New Deal: Another Name For Fascism

[Big Fitz]

See if you can detect when the conservative era began...

Oh lookie! Tardtard's favorite non-sequiter of dogmatic irrelevant insignificance correlation!

Now he will accuse me of being a mass murderer of some sort now because I've shown the math of this nonsense to be irrelevant garbage.

The incarceration chart is accurate. You attacked the source, mindlessly ignoring that they provided documentation.

U. S. Bureau of Justice Statistics Bulletin NCJ 221944

See page #6

Accurate or not... it's still irrelevant and misleading. But I know... it's your obsession.

It's still less than 1% of the entire population. With a proportional increase about equal to population growth.

But the graph is pretty... misleading.... and very very irrelevant. But does still confirm your inability to comprehend correlation and causation.

 

[Big Fitz]

Today's conservatives want "industry" to BE the government. They want to turn over control of the country to corporations. Why they think organizations with a profit motive would be better then what we have now is beyond me.

Of course that's what they want. And on occasion, you'll get one of them to slip up and say as much.

Really? Who invited GE into the government? What's the relation of Jeffrey Immelt to the President?

 

[Big Fitz]

The New Deal recognized what our founding fathers knew...corporations must be regulated to protect We, the People from corporate malfeasance, unethical business practices and the usurp of government BY those corporations. It is a concept that is the very antithesis of today's conservatives.

Throughout our history our most visionary political leaders republican and democrat have been warning the American public against the domination by corporate power.

Teddy Roosevelt, a Republican, said that America would never be destroyed by a foreign power but he warned that our political institutions, our democratic institutions would be subverted by malefactors of great wealth who would erode them from within.

Dwight Eisenhower, another republican in his most famous speech ever warned America against the domination by the military industrial complex.

Abraham Lincoln, the greatest Republican in our history, said during the height of the Civil War "I have the South in front of me and I have the bankers behind me. And for my country I fear the bankers more."

Franklin Roosevelt said during World War II that the domination of government by corporate power is "the essence of Fascism" and Benito Mussolini who had an insider’s view of that process said the same thing. Essentially he said that - he complained that Fascism should not be called Fascism. It should be called corporatism because it was the merger of state of corporate power.

And we what we have to understand as Americans is that the domination of business by government is called Communism.

The domination of government by business is called Fascism.

And what our job is is to walk that narrow trail in between which is free market capitalism and democracy. And keep big government at bay with our right hand and corporate power at bay with our left. ref

I look forward to you posting evidence of this ludicrous statement. What are they usually called? Hmmm.... oh yes. White, rich, slave-owning, oppressive capitalist pigs.

Why would they ever want to repress themselves? Or is this only a definition when it's politically convenient for you, quickly thrown over the side for you to try and score political points with lies later?



He was partially right and a Republican... but not a conservative. That being said, for his era he implemented some DESPERATELY needed reforms that helped increase freedom for the vox populi while preventing the abuse of power caused by too much power in too few hands. It was because that era showed the dangers of Lassaiez faire capitalism which I have often pointed out and agreed needed regulation from. I am very much for consumer and labor protection as much as I am for industry needed to be protected from bureaucrats and government interference in markets... including bailouts. But you're comparing two eras with distinctly different levels of scale. The good news is that while the boomers and progressivism is dying by it's own excesses in government corruption, many of the dangers of Parasitic Government is beginning to be rolled back. And if we're lucky... really REALLY , we'll also see a rollback on Federal Power to pre-civil war levels.



FDR got it backwards. Government is the one in ultimate control, not industry. What's a business going to do when the government pulls a gun on them? Shoot back? pfft!

As Mussolini defined it, the proper term is Corporatism. This is where Government COOPERATES with and CONTROLS Industry not the other way around. It's an unholy marriage of the two, but Government is in charge of Industry and covertly profits while Industry unjustly profits from protectionism and corruption. Government still has the guns and law as their force, they control, not industry. refuse to obey and you're done. The government chucks you out and appoints a stooge from the party till they screw up. You can believe otherwise all you want, but it's party Apparatchiks, not corporate boards who hold the cards. Just like communists. A gun to the temple of an unwilling participant is just as effective as a willing conspirator.

Now... how's that compare to our current administration??? ooooooooohh.... wow. a little too close for comfort eh? And think! The labor unions are in bed with him too! All those kickbacks are paying off it seems.



Debatable. He was the first. But often you forget Republican does not equal Conservative.



And Fascism. Sorry, the difference is only in the bureaucracy. Of course you deny the rainbow of leftism.
Marxism=Progressivism=Collectivism=Communism=Liberalism=Fascism.

Just like A Ford Escape is a Mercury Mariner is a Mazda Tribute. Only thing different is some of the cosmetic parts and name plates. Functionally they are 98% the same.

And what our job is is to walk that narrow trail in between which is free market capitalism and democracy. And keep big government at bay with our right hand and corporate power at bay with our left. ref

Okay, if you are incapable of original thought we're done talking here. I mean jeez! Is there ever something you don't plagiarize and pass off as your own? If I wanted to debate these authors, I'd have emailed them.

But thanks for proving none of this is your idea... just another useful idiot for Lenin to love.

Maybe if you had honored my request to not to chop up my posts, you would have gotten to the link beforehand.


17th century political philosopher Thomas Hobbes called corporations "worms in the body politic." Adam Smith condemned them for their effect in curtailing "natural liberty." And most of the so-called "founding fathers" of this nation shared an opinion of corporations that today would earn them the label "lunatic fringe" from the same mainstream tongue-cluckers.

Those who won independence from England hated corporations as much as they hated the King. For it was through state-chartered corporations that the British government carried out some of its most pernicious oppression. Governments extending their power by means of corporations, and corporations themselves taking on the powers of government, are not new problems.

Because they were well aware of the track record of government-chartered corporations, and because they guarded their freedom so jealously, citizens of the newly independent United States of America chartered only a handful of corporations in the several decades after independence.

On those few occasions when states did charter a corporation, "the powers which the corporation might exercise in carrying out its purposes were sparingly conferred and strictly construed," Justice Louis Brandeis wrote in 1933.

In researching nineteenth-century laws regulating corporations, Morris found that in Wisconsin, as in most other states at that time:

*Corporations were required to have a clear purpose, to be fulfilled but not exceeded.2

*Corporations’ licenses to do business were revocable by the state legislature if they exceeded or did not fulfill their chartered purpose(s).3

*The state legislature could revoke a corporation’s charter if it misbehaved.4

*The act of incorporation did not relieve corporate management or stockholders/owners of responsibility or liability for corporate acts.5

*As a matter of course, corporation officers, directors, or agents couldn’t break the law and avoid punishment by claiming they were “just doing their job” when committing crimes but instead could be held criminally liable for violating the law.6

*State (not federal) courts heard cases where corporations or their agents were accused of breaking the law or harming the public.7

*Directors of the corporation were required to come from among stockholders.8

*Corporations had to have their headquarters and meetings in the state where their principal place of business was located.9

*Corporation charters were granted for a specific period of time, such as twenty or thirty years (instead of being granted “in perpetuity,” as is now the practice).10

*Corporations were prohibited from owning stock in other corporations, to prevent them from extending their power inappropriately.11

*Corporations’ real estate holdings were limited to what was necessary to carry out their specific purpose(s).12

*Corporations were prohibited from making any political contributions, direct or indirect.13

*Corporations were prohibited from making charitable or civic donations outside of their specific purposes.14

*State legislatures could set the rates that some monopoly corporations could charge for their products or services.15

*All corporation records and documents were open to the legislature or the state attorney general.16

Similar laws existed in most other states.

The Early Role of Corporations in America

The Legacy of the Founding Parents

Maybe if you had honored my request to not to chop up my posts, you would have gotten to the link beforehand.

Fucking grow up and stop making things that can be 'Fisk'ed so easily.

And this collection of retardation and deliberate misrepresentation requires more time and interest I have in refuting, so congrats, I won't be fisking this anytime soon unless boredom strikes.

 

[Polk]

Today's conservatives want "industry" to BE the government. They want to turn over control of the country to corporations. Why they think organizations with a profit motive would be better then what we have now is beyond me.

Of course that's what they want. And on occasion, you'll get one of them to slip up and say as much.

Really? Who invited GE into the government? What's the relation of Jeffrey Immelt to the President?

Asking someone to serve on a committee isn't handing them control. Saying that the role of government is to serve them, on the other hand, is.

 

[Big Fitz]

Of course that's what they want. And on occasion, you'll get one of them to slip up and say as much.

Really? Who invited GE into the government? What's the relation of Jeffrey Immelt to the President?

Asking someone to serve on a committee isn't handing them control. Saying that the role of government is to serve them, on the other hand, is.

uhhhhh huh. Is that how you're gonna spin it today? And people say *I'm* Pollyanna!

 

[Sallow]

Really? Who invited GE into the government? What's the relation of Jeffrey Immelt to the President?

Asking someone to serve on a committee isn't handing them control. Saying that the role of government is to serve them, on the other hand, is.

uhhhhh huh. Is that how you're gonna spin it today? And people say *I'm* Pollyanna!

I'm thinking you didn't have much problem with Bush and Cheney being big oil men, having secret meetings with other big oil men..and watching the profits on the oil industry go sky high while those two were in power.

 

[geauxtohell]

Conservatives are going to bitch about FDR saving this country until they are planted.

It won't change the facts of the matter.

 

[Truthmatters]

The pattern is now repeting in our economy and they need to stop what the course of history is showing.

I wish they would just get some new ideas that work instead.

 

[Big Fitz]

Asking someone to serve on a committee isn't handing them control. Saying that the role of government is to serve them, on the other hand, is.

uhhhhh huh. Is that how you're gonna spin it today? And people say *I'm* Pollyanna!

I'm thinking you didn't have much problem with Bush and Cheney being big oil men, having secret meetings with other big oil men..and watching the profits on the oil industry go sky high while those two were in power.

I had a problem with that as well. Why? Because the government shouldn't be in 90% of what it currently is in regarding business.

I'm just illustrating your rampant hypocrisy.

quelle suprise.

 

[Truthmatters]

The policies you promote would have the Business sector controlling us and our tool to have a fair shake neutered.

 

[Big Fitz]

The policies you promote would have the Business sector controlling us and our tool to have a fair shake neutered.

Obviously you have been ignoring my posts regarding the need for consumer, labor and industry protection. Government should only be enforcing the rules of fair play and not protecting anyone economically save for unfair foreign competition like state industries and unfair subsidies.

I am an ethical capitalist. I do not like trusts and monopolies within reason (meaning shared insurance actuarial tables are NOT a trust or monopoly).

 

[Sallow]

uhhhhh huh. Is that how you're gonna spin it today? And people say *I'm* Pollyanna!

I'm thinking you didn't have much problem with Bush and Cheney being big oil men, having secret meetings with other big oil men..and watching the profits on the oil industry go sky high while those two were in power.

I had a problem with that as well. Why? Because the government shouldn't be in 90% of what it currently is in regarding business.

I'm just illustrating your rampant hypocrisy.

quelle suprise.

Okay..chief. Whatever. You voted Gore and Kerry..right?

 

[Polk]

Asking someone to serve on a committee isn't handing them control. Saying that the role of government is to serve them, on the other hand, is.

uhhhhh huh. Is that how you're gonna spin it today? And people say *I'm* Pollyanna!

I'm thinking you didn't have much problem with Bush and Cheney being big oil men, having secret meetings with other big oil men..and watching the profits on the oil industry go sky high while those two were in power.

He didn't. I also doubt he had a problem with House Republicans saying the role of Congress is to serve the banks.

 

[Bfgrn]

Oh lookie! Tardtard's favorite non-sequiter of dogmatic irrelevant insignificance correlation!

Now he will accuse me of being a mass murderer of some sort now because I've shown the math of this nonsense to be irrelevant garbage.

The incarceration chart is accurate. You attacked the source, mindlessly ignoring that they provided documentation.

U. S. Bureau of Justice Statistics Bulletin NCJ 221944

See page #6

Accurate or not... it's still irrelevant and misleading. But I know... it's your obsession.

It's still less than 1% of the entire population. With a proportional increase about equal to population growth.

But the graph is pretty... misleading.... and very very irrelevant. But does still confirm your inability to comprehend correlation and causation.

OK Einstein...see how 'misleading' this FACT is...the United States of America, the bastion of freedom, the 'city upon the hill' has 5% the world population and 25% of the world's prisoners.

Here is your phrase for the day: per capita

The US has the most citizens imprisoned per capita than any other nation on the planet.

NOTE: The total number in custody per 100,000 residents per U. S. Bureau of Justice Statistics Bulletin NCJ 221944 is 762...so this chart is correct.

 

[Truthmatters]

Im willing to forgive him if he will man up and support what will work instead of the backing the historically failed ideas of the right.

Government has a duty to protect our democracy from the excesses of a few people who would seek make our government into their lacky.

 

[Big Fitz]

The incarceration chart is accurate. You attacked the source, mindlessly ignoring that they provided documentation.

U. S. Bureau of Justice Statistics Bulletin NCJ 221944

See page #6

Accurate or not... it's still irrelevant and misleading. But I know... it's your obsession.

It's still less than 1% of the entire population. With a proportional increase about equal to population growth.

But the graph is pretty... misleading.... and very very irrelevant. But does still confirm your inability to comprehend correlation and causation.

OK Einstein...see how 'misleading' this FACT is...the United States of America, the bastion of freedom, the 'city upon the hill' has 5% the world population and 25% of the world's prisoners.

Here is your phrase for the day: per capita

The US has the most citizens imprisoned per capita than any other nation on the planet.

NOTE: The total number in custody per 100,000 residents per U. S. Bureau of Justice Statistics Bulletin NCJ 221944 is 762...so this chart is correct.

What part of irrelevant do you not understand. Start your own thread whining about this if you want. Oh wait... you have many times and been ignored.

 

[Big Fitz]

uhhhhh huh. Is that how you're gonna spin it today? And people say *I'm* Pollyanna!

I'm thinking you didn't have much problem with Bush and Cheney being big oil men, having secret meetings with other big oil men..and watching the profits on the oil industry go sky high while those two were in power.

He didn't. I also doubt he had a problem with House Republicans saying the role of Congress is to serve the banks.

Huh, you don't remember me having issues with that back on another board years back where you got pwned many many times I see.

I had LESS of an issue than what I see with GE being done, but, I still have a problem.

 

[Big Fitz]

Im willing to forgive him if he will man up and support what will work instead of the backing the historically failed ideas of the right.

Government has a duty to protect our democracy from the excesses of a few people who would seek make our government into their lacky.

Yes, they do have a duty to protect our INDIVIDUAL rights from being infringed... by the government or plutocrats. I never have denied that. I have stated flatly that the fed has long since violated the enumerated powers doctrine. Technically it started with the civil war, but went completely off the rails in the Great Depression.

Government also has no power to say when you've earned too much or have too much power till you abuse it.

Innocent till proven guilty? Remember? Government has no place, right or power to pick winners and losers.

 

[Bfgrn]

Accurate or not... it's still irrelevant and misleading. But I know... it's your obsession.

It's still less than 1% of the entire population. With a proportional increase about equal to population growth.

But the graph is pretty... misleading.... and very very irrelevant. But does still confirm your inability to comprehend correlation and causation.

OK Einstein...see how 'misleading' this FACT is...the United States of America, the bastion of freedom, the 'city upon the hill' has 5% the world population and 25% of the world's prisoners.

Here is your phrase for the day: per capita

The US has the most citizens imprisoned per capita than any other nation on the planet.

NOTE: The total number in custody per 100,000 residents per U. S. Bureau of Justice Statistics Bulletin NCJ 221944 is 762...so this chart is correct.

What part of irrelevant do you not understand. Start your own thread whining about this if you want. Oh wait... you have many times and been ignored.

I guess this is just a 'leftist' issue...

A police state is just fine with you authoritarian statists. But if THAT is not BIG government and nefarious government intervention into people's lives, than what is?

 

[Big Fitz]

OK Einstein...see how 'misleading' this FACT is...the United States of America, the bastion of freedom, the 'city upon the hill' has 5% the world population and 25% of the world's prisoners.

Here is your phrase for the day: per capita

The US has the most citizens imprisoned per capita than any other nation on the planet.

NOTE: The total number in custody per 100,000 residents per U. S. Bureau of Justice Statistics Bulletin NCJ 221944 is 762...so this chart is correct.

What part of irrelevant do you not understand. Start your own thread whining about this if you want. Oh wait... you have many times and been ignored.

I guess this is just a 'leftist' issue...

A police state is just fine with you authoritarian statists. But if THAT is not BIG government and nefarious government intervention into people's lives, than what is?

No... it's irrelevant to both the topic at hand, and rational people.