New Witness...TRAYVON was beating Zimmerman up!

[edthecynic]

Yup. He's really baby-faced, in the retouched photo (from the "hoodie march" group).

Not as much in the un-altered one, though (from the Miami Herald).

The top one is the unaltered original and the bottom is a scan of the screened newspaper print, called a halftone which is made up of black and white dots. You can tell that the top one is the original and has not been softened by the texture on the inside of the hood which would have become smoothed out by the blurring needed to soften the image.

The uneven tone is a dead giveaway that the bottom photo is a scan of the newsprint halftone. The ink dots spread out as they are absorbed by the porous paper. Dark areas where the black ink dots are closest together merge together as they spread giving the appearance of a jump in tone as the spreading dots connect together.

So in typical dishonest CON$ervoFascist fashion, the original is called a forgery and the altered photo passed off as the original.

Well, then the scan changed the eye and eyebrow shape. And, of course, that explains the different pixelation on the border of his face in the top photo.

Depending on the type of scanner, the image can easily be distorted. A $100,000 drum scanner, that no one uses any more, would have scanned the newsprint halftone very accurately, but a cheap flatbed scanner like everyone uses today is notorious for distorting the image. For those of us experienced in the printing industry, the bottom photo is a very obvious rescan of a newsprint halftone. One of the most obvious reasons is the loss of detail. In order to get rid of the dot pattern of the halftone you must blur the image, which also causes loss of detail in addition to the loss of detail from the 65 or 85 line screen used in newsprint. Photos look sharp in a magazine because they use coated stock which has relatively little dot gain rather than newsprint which has a 30% dot gain, and mags use 133 or 150 line screens and art mags use 175 or 200 line screens.

 

[Truthmatters]

Trayvon was black so the law Florida passed wasnt intended for him.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

TRAYVON WAS STANDING HIS GROUND

When he was confronted by someone he thought was there to do him harm, he lashed out in defense of his life. Zimmerman who initiated this confrontation cannot use self defense when he was getting his butt kick by a kid drew his gun and shot this kid he was stalking and confronted. Zimmerman was the perpetrator of his incident, not Trayvon who was minding his business on his way home and did not owe Zimmerman who did not identify himself as a Neighborhood Watchman, an explanation why he was where he was.

Zimmerman referring to Trayvon as a “fucking coon” clearly make this a hate crime and murder and not self defense.

You cannot pick a fight with some one, kill them and call it self defense when you are getting your butt kicked.

Is someone standing their ground when caught braking and entering and they kill someone?
OH and the coon part you can make yourself hear anything if you want too. In that audio it's not clear exactly what was said, but you go ahead and believe that if you want too.

 

[GUNSIDEAUG]

Maybe George Zimmerman did act in self-defense when he shot and killed Trayvon Martin, whose death Feb. 26 in Sanford, Florida, has been the focus of a media and political circus that even included Barack Obama weighing in this week.

An eyewitness to the incident told police Martin was beating Zimmerman before he shot him.

Zimmerman had called 911 to report the suspicious activities of a youth in his neighborhood, telling the dispatcher that he was following Martin.

On the recording of another 911 call, repeated cries of “help” can be heard before the gunshot.

The witness, identified only as John, says those cries were made by Zimmerman who was on the ground being beaten by Martin.

“The guy on the bottom who had a red sweater on was yelling to me: ‘help, help … and I told him to stop and I was calling 911,” he said.

Martin was wearing a gray hoodie, while Zimmerman was wearing red.

“When I got upstairs and looked down, the guy who was on top beating up the other guy, was the one laying in the grass, and I believe he was dead at that point,” John said.

Zimmerman claimed the shooting was self-defense. Zimmerman said he was going back to his SUV when he was attacked by the teen. Sanford police say Zimmerman was bloody in his face and head, and the back of his shirt was wet and had grass stains, indicating a struggle took place before the shooting.

Meanwhile, the attack has been portrayed by most media outlets as a racist, vigilante-style assault by Zimmerman – a half-Hispanic, half-white, self-style neighborhood crime-watch captain – on an innocent role-model black teen-ager carrying only a cell phone and some Skittles

 

[Si modo]

The top one is the unaltered original and the bottom is a scan of the screened newspaper print, called a halftone which is made up of black and white dots. You can tell that the top one is the original and has not been softened by the texture on the inside of the hood which would have become smoothed out by the blurring needed to soften the image.

The uneven tone is a dead giveaway that the bottom photo is a scan of the newsprint halftone. The ink dots spread out as they are absorbed by the porous paper. Dark areas where the black ink dots are closest together merge together as they spread giving the appearance of a jump in tone as the spreading dots connect together.

So in typical dishonest CON$ervoFascist fashion, the original is called a forgery and the altered photo passed off as the original.

Well, then the scan changed the eye and eyebrow shape. And, of course, that explains the different pixelation on the border of his face in the top photo.

Depending on the type of scanner, the image can easily be distorted. A $100,000 drum scanner, that no one uses any more, would have scanned the newsprint halftone very accurately, but a cheap flatbed scanner like everyone uses today is notorious for distorting the image. For those of us experienced in the printing industry, the bottom photo is a very obvious rescan of a newsprint halftone. One of the most obvious reasons is the loss of detail. In order to get rid of the dot pattern of the halftone you must blur the image, which also causes loss of detail in addition to the loss of detail from the 65 or 85 line screen used in newsprint. Photos look sharp in a magazine because they use coated stock which has relatively little dot gain rather than newsprint which has a 30% dot gain, and mags use 133 or 150 line screens and art mags use 175 or 200 line screens.

Well, that makes sense. Sort of.

I'm wondering why a newspaper - The Miami Herald - which obviously has each story combined electronically for printing to newsprint, would then scan that newsprint for a photo - a photo for which they already had an electronic copy, and post that on their site. Why not just use the electronic copy of the photo they submitted to print, on their site?

 

[Truthmatters]

You assholes just are dying to make this child victim into a predator arent you?

He was stalked by this man you fucking clowns.

Did he have ANY right to try and protect himself?

 

[Si modo]

You assholes just are dying to make this child victim into a predator arent you?

He was stalked by this man you fucking clowns.

Did he have ANY right to try and protect himself?

How was Martin "stalked"?

 

[Meister]

If the bottom photo was tampered with, the top photo has been tampered with even more.

 

[GUNSIDEAUG]

Gee 4-5 breakins in the neighborhood ! All african - americans ! Why would zimmerman or any one be suspicious .
Racist ? Or one dealing in daily facts ( realist )

 

[GUNSIDEAUG]

Obamas grandmother ? Racist or realist

if the shoe fits wear it

 

[High_Gravity]

Obamas grandmother ? Racist or realist

if the shoe fits wear it

Obamas grandmother? what the fuck?

 

[007]

You assholes just are dying to make this child victim into a predator arent you?

He was stalked by this man you fucking clowns.

Did he have ANY right to try and protect himself?

And you're not going to be happy until you've proven to the whole board that you're just too fucking stupid to take care of yourself and you should be COMMITTED.

STFU.

 

[Liability]

You assholes just are dying to make this child victim into a predator arent you?

He was stalked by this man you fucking clowns.

Did he have ANY right to try and protect himself?

Once again, you lowlife twit (that could be a typo):

YOU don't know what YOU are talking about.

The facts are not whatever you imagine them to possibly have been.

Facts are what actually DID happen. And you have no fucking actual clue as to what did actually happen.

Your suppositions and presuppositions and your usual mindless prejudices are of zero value in that department, twit.

 

[Liability]

Obamas grandmother ? Racist or realist

if the shoe fits wear it

Obamas grandmother? what the fuck?

I can't help you out on that one, HG. I have no idea what gunsi is trying to say.

 

[Truthmatters]

You assholes just are dying to make this child victim into a predator arent you?

He was stalked by this man you fucking clowns.

Did he have ANY right to try and protect himself?

How was Martin "stalked"?

The police ordered him NOT to follow, he followed him anyway.

Zimmerman had NO authority to police anything

 

[uptownlivin90]

Ummm, no. Other witnesses that night corroborate the same.

Now a wtiness is saying this:
New Witness, Mary Cutcher Gives Her Account On Trayvon Martin Shooting (VIDEO) | Global Grind

I'll be honest... I don't think witness testimony is going to shape the case for either side much. The BIG question is who attacked who first. No witnesses that I know of know who attacked who first, they just know that either Zimmy or Martin were on top of on another at one point and the storys conlficts and it's possible there was an even struggle at one point. I don't think we'll ever conclusively know.

Well, in Virginia, who attacked who first would matter, because that is the law here, as it pertains to using deadly force in self-defense.

It's not the law in Florida, though.

So what would determine whether or not this was Self-Defense in Florida?

 

[Truthmatters]

you assholes just are dying to make this child victim into a predator arent you?

He was stalked by this man you fucking clowns.

Did he have any right to try and protect himself?

and you're not going to be happy until you've proven to the whole board that you're just too fucking stupid to take care of yourself and you should be committed.

Stfu.

go to hell you racist

 

[bayoubill]

TRAYVON WAS STANDING HIS GROUND

When he was confronted by someone he thought was there to do him harm, he lashed out in defense of his life. Zimmerman who initiated this confrontation cannot use self defense when he was getting his butt kick by a kid drew his gun and shot this kid he was stalking and confronted. Zimmerman was the perpetrator of his incident, not Trayvon who was minding his business on his way home and did not owe Zimmerman who did not identify himself as a Neighborhood Watchman, an explanation why he was where he was.

Zimmerman referring to Trayvon as a “fucking coon” clearly make this a hate crime and murder and not self defense.

You cannot pick a fight with some one, kill them and call it self defense when you are getting your butt kicked.

wow... you must have some extraordinary superpowers to have been an eyewitness that night all the way from Reno...

 

[uptownlivin90]

If the bottom photo was tampered with, the top photo has been tampered with even more.

I don't see a very big difference between the two photos. One looks a little better then the other yes, but I don't think either picture makes Trayvon look any more or less "innocent".

 

[bigrebnc1775]

You assholes just are dying to make this child victim into a predator arent you?

He was stalked by this man you fucking clowns.

Did he have ANY right to try and protect himself?

How was Martin "stalked"?

The police ordered him NOT to follow, he followed him anyway.

Zimmerman had NO authority to police anything

There are reports that he was returning to his vehicle when Trayvon started pursuing Zimmerman.