Neofascism

[bripat9643]

Those on the far right who claim to be conservatives and call all of us who question their ideology "commies", "Marxists", "Socialists" and "Leftists" (among other pejoratives) need to be called exactly what they are: Neo fascists.

From the Encyclopedia Britannica:

"Neo fascism is a political philosophy and movement that arose in Europe in the decades following World War II. Like earlier fascist movements, neo fascism advocated extreme nationalism, opposed liberal individualism, attacked Marxist and other left-wing ideologies, indulged in racist and xenophobic scapegoating, and promoted populist right-wing economic programs. Unlike the fascists, however, neo fascist's placed more blame for their countries’ problems on non-European immigrants than on leftists and Jews"

Why do they hide behind a misnomer label, they're in no way or manner real conservatives? Neo fascists support economic policies which benefit the Corporate America and the power elite. As corporatist's many who support such policies are not in the same class as the rich and powerful; why they do is an interesting question best left to the psychologists.

In other words, "neo fascist" is just a commie pejorative meaning "conservative."

If there is any group that engages in racial scapegoating, it's libturds like you who blame white males for every social problem.

 

[Edgetho]

Before WWII, Hitler's National Socialists were called just that -- National Socialists. Because that's what they were.

'Triumph of The Will' (the greatest propaganda film ever made) played for 2 hours and never one time referred to themselves as anything other than what they were -- National Socialists.

Because, that's what they were. They were National Socialists.

After Hitler invaded the USSR, Stalin started referring to them as 'Fascists' which, of course, they were NOT.

But Stalin didn't like the word 'socialist' applied to his mortal enemy -- Hitler, so he started encouraging American and British papers to use the word 'Fascist'. Which the Nazis were NOT. They were National Socialists.

Mussolini was a Fascist.

Hitler was a National Socialist.

In fact, during WWII, you could tell which papers leaned toward communism and which didn't by their insistent use of the word 'Fascist' to describe the Nazis.

"Nazi" was a German nickname, or abbreviation, for the National Socialist German Workers Party. Which is a mouth full. So it's completely understandable.

People who conflate Fascism and National Socialism are too stupid to be on a Political Message Board. Do some studying first

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Those on the far right who claim to be conservatives and call all of us who question their ideology "commies", "Marxists", "Socialists" and "Leftists" (among other pejoratives) need to be called exactly what they are: Neo fascists.

From the Encyclopedia Britannica:

"Neo fascism is a political philosophy and movement that arose in Europe in the decades following World War II. Like earlier fascist movements, neo fascism advocated extreme nationalism, opposed liberal individualism, attacked Marxist and other left-wing ideologies, indulged in racist and xenophobic scapegoating, and promoted populist right-wing economic programs. Unlike the fascists, however, neo fascist's placed more blame for their countries’ problems on non-European immigrants than on leftists and Jews"

Why do they hide behind a misnomer label, they're in no way or manner real conservatives? Neo fascists support economic policies which benefit the Corporate America and the power elite. As corporatist's many who support such policies are not in the same class as the rich and powerful; why they do is an interesting question best left to the psychologists.

However tempting, to mimic the ignorance of the right is not a solution.

Exposing the ignorance and hate of conservatives is the best way to proceed.

 

[bripat9643]

Neofascism : See Obama and The Democrats

Democrats support "populist right-wing economic programs?"

 

[JakeStarkey]

Anarchists have nothing worthwhile to say about the American experiment.

Yes, neo-facism is strong in the ultra right; it also has a leftist base economically.

 

[bripat9643]

1. for socialism, I agree there are different levels of this. A fundamental socialist on another forum argued that what conservatives oppose as socialism is not true socialism where the govt LITERALLY owns the business or property and assets; just controlling it from federal govt is NOT LITERALLY socialism by its strict fundamental meaning.

However, in terms of wanting "govt control" YES the Leftwing push to override free market choices in PAYING for health care is "relatively" socialism in CONTRAST with relative free market/capitalism.
The capitalism we have now is NOT LITERALLY free market EITHER because corporations have unequal rights as people but greater freedom and ability to manipulate political regulations giving them unfair advantage. So technically this is NOT LITERALLY FREE ENTERPRISE as the conservatives claim as free market; it is still manipulated through govt.

NEITHER side is "literally" the labels as portrayed, but only "relatively" in RELATION to where the other is coming from.

2. on the left side, the left is equally guilty of namecalling the conservatives as
RACIST instead of addressing or correcting the real problem
Where the problem is excluding people equal free market, free choice, and constitutional equal protections, because of POLITICAL biases, YES you can blame conservatives for that.

But it is because "they are contradicting their own Constitutional principles" by not checking against abuses. Blindly labeling people as "racist" or "against women/poor" is not accurate and not addressing or solving the problem either.

3. so both sides are equally guilty of using political bullying by label, exclusion, division and coercion. we are better off focusing on WHERE we fail to include everyone equally and work on CORRECTIONS, not just abusing labels to justify projecting blame and rejection.
When people on both sides recognize how wasteful and destructive this is, maybe we can do more to work together to fix it since it is a mutual problem due to adversarial politics.

Those on the far right who claim to be conservatives and call all of us who question their ideology "commies", "Marxists", "Socialists" and "Leftists" (among other pejoratives) need to be called exactly what they are: Neo fascists.

From the Encyclopedia Britannica:

"Neo fascism is a political philosophy and movement that arose in Europe in the decades following World War II. Like earlier fascist movements, neo fascism advocated extreme nationalism, opposed liberal individualism, attacked Marxist and other left-wing ideologies, indulged in racist and xenophobic scapegoating, and promoted populist right-wing economic programs. Unlike the fascists, however, neo fascist's placed more blame for their countries’ problems on non-European immigrants than on leftists and Jews"

Why do they hide behind a misnomer label, they're in no way or manner real conservatives? Neo fascists support economic policies which benefit the Corporate America and the power elite. As corporatist's many who support such policies are not in the same class as the rich and powerful; why they do is an interesting question best left to the psychologists.

I appreciate you thoughtful post with this caveat, there is ample evidence to prove the biases and prejudices of the current far right, and thus sufficient evidence to prove that labeling them as Neo fascists is historically accurate.

There isn't any such "proof." The term itself is total horseshit. It's just an insulting label for conservatives. However, "commie" is a perfectly accurate label for you and your ilk. That's why you need to make up these terms for your critics. the best defense is a good offence, eh?

 

[Wry Catcher]

The truth about fascism is that it's essentially directly related to socialism. Saying that they're opposite ideologies is like saying that the Crips and the Bloods are completely opposite. The only real difference is in their minds and in their rhetoric. Fascism is correctly defined as state management of the economic system, and this is essentially what both political parties are pushing.

There is no direct nexus between fascism and socialism; fascism is despotic and thus business, industry and public transportation are all under the direction of the despotic leader, sometimes as allies for mutual benefit. The trains run on time not because they are owned by the state, but because anyone who reported a late train got shot.

See: Military dictatorship of Chile (1973?90) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"On the economical plane the dictatorship implemented long-lasting neoliberal reforms in collaboration with various economists dubbed the "Chicago Boys". The regime did not only re-privatized some previously expropriated property but also privatized part of the education and healthcare system. As of 2014, these economical reforms have been untouched or deepened by all of the subsequent democratic governments. Despite neoliberal reforms mining company Codelco remained under state control providing a substantial part of the state income."

 

[Ame®icano]

Those on the far right who claim to be conservatives and call all of us who question their ideology "commies", "Marxists", "Socialists" and "Leftists" (among other pejoratives) need to be called exactly what they are: Neo fascists.

From the Encyclopedia Britannica:

"Neo fascism is a political philosophy and movement that arose in Europe in the decades following World War II. Like earlier fascist movements, neo fascism advocated extreme nationalism, opposed liberal individualism, attacked Marxist and other left-wing ideologies, indulged in racist and xenophobic scapegoating, and promoted populist right-wing economic programs. Unlike the fascists, however, neo fascist's placed more blame for their countries’ problems on non-European immigrants than on leftists and Jews"

Why do they hide behind a misnomer label, they're in no way or manner real conservatives? Neo fascists support economic policies which benefit the Corporate America and the power elite. As corporatist's many who support such policies are not in the same class as the rich and powerful; why they do is an interesting question best left to the psychologists.

So you're basically saying that commies, socialists, Marxists are good guys and anyone who is against them are bad guys. And you're good guy too, right?

 

[Wry Catcher]

1. for socialism, I agree there are different levels of this. A fundamental socialist on another forum argued that what conservatives oppose as socialism is not true socialism where the govt LITERALLY owns the business or property and assets; just controlling it from federal govt is NOT LITERALLY socialism by its strict fundamental meaning.

However, in terms of wanting "govt control" YES the Leftwing push to override free market choices in PAYING for health care is "relatively" socialism in CONTRAST with relative free market/capitalism.
The capitalism we have now is NOT LITERALLY free market EITHER because corporations have unequal rights as people but greater freedom and ability to manipulate political regulations giving them unfair advantage. So technically this is NOT LITERALLY FREE ENTERPRISE as the conservatives claim as free market; it is still manipulated through govt.

NEITHER side is "literally" the labels as portrayed, but only "relatively" in RELATION to where the other is coming from.

2. on the left side, the left is equally guilty of namecalling the conservatives as
RACIST instead of addressing or correcting the real problem
Where the problem is excluding people equal free market, free choice, and constitutional equal protections, because of POLITICAL biases, YES you can blame conservatives for that.

But it is because "they are contradicting their own Constitutional principles" by not checking against abuses. Blindly labeling people as "racist" or "against women/poor" is not accurate and not addressing or solving the problem either.

3. so both sides are equally guilty of using political bullying by label, exclusion, division and coercion. we are better off focusing on WHERE we fail to include everyone equally and work on CORRECTIONS, not just abusing labels to justify projecting blame and rejection.
When people on both sides recognize how wasteful and destructive this is, maybe we can do more to work together to fix it since it is a mutual problem due to adversarial politics.

I appreciate you thoughtful post with this caveat, there is ample evidence to prove the biases and prejudices of the current far right, and thus sufficient evidence to prove that labeling them as Neo fascists is historically accurate.

There isn't any such "proof." The term itself is total horseshit. It's just an insulting label for conservatives. However, "commie" is a perfectly accurate label for you and your ilk. That's why you need to make up these terms for your critics. the best defense is a good offence, eh?

I didn't make up the term Neo fascist nor the definition. As for proof, take the definition and go back and read your previous posts. Not only are they mostly pathologically angry, but they define you as a Neo fascist. You may want to go back to all of my posts and try to prove I'm a "commie". Good luck with that.

 

[blackhawk]

Trying to label and vilify people is the sign of a closed mind doesn't matter what side it's on.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Those on the far right who claim to be conservatives and call all of us who question their ideology "commies", "Marxists", "Socialists" and "Leftists" (among other pejoratives) need to be called exactly what they are: Neo fascists.

From the Encyclopedia Britannica:

"Neo fascism is a political philosophy and movement that arose in Europe in the decades following World War II. Like earlier fascist movements, neo fascism advocated extreme nationalism, opposed liberal individualism, attacked Marxist and other left-wing ideologies, indulged in racist and xenophobic scapegoating, and promoted populist right-wing economic programs. Unlike the fascists, however, neo fascist's placed more blame for their countries’ problems on non-European immigrants than on leftists and Jews"

Why do they hide behind a misnomer label, they're in no way or manner real conservatives? Neo fascists support economic policies which benefit the Corporate America and the power elite. As corporatist's many who support such policies are not in the same class as the rich and powerful; why they do is an interesting question best left to the psychologists.

So you're basically saying that commies, socialists, Marxists are good guys and anyone who is against them are bad guys. And you're good guy too, right?

No I didn't "basically" say anything of the kind. How you inferred such a thing is also something to ask a psychologist.

 

[Avatar4321]

Those on the far right who claim to be conservatives and call all of us who question their ideology "commies", "Marxists", "Socialists" and "Leftists" (among other pejoratives) need to be called exactly what they are: Neo fascists.

From the Encyclopedia Britannica:

"Neo fascism is a political philosophy and movement that arose in Europe in the decades following World War II. Like earlier fascist movements, neo fascism advocated extreme nationalism, opposed liberal individualism, attacked Marxist and other left-wing ideologies, indulged in racist and xenophobic scapegoating, and promoted populist right-wing economic programs. Unlike the fascists, however, neo fascist's placed more blame for their countries’ problems on non-European immigrants than on leftists and Jews"

Why do they hide behind a misnomer label, they're in no way or manner real conservatives? Neo fascists support economic policies which benefit the Corporate America and the power elite. As corporatist's many who support such policies are not in the same class as the rich and powerful; why they do is an interesting question best left to the psychologists.

You realize that simply by having a government economic program, you cease to be right wing. The right is pushing to restore power to individuals rather than government.

Opposed individualism? Then why is it we have to keep reminding you we are individuals not classes, races, or any other designation you can come up with to divide us?

The ironic thing about this is your definition describes you far more than it does limited government Conservatives.

 

[The T]

Those on the far right who claim to be conservatives and call all of us who question their ideology "commies", "Marxists", "Socialists" and "Leftists" (among other pejoratives) need to be called exactly what they are: Neo fascists.

From the Encyclopedia Britannica:

"Neo fascism is a political philosophy and movement that arose in Europe in the decades following World War II. Like earlier fascist movements, neo fascism advocated extreme nationalism, opposed liberal individualism, attacked Marxist and other left-wing ideologies, indulged in racist and xenophobic scapegoating, and promoted populist right-wing economic programs. Unlike the fascists, however, neo fascist's placed more blame for their countries’ problems on non-European immigrants than on leftists and Jews"

Why do they hide behind a misnomer label, they're in no way or manner real conservatives? Neo fascists support economic policies which benefit the Corporate America and the power elite. As corporatist's many who support such policies are not in the same class as the rich and powerful; why they do is an interesting question best left to the psychologists.

You realize that simply by having a government economic program, you cease to be right wing. The right is pushing to restore power to individuals rather than government.

Opposed individualism? Then why is it we have to keep reminding you we are individuals not classes, races, or any other designation you can come up with to divide us?

The ironic thing about this is your definition describes you far more than it does limited government Conservatives.

Dead on accurate.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

The truth about fascism is that it's essentially directly related to socialism. Saying that they're opposite ideologies is like saying that the Crips and the Bloods are completely opposite. The only real difference is in their minds and in their rhetoric. Fascism is correctly defined as state management of the economic system, and this is essentially what both political parties are pushing.

There is no direct nexus between fascism and socialism; fascism is despotic and thus business, industry and public transportation are all under the direction of the despotic leader, sometimes as allies for mutual benefit. The trains run on time not because they are owned by the state, but because anyone who reported a late train got shot.

See: Military dictatorship of Chile (1973?90) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"On the economical plane the dictatorship implemented long-lasting neoliberal reforms in collaboration with various economists dubbed the "Chicago Boys". The regime did not only re-privatized some previously expropriated property but also privatized part of the education and healthcare system. As of 2014, these economical reforms have been untouched or deepened by all of the subsequent democratic governments. Despite neoliberal reforms mining company Codelco remained under state control providing a substantial part of the state income."

Are they really allies if one side of that equation has no choice in the matter?

Can you give us a definition differentiating between socialism and fascism?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Neo-Fascism: Who Am I?

I suffer from Narcissistic Personality Disorder

My father was a Communist, a government employee and had multiple children with several woman

My father was not interested in my Mom and I, so he abandoned us; we moved around a lot when I was young

I was not raised in the country that elected me

In my mid 30’s I wrote an autobiography highlighting my early years, political ideas, and thoughts on race

I then wrote a second book further describing my political ideas and ambitions

I’ve always maintained an exaggerated sense of self-importance

I require constant admiration

I believe in Universal Health Care

I believe capitalism is evil

I am an anti-Semite

I believe in curtailing the rights of the people to own guns

I used economic turmoil to springboard myself to political power

I destroy my political enemies

I love using Grecian Temples as a backdrop to give speeches

Louis Farakan thought very highly of me

One of my very first actions was to seize control of my nation’s car companies

 

[bripat9643]

I appreciate you thoughtful post with this caveat, there is ample evidence to prove the biases and prejudices of the current far right, and thus sufficient evidence to prove that labeling them as Neo fascists is historically accurate.

If the left does not equally recognize its political "fascism" relative to the right,
then that is what the objection is to.

The SPIRIT of the opposition which is NOT INCLUSION
as the left CLAIMS to respect "diversity and inclusion."

If the left is BULLYING and does not recognize it, but faults only the opposition
THAT is why there is no credibility, but leftists are argued as suffering from
"mental denial and disease" This comes across as projection like any other type of
alcohol or drug addicted person who says "it's not me, I'm a victim of other people."

What you see from your viewpoint, looking at the right from the left,
mirrors what they see happening looking at the left from the right.

If we keep clinging to defenses on one side, the other side clings more in return!

(I call this the "Chinese finger trap syndrome" where both fingers pointing get
stuck in the same trap; and only when we all "push toward each other" can we be freed.
But as long as sides REJECT and pull away, they both remain stuck in the mutual trap.)

First of all I'm not a leftist, though many choose to characterize me in that way.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

You leftists kill me.

Secondly, I am not speaking about either political party, the neo fascists may vote for Republicans but are not in any way, shape or form believers in leaders such as Lincoln, TR, IKE or even Nixon.

Few Republicans believe in any of the presidents you list. Indeed, you listed a bunch of true new-fascists - especially Lincoln and TR. Both were a couple of strutting, bellicose tyrants.

A close reading of the definition of Neo fascist, taken from the Encyclopedia Britannica, cannot be separated from the rhetoric of those who claim the mantle of conservatism.

No duh? The commie who invented the term simply took the definition of "conservative" and relabeled it "neo-fascist." It's purely a term of commie propaganda. It has no connection with any kind of objective reality.

It seems you want to hold the middle ground, and place blame for the schism which continues to grow between factions within the former GOP, and those of us who oppose the radicalism which has overtaken the Republican Party, on the two party system. That is not what this thread is about. I'm not defending the Democrats, I'm simply pointing out how extreme the Republican Party has become and the direction they are heading.

What you are doing is engaging in the time worn tradition of sleazy leftist name-calling. There isn't a thing enlightening or honest about your OP. It's the ultimate in big lies.

 

[bripat9643]

The truth about fascism is that it's essentially directly related to socialism. Saying that they're opposite ideologies is like saying that the Crips and the Bloods are completely opposite. The only real difference is in their minds and in their rhetoric. Fascism is correctly defined as state management of the economic system, and this is essentially what both political parties are pushing.

There is no direct nexus between fascism and socialism; fascism is despotic and thus business, industry and public transportation are all under the direction of the despotic leader, sometimes as allies for mutual benefit. The trains run on time not because they are owned by the state, but because anyone who reported a late train got shot.

So how is socialism any different?

See: Military dictatorship of Chile (1973?90) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"On the economical plane the dictatorship implemented long-lasting neoliberal reforms in collaboration with various economists dubbed the "Chicago Boys". The regime did not only re-privatized some previously expropriated property but also privatized part of the education and healthcare system. As of 2014, these economical reforms have been untouched or deepened by all of the subsequent democratic governments. Despite neoliberal reforms mining company Codelco remained under state control providing a substantial part of the state income."

So what's your point? Neo-fascism is when the government returns property to the people the government stole it from? Private health and education systems are "neo-fascist?" Apparently the United States was "neo-fascist" before WW II. Pinochet was a dictator, but he was the opposite of a fascist. The later group does the opposite of what Pinochet did.

What this makes perfectly clear is that you and the inventor of the term "neo-fascist" are trying to redefine the term to refer to the policy of laizzes faire economics. In other words, exactly the opposite of what it actually means.

That's called "the big lie" technique, and it's typically employed by scumbags.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Neo-Fascism: Who Am I?

a generally silly Frank comment, much of it uncorroborated or placed out of context.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

I appreciate you thoughtful post with this caveat, there is ample evidence to prove the biases and prejudices of the current far right, and thus sufficient evidence to prove that labeling them as Neo fascists is historically accurate.

If the left does not equally recognize its political "fascism" relative to the right,
then that is what the objection is to.

The SPIRIT of the opposition which is NOT INCLUSION
as the left CLAIMS to respect "diversity and inclusion."

If the left is BULLYING and does not recognize it, but faults only the opposition
THAT is why there is no credibility, but leftists are argued as suffering from
"mental denial and disease" This comes across as projection like any other type of
alcohol or drug addicted person who says "it's not me, I'm a victim of other people."

What you see from your viewpoint, looking at the right from the left,
mirrors what they see happening looking at the left from the right.

If we keep clinging to defenses on one side, the other side clings more in return!

(I call this the "Chinese finger trap syndrome" where both fingers pointing get
stuck in the same trap; and only when we all "push toward each other" can we be freed.
But as long as sides REJECT and pull away, they both remain stuck in the mutual trap.)

First of all I'm not a leftist, though many choose to characterize me in that way. Secondly, I am not speaking about either political party, the neo fascists may vote for Republicans but are not in any way, shape or form believers in leaders such as Lincoln, TR, IKE or even Nixon.

A close reading of the definition of Neo fascist, taken from the Encyclopedia Britannica, cannot be separated from the rhetoric of those who claim the mantle of conservatism.

It seems you want to hold the middle ground, and place blame for the schism which continues to grow between factions within the former GOP, and those of us who oppose the radicalism which has overtaken the Republican Party, on the two party system. That is not what this thread is about. I'm not defending the Democrats, I'm simply pointing out how extreme the Republican Party has become and the direction they are heading.

Oh, OK, I figured it out. You're losing badly in court and now you're going to submit your post as evidence as a "Diminished capacity" defense; you cannot be held responsible for your actions because you're a complete fucking retard

 

[The T]

If the left does not equally recognize its political "fascism" relative to the right,
then that is what the objection is to.

The SPIRIT of the opposition which is NOT INCLUSION
as the left CLAIMS to respect "diversity and inclusion."

If the left is BULLYING and does not recognize it, but faults only the opposition
THAT is why there is no credibility, but leftists are argued as suffering from
"mental denial and disease" This comes across as projection like any other type of
alcohol or drug addicted person who says "it's not me, I'm a victim of other people."

What you see from your viewpoint, looking at the right from the left,
mirrors what they see happening looking at the left from the right.

If we keep clinging to defenses on one side, the other side clings more in return!

(I call this the "Chinese finger trap syndrome" where both fingers pointing get
stuck in the same trap; and only when we all "push toward each other" can we be freed.
But as long as sides REJECT and pull away, they both remain stuck in the mutual trap.)

First of all I'm not a leftist, though many choose to characterize me in that way. Secondly, I am not speaking about either political party, the neo fascists may vote for Republicans but are not in any way, shape or form believers in leaders such as Lincoln, TR, IKE or even Nixon.

A close reading of the definition of Neo fascist, taken from the Encyclopedia Britannica, cannot be separated from the rhetoric of those who claim the mantle of conservatism.

It seems you want to hold the middle ground, and place blame for the schism which continues to grow between factions within the former GOP, and those of us who oppose the radicalism which has overtaken the Republican Party, on the two party system. That is not what this thread is about. I'm not defending the Democrats, I'm simply pointing out how extreme the Republican Party has become and the direction they are heading.

Oh, OK, I figured it out. You're losing badly in court and now you're going to submit your post as evidence as a "Diminished capacity" defense; you cannot be held responsible for your actions because you're a complete fucking retard

I believe it.