ridge.[64] The biblical account first mentions Jerusalem ("Salem") as ruled by Melchizedek, an ally of Abraham.

In the late Bronze Age Jerusalem was the capital of an Egyptian vassal city-state, a modest settlement governing a few outlying villages and pastoral areas, with a small Egyptian garrison and ruled by appointees such as king Abdi-Heba,[66] At the time of Seti I and Ramesses II, major construction took place as prosperity increased...'

Jerusalem - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

As most people know, the Ancient Egyptians were the forefathers of Egyptian Arabs - just as the people living in Jerusalem were the forefathers of today's Palestinians. Genetic testing has established this quite clearly. While the labels used for people has changed over the centuries, there is a clear and definite genetic link between the Palestinians of 2013 and the Bronze Age inhabitants of the land they live on.

Ooooo....that wasn't even a nice try! As most people know we all come from the same genes going back millions of years.

But suddenly, Egyptians who are AFRICANS originally, suddenly became more Semetic than JEWS, going back to the Bronze Age. Yup, let's ignore the hundreds of thousands of Jewish artifacts and archeological sites going back thousands of years. "Israel is Arab land, they go back to the Bronze Age". Or is it BOZO AGE?

Talk about lying and stretching the truth....YOU ARE FULLA SHIT.

 

[Roudy]

Roudy -

So you contention is that in the Koran it claims that Mohammed ascended to heaven from a mosque, despite the fact that no mosques existed prior to his death?

Interesting.

Hilarious, but interesting.

Al Aqsa does not mean "over there", by the way, it means "the farthest mosque".

Masjid al-Aqsa translates from Arabic into English as "the farthest mosque." The name refers to a chapter of the Qur'an called "The Night Journey" in which it is said that Muhammad traveled from Mecca to "the farthest mosque," and then up to Heaven on a heavenly creature called al-Buraq al-Sharif.

Al-Aqsa Mosque - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You will now claim to have known this.

Unlike you, I speak Arabic "over there" and ""farthest" can be said using the same words. Surprised? Besides whether it's farthest or over there, again....THERE WAS NO MOSQUE IN JERUSALEM AT THAT TIME, so it COULDN'T "farthest" or "over there". Take your pick, numbskull! LOL.

 

[Saigon]

As most people know we all come from the same genes going back millions of years.

True - but not all peoples have remained in largely the same place for all of those years.

You do not live where your forefathers lived 100,000 years ago.

Very, very many Palestinians do.

let's ignore the hundreds of thousands of Jewish artifacts and archeological sites going back thousands of years

Who said Jews did not live there too?

It is typical of your black/white world view that you imagine that only one people could live in one place at one time, but as anyone who has spent anytime in cities like Jersualem or Jericho will tell you, both Jews and Palestinians can trace their roots back in these cities for 3,000 years or so.

You will never understand the complexity of this conflict as long as you think one city is Jewish and another Palestinian. If it was that simple, the dispute would have been resolved in 1948.

 

[Saigon]

Roudy's Lies #3

The Islamic claim to Jerusalem is false - There were no mosques in Jerusalem in 632 c.e. at the death of Muhammad... Jerusalem was [then] a Christian-occupied city.

Actually, there was no mosque in Mecca in 632 either.

So apparently, Mecca is not an Islamic city.

Brilliant.