New hostage taking policy for Obama

[mamooth]

Is it just me or does anyone else feel more racist since Barry took office?

Y'all always felt that way. It just became PC for you to express it openly, and non-PC for anyone to point it out.

 

[Manonthestreet]

Hostages just taken in Iraq.......3 of them

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Is it just me or does anyone else feel more racist since Barry took office?

Y'all always felt that way. It just became PC for you to express it openly, and non-PC for anyone to point it out.

I was mistaken...after further analysis it turns out that I just hate Barry.
Well I feel better....

 

[WildBillKelsoe]

Thread summary:

Obama made the conservatives look like failures again, so conservatives are very butthurt.

Same old same old.

No, more like: Obama paid random money to a terrorist state.

Does this mean you all are going to stop butting up about Iran-Contra?

At least Reagan owned up to his mistake.
Obama will never admit to making any mistakes though his entire term has been a mistake.

Reagan never owned up. He claimed he didn't remember anything or know about Iran/Contra and his administration members fell on their swords for him. Fortunately for them Bush 41 handed out pardons. Big surprise. Who would have thought?

Are you saying Obama should be charged with a crime?

Obama has nothing to do with this 1.7B. It comes from putting a hold on a 400B Iranian Trust Fund used as collateral for buying US weapons in the 70's and was implemented in 1981 under Reagan. More sanctions were added over the years by every single President and approved by every single Congress. This money, the 1.7B however, is the direct result of a litigated settlement at the international court at Hague that was entered into long before Obama came into office. The Tribunal began in 1979 for the hostage crisis and was continued by Reagan in 1981. Obama is simply allowing the agreement to conclude as promised by every President from Reagan to Bush 43.

reuters.com/article/iran-nuclear-settlement-idUSL2N1510AS

treasury.gov/resource-center/sanctions/Programs/Documents/iran.txt

It's as simple as this: Obama rewarded Iran for taking American citizens hostage. He negotiated from a position of weakness.

 

[WildBillKelsoe]

Is it just me or does anyone else feel more racist since Barry took office?

I was never racist to begin with and I'm still not.

It takes a pretty idiotic person to believe that Conservatives oppose Obama's policies/action just because he's part black. As of we would agree with him, if he were white?

The Liberals play the race card, because it trully, is the only argument they can muster in his defense.

 

[WildBillKelsoe]

Hostages just taken in Iraq.......3 of them

They're looking for another payout...lol

 

[TooTall]

Reagan never owned up. He claimed he didn't remember anything or know about Iran/Contra and his administration members fell on their swords for him. Fortunately for them Bush 41 handed out pardons. Big surprise. Who would have thought?

Pick it up at the 2:48 mark...

He is not owning up. He is apologizing for allegedly not knowing what was going on and admitting he should have. You have to have faith that the actor is being honest and sincere that he did not know what was going on under his command, which is what he is claiming. Just because you believe him doesn't mean others do.

How many times has Obama said "I just read it in the news" when asked a question at an interview or press conference? And you believed him. LOL

 

[mamooth]

It's as simple as this: Obama rewarded Iran for taking American citizens hostage. He negotiated from a position of weakness.

The conservative "we just need to threaten everyone" foreign policy fails hard every time it's tried, but strangely, conservatives keep demanding more of it. Failure is like a deity to conservatives, one they need to worship.

Let's look at North Korea. Rather than negotiate, Bush and the conservatives declared talking tough and issuing ultimatums was all that was necessary. Result? North Korea now has nuclear weapons. That was a complete humiliating failure of conservative foreign policy.

Let's look at Mexico. They had a marine in prison. Conservatives screamed that Obama should talk tough, issue ultimatums, and demand his release. Obviously, that would backfire, being that making public demands of a nation ensures that its leaders will reject those demands, as they'd look weak and be kicked out of office if they gave into Yankee demands. Instead, Obama stayed quiet, mentioned through some back channels it would be nice to resolve it, and after the furor died down, the marine was quietly released. So by acting like a grownup, Obama scored another win.

Same with Iran.

Same with Cuba.

Same with the Paris Climate Talks.

Obama keeps racking up the huge foreign policy wins, and conservatives can't stand it. Conservatives actively want America to lose, just so Obama won't get credit for his winning policies.

 

[WildBillKelsoe]

It's as simple as this: Obama rewarded Iran for taking American citizens hostage. He negotiated from a position of weakness.

The conservative "we just need to threaten everyone" foreign policy fails hard every time it's tried, but strangely, they keep demanding more of it.

Let's look at North Korea. Rather than negotiate, Bush and the conservatives declared talking tough was all that was necessary. Result? North Korea now has nuclear weapons. It was a complete humiliating failure of conservative foreign policy.

Let's look at Mexico. They had a marine in prison. Conservatives screamed that Obama talk tough and demand his release. And all the grownups knew that would backfire, as making public demands of a nation ensures that its leaders will reject those demands, as they'd be kicked out of office if they gave into Yankee demands. Instead, Obama stays quiet, mentions through back channels it would be nice to resolve it, and the marine is released shortly thereafter. So by acting like a grownup, Obama scored another win.

Same with Iran.

Same with Cuba.

Same with the Paris Climate Talks.

Obama keeps racking up the huge foreign policy wins, and conservatives can't stand it. Conservatives actively want America to lose, just so Obama won't get credit for his winning policies.

Paris climate talks should have failed.

Obama is racking up foreign policy wins the same way Bevel Chamberlain achieved, "peace in our time".

Obama's a joke. Live with it.

 

[TooTall]

It's as simple as this: Obama rewarded Iran for taking American citizens hostage. He negotiated from a position of weakness.

The conservative "we just need to threaten everyone" foreign policy fails hard every time it's tried, but strangely, conservatives keep demanding more of it. Failure is like a deity to conservatives, one they need to worship.

Let's look at North Korea. Rather than negotiate, Bush and the conservatives declared talking tough was all that was necessary. Result? North Korea now has nuclear weapons. It was a complete humiliating failure of conservative foreign policy.

Let's look at Mexico. They had a marine in prison. Conservatives screamed that Obama talk tough and demand his release. And all the grownups knew that would backfire, as making public demands of a nation ensures that its leaders will reject those demands, as they'd be kicked out of office if they gave into Yankee demands. Instead, Obama stays quiet, mentions through back channels it would be nice to resolve it, and the marine is released shortly thereafter. So by acting like a grownup, Obama scored another win.

Same with Iran.

Same with Cuba.

Same with the Paris Climate Talks.

Obama keeps racking up the huge foreign policy wins, and conservatives can't stand it. Conservatives actively want America to lose, just so Obama won't get credit for his winning policies.

Bush didn't have anything to negotiate with North Korea. Clinton had already signed the deal and Bush merely honored it.

 

[WildBillKelsoe]

It's as simple as this: Obama rewarded Iran for taking American citizens hostage. He negotiated from a position of weakness.

The conservative "we just need to threaten everyone" foreign policy fails hard every time it's tried, but strangely, conservatives keep demanding more of it. Failure is like a deity to conservatives, one they need to worship.

Let's look at North Korea. Rather than negotiate, Bush and the conservatives declared talking tough was all that was necessary. Result? North Korea now has nuclear weapons. It was a complete humiliating failure of conservative foreign policy.

Let's look at Mexico. They had a marine in prison. Conservatives screamed that Obama talk tough and demand his release. And all the grownups knew that would backfire, as making public demands of a nation ensures that its leaders will reject those demands, as they'd be kicked out of office if they gave into Yankee demands. Instead, Obama stays quiet, mentions through back channels it would be nice to resolve it, and the marine is released shortly thereafter. So by acting like a grownup, Obama scored another win.

Same with Iran.

Same with Cuba.

Same with the Paris Climate Talks.

Obama keeps racking up the huge foreign policy wins, and conservatives can't stand it. Conservatives actively want America to lose, just so Obama won't get credit for his winning policies.

Bush didn't have anything to negotiate with North Korea. Clinton had already signed the deal and Bush merely honored it.

They left that part out...lol

 

[mamooth]

Bush didn't have anything to negotiate with North Korea. Clinton had already signed the deal and Bush merely honored it.

Your soviet-style revisionist history might play well with the other members of TheParty, but the rest of the world hasn't read your alternate history.

Those who don't engage in faking history like the Republicans here know that, under Clinton, the framework and inspectors were in place which prevented North Korea from making nukes. The North Koreans were being inspected, and complying, and all was well.

And then Bush came along. He didn't like negotiating with NK, as they were part of the "axis of evil". So the deal was off. Bush blustered he'd impose sanctions. NK told him to take a hike, and went on to develop nukes.

And most ofthe conservatives here praise Bush for that. So what if the outcome was awful? The important thing in their eyes is that Bush didn't "look weak".

Lord save us from such conservative manchildren and their endless dickswinging competitions. They illustrate why it's so important to have confident and secure liberals in charge.

 

[TooTall]

Bush didn't have anything to negotiate with North Korea. Clinton had already signed the deal and Bush merely honored it.

Your soviet-style revisionist history might play well with the other members of TheParty, but the rest of the world hasn't read your alternate history.

Those who don't engage in faking history like the Republicans here know that, under Clinton, the framework and inspectors were in place which prevented North Korea from making nukes. The North Koreans were being inspected, and complying, and all was well.

And then Bush came along. He didn't like negotiating with NK, as they were part of the "axis of evil". So the deal was off. Bush blustered he'd impose sanctions. NK told him to take a hike, and went on to develop nukes.

And most ofthe conservatives here praise Bush for that. So what if the outcome was awful? The important thing in their eyes is that Bush didn't "look weak".

Lord save us from such conservative manchildren and their endless dickswinging competitions. They illustrate why it's so important to have confident and secure liberals in charge.

So the deal was off. Did Bush call off the UN Inspectors?

 

[WildBillKelsoe]

Bush didn't have anything to negotiate with North Korea. Clinton had already signed the deal and Bush merely honored it.

Your soviet-style revisionist history might play well with the other members of TheParty, but the rest of the world hasn't read your alternate history.

Those who don't engage in faking history like the Republicans here know that, under Clinton, the framework and inspectors were in place which prevented North Korea from making nukes. The North Koreans were being inspected, and complying, and all was well.

And then Bush came along. He didn't like negotiating with NK, as they were part of the "axis of evil". So the deal was off. Bush blustered he'd impose sanctions. NK told him to take a hike, and went on to develop nukes.

And most ofthe conservatives here praise Bush for that. So what if the outcome was awful? The important thing in their eyes is that Bush didn't "look weak".

Lord save us from such conservative manchildren and their endless dickswinging competitions. They illustrate why it's so important to have confident and secure liberals in charge.

And in less than 4 years, the NORKS went from nothing, to popping a nuke?

Riiiiiiiiiiiiight!!

 

[Jackson]

Thread summary:

Obama made the conservatives look like failures again, so conservatives are very butthurt.

Same old same old.

HUH????? Wrongo!

 

[Jackson]

No, more like: Obama paid random money to a terrorist state.

Does this mean you all are going to stop butting up about Iran-Contra?

No, it's much easier to point out you're lying about Obama paying any money for a hostage release.

Obama just gave Iran $1.7 billion, so you're lying about him not paying the ransom money.

Iran getting $1.7B from U.S. in “debt and interest”

We could have held that $1.7 B for shipping and handling, lol.

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

Reagan never owned up. He claimed he didn't remember anything or know about Iran/Contra and his administration members fell on their swords for him. Fortunately for them Bush 41 handed out pardons. Big surprise. Who would have thought?

Pick it up at the 2:48 mark...

He is not owning up. He is apologizing for allegedly not knowing what was going on and admitting he should have. You have to have faith that the actor is being honest and sincere that he did not know what was going on under his command, which is what he is claiming. Just because you believe him doesn't mean others do.

He took responsibility for not knowing. He owned up to the incident. Get over it.

 

[Votto]

Thread summary:

Obama made the conservatives look like failures again, so conservatives are very butthurt.

Same old same old.

No, more like: Obama paid random money to a terrorist state.

Does this mean you all are going to stop butting up about Iran-Contra?

At least Reagan owned up to his mistake.
Obama will never admit to making any mistakes though his entire term has been a mistake.

Reagan never owned up. He claimed he didn't remember anything or know about Iran/Contra and his administration members fell on their swords for him. Fortunately for them Bush 41 handed out pardons. Big surprise. Who would have thought?

Are you saying Obama should be charged with a crime?

Which one?

 

[Jackson]

Reagan never owned up. He claimed he didn't remember anything or know about Iran/Contra and his administration members fell on their swords for him. Fortunately for them Bush 41 handed out pardons. Big surprise. Who would have thought?

Pick it up at the 2:48 mark...

He is not owning up. He is apologizing for allegedly not knowing what was going on and admitting he should have. You have to have faith that the actor is being honest and sincere that he did not know what was going on under his command, which is what he is claiming. Just because you believe him doesn't mean others do.

He most certainly is. Did you bother to listen at the 2:48 time. Reagan was an honest president. He took ownership of the deal and apologized for it. Has Obama EVER apologized for his behavior? Nada. Reagan was not only a great president, he had class and integrity.

 

[Camp]

Reagan never owned up. He claimed he didn't remember anything or know about Iran/Contra and his administration members fell on their swords for him. Fortunately for them Bush 41 handed out pardons. Big surprise. Who would have thought?

Pick it up at the 2:48 mark...

He is not owning up. He is apologizing for allegedly not knowing what was going on and admitting he should have. You have to have faith that the actor is being honest and sincere that he did not know what was going on under his command, which is what he is claiming. Just because you believe him doesn't mean others do.

He most certainly is. Did you bother to listen at the 2:48 time. Reagan was an honest president. He took ownership of the deal and apologized for it. Has Obama EVER apologized for his behavior? Nada. Reagan was not only a great president, he had class and integrity.

Yes, he did not take ownership for having known about it, approved it or endorsed it. He stuck to his story that he did not know what was going on and allowed his underlings to take the blame, underlings, that got pardons. So, he didn't know about the crimes being committed under him and he did not know the criminals would get pardons and you claim he was and honest President. As previously stated, that is all based on faith, not fact.