n korea thinks trump is bluffing

[Divine Wind]

North Korea seem to know where they stand. They know they have the protection of China as long as they do not cause any problems for China's national security. So, no firing nukes at people, etc. But with nukes, they have less problems from the US, and China is slightly less of a problem too, defense wise.

No, this isn't about Trump looking in a bad light. Trump comes out of this looking bad because he thinks that he can solve this situation. Obama didn't think he could solve it, because he couldn't. Trump can't solve it but goes around trying to outsmart a guy whose politics are a lot more cutthroat than US politics, and Kim's been in the game longer.

If you think the left is annoying because it's all about making Trump look bad, think about it from the point of view of the left, with Trump always making HIMSELF look bad. He attacks, he fights when he should negotiate, he causes problems with people he should be working with, he insults people, then turns around and says they're all fucking amazing.

White House calls Xi Jinping president of Taiwan in G20 gaffe

"
Donald Trump's team mistakenly refer to Chinese leader Xi Jinping as the president of Taiwan"

Then after insulting the guy, he says

Trump was given a 10 minute history lesson by the Chinese President. This is what he was told

"
Donald Trump admits Xi Jinping gave him a history lesson on North Korea"

He's flattering the guy.



"
Trump hails 'tremendous' progress in talks with China's Xi"

More flattery

When it is just China it's

Trump hails 'tremendous' progress in talks with China's Xi - BBC News

"
Trump accuses China of 'raping' US with unfair trade policy"

Trump says China is NOT a currency manipulator | Daily Mail Online

"Trump says the U.S. is 'working with China' to deal with North Korea and doubles down on his position that they are NOT currency manipulators"

Same thing, act all bravado, then come around and act like they're on the same side.

It's nonsense, all these world leaders see through it, they're laughing at how easy it is to play Trump, because he's one of the dooshbag poker players who thinks he got it all down, and then fucks up time and time again giving out signals that even the worst player's mother's dog can read.

so - let me narrow this down and make sure i understand what you're saying cause what i hear is:

obama can't fix it cause it can't be fixed.
trump thinks he can and here's a lot of "bad trump" links.

put both of them aside, how would YOU resolve this?

Push China to do it in lieu of a nuclear war on their border.

honestly i wish china would deal with it. i think they're more qualified to know the region and the mindset as well as deal with the aftermath of whatever may come out of it. i just have not seen much to ever make me think they care enough to want to. maybe trump is talking tough so china will see we *are* serious so they'll step it up and take care of it and we can all walk away from the edge quietly.

Agreed on China as the best solution. Yes, they do want to get involved, and are, but they are also afraid the entire DPRK government will collapse and they'll have to deal with 25,000,000 starving North Koreans fleeing north across the Yalu River. Either way, they have to do something before this gets out of hand. At the moment, I think Kim is 99% bullshit.

Chinese troops crossing the Yalu south during the Korean War. China doesn't want to see this reversed with starving, fleeing North Korean refugees.

so far i think we agree on the hesitancy of china. other people don't seem to think the starving is a huge issue but if we just take out kim and have no plan to follow up - there will be incredible chaos i'd rather avoid also.

not sure what a good solution would be. keep north and south separate or make "korea" whole again or give the north to china and walk away.

Like Germany, I think reunification is good, but to appease China, we'd have to set up a timeline for withdrawal, at least everything north of Taegu.

 

[Godboy]

You think we will take the military option? I have not heard anyone who is familiar with foreign and military policy think that is a good idea.

You would rather wait until the massive deaths of Alaskans and our major oil reserves are so contaminated we can't use them?

No. Apparently those who know what they're talking about would rather find another option. That is all I'm saying.

Is there another option though? I cant imagine that anything but war will stop NK from developing nuclear weapons.

 

[Darkwind]

he's not been paying attention has he?

and why would ANY country threaten to attack you only after you threaten to wipe them off the map a few hundred times? stunning the lengths some countries will go to in order to stop from being dime-store nuked.

Kim Jong-un claims US ‘bluffing’ over war threats

I think that he understands how politics is played in this country better than most do. He knows Trump can bluster, but for him to use one of our nuclear warheads, he'll need to go through the American people and Congress.

Give how pussified the left is in this regard, he knows that nothing short of setting off a nuke on our soil is going to get us all pulling in the same direction.

He is right. Trump is bluffing.

The US might want to talk S. Korea into digging enough bomb shelters to withstand a missile barrage from the north.

 

[OldLady]

You think we will take the military option? I have not heard anyone who is familiar with foreign and military policy think that is a good idea.

You would rather wait until the massive deaths of Alaskans and our major oil reserves are so contaminated we can't use them?

No. Apparently those who know what they're talking about would rather find another option. That is all I'm saying.

Is there another option though? I cant imagine that anything but war will stop NK from developing nuclear weapons.

The only option I've heard that sounds possible is for China to take NK under its wing and under its nuclear umbrella. It worked with Ukraine and some other countries after the collapse of the USSR. I suppose it could happen again. It will have to include incentives, but they don't have to be from us. EVERYONE wants NK de-nuked. Of course, lifting sanctions alone would be an incentive for NK. The U.S., who NK hates, doesn't have to be the main negotiator. We will have to agree to stop saber rattling though. I think it's a fair swap.

 

[Divine Wind]

You think we will take the military option? I have not heard anyone who is familiar with foreign and military policy think that is a good idea.

You would rather wait until the massive deaths of Alaskans and our major oil reserves are so contaminated we can't use them?

No. Apparently those who know what they're talking about would rather find another option. That is all I'm saying.

Is there another option though? I cant imagine that anything but war will stop NK from developing nuclear weapons.

China ordering "Fearless Leader" to have an "accident" would solve the problem.

 

[frigidweirdo]

he's not been paying attention has he?

and why would ANY country threaten to attack you only after you threaten to wipe them off the map a few hundred times? stunning the lengths some countries will go to in order to stop from being dime-store nuked.

Kim Jong-un claims US ‘bluffing’ over war threats

Trump is bluffing. The reason they know it is because a certain President of the USA, Mr I'm so Fucking Smart decided to tell them he was bluffing. D'oh.

Trump 'rules out military option for North Korea' | Daily Mail Online

"Trump has a four-point diplomatic plan for dealing with North Korea that DOES NOT include a military option or a plan to remove Kim Jong-un from power'"

Then he had his "Armada" go off to North Korea, direction Australia.... that was a bluff and it didn't work.

And even half of America doesn't think he has a plan other than bluffing at his game of poke her.

Analysis | Trump has never had a plan for dealing with North Korea

"Trump has never had a plan for dealing with North Korea"

who has had a plan? so far nothing has worked so i'd say all admins since the korean war are involved in the bad decisions that have gotten us to here today. he's more like a hot potato that sooner or later will go off on someone.

and again - i find it convenient that the left's biggest fear was war-monger-trump with the ego has has would have his finger on the button of our own nukes but now - suddenly he's bluffing.

that "message" alone is a contradiction and why it's frustrating to talk to the left. the only consistent view they seem to have is whatever view is needed to see trump in a bad light even if it means they walk back their own statements and stated fears/concerns of the man.

North Korea seem to know where they stand. They know they have the protection of China as long as they do not cause any problems for China's national security. So, no firing nukes at people, etc. But with nukes, they have less problems from the US, and China is slightly less of a problem too, defense wise.

No, this isn't about Trump looking in a bad light. Trump comes out of this looking bad because he thinks that he can solve this situation. Obama didn't think he could solve it, because he couldn't. Trump can't solve it but goes around trying to outsmart a guy whose politics are a lot more cutthroat than US politics, and Kim's been in the game longer.

If you think the left is annoying because it's all about making Trump look bad, think about it from the point of view of the left, with Trump always making HIMSELF look bad. He attacks, he fights when he should negotiate, he causes problems with people he should be working with, he insults people, then turns around and says they're all fucking amazing.

White House calls Xi Jinping president of Taiwan in G20 gaffe

"
Donald Trump's team mistakenly refer to Chinese leader Xi Jinping as the president of Taiwan"

Then after insulting the guy, he says

Trump was given a 10 minute history lesson by the Chinese President. This is what he was told

"
Donald Trump admits Xi Jinping gave him a history lesson on North Korea"

He's flattering the guy.



"
Trump hails 'tremendous' progress in talks with China's Xi"

More flattery

When it is just China it's

Trump hails 'tremendous' progress in talks with China's Xi - BBC News

"
Trump accuses China of 'raping' US with unfair trade policy"

Trump says China is NOT a currency manipulator | Daily Mail Online

"Trump says the U.S. is 'working with China' to deal with North Korea and doubles down on his position that they are NOT currency manipulators"

Same thing, act all bravado, then come around and act like they're on the same side.

It's nonsense, all these world leaders see through it, they're laughing at how easy it is to play Trump, because he's one of the dooshbag poker players who thinks he got it all down, and then fucks up time and time again giving out signals that even the worst player's mother's dog can read.

so - let me narrow this down and make sure i understand what you're saying cause what i hear is:

obama can't fix it cause it can't be fixed.
trump thinks he can and here's a lot of "bad trump" links.

put both of them aside, how would YOU resolve this?

So, I say "it cannot be resolved" and you ask "how can it be resolved?"

Are you kidding me?

 

[frigidweirdo]

So far the NK fish head has refrained from testing another nuke. So, in that regard, he must not think POTUS is bluffing

-Geaux

Wow, now there's an argument. Forget that his people might not be ready to test another nuke, no, it must
be because of Trump.

In fact, Kim didn't take a shit this morning, and it was all because of Trump.

link?

www.youvegottobefuckingkiddingme.co.nk

www.noivegotityoujustwanttobagontrump.com.get.ing.old

Or maybe you think this is a great way to try and deflect from Trump.

No, I see what Trump is doing, and when he makes a massive fuck up, I'll say it's a massive fuck up. And I see massive fuck ups happening all the time, and I see people like you deflecting all the time, and it's getting old.

 

[Indeependent]

You think we will take the military option? I have not heard anyone who is familiar with foreign and military policy think that is a good idea.

Are you referring to people you know or the paid media pundits?
No sarcasm intended as the pundits get paid to follow the media outlet's agenda.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Trump is bluffing. The reason they know it is because a certain President of the USA, Mr I'm so Fucking Smart decided to tell them he was bluffing. D'oh.

Trump 'rules out military option for North Korea' | Daily Mail Online

"Trump has a four-point diplomatic plan for dealing with North Korea that DOES NOT include a military option or a plan to remove Kim Jong-un from power'"

Then he had his "Armada" go off to North Korea, direction Australia.... that was a bluff and it didn't work.

And even half of America doesn't think he has a plan other than bluffing at his game of poke her.

Analysis | Trump has never had a plan for dealing with North Korea

"Trump has never had a plan for dealing with North Korea"

who has had a plan? so far nothing has worked so i'd say all admins since the korean war are involved in the bad decisions that have gotten us to here today. he's more like a hot potato that sooner or later will go off on someone.

and again - i find it convenient that the left's biggest fear was war-monger-trump with the ego has has would have his finger on the button of our own nukes but now - suddenly he's bluffing.

that "message" alone is a contradiction and why it's frustrating to talk to the left. the only consistent view they seem to have is whatever view is needed to see trump in a bad light even if it means they walk back their own statements and stated fears/concerns of the man.

North Korea seem to know where they stand. They know they have the protection of China as long as they do not cause any problems for China's national security. So, no firing nukes at people, etc. But with nukes, they have less problems from the US, and China is slightly less of a problem too, defense wise.

No, this isn't about Trump looking in a bad light. Trump comes out of this looking bad because he thinks that he can solve this situation. Obama didn't think he could solve it, because he couldn't. Trump can't solve it but goes around trying to outsmart a guy whose politics are a lot more cutthroat than US politics, and Kim's been in the game longer.

If you think the left is annoying because it's all about making Trump look bad, think about it from the point of view of the left, with Trump always making HIMSELF look bad. He attacks, he fights when he should negotiate, he causes problems with people he should be working with, he insults people, then turns around and says they're all fucking amazing.

White House calls Xi Jinping president of Taiwan in G20 gaffe

"
Donald Trump's team mistakenly refer to Chinese leader Xi Jinping as the president of Taiwan"

Then after insulting the guy, he says

Trump was given a 10 minute history lesson by the Chinese President. This is what he was told

"
Donald Trump admits Xi Jinping gave him a history lesson on North Korea"

He's flattering the guy.



"
Trump hails 'tremendous' progress in talks with China's Xi"

More flattery

When it is just China it's

Trump hails 'tremendous' progress in talks with China's Xi - BBC News

"
Trump accuses China of 'raping' US with unfair trade policy"

Trump says China is NOT a currency manipulator | Daily Mail Online

"Trump says the U.S. is 'working with China' to deal with North Korea and doubles down on his position that they are NOT currency manipulators"

Same thing, act all bravado, then come around and act like they're on the same side.

It's nonsense, all these world leaders see through it, they're laughing at how easy it is to play Trump, because he's one of the dooshbag poker players who thinks he got it all down, and then fucks up time and time again giving out signals that even the worst player's mother's dog can read.

so - let me narrow this down and make sure i understand what you're saying cause what i hear is:

obama can't fix it cause it can't be fixed.
trump thinks he can and here's a lot of "bad trump" links.

put both of them aside, how would YOU resolve this?

Push China to do it in lieu of a nuclear war on their border.

honestly i wish china would deal with it. i think they're more qualified to know the region and the mindset as well as deal with the aftermath of whatever may come out of it. i just have not seen much to ever make me think they care enough to want to. maybe trump is talking tough so china will see we *are* serious so they'll step it up and take care of it and we can all walk away from the edge quietly.

Why should China "deal with it"? China seem perfectly fine with how it is right now.

The US allowed Pakistan to get nukes, Pakistan is a fucked up place right now, and whoever gets in as president has nuclear weapons. Why didn't the US "deal with it"?

Hell, the biggest threat to global security also happens to be the ONLY country to have dropped such weapons on civilians, why doesn't the US "deal with it" and take weapons of this nasty country that would do such a thing?

 

[frigidweirdo]

North Korea seem to know where they stand. They know they have the protection of China as long as they do not cause any problems for China's national security. So, no firing nukes at people, etc. But with nukes, they have less problems from the US, and China is slightly less of a problem too, defense wise.

No, this isn't about Trump looking in a bad light. Trump comes out of this looking bad because he thinks that he can solve this situation. Obama didn't think he could solve it, because he couldn't. Trump can't solve it but goes around trying to outsmart a guy whose politics are a lot more cutthroat than US politics, and Kim's been in the game longer.

If you think the left is annoying because it's all about making Trump look bad, think about it from the point of view of the left, with Trump always making HIMSELF look bad. He attacks, he fights when he should negotiate, he causes problems with people he should be working with, he insults people, then turns around and says they're all fucking amazing.

White House calls Xi Jinping president of Taiwan in G20 gaffe

"
Donald Trump's team mistakenly refer to Chinese leader Xi Jinping as the president of Taiwan"

Then after insulting the guy, he says

Trump was given a 10 minute history lesson by the Chinese President. This is what he was told

"
Donald Trump admits Xi Jinping gave him a history lesson on North Korea"

He's flattering the guy.



"
Trump hails 'tremendous' progress in talks with China's Xi"

More flattery

When it is just China it's

Trump hails 'tremendous' progress in talks with China's Xi - BBC News

"
Trump accuses China of 'raping' US with unfair trade policy"

Trump says China is NOT a currency manipulator | Daily Mail Online

"Trump says the U.S. is 'working with China' to deal with North Korea and doubles down on his position that they are NOT currency manipulators"

Same thing, act all bravado, then come around and act like they're on the same side.

It's nonsense, all these world leaders see through it, they're laughing at how easy it is to play Trump, because he's one of the dooshbag poker players who thinks he got it all down, and then fucks up time and time again giving out signals that even the worst player's mother's dog can read.

so - let me narrow this down and make sure i understand what you're saying cause what i hear is:

obama can't fix it cause it can't be fixed.
trump thinks he can and here's a lot of "bad trump" links.

put both of them aside, how would YOU resolve this?

Push China to do it in lieu of a nuclear war on their border.

honestly i wish china would deal with it. i think they're more qualified to know the region and the mindset as well as deal with the aftermath of whatever may come out of it. i just have not seen much to ever make me think they care enough to want to. maybe trump is talking tough so china will see we *are* serious so they'll step it up and take care of it and we can all walk away from the edge quietly.

Agreed on China as the best solution. Yes, they do want to get involved, and are, but they are also afraid the entire DPRK government will collapse and they'll have to deal with 25,000,000 starving North Koreans fleeing north across the Yalu River. Either way, they have to do something before this gets out of hand. At the moment, I think Kim is 99% bullshit.

Chinese troops crossing the Yalu south during the Korean War. China doesn't want to see this reversed with starving, fleeing North Korean refugees.

so far i think we agree on the hesitancy of china. other people don't seem to think the starving is a huge issue but if we just take out kim and have no plan to follow up - there will be incredible chaos i'd rather avoid also.

not sure what a good solution would be. keep north and south separate or make "korea" whole again or give the north to china and walk away.

Or China's solution to the problem is "The US can fuck off".

 

[Divine Wind]

who has had a plan? so far nothing has worked so i'd say all admins since the korean war are involved in the bad decisions that have gotten us to here today. he's more like a hot potato that sooner or later will go off on someone.

and again - i find it convenient that the left's biggest fear was war-monger-trump with the ego has has would have his finger on the button of our own nukes but now - suddenly he's bluffing.

that "message" alone is a contradiction and why it's frustrating to talk to the left. the only consistent view they seem to have is whatever view is needed to see trump in a bad light even if it means they walk back their own statements and stated fears/concerns of the man.

North Korea seem to know where they stand. They know they have the protection of China as long as they do not cause any problems for China's national security. So, no firing nukes at people, etc. But with nukes, they have less problems from the US, and China is slightly less of a problem too, defense wise.

No, this isn't about Trump looking in a bad light. Trump comes out of this looking bad because he thinks that he can solve this situation. Obama didn't think he could solve it, because he couldn't. Trump can't solve it but goes around trying to outsmart a guy whose politics are a lot more cutthroat than US politics, and Kim's been in the game longer.

If you think the left is annoying because it's all about making Trump look bad, think about it from the point of view of the left, with Trump always making HIMSELF look bad. He attacks, he fights when he should negotiate, he causes problems with people he should be working with, he insults people, then turns around and says they're all fucking amazing.

White House calls Xi Jinping president of Taiwan in G20 gaffe

"
Donald Trump's team mistakenly refer to Chinese leader Xi Jinping as the president of Taiwan"

Then after insulting the guy, he says

Trump was given a 10 minute history lesson by the Chinese President. This is what he was told

"
Donald Trump admits Xi Jinping gave him a history lesson on North Korea"

He's flattering the guy.



"
Trump hails 'tremendous' progress in talks with China's Xi"

More flattery

When it is just China it's

Trump hails 'tremendous' progress in talks with China's Xi - BBC News

"
Trump accuses China of 'raping' US with unfair trade policy"

Trump says China is NOT a currency manipulator | Daily Mail Online

"Trump says the U.S. is 'working with China' to deal with North Korea and doubles down on his position that they are NOT currency manipulators"

Same thing, act all bravado, then come around and act like they're on the same side.

It's nonsense, all these world leaders see through it, they're laughing at how easy it is to play Trump, because he's one of the dooshbag poker players who thinks he got it all down, and then fucks up time and time again giving out signals that even the worst player's mother's dog can read.

so - let me narrow this down and make sure i understand what you're saying cause what i hear is:

obama can't fix it cause it can't be fixed.
trump thinks he can and here's a lot of "bad trump" links.

put both of them aside, how would YOU resolve this?

Push China to do it in lieu of a nuclear war on their border.

honestly i wish china would deal with it. i think they're more qualified to know the region and the mindset as well as deal with the aftermath of whatever may come out of it. i just have not seen much to ever make me think they care enough to want to. maybe trump is talking tough so china will see we *are* serious so they'll step it up and take care of it and we can all walk away from the edge quietly.

Why should China "deal with it"? China seem perfectly fine with how it is right now.

The US allowed Pakistan to get nukes, Pakistan is a fucked up place right now, and whoever gets in as president has nuclear weapons. Why didn't the US "deal with it"?

Hell, the biggest threat to global security also happens to be the ONLY country to have dropped such weapons on civilians, why doesn't the US "deal with it" and take weapons of this nasty country that would do such a thing?

Will they be "fine with it" if Kim launches a nuke at someone that someone returns one?

The US didn't "allow" Pakistan to have nukes just like the US didn't "allow" India or South Africa to have nukes.

Thanks for your standard anti-American rant against "this nasty country". Okay, so, by your logic, since the US used two nukes to end WWII, everybody else gets to use two also? Interesting point of view.

 

[Divine Wind]

so - let me narrow this down and make sure i understand what you're saying cause what i hear is:

obama can't fix it cause it can't be fixed.
trump thinks he can and here's a lot of "bad trump" links.

put both of them aside, how would YOU resolve this?

Push China to do it in lieu of a nuclear war on their border.

honestly i wish china would deal with it. i think they're more qualified to know the region and the mindset as well as deal with the aftermath of whatever may come out of it. i just have not seen much to ever make me think they care enough to want to. maybe trump is talking tough so china will see we *are* serious so they'll step it up and take care of it and we can all walk away from the edge quietly.

Agreed on China as the best solution. Yes, they do want to get involved, and are, but they are also afraid the entire DPRK government will collapse and they'll have to deal with 25,000,000 starving North Koreans fleeing north across the Yalu River. Either way, they have to do something before this gets out of hand. At the moment, I think Kim is 99% bullshit.

Chinese troops crossing the Yalu south during the Korean War. China doesn't want to see this reversed with starving, fleeing North Korean refugees.

so far i think we agree on the hesitancy of china. other people don't seem to think the starving is a huge issue but if we just take out kim and have no plan to follow up - there will be incredible chaos i'd rather avoid also.

not sure what a good solution would be. keep north and south separate or make "korea" whole again or give the north to china and walk away.

Or China's solution to the problem is "The US can fuck off".

That's fine with me. I've always thought most of us would live to see a nuclear weapon used against a city. A short nuclear war in Korea would have a cathartic effect on humanity, Maybe some good will come out of it.

 

[MACAULAY]

I have some strong opinions about what's going on in the USA, because I can find out enough to have strong opinions.

That is not true on Foreign Affairs. None of us can ever know enough.

What I can tell about North Korea is this:

1) South Korea has by far the most interest in what happens in North Korea;

2) And, after that, Japan probably has the most.

The considerations of neither has ever been mentioned in this thread; but I noticed in the news this week that both countries have indicated they wanted to open negotiations with North Korea; and that has to carry some weight...because those two countries, mainly South Korea, are the two countries whose citizens will get blown up first.

They may be Pussies, but they must have a say, and who of us might not find out that we are Pussies too....if we lived in Seoul, which is 35 miles from many batteries of North Korean Rocket Launchers.

As many as 11 U. S Presidents have grappled with this situation and have thus been involved in Fucking it up to the point it is. There may be a 12th. We don't know yet, but at least he has the balls to recognize it is a problem rather than sweep it under the rug.

Would you rather have Hillary Clinton giving the Fat Goofy Fuck in North Korea a pretty Red Re-Set Button like she did Putin?

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

You think we will take the military option? I have not heard anyone who is familiar with foreign and military policy think that is a good idea.

You would rather wait until the massive deaths of Alaskans and our major oil reserves are so contaminated we can't use them?

If they actually thought that would happen they'd take appropriate action.

 

[Divine Wind]

I have some strong opinions about what's going on in the USA, because I can find out enough to have strong opinions.

That is not true on Foreign Affairs. None of us can ever know enough.

What I can tell about North Korea is this:

1) South Korea has by far the most interest in what happens in North Korea;

2) And, after that, Japan probably has the most.

The considerations of neither has ever been mentioned in this thread; but I noticed in the news this week that both countries have indicated they wanted to open negotiations with North Korea; and that has to carry some weight...because those two countries, mainly South Korea, are the two countries whose citizens will get blown up first.

They may be Pussies, but they must have a say, and who of us might not find out that we are Pussies too....if we lived in Seoul, which is 35 miles from many batteries of North Korean Rocket Launchers.

As many as 11 U. S Presidents have grappled with this situation and have thus been involved in Fucking it up to the point it is. There may be a 12th. We don't know yet, but at least he has the balls to recognize it is a problem rather than sweep it under the rug.

Would you rather have Hillary Clinton giving the Fat Goofy Fuck in North Korea a pretty Red Re-Set Button like she did Putin?

Presidents have wrestled with it, but the solution has changed over time. At first it was to avoid WWIII. Then it evolved to China's problem. China is their biggest supporter and trade partner. China has the most control and also the most to lose should North Korea start a war.

 

[HenryBHough]

No, the nuclear option will remain off the table.

Until fatboy fires off a missile that sputters and takes out Tokyo.

Then all Hell will break loose.

Not "if". Only "until".

 

[DarkFury]

You think we will take the military option? I have not heard anyone who is familiar with foreign and military policy think that is a good idea.

You would rather wait until the massive deaths of Alaskans and our major oil reserves are so contaminated we can't use them?

If they actually thought that would happen they'd take appropriate action.

I'm not so sure about that. Three stage missile ready to go. They just need the payload.
When was the last time we struck first?

 

[Geaux4it]

so - let me narrow this down and make sure i understand what you're saying cause what i hear is:

obama can't fix it cause it can't be fixed.
trump thinks he can and here's a lot of "bad trump" links.

put both of them aside, how would YOU resolve this?

Push China to do it in lieu of a nuclear war on their border.

honestly i wish china would deal with it. i think they're more qualified to know the region and the mindset as well as deal with the aftermath of whatever may come out of it. i just have not seen much to ever make me think they care enough to want to. maybe trump is talking tough so china will see we *are* serious so they'll step it up and take care of it and we can all walk away from the edge quietly.

Agreed on China as the best solution. Yes, they do want to get involved, and are, but they are also afraid the entire DPRK government will collapse and they'll have to deal with 25,000,000 starving North Koreans fleeing north across the Yalu River. Either way, they have to do something before this gets out of hand. At the moment, I think Kim is 99% bullshit.

Chinese troops crossing the Yalu south during the Korean War. China doesn't want to see this reversed with starving, fleeing North Korean refugees.

so far i think we agree on the hesitancy of china. other people don't seem to think the starving is a huge issue but if we just take out kim and have no plan to follow up - there will be incredible chaos i'd rather avoid also.

not sure what a good solution would be. keep north and south separate or make "korea" whole again or give the north to china and walk away.

Or China's solution to the problem is "The US can fuck off".

I thought you don't do insults.

Quit insulting my country

-Geaux

 

[Geaux4it]

By using nukes, we saved many, a many American lives.

Better them than us

-Geaux

 

[Divine Wind]

Push China to do it in lieu of a nuclear war on their border.

honestly i wish china would deal with it. i think they're more qualified to know the region and the mindset as well as deal with the aftermath of whatever may come out of it. i just have not seen much to ever make me think they care enough to want to. maybe trump is talking tough so china will see we *are* serious so they'll step it up and take care of it and we can all walk away from the edge quietly.

Agreed on China as the best solution. Yes, they do want to get involved, and are, but they are also afraid the entire DPRK government will collapse and they'll have to deal with 25,000,000 starving North Koreans fleeing north across the Yalu River. Either way, they have to do something before this gets out of hand. At the moment, I think Kim is 99% bullshit.

Chinese troops crossing the Yalu south during the Korean War. China doesn't want to see this reversed with starving, fleeing North Korean refugees.

so far i think we agree on the hesitancy of china. other people don't seem to think the starving is a huge issue but if we just take out kim and have no plan to follow up - there will be incredible chaos i'd rather avoid also.

not sure what a good solution would be. keep north and south separate or make "korea" whole again or give the north to china and walk away.

Or China's solution to the problem is "The US can fuck off".

I thought you don't do insults.

Quit insulting my country

-Geaux

Left Wing Loonies Lie