Nevada to join National Popular Vote compact

[bodecea]

IF you had ever read the Constitution....Article II in particular....you would have known that it is the states that determine how to distribute Electoral College votes. IF you had ever read the Constitution, you would have known this is totally Constitutional. IF.

How is allowing people outside the State determine the State's vote for President a "Republican Form of Government", Something that the Federal Constitution guarantees under Article 4, Clause 1?"

It probably also falls foul of the 14th amendment, requiring equal protection under the law. How does transferring a whole States vote to another voting block provide equal protection?

States Rights to determine how they distribute their Electoral Votes....if the people of that state don't like it that way, they vote in state legislators who set up the state's distribution of Electoral Votes to their liking.

And how does this go against Equal Protection Under the Law? Explain, please.

The States are still bound by the Constitution.

It's the same thing that killed things like the Board of Estimates in NYC, where each Boro had representation regardless of population. The 14th guarantees 1 person, 1 vote. Now a person's vote in a State is meaningless with regards to the IN STATE election for electors, because the outcome would be determined by people OUTSIDE the State.

Exactly...the states are still bound by the Constitution. Now show how this would be against the Constitution.

I pointed it out, Article 4 Clause 1, and the 14th amendment equal protection clause.

That you want to ignore both because you think this end run would suit you isn't my problem.

You talk of both but you don't show how they make what Nevada is doing against the Constitution. I can play that game too.......the 12th Amendment.....there. See?

 

[Polishprince]

The key to this proposal is states will cède their vote as a state in favor of the popular vote

States will not elect the president, the people will
Your vote counts as a citizen of the US not as a resident of a state

Suppose the election was held and President Trump won the majority of the popular vote.

What is to stop a faithless elector in California from saying "fuck it", I'm going to vote for Bite Me or Butt Plug or whoever else the D's nominate? This kind of interstate pact isn't enforceable.

 

[bodecea]

Why are Republicans so upset by this?

Don’t they think they can win the popular vote anymore?

One has to wonder.

What I am really worried about is this backfiring on progressives. Say you do get it passed, and it makes people in "Dead if Red" States vote more. So if the Republican wins the popular vote, and California and NY have to throw their EC's to them, you don't think those States are going to try to back out of the compact before the EV's are counted?

If you morons want a civil war to happen, I can't think of a better way to trigger it.

How ironic.....states rights and the CRCs have a cow against it this time.

States right's aren't absolute, nothing is absolute. Progressives claim absolutism when it suits them far more than my side.

State's rights are not absolute when they go against what the Constitution has put down as how things are done.....now show us exactly where the Constitution says that states cannot change how they distribute EC votes. Remember, it's been done before, therefore there is precedence.

 

[rightwinger]

The Nevada Senate approved Tuesday a National Popular Vote bill on a party-line vote, sending the legislation aimed at upending the Electoral College to the governor.

Assembly Bill 186, which passed the Senateon a 12-8 vote, would bring Nevada into the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact, an agreement between participating states to cast their electoral votes for the winner of the popular vote.

If signed as expected by Democratic Gov. Steve Sisolak, Nevada would become the 16th jurisdiction to join the compact, along with 14 states and the District of Columbia. The compact would take effect after states totaling 270 electoral votes, and with Nevada, the total would reach 195.

Nevada Senate passes National Popular Vote bill on party-line vote

That’s 2 new states in less than 2 months. The NPV keeps chugging along.

Any bunch of idiots touting this crap has shitforbrains. There is this little thing called the constitution to deal with. Do you have even the foggiest notion what it takes to amend the constitution? Allow me to clue you in. To become an operative part of the Constitution, an amendment, whether proposed by Congress or a national constitutional convention must be ratified by either: The legislatures of three-fourths (at present 38) of the states; or. State ratifying conventions in three-fourths (at present 38) of the states.
The chances of that happening are exactly nil.

That is why no amendment is necessary

 

[HappyJoy]

Honestly, IMO, the states should go with what Maine has.....distribute the EC votes based on %.....if 51% of the state voters vote for Candidate A, they get 51% of the EC votes from that state. That, to me, is a better solution.

The only problem I see with that is that this wouldn't correct the core issue with the electoral college. That being it is apportioned fairly per voter.

 

[bodecea]

If you live in Nevada don't even bother to go vote. Your vote won't mean jackshit. You have outsourced your say in the government to some sorry ass welfare queen in one of the Los Angeles ghettos. You know, the kind of worthless idiot that votes for shitheads like Maxine Waters and Obama.

Someone is pitching a fit.

 

[Polishprince]

Nope. Without the EC they would never have a vote that counted

The EC just levels things out so that the populous States don't get to decide every election.

No, they would have the same one person, one vote as everyone else.

Sure they would but the more populous States would decide every election by virtue of population.

Population = people.....a horrible thing, isn't it?

Sure as fuck is when metro. areas are so highly corrupt. Last thing we need is for Los Angeles to dictate how the country is run. I don't expect you to understand this position, just know our founding fathers were smart and wise and you're not.

Our founding fathers counted slaves as 3/5ths of a person. Our founding fathers set the bar as 1 Representative in the House for no more than 30,000 citizens. Is that what we have now?

There are no slaves in America any more. Maybe if we still had them, the census would still count them as 3/5.

 

[HappyJoy]

The Nevada Senate approved Tuesday a National Popular Vote bill on a party-line vote, sending the legislation aimed at upending the Electoral College to the governor.

Assembly Bill 186, which passed the Senateon a 12-8 vote, would bring Nevada into the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact, an agreement between participating states to cast their electoral votes for the winner of the popular vote.

If signed as expected by Democratic Gov. Steve Sisolak, Nevada would become the 16th jurisdiction to join the compact, along with 14 states and the District of Columbia. The compact would take effect after states totaling 270 electoral votes, and with Nevada, the total would reach 195.

Nevada Senate passes National Popular Vote bill on party-line vote

That’s 2 new states in less than 2 months. The NPV keeps chugging along.

How is it that the left sets it’s hair on fire claiming voter suppression when it comes to voter ID laws...but praises a law that will ignore what it’s state constituents vote for in favor of what the rest of the country voted for. Let’s say it’s trump v Biden, Nevada votes Biden but the nation votes trump...ALL THE EC VOTES GO TO TRUMP???? Does that seem right to you? How the fuck is that not voter suppression?

Except that most people want a national popular vote, so why are you so interested in suppressing that?

Polls Show more than 70% Support for a Nationwide Vote for President

 

[bodecea]

The key to this proposal is states will cède their vote as a state in favor of the popular vote

States will not elect the president, the people will
Your vote counts as a citizen of the US not as a resident of a state

Suppose the election was held and President Trump won the majority of the popular vote.

What is to stop a faithless elector in California from saying "fuck it", I'm going to vote for Bite Me or Butt Plug or whoever else the D's nominate? This kind of interstate pact isn't enforceable.

And...it's always been that way.

 

[MarcATL]

Not a bad lookin woman.

 

[HappyJoy]

What I am really worried about is this backfiring on progressives.

So no more, concern troll.

Nice dodge, dickless.

Did I dodge anything worthwhile?

 

[bodecea]

No, they would have the same one person, one vote as everyone else.

Sure they would but the more populous States would decide every election by virtue of population.

Population = people.....a horrible thing, isn't it?

Sure as fuck is when metro. areas are so highly corrupt. Last thing we need is for Los Angeles to dictate how the country is run. I don't expect you to understand this position, just know our founding fathers were smart and wise and you're not.

Our founding fathers counted slaves as 3/5ths of a person. Our founding fathers set the bar as 1 Representative in the House for no more than 30,000 citizens. Is that what we have now?

There are no slaves in America any more. Maybe if we still had them, the census would still count them as 3/5.

I am pointing out what the Founding Fathers wanted and how THEY set the bar. Not what we do today.

 

[Polishprince]

The key to this proposal is states will cède their vote as a state in favor of the popular vote

States will not elect the president, the people will
Your vote counts as a citizen of the US not as a resident of a state

Suppose the election was held and President Trump won the majority of the popular vote.

What is to stop a faithless elector in California from saying "fuck it", I'm going to vote for Bite Me or Butt Plug or whoever else the D's nominate? This kind of interstate pact isn't enforceable.

And...it's always been that way.

Exactly, and that's why this pact is for suckers. Electors from any state aren't going to vote against what their own state voted for.

There is no way to enforce this scheme, you'd have to be a fool to accept it.

 

[HappyJoy]

Why are Republicans so upset by this?

Don’t they think they can win the popular vote anymore?

One has to wonder.

What I am really worried about is this backfiring on progressives. Say you do get it passed, and it makes people in "Dead if Red" States vote more. So if the Republican wins the popular vote, and California and NY have to throw their EC's to them, you don't think those States are going to try to back out of the compact before the EV's are counted?

If you morons want a civil war to happen, I can't think of a better way to trigger it.

Yes...in other words it's totally fair because it can work both ways...............unlike the current gerrymandering being done by the GOP in many states.....

Gerrymandering has nothing to do with Presidential Elections. Try to stay on topic.

And you would NEVER accept a result that going against your attempt to game the system. States like NY and CA would revoke the law, assign the EC's via their popular vote, and chaos would begin.

Gerrymandering has everything to do with presidential elections. Do you really now know how?

 

[WTH_Progs?]

You progs are too young and/or stupid to understand what this means. It's the beginnings of the end of our Republic, as we're going to let metro. Ca., NY City and Seattle DICTATE how this country is run. Your dumb asses call it "popular vote democracy".

Fact is numb nuts, this is a DIRECT result of California powers penetrating Nevada up the ass for California power.....WTF else would it be? We've gone from the "Battle Born State" to "California's bitch-state". It's so stupid.

Imagine that 100% of Californians voted for A and 100% of Nevadans voted for B......In a nutshell this means get fucked Nevada, you voted with California.

 

[Tijn Von Ingersleben]

Every vote should count the same, it sure does in Congress, even 1 vote.

Then it wouldn't be a constitutional REPUBLIC now would it?

"The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened), against domestic Violence.

ARTICLE IV, SECTION 4"

"It is sometimes claimed that the Founders wanted American governments to be "republics rather than democracies," but this claim is not quite accurate. In their linguistic usage, the Founders employed the terms "democracy" and "republic" with overlapping or even interchangeable meanings. Only one species of democracy was deemed inconsistent with republicanism. This was "pure democracy" or "simple and perfect democracy," a theoretical constitution identified by Aristotle and mentioned by John Adams and James Madison, among others. A pure democracy had no magistrates, because the "mob" made all decisions, including all executive and judicial decisions. The Founders saw this kind of democracy as inconsistent with republicanism, because it did not honor the rule of law. The Guarantee Clause's protection against domestic violence assures orderly government and the rule of law, and protects the states' legitimate magistracy against mob rule."
Guide to the Constitution



Of course if the people wish to change the Constitution they can.

 

[HappyJoy]

Why are Republicans so upset by this?

Don’t they think they can win the popular vote anymore?

One has to wonder.

What I am really worried about is this backfiring on progressives. Say you do get it passed, and it makes people in "Dead if Red" States vote more. So if the Republican wins the popular vote, and California and NY have to throw their EC's to them, you don't think those States are going to try to back out of the compact before the EV's are counted?

If you morons want a civil war to happen, I can't think of a better way to trigger it.

How ironic.....states rights and the CRCs have a cow against it this time.

Conservatives only protect states rights for very specific circumstances, they usually involve taking away peoples' rights.

When it is mandated by the Constitution, or when the Constitution is mute on a subject.

It's called being consistent, something progressives can't handle.

The Constitution doesn't stipulate how sates assign their ec votes, that's up to the states. States rights...maybe conservatives should be consistent on that.

 

[whitehall]

The intent of the electoral college is to give states with lower populations an equal voice in presidential elections. Since Nevada ranks 32 in population it seems that they would be cutting their own throats if their obvious political stunt became a reality.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Every vote should count the same, it sure does in Congress, even 1 vote.

Change the Constitution by amending it, not try to get around it.

 

[bodecea]

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Oh this is goig to be the biggest take down of this country if these democratic ****s do this better wake up ppl your country is going bye bye you stupid mother fkrs!!

The Electoral College is in the Constitution.....are you saying that the Congress and states are working up an Amendment?