Nelson Mandela dead

So CNN has connection with the koch brothers? really I suggested that you seek help for that delusion you have.

TARP occurred in late 2008!

Almost an entire year earlier in December in 2007 Ron Paul staged the 1st Tea Party event.

Nationwide Tax Protests: Party Like It?s 2007

As activists across the country hold national tea parties today, April 15, 2009, Campaign for Liberty president John Tate issued the following statement:

“The concept of the modern day Tea Party began on December 16, 2007 when supporters of Ron Paul’s presidential campaign came together and raised over $6 million online in one day. The tremendous success of that event led activists in the freedom movement and members of the Campaign for Liberty to begin planning today’s Tax Day Tea Parties.

“Success always brings company, and it is very positive that so many conservatives, libertarians, Republicans, constitutionalists and even progressives have come together and joined our efforts. All Americans who are sincere about cutting out of control government spending are welcome to stand with Dr. Paul and the Campaign for Liberty as we fight to take our country back.”

The FACTS prove that you are both gullible and brainwashed.

Who was president in 2008?
I used the CNN LINK.

Your link erroneously alleged that the Tea Party was founded as a reaction to TARP in late 2008. The FACTS show that it was up and running in 2007. Epic fail on your part but par for the course for gullible brainwashed chumps!
 
Still a communist that will not change.
How are things in south Africa?

12 years after the fact? The stabilizing influence is gone. Mandela couldn't coddle the South African people forever. Just because you say he's a communist will not make it so. Mere insistence will not win you any arguments where facts are involved.

There never was a stabilizing influence. The entire ANC government of South Africa had one purpose, to redistibute the confiscated property from the whites to the blacks. As long as it was performing that duty, it was functioning. Now that's griding down, there is less and less to redistribute. The government is ceasing to function.

Nelson Mandela said the was a communist. He wrote a book about it that is still in print you can get your own copy at Barnes and Noble. If you want it as an e-book, it's free. There is no reason to disbelieve him when he said he was a communist.

Unless you can substantiate that claim, I will dismiss it without a second thought. You keep repeating yourself, but you never back any of it up. Given that you've probably not read the book yourself, you can't say for certainty that he claimed to be a communist. As a previous poster explained, he could have embraced certain facets of communism to enhance the greater whole. That still doesn't make him a communist.

During my lifetime I have dedicated myself to this struggle of the African people. I have fought white domination, and I have fought black domination. I have cherished the ideal of a democratic and free society in which all persons live together in harmony and with equal opportunities. It is an ideal which I hope live for and achieve. But if needs be, it is an ideal for which I am prepared to die.

Nelson Mandela, 1964

Now, does that sound like a Communist to you?
 
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Communist or not seems irrelevant. In fact, so is the fact that he is dead, and receives any recognition for anything. He was imprisoned as the leader of a armed insurrection against the government of South Africa. So have many Islamist Extremist been imprisoned for arming themselves in opposition to governments, including the USA.

The difference is that Mandela was a US Media Darling, and still is. Many advertisements were sold in papers and in TV telling, retelling, and retelling again Mandela's story, and with each public appearance, the media value grew. Presidents and celebrities wanted their pictures taken with Mandela.

I'm certain he was a nice fellow, but the Hyperventillating Media is sickening in their obvious desire to manufacture celebrity, and to capitalize on it.

Mandela never sought celebrity.
 
"...Excuse me I meant your attempt is still not taking away from him being a communist."
Then he was a Communist, who overcame that 'handicap'.

Next slide, please.

Still a communist that will not change.
Conceded; an actual Communist, or someone roughly akin to a Communist or Uber-Socialist.

"...How are things in south Africa?"
Not so great, from what I hear; economic problems, corruption, etc.; the usual pattern of socio-political-economic devolution when many ill-prepared native populations suddenly take the reins of power from more experienced hands.

I could not say how much of those troubles are attributed to Mandela versus the ANC after Mandela's tenure as a leader had ended, or even other factors, or who and what are being engaged in an effort to remedy those deficiencies.

Mandela is not being judged by the peoples of the world for the present-day economic success of his country.

Mandela is being judged for the inclusive and forgiving manner in which he oversaw The Transition from Minority Apartheid to Popular Rule - after all that he had been through.

A lot of folks are willing to concede (a) that Mandela was a Communist or Communist -like activist and leader and (b) that things are not going well at present in South Africa.

But none of that detracts in the slightest from what he IS being judged for, by the world at large.
 
This story was featured on CNN last night. I had never heard of this.

Glad South Africa had such a leader--if it is possible to compare him to anyone in US history--I suppose it would be Abraham Lincoln?

He touched so many lives.

Nelson Mandela and the Springboks: Rugby played for higher stakes - latimes.com

The buzz is that the film 'Mandela' may receive special recognition at the academy awards--maybe an Oscar for Elba, who played Mandela. Not expected to win best picture. frt.
 
Communist or not seems irrelevant. In fact, so is the fact that he is dead, and receives any recognition for anything. He was imprisoned as the leader of a armed insurrection against the government of South Africa. So have many Islamist Extremist been imprisoned for arming themselves in opposition to governments, including the USA.

The difference is that Mandela was a US Media Darling, and still is. Many advertisements were sold in papers and in TV telling, retelling, and retelling again Mandela's story, and with each public appearance, the media value grew. Presidents and celebrities wanted their pictures taken with Mandela.

I'm certain he was a nice fellow, but the Hyperventillating Media is sickening in their obvious desire to manufacture celebrity, and to capitalize on it.

This post is truly laughable, completely ludicrous. The US media caused Mandela to be a celebrity? The media manufactured his fame, and capitalized upon it in what way exactly? You are delusional, and that's putting the best slant on what you have to say here.

Mandela is known world wide. The US did not create his fame, and there is no way in hell the US has been able to capitalize upon it. Mandela is an important person in the history of the past century. He is because of what he did and who he is; no one manufactured that. Those, perhaps, most responsible for creating his being known world wide are the apartheid regime who put him away for 27 years just to keep him quiet. A corrupt, evil regime that countries all over the world put sanctions on because of apartheid.

Your post is one of the stupidest posts I've read yet on Mandela over the past couple of days, and that's saying something. Get help, you are mentally ill.
 
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"...Excuse me I meant your attempt is still not taking away from him being a communist."
Then he was a Communist, who overcame that 'handicap'.

Next slide, please.

Still a communist that will not change.
How are things in south Africa?

Libertarian paradise by the looks of it. Small government, budget deficit at 4.2 percent of GDP and falling, deregulated free market economy, rampant crime requires you to carry a gun with you everywhere you go, sounds just like what you want to have here.
 
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It's futile talking to these haters...
 
Then he was a Communist, who overcame that 'handicap'.

Next slide, please.

Still a communist that will not change.
How are things in south Africa?

12 years after the fact? The stabilizing influence is gone. Mandela couldn't coddle the South African people forever. Just because you say he's a communist will not make it so. Mere insistence will not win you any arguments where facts are involved.

I told you I'm not the only one saying it.
And just because you say he's not doesn't make that true either.
 
TARP occurred in late 2008!

Almost an entire year earlier in December in 2007 Ron Paul staged the 1st Tea Party event.

Nationwide Tax Protests: Party Like It?s 2007



The FACTS prove that you are both gullible and brainwashed.

Who was president in 2008?
I used the CNN LINK.

Your link erroneously alleged that the Tea Party was founded as a reaction to TARP in late 2008. The FACTS show that it was up and running in 2007. Epic fail on your part but par for the course for gullible brainwashed chumps!

Once again all one has to do is look at the acronym of TEA to understand that it was started over bushes taxes.
 
Who was president in 2008?
I used the CNN LINK.

Your link erroneously alleged that the Tea Party was founded as a reaction to TARP in late 2008. The FACTS show that it was up and running in 2007. Epic fail on your part but par for the course for gullible brainwashed chumps!

Once again all one has to do is look at the acronym of TEA to understand that it was started over bushes taxes.

Your inability to admit when you are wrong exposes your lack of honesty and integrity.
 
Your link erroneously alleged that the Tea Party was founded as a reaction to TARP in late 2008. The FACTS show that it was up and running in 2007. Epic fail on your part but par for the course for gullible brainwashed chumps!

Once again all one has to do is look at the acronym of TEA to understand that it was started over bushes taxes.

Your inability to admit when you are wrong exposes your lack of honesty and integrity.

I'm not wrong you are.
The Taxed Enough Already party was protesting bush
 
Well, no matter. Whatever it took to end Apartheid, if that was him that had to be at the center of it, so be it. It was a blight on humanity.

Looking at it that way Mandela's evil was necessary to overcome the greater evil. Excep that it wasn't necessary. DeKlerk didn't negotiate an end to apartheid because of what Mandela did, but because he couldn't do anything else.
 

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