Native American tribes want Liz Warren to apologize for lying about her indigenous heritage

[Pogo]

My wife is registered Cherokee, Liz will have no scalp should the two cross paths.

Christian forgiveness too?
At least warren isn't sucking off distant Indian money

Everything she does is corrupt so don’t hold your breath... lol

Yes! You know her well. Every time she opens her mouth she lies. She lies more than any other politician

It is the height of irony that a poster claiming to chide a third party for "corruption" and "lying" is the same poster who trots in obvious fake photoshops to make points he can't back up.

It is the height of irony that a poster claiming to chide a third party for "corruption" and "lying" is the same poster who trots in obvious fake photoshops to make points he can't back up.

Says the dufus with a fake gif of Trump in his signature.

That gif isn't making a claim, now is it Puddles?

Is this simple shit like brain surgery for you?

 

[Pogo]

This will never go away for Pocahontas....her disgusting lies about being Native American and using that lie for personal and political gain is absolutely unconscionable....she is supposed to be a liberal who fights for the underclass, not exploit their victimhood for her own selfish reasons.

She should resign,


Elizabeth Warren’s Native American problem goes beyond politics - The Boston Globe

“The problem with Elizabeth Warren is she is not the average wannabe,” said David Cornsilk, a Cherokee historian and genealogist. “She is an academic. She has a higher level of aptitude to examine these issues. And a higher responsibility to examine them, and accept the research that is done, or to counter it with alternative research.”

Cornsilk described himself as a liberal who supports Warren’s agenda of attacking income inequality. “Warren could be an ally,” Cornsilk said. “But she will not be an ally that we will accept if she continues to claim Cherokee and Delaware heritage without proof.”

Cornsilk wants Warren to offer a full apology that acknowledges that she made claims without proof, that those claims have been damaging, and that she will work to repair that damage.

“It is a fundamental issue of who we are and who gets to decide that,” Cornsilk said.

Here is a problem with that. I have a Cherokee Heritage along with European. The Cherokee keep painstaking records of who is a Cherokee. The problem is, they excluded quite a few from those logs. If you aren't on the logs then your claim is not considered valid even if you are part Cherokee. If you can prove that you are Cherokee or a decendent of a Cherokee of a certain percentage, you get a cut in the millions that Cherokee generate each year in income for the Tribe. My sister tried to find out about this. What the Cherokee in Oklahoma said was, you may be part Native American but not Cherokee. He suggested she continue her search with the Choctaw. By omitting names from the Cherokee list, they save millions each year and don't have to pay out a dime to the ones omitted.

You can't go with what the Cherokee Nation says. It is based on lies and omissions.

Besides which --- Warren never applied for Cherokee membership anyway. She never made such a claim, yet the OP and his fellow travellers want to erect that as a strawman as well.

I happen to be Irish but I've never applied for Irish citizenship. They'd be two different things.

Then there are the census forms they'll inevitably bring up, noting ancestors self-reporting as "white" while ignoring the fact that in the genocidal era anyone who could "pass" for white did so as a matter of pure self-preservation.

Even with a DNA test, it isn't proof positive that anyone is Cherokee. It will only state, "Native American". Unlike yours and mine "Irish" the Irish show different in a DNA than any American Indian Tribe.

Ultimately that isn't the point anyway; even if a DNA test could offer conclusive proof and even if Warren did one just to placate them, it wouldn't.

Nor would it address their fallacy "she lied" -- which in order to prove requires that both (a) she has no such ancestry and (b) that she knew that when she claimed it. Obviously they can't do that so they shunt off to fake arguments like "DNA tests" to prove their own strawmen.

She said it with deceit to get special status as a minority ...
.

Again ---- LINK???






Yeah exactly. Crickets keep on chirpin'. That means you lose.

 

[Pogo]

This will never go away for Pocahontas....her disgusting lies about being Native American and using that lie for personal and political gain is absolutely unconscionable....she is supposed to be a liberal who fights for the underclass, not exploit their victimhood for her own selfish reasons.

She should resign,


Elizabeth Warren’s Native American problem goes beyond politics - The Boston Globe

“The problem with Elizabeth Warren is she is not the average wannabe,” said David Cornsilk, a Cherokee historian and genealogist. “She is an academic. She has a higher level of aptitude to examine these issues. And a higher responsibility to examine them, and accept the research that is done, or to counter it with alternative research.”

Cornsilk described himself as a liberal who supports Warren’s agenda of attacking income inequality. “Warren could be an ally,” Cornsilk said. “But she will not be an ally that we will accept if she continues to claim Cherokee and Delaware heritage without proof.”

Cornsilk wants Warren to offer a full apology that acknowledges that she made claims without proof, that those claims have been damaging, and that she will work to repair that damage.

“It is a fundamental issue of who we are and who gets to decide that,” Cornsilk said.

Here is a problem with that. I have a Cherokee Heritage along with European. The Cherokee keep painstaking records of who is a Cherokee. The problem is, they excluded quite a few from those logs. If you aren't on the logs then your claim is not considered valid even if you are part Cherokee. If you can prove that you are Cherokee or a decendent of a Cherokee of a certain percentage, you get a cut in the millions that Cherokee generate each year in income for the Tribe. My sister tried to find out about this. What the Cherokee in Oklahoma said was, you may be part Native American but not Cherokee. He suggested she continue her search with the Choctaw. By omitting names from the Cherokee list, they save millions each year and don't have to pay out a dime to the ones omitted.

You can't go with what the Cherokee Nation says. It is based on lies and omissions.

Besides which --- Warren never applied for Cherokee membership anyway. She never made such a claim, yet the OP and his fellow travellers want to erect that as a strawman as well.

I happen to be Irish but I've never applied for Irish citizenship. They'd be two different things.

Then there are the census forms they'll inevitably bring up, noting ancestors self-reporting as "white" while ignoring the fact that in the genocidal era anyone who could "pass" for white did so as a matter of pure self-preservation.

Even with a DNA test, it isn't proof positive that anyone is Cherokee. It will only state, "Native American". Unlike yours and mine "Irish" the Irish show different in a DNA than any American Indian Tribe.

Process is straightforward. You show documented evidence your ancestor is listed in the Dawes rolls, which is a list of Cherokee tribe members from around 1900.

Warren never claimed to be on the Dawes Rolls. Not even close. Your argument is complete bullshit.

 

[LoneLaugher]

This will never go away for Pocahontas....her disgusting lies about being Native American and using that lie for personal and political gain is absolutely unconscionable....she is supposed to be a liberal who fights for the underclass, not exploit their victimhood for her own selfish reasons.

She should resign,


Elizabeth Warren’s Native American problem goes beyond politics - The Boston Globe

“The problem with Elizabeth Warren is she is not the average wannabe,” said David Cornsilk, a Cherokee historian and genealogist. “She is an academic. She has a higher level of aptitude to examine these issues. And a higher responsibility to examine them, and accept the research that is done, or to counter it with alternative research.”

Cornsilk described himself as a liberal who supports Warren’s agenda of attacking income inequality. “Warren could be an ally,” Cornsilk said. “But she will not be an ally that we will accept if she continues to claim Cherokee and Delaware heritage without proof.”

Cornsilk wants Warren to offer a full apology that acknowledges that she made claims without proof, that those claims have been damaging, and that she will work to repair that damage.

“It is a fundamental issue of who we are and who gets to decide that,” Cornsilk said.

My wife is registered Cherokee, Liz will have no scalp should the two cross paths.

Christian forgiveness too?
At least warren isn't sucking off distant Indian money

Everything she does is corrupt so don’t hold your breath... lol

Yes! You know her well. Every time she opens her mouth she lies. She lies more than any other politician

Much like every time your fingers move.

Yes. Of course.

 

[Weatherman2020]

This will never go away for Pocahontas....her disgusting lies about being Native American and using that lie for personal and political gain is absolutely unconscionable....she is supposed to be a liberal who fights for the underclass, not exploit their victimhood for her own selfish reasons.

She should resign,


Elizabeth Warren’s Native American problem goes beyond politics - The Boston Globe

“The problem with Elizabeth Warren is she is not the average wannabe,” said David Cornsilk, a Cherokee historian and genealogist. “She is an academic. She has a higher level of aptitude to examine these issues. And a higher responsibility to examine them, and accept the research that is done, or to counter it with alternative research.”

Cornsilk described himself as a liberal who supports Warren’s agenda of attacking income inequality. “Warren could be an ally,” Cornsilk said. “But she will not be an ally that we will accept if she continues to claim Cherokee and Delaware heritage without proof.”

Cornsilk wants Warren to offer a full apology that acknowledges that she made claims without proof, that those claims have been damaging, and that she will work to repair that damage.

“It is a fundamental issue of who we are and who gets to decide that,” Cornsilk said.

Here is a problem with that. I have a Cherokee Heritage along with European. The Cherokee keep painstaking records of who is a Cherokee. The problem is, they excluded quite a few from those logs. If you aren't on the logs then your claim is not considered valid even if you are part Cherokee. If you can prove that you are Cherokee or a decendent of a Cherokee of a certain percentage, you get a cut in the millions that Cherokee generate each year in income for the Tribe. My sister tried to find out about this. What the Cherokee in Oklahoma said was, you may be part Native American but not Cherokee. He suggested she continue her search with the Choctaw. By omitting names from the Cherokee list, they save millions each year and don't have to pay out a dime to the ones omitted.

You can't go with what the Cherokee Nation says. It is based on lies and omissions.

Besides which --- Warren never applied for Cherokee membership anyway. She never made such a claim, yet the OP and his fellow travellers want to erect that as a strawman as well.

I happen to be Irish but I've never applied for Irish citizenship. They'd be two different things.

Then there are the census forms they'll inevitably bring up, noting ancestors self-reporting as "white" while ignoring the fact that in the genocidal era anyone who could "pass" for white did so as a matter of pure self-preservation.

Even with a DNA test, it isn't proof positive that anyone is Cherokee. It will only state, "Native American". Unlike yours and mine "Irish" the Irish show different in a DNA than any American Indian Tribe.

Process is straightforward. You show documented evidence your ancestor is listed in the Dawes rolls, which is a list of Cherokee tribe members from around 1900.

Nice one. My Great Grandmother was born to an White Indian Agent and a Cherokee Maid. She predates that roll. Therefore, all of us know we are part Cherokee but will not be on that roll. She never got a Birth Certificate and was NOT born on the Cherokee Strip. She was born at the Agents Home which was Federal Property. She, like her mother were never on the roll. That roll is bogus.

There are other rolls too. It's the legal method, like it or not.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Here is a problem with that. I have a Cherokee Heritage along with European. The Cherokee keep painstaking records of who is a Cherokee. The problem is, they excluded quite a few from those logs. If you aren't on the logs then your claim is not considered valid even if you are part Cherokee. If you can prove that you are Cherokee or a decendent of a Cherokee of a certain percentage, you get a cut in the millions that Cherokee generate each year in income for the Tribe. My sister tried to find out about this. What the Cherokee in Oklahoma said was, you may be part Native American but not Cherokee. He suggested she continue her search with the Choctaw. By omitting names from the Cherokee list, they save millions each year and don't have to pay out a dime to the ones omitted.

You can't go with what the Cherokee Nation says. It is based on lies and omissions.

Besides which --- Warren never applied for Cherokee membership anyway. She never made such a claim, yet the OP and his fellow travellers want to erect that as a strawman as well.

I happen to be Irish but I've never applied for Irish citizenship. They'd be two different things.

Then there are the census forms they'll inevitably bring up, noting ancestors self-reporting as "white" while ignoring the fact that in the genocidal era anyone who could "pass" for white did so as a matter of pure self-preservation.

Even with a DNA test, it isn't proof positive that anyone is Cherokee. It will only state, "Native American". Unlike yours and mine "Irish" the Irish show different in a DNA than any American Indian Tribe.

Ultimately that isn't the point anyway; even if a DNA test could offer conclusive proof and even if Warren did one just to placate them, it wouldn't.

Nor would it address their fallacy "she lied" -- which in order to prove requires that both (a) she has no such ancestry and (b) that she knew that when she claimed it. Obviously they can't do that so they shunt off to fake arguments like "DNA tests" to prove their own strawmen.

She said it with deceit to get special status as a minority ...
.

Again ---- LINK???






Yeah exactly. Crickets keep on chirpin'. That means you lose.

I AM the link. Family History and all that. Just because you can't, through family history, trace your bastard heritage doesn't mean other can't.

 

[ph3iron]

This will never go away for Pocahontas....her disgusting lies about being Native American and using that lie for personal and political gain is absolutely unconscionable....she is supposed to be a liberal who fights for the underclass, not exploit their victimhood for her own selfish reasons.

She should resign,


Elizabeth Warren’s Native American problem goes beyond politics - The Boston Globe

“The problem with Elizabeth Warren is she is not the average wannabe,” said David Cornsilk, a Cherokee historian and genealogist. “She is an academic. She has a higher level of aptitude to examine these issues. And a higher responsibility to examine them, and accept the research that is done, or to counter it with alternative research.”

Cornsilk described himself as a liberal who supports Warren’s agenda of attacking income inequality. “Warren could be an ally,” Cornsilk said. “But she will not be an ally that we will accept if she continues to claim Cherokee and Delaware heritage without proof.”

Cornsilk wants Warren to offer a full apology that acknowledges that she made claims without proof, that those claims have been damaging, and that she will work to repair that damage.

“It is a fundamental issue of who we are and who gets to decide that,” Cornsilk said.

Here is a problem with that. I have a Cherokee Heritage along with European. The Cherokee keep painstaking records of who is a Cherokee. The problem is, they excluded quite a few from those logs. If you aren't on the logs then your claim is not considered valid even if you are part Cherokee. If you can prove that you are Cherokee or a decendent of a Cherokee of a certain percentage, you get a cut in the millions that Cherokee generate each year in income for the Tribe. My sister tried to find out about this. What the Cherokee in Oklahoma said was, you may be part Native American but not Cherokee. He suggested she continue her search with the Choctaw. By omitting names from the Cherokee list, they save millions each year and don't have to pay out a dime to the ones omitted.

You can't go with what the Cherokee Nation says. It is based on lies and omissions.

Besides which --- Warren never applied for Cherokee membership anyway. She never made such a claim, yet the OP and his fellow travellers want to erect that as a strawman as well.

I happen to be Irish but I've never applied for Irish citizenship. They'd be two different things.

Then there are the census forms they'll inevitably bring up, noting ancestors self-reporting as "white" while ignoring the fact that in the genocidal era anyone who could "pass" for white did so as a matter of pure self-preservation.

Even with a DNA test, it isn't proof positive that anyone is Cherokee. It will only state, "Native American". Unlike yours and mine "Irish" the Irish show different in a DNA than any American Indian Tribe.

Process is straightforward. You show documented evidence your ancestor is listed in the Dawes rolls, which is a list of Cherokee tribe members from around 1900.

Warren never claimed to be on the Dawes Rolls. Not even close. Your argument is complete bullshit.

How dare you quote actual facts to the C grabber cult?

 

[Weatherman2020]

This will never go away for Pocahontas....her disgusting lies about being Native American and using that lie for personal and political gain is absolutely unconscionable....she is supposed to be a liberal who fights for the underclass, not exploit their victimhood for her own selfish reasons.

She should resign,


Elizabeth Warren’s Native American problem goes beyond politics - The Boston Globe

“The problem with Elizabeth Warren is she is not the average wannabe,” said David Cornsilk, a Cherokee historian and genealogist. “She is an academic. She has a higher level of aptitude to examine these issues. And a higher responsibility to examine them, and accept the research that is done, or to counter it with alternative research.”

Cornsilk described himself as a liberal who supports Warren’s agenda of attacking income inequality. “Warren could be an ally,” Cornsilk said. “But she will not be an ally that we will accept if she continues to claim Cherokee and Delaware heritage without proof.”

Cornsilk wants Warren to offer a full apology that acknowledges that she made claims without proof, that those claims have been damaging, and that she will work to repair that damage.

“It is a fundamental issue of who we are and who gets to decide that,” Cornsilk said.

Here is a problem with that. I have a Cherokee Heritage along with European. The Cherokee keep painstaking records of who is a Cherokee. The problem is, they excluded quite a few from those logs. If you aren't on the logs then your claim is not considered valid even if you are part Cherokee. If you can prove that you are Cherokee or a decendent of a Cherokee of a certain percentage, you get a cut in the millions that Cherokee generate each year in income for the Tribe. My sister tried to find out about this. What the Cherokee in Oklahoma said was, you may be part Native American but not Cherokee. He suggested she continue her search with the Choctaw. By omitting names from the Cherokee list, they save millions each year and don't have to pay out a dime to the ones omitted.

You can't go with what the Cherokee Nation says. It is based on lies and omissions.

Besides which --- Warren never applied for Cherokee membership anyway. She never made such a claim, yet the OP and his fellow travellers want to erect that as a strawman as well.

I happen to be Irish but I've never applied for Irish citizenship. They'd be two different things.

Then there are the census forms they'll inevitably bring up, noting ancestors self-reporting as "white" while ignoring the fact that in the genocidal era anyone who could "pass" for white did so as a matter of pure self-preservation.

Even with a DNA test, it isn't proof positive that anyone is Cherokee. It will only state, "Native American". Unlike yours and mine "Irish" the Irish show different in a DNA than any American Indian Tribe.

Process is straightforward. You show documented evidence your ancestor is listed in the Dawes rolls, which is a list of Cherokee tribe members from around 1900.

Warren never claimed to be on the Dawes Rolls. Not even close. Your argument is complete bullshit.

Then she lied by falsely claiming membership of the Cherokee people.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Here is a problem with that. I have a Cherokee Heritage along with European. The Cherokee keep painstaking records of who is a Cherokee. The problem is, they excluded quite a few from those logs. If you aren't on the logs then your claim is not considered valid even if you are part Cherokee. If you can prove that you are Cherokee or a decendent of a Cherokee of a certain percentage, you get a cut in the millions that Cherokee generate each year in income for the Tribe. My sister tried to find out about this. What the Cherokee in Oklahoma said was, you may be part Native American but not Cherokee. He suggested she continue her search with the Choctaw. By omitting names from the Cherokee list, they save millions each year and don't have to pay out a dime to the ones omitted.

You can't go with what the Cherokee Nation says. It is based on lies and omissions.

Besides which --- Warren never applied for Cherokee membership anyway. She never made such a claim, yet the OP and his fellow travellers want to erect that as a strawman as well.

I happen to be Irish but I've never applied for Irish citizenship. They'd be two different things.

Then there are the census forms they'll inevitably bring up, noting ancestors self-reporting as "white" while ignoring the fact that in the genocidal era anyone who could "pass" for white did so as a matter of pure self-preservation.

Even with a DNA test, it isn't proof positive that anyone is Cherokee. It will only state, "Native American". Unlike yours and mine "Irish" the Irish show different in a DNA than any American Indian Tribe.

Process is straightforward. You show documented evidence your ancestor is listed in the Dawes rolls, which is a list of Cherokee tribe members from around 1900.

Nice one. My Great Grandmother was born to an White Indian Agent and a Cherokee Maid. She predates that roll. Therefore, all of us know we are part Cherokee but will not be on that roll. She never got a Birth Certificate and was NOT born on the Cherokee Strip. She was born at the Agents Home which was Federal Property. She, like her mother were never on the roll. That roll is bogus.

There are other rolls too. It's the legal method, like it or not.

I know. Still, there are millions that are not on that role that share Cherokee Blood somewhere in the blood line. And DNA testing is unconclusive since it won't seperate out which tribe, only Native Amerian.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Here is a problem with that. I have a Cherokee Heritage along with European. The Cherokee keep painstaking records of who is a Cherokee. The problem is, they excluded quite a few from those logs. If you aren't on the logs then your claim is not considered valid even if you are part Cherokee. If you can prove that you are Cherokee or a decendent of a Cherokee of a certain percentage, you get a cut in the millions that Cherokee generate each year in income for the Tribe. My sister tried to find out about this. What the Cherokee in Oklahoma said was, you may be part Native American but not Cherokee. He suggested she continue her search with the Choctaw. By omitting names from the Cherokee list, they save millions each year and don't have to pay out a dime to the ones omitted.

You can't go with what the Cherokee Nation says. It is based on lies and omissions.

Besides which --- Warren never applied for Cherokee membership anyway. She never made such a claim, yet the OP and his fellow travellers want to erect that as a strawman as well.

I happen to be Irish but I've never applied for Irish citizenship. They'd be two different things.

Then there are the census forms they'll inevitably bring up, noting ancestors self-reporting as "white" while ignoring the fact that in the genocidal era anyone who could "pass" for white did so as a matter of pure self-preservation.

Even with a DNA test, it isn't proof positive that anyone is Cherokee. It will only state, "Native American". Unlike yours and mine "Irish" the Irish show different in a DNA than any American Indian Tribe.

Process is straightforward. You show documented evidence your ancestor is listed in the Dawes rolls, which is a list of Cherokee tribe members from around 1900.

Warren never claimed to be on the Dawes Rolls. Not even close. Your argument is complete bullshit.

Then she lied by falsely claiming membership of the Cherokee people.

She said She was part Cherokee. Hell, I am from the West. Almost all of us share Cherokee Blood. I am walking, talking proof that a Cherokee will f**k anything.

 

[Pogo]

Here is a problem with that. I have a Cherokee Heritage along with European. The Cherokee keep painstaking records of who is a Cherokee. The problem is, they excluded quite a few from those logs. If you aren't on the logs then your claim is not considered valid even if you are part Cherokee. If you can prove that you are Cherokee or a decendent of a Cherokee of a certain percentage, you get a cut in the millions that Cherokee generate each year in income for the Tribe. My sister tried to find out about this. What the Cherokee in Oklahoma said was, you may be part Native American but not Cherokee. He suggested she continue her search with the Choctaw. By omitting names from the Cherokee list, they save millions each year and don't have to pay out a dime to the ones omitted.

You can't go with what the Cherokee Nation says. It is based on lies and omissions.

Besides which --- Warren never applied for Cherokee membership anyway. She never made such a claim, yet the OP and his fellow travellers want to erect that as a strawman as well.

I happen to be Irish but I've never applied for Irish citizenship. They'd be two different things.

Then there are the census forms they'll inevitably bring up, noting ancestors self-reporting as "white" while ignoring the fact that in the genocidal era anyone who could "pass" for white did so as a matter of pure self-preservation.

Even with a DNA test, it isn't proof positive that anyone is Cherokee. It will only state, "Native American". Unlike yours and mine "Irish" the Irish show different in a DNA than any American Indian Tribe.

Process is straightforward. You show documented evidence your ancestor is listed in the Dawes rolls, which is a list of Cherokee tribe members from around 1900.

Warren never claimed to be on the Dawes Rolls. Not even close. Your argument is complete bullshit.

Then she lied by falsely claiming membership of the Cherokee people.

No Punky --- ****YOU**** just lied by claiming she claimed that.

Go ahead ---- just try to prove me wrong.

Moreover the Warren family heritage cites not just Cherokee but Lenape as well. We just mentioned that where lost-marbles-boi tried to tie her to Jeffrey Fucking Amherst.

 

[Rustic]

Besides which --- Warren never applied for Cherokee membership anyway. She never made such a claim, yet the OP and his fellow travellers want to erect that as a strawman as well.

I happen to be Irish but I've never applied for Irish citizenship. They'd be two different things.

Then there are the census forms they'll inevitably bring up, noting ancestors self-reporting as "white" while ignoring the fact that in the genocidal era anyone who could "pass" for white did so as a matter of pure self-preservation.

Even with a DNA test, it isn't proof positive that anyone is Cherokee. It will only state, "Native American". Unlike yours and mine "Irish" the Irish show different in a DNA than any American Indian Tribe.

Process is straightforward. You show documented evidence your ancestor is listed in the Dawes rolls, which is a list of Cherokee tribe members from around 1900.

Warren never claimed to be on the Dawes Rolls. Not even close. Your argument is complete bullshit.

Then she lied by falsely claiming membership of the Cherokee people.

No Punky --- ****YOU**** just lied by claiming she claimed that.

Go ahead ---- just try to prove me wrong.

It’s painfully obvious that you suck far too much Elizabeth Warren ass... lol

 

[Wyatt earp]

Here is a problem with that. I have a Cherokee Heritage along with European. The Cherokee keep painstaking records of who is a Cherokee. The problem is, they excluded quite a few from those logs. If you aren't on the logs then your claim is not considered valid even if you are part Cherokee. If you can prove that you are Cherokee or a decendent of a Cherokee of a certain percentage, you get a cut in the millions that Cherokee generate each year in income for the Tribe. My sister tried to find out about this. What the Cherokee in Oklahoma said was, you may be part Native American but not Cherokee. He suggested she continue her search with the Choctaw. By omitting names from the Cherokee list, they save millions each year and don't have to pay out a dime to the ones omitted.

You can't go with what the Cherokee Nation says. It is based on lies and omissions.

Besides which --- Warren never applied for Cherokee membership anyway. She never made such a claim, yet the OP and his fellow travellers want to erect that as a strawman as well.

I happen to be Irish but I've never applied for Irish citizenship. They'd be two different things.

Then there are the census forms they'll inevitably bring up, noting ancestors self-reporting as "white" while ignoring the fact that in the genocidal era anyone who could "pass" for white did so as a matter of pure self-preservation.

Even with a DNA test, it isn't proof positive that anyone is Cherokee. It will only state, "Native American". Unlike yours and mine "Irish" the Irish show different in a DNA than any American Indian Tribe.

Ultimately that isn't the point anyway; even if a DNA test could offer conclusive proof and even if Warren did one just to placate them, it wouldn't.

Nor would it address their fallacy "she lied" -- which in order to prove requires that both (a) she has no such ancestry and (b) that she knew that when she claimed it. Obviously they can't do that so they shunt off to fake arguments like "DNA tests" to prove their own strawmen.

She said it with deceit to get special status as a minority ...
.

Again ---- LINK???






Yeah exactly. Crickets keep on chirpin'. That means you lose.

 

[ColonelAngus]

She lied about having Native American ancestry.
She benefited personally, politically and financially from that lie.

Anyone defending her is a straight up asshole.

If you are defending her, would you defend Nikki Haley if she did the exact same thing?

I didn’t think so.

 

[Weatherman2020]

Besides which --- Warren never applied for Cherokee membership anyway. She never made such a claim, yet the OP and his fellow travellers want to erect that as a strawman as well.

I happen to be Irish but I've never applied for Irish citizenship. They'd be two different things.

Then there are the census forms they'll inevitably bring up, noting ancestors self-reporting as "white" while ignoring the fact that in the genocidal era anyone who could "pass" for white did so as a matter of pure self-preservation.

Even with a DNA test, it isn't proof positive that anyone is Cherokee. It will only state, "Native American". Unlike yours and mine "Irish" the Irish show different in a DNA than any American Indian Tribe.

Process is straightforward. You show documented evidence your ancestor is listed in the Dawes rolls, which is a list of Cherokee tribe members from around 1900.

Nice one. My Great Grandmother was born to an White Indian Agent and a Cherokee Maid. She predates that roll. Therefore, all of us know we are part Cherokee but will not be on that roll. She never got a Birth Certificate and was NOT born on the Cherokee Strip. She was born at the Agents Home which was Federal Property. She, like her mother were never on the roll. That roll is bogus.

There are other rolls too. It's the legal method, like it or not.

I know. Still, there are millions that are not on that role that share Cherokee Blood somewhere in the blood line. And DNA testing is unconclusive since it won't seperate out which tribe, only Native Amerian.

Even DNA is a dart board. Just read an article showing 4 different results from 4 companies. All came out different. There's two problems. First is verified database is limited. Second is we are so diverse now we all have a little of something in our DNA.

 

[Cecilie1200]

This will never go away for Pocahontas....her disgusting lies about being Native American and using that lie for personal and political gain is absolutely unconscionable....she is supposed to be a liberal who fights for the underclass, not exploit their victimhood for her own selfish reasons.

She should resign,


Elizabeth Warren’s Native American problem goes beyond politics - The Boston Globe

“The problem with Elizabeth Warren is she is not the average wannabe,” said David Cornsilk, a Cherokee historian and genealogist. “She is an academic. She has a higher level of aptitude to examine these issues. And a higher responsibility to examine them, and accept the research that is done, or to counter it with alternative research.”

Cornsilk described himself as a liberal who supports Warren’s agenda of attacking income inequality. “Warren could be an ally,” Cornsilk said. “But she will not be an ally that we will accept if she continues to claim Cherokee and Delaware heritage without proof.”

Cornsilk wants Warren to offer a full apology that acknowledges that she made claims without proof, that those claims have been damaging, and that she will work to repair that damage.

“It is a fundamental issue of who we are and who gets to decide that,” Cornsilk said.

I'd have to check, but I believe it's actually illegal to present yourself as an American Indian for profit without being an actual, registered member of a tribe. It happens all too often in the Southwest, with people trying to present their craftwork as "Native American" and being shut down because they're not tribe members, even when they actually DO have documented heritage.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Besides which --- Warren never applied for Cherokee membership anyway. She never made such a claim, yet the OP and his fellow travellers want to erect that as a strawman as well.

I happen to be Irish but I've never applied for Irish citizenship. They'd be two different things.

Then there are the census forms they'll inevitably bring up, noting ancestors self-reporting as "white" while ignoring the fact that in the genocidal era anyone who could "pass" for white did so as a matter of pure self-preservation.

Even with a DNA test, it isn't proof positive that anyone is Cherokee. It will only state, "Native American". Unlike yours and mine "Irish" the Irish show different in a DNA than any American Indian Tribe.

Process is straightforward. You show documented evidence your ancestor is listed in the Dawes rolls, which is a list of Cherokee tribe members from around 1900.

Warren never claimed to be on the Dawes Rolls. Not even close. Your argument is complete bullshit.

Then she lied by falsely claiming membership of the Cherokee people.

No Punky --- ****YOU**** just lied by claiming she claimed that.

Go ahead ---- just try to prove me wrong.

Moreover the Warren family heritage cites not just Cherokee but Lenape as well. We just mentioned that where lost-marbles-boi tried to tie her to Jeffrey Fucking Amherst.

One cannot prove a negative. It's not up to me to prove she said what you say she said, it's up to you to prove your own statement.

BTW, I am a Member of the millions of Western Americans with Cherokee Blood NOT on the roll.

 

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Besides which --- Warren never applied for Cherokee membership anyway. She never made such a claim, yet the OP and his fellow travellers want to erect that as a strawman as well.

I happen to be Irish but I've never applied for Irish citizenship. They'd be two different things.

Then there are the census forms they'll inevitably bring up, noting ancestors self-reporting as "white" while ignoring the fact that in the genocidal era anyone who could "pass" for white did so as a matter of pure self-preservation.

Even with a DNA test, it isn't proof positive that anyone is Cherokee. It will only state, "Native American". Unlike yours and mine "Irish" the Irish show different in a DNA than any American Indian Tribe.

Process is straightforward. You show documented evidence your ancestor is listed in the Dawes rolls, which is a list of Cherokee tribe members from around 1900.

Warren never claimed to be on the Dawes Rolls. Not even close. Your argument is complete bullshit.

Then she lied by falsely claiming membership of the Cherokee people.

No Punky --- ****YOU**** just lied by claiming she claimed that.

Go ahead ---- just try to prove me wrong.

Moreover the Warren family heritage cites not just Cherokee but Lenape as well. We just mentioned that where lost-marbles-boi tried to tie her to Jeffrey Fucking Amherst.

Dumbass, I never claimed she claimed to be linked to the Dawes rolls. You're a joke liar defending a liar.

 

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She lied about having Native American ancestry.

You were asked ---- AGAIN --- exactly 78 posts ago for any evidence of that.

You ran away.

You FAILED.

Now here you are again, emptyhanded again and expecting different results. Are you retarded?

She benefited personally, politically and financially from that lie.

AGAIN --- where's the evidence? Where's the link? See you in 78 more posts when you come slithering back hoping everybody forgot about this one.

Fucking demented dickhead.

 

[Pogo]

Even with a DNA test, it isn't proof positive that anyone is Cherokee. It will only state, "Native American". Unlike yours and mine "Irish" the Irish show different in a DNA than any American Indian Tribe.

Process is straightforward. You show documented evidence your ancestor is listed in the Dawes rolls, which is a list of Cherokee tribe members from around 1900.

Warren never claimed to be on the Dawes Rolls. Not even close. Your argument is complete bullshit.

Then she lied by falsely claiming membership of the Cherokee people.

No Punky --- ****YOU**** just lied by claiming she claimed that.

Go ahead ---- just try to prove me wrong.

Moreover the Warren family heritage cites not just Cherokee but Lenape as well. We just mentioned that where lost-marbles-boi tried to tie her to Jeffrey Fucking Amherst.

One cannot prove a negative. It's not up to me to prove she said what you say she said, it's up to you to prove your own statement.

BTW, I am a Member of the millions of Western Americans with Cherokee Blood NOT on the roll.

Why are you sending these Weatherman replies to me? I haven't been making these points.