New Yorkers Shocked To Find Food Prices Rising After Minimum Wage Hike

[Cellblock2429]

What's yours?

That other peoples' money belongs to you?

Congress is delegated the Power not the Right to Tax, for a Reason.

So what?

Other people's money is not yours. You pay your taxes I pay mine but I have no claim on what you earn

It is not Your money if we have problems in our Republic. Government is socialism. Congress has Power to Tax.

Congress has the power to tax if we allow them to do so! Congress is not the "landed gentry" lording it over the rest of us...they are our representatives and are in Washington to do our bidding.

Tax cut economics are worthless if they don't balance the budget.

/———/ balancing the budget involves spending cuts. If we raise taxes then Gubmint just squanders the money.

 

[dblack]

By definition they are not

...
No they, [i.e. government expenditures for government services ] aren't [service products].
Laws and law enforcement aren't production.

Blues Man, U.S. Department of Defense expenditures are due to services they provide to our nation. You or I may consider many of their expenditures as wasteful, but never the less their expenditures are included within USA's annual gross domestic products. Similarly, all net law enforcement expenditures within the USA are services to our nation that are included within the calculations of our annual GDPs.

We do not test the wisdom of the expenditures that are included within our nation's expenditures. If the voters choose to squander their government's tax revenues and public credit on behalf of sports stadiums, no more or less than what our nation spends to maintain our pets, or purchase cosmetics, these are all included within our calculations of our nation's annual GDPs of goods and service products.

Although you don't choose to consider the cost of our legal justice system and law enforcement as production, economist as expressed within the calculations of our nations' GDPs do so consider them within the aggregate goods and service products we all consume.

Respectfully, Supposn

It isn't production.

and it certainly isn't socialism by definition.

Why are we wasting the (other) Peoples' tax monies if our alleged wars on crime, drugs, and terror are not those public sector means of social production not capital production?

Those are entirely different issues and have nothing to do with the topic

But for what it's worth I think the war on drugs is a waste and that all drugs should be legalized.
And I don't know if there is a war on crime as you say but we do tend to imprison too many people for nonviolent crimes

And you don't seem to realize that you are arguing that the government wastes too much money while you are simultaneously saying we should give the government more money

Please don't feed the daniel.

 

[danielpalos]

Your Point?

What does wealth inequality have to do with my question? Try not to be TOO obtuse, Daniel! It's a simple question. How do you increase the minimum wage to $15 an hour and not see a huge spike in wage increases to everyone else?

Higher paid labor pays more in Taxes and create more in Demand. Capitalism, what capital concept.

And when the price of everything rises that higher pay is negated.

IF you waved your magic unicorn horn wand and every single person that is getting less than $15 an hour gets a raise then the price of everything would rise so the people who got a raise would be paying more for everything and the people who didn't get a raise would lose what purchasing power they had

This is an extension of the Broken Windows fallacy

All you have is a fallacy of false Cause by appealing to ignorance of economics.

No I have decades of experience running a business

You have no idea how much it costs to employ a person do you?

how much does Labor cost as a percentage of your overall business?

And, why are you whining about any Minimum wage and not any Maximum wage.

 

[Blues Man]

Congress has the power to tax if we allow them to do so! Congress is not the "landed gentry" lording it over the rest of us...they are our representatives and are in Washington to do our bidding.

Tax cut economics are worthless if they don't balance the budget.

When you have a budget you balance it by not spending more than you make

The morons in government have yet to learn this most fundamental tenet

only the right wing praises the virtues of tax cut economics in public venues.

If you want to create demand then let people keep more of the money they earn so they have more to spend.

This way everyone's spending power increases

in right wing fantasy, you are Always right.

stop complaining about the cost of broken social service windows.

raising the minimum wage means more people have more money.

come on chics, help us out;

the law of large numbers or,

we are not going!

You obviously don't understand how the cost of goods and services are calculated.

And you certainly do not understand that everyone making more than whatever you want to raise the minimum wage to will see a decrease in their purchasing power as the price of everything rises while their pay does not.

 

[danielpalos]

Since labor is only 20% of the price, doubling the labor costs only raises the price 20%. Try and remain calm. The number of people that can afford the cost more than makes up for it.

Does it? How does that make any sense? Unless you're raising everyone's wages by 20%, those not getting the raises will be able to afford less eating out.

I suppose you could make the point that raising the bottom wage to $15/hr would effectively raise the wages of everyone above that too (along with prices) but if it all zeros out in the end, what's the fucking point?

lol. How does it All Zero Out in the End, right wingers.

You need divine intervention or a can of non-economic Ubik.

 

[danielpalos]

It is not Your money if we have problems in our Republic. Government is socialism. Congress has Power to Tax.

Congress has the power to tax if we allow them to do so! Congress is not the "landed gentry" lording it over the rest of us...they are our representatives and are in Washington to do our bidding.

Tax cut economics are worthless if they don't balance the budget.

When you have a budget you balance it by not spending more than you make

The morons in government have yet to learn this most fundamental tenet

only the right wing praises the virtues of tax cut economics in public venues.

/—-/ Becauae libtards never praise people keeping more of their own money in public. They do, however, tell their tax preparer to take every deduction they possibly can even inflating their expenses- greedy little bast*rds

Tax cut economics as an economic strategy is Worthless if it doesn't cover Spending.

There are no excuses in Politics, only that the right wing gets the blame.

 

[Blues Man]

What does wealth inequality have to do with my question? Try not to be TOO obtuse, Daniel! It's a simple question. How do you increase the minimum wage to $15 an hour and not see a huge spike in wage increases to everyone else?

Higher paid labor pays more in Taxes and create more in Demand. Capitalism, what capital concept.

And when the price of everything rises that higher pay is negated.

IF you waved your magic unicorn horn wand and every single person that is getting less than $15 an hour gets a raise then the price of everything would rise so the people who got a raise would be paying more for everything and the people who didn't get a raise would lose what purchasing power they had

This is an extension of the Broken Windows fallacy

All you have is a fallacy of false Cause by appealing to ignorance of economics.

No I have decades of experience running a business

You have no idea how much it costs to employ a person do you?

how much does Labor cost as a percentage of your overall business?

And, why are you whining about any Minimum wage and not any Maximum wage.

For small business in general labor costs are one of the highest expenses.

And FYI labor costs are not equal to the sum of the salaries of your employees.

So why don't you educate yourself as to what it actually costs to keep a person on payroll

Labor Costs are the Biggest Cost of Business

 

[danielpalos]

By definition they are not

...
No they, [i.e. government expenditures for government services ] aren't [service products].
Laws and law enforcement aren't production.

Blues Man, U.S. Department of Defense expenditures are due to services they provide to our nation. You or I may consider many of their expenditures as wasteful, but never the less their expenditures are included within USA's annual gross domestic products. Similarly, all net law enforcement expenditures within the USA are services to our nation that are included within the calculations of our annual GDPs.

We do not test the wisdom of the expenditures that are included within our nation's expenditures. If the voters choose to squander their government's tax revenues and public credit on behalf of sports stadiums, no more or less than what our nation spends to maintain our pets, or purchase cosmetics, these are all included within our calculations of our nation's annual GDPs of goods and service products.

Although you don't choose to consider the cost of our legal justice system and law enforcement as production, economist as expressed within the calculations of our nations' GDPs do so consider them within the aggregate goods and service products we all consume.

Respectfully, Supposn

It isn't production.

and it certainly isn't socialism by definition.

Why are we wasting the (other) Peoples' tax monies if our alleged wars on crime, drugs, and terror are not those public sector means of social production not capital production?

Those are entirely different issues and have nothing to do with the topic

But for what it's worth I think the war on drugs is a waste and that all drugs should be legalized.
And I don't know if there is a war on crime as you say but we do tend to imprison too many people for nonviolent crimes

And you don't seem to realize that you are arguing that the government wastes too much money while you are simultaneously saying we should give the government more money

special pleading is right wing fantasy where You can Always be Right; you are a Right Winger, afterall.

 

[danielpalos]

socialism is about social values not capital values. Only the right wing, Never gets it.

Have you looked up the definition of socialism yet?

Word mean things.

Socialism

: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods

did you miss the Point? we are quibbling social-ism. Social is a word in a dictionary.

Words mean things when you make up definitions then what you say is utterly meaningless

lol. yes, socialism as term was invented for the Cold War, "to dumb it down for the right wing".

did you miss the Point? we are quibbling social-ism. Social is a word in a dictionary.

You are not making a point

you are however making up definitions

I am not the one appealing ignorance and relying on right wing bigotry, with an inferior argument.

 

[Blues Man]

...
No they, [i.e. government expenditures for government services ] aren't [service products].
Laws and law enforcement aren't production.

Blues Man, U.S. Department of Defense expenditures are due to services they provide to our nation. You or I may consider many of their expenditures as wasteful, but never the less their expenditures are included within USA's annual gross domestic products. Similarly, all net law enforcement expenditures within the USA are services to our nation that are included within the calculations of our annual GDPs.

We do not test the wisdom of the expenditures that are included within our nation's expenditures. If the voters choose to squander their government's tax revenues and public credit on behalf of sports stadiums, no more or less than what our nation spends to maintain our pets, or purchase cosmetics, these are all included within our calculations of our nation's annual GDPs of goods and service products.

Although you don't choose to consider the cost of our legal justice system and law enforcement as production, economist as expressed within the calculations of our nations' GDPs do so consider them within the aggregate goods and service products we all consume.

Respectfully, Supposn

It isn't production.

and it certainly isn't socialism by definition.

Why are we wasting the (other) Peoples' tax monies if our alleged wars on crime, drugs, and terror are not those public sector means of social production not capital production?

Those are entirely different issues and have nothing to do with the topic

But for what it's worth I think the war on drugs is a waste and that all drugs should be legalized.
And I don't know if there is a war on crime as you say but we do tend to imprison too many people for nonviolent crimes

And you don't seem to realize that you are arguing that the government wastes too much money while you are simultaneously saying we should give the government more money

special pleading is right wing fantasy where You can Always be Right; you are a Right Winger, afterall.

I'm not always right but I do know more than you about running a business and the costs involved

and I am not right wing.

In fact I am one of the most liberal people you will ever meet what I am not is a wacko progressive like you

 

[Blues Man]

Have you looked up the definition of socialism yet?

Word mean things.

Socialism

: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods

did you miss the Point? we are quibbling social-ism. Social is a word in a dictionary.

Words mean things when you make up definitions then what you say is utterly meaningless

lol. yes, socialism as term was invented for the Cold War, "to dumb it down for the right wing".

did you miss the Point? we are quibbling social-ism. Social is a word in a dictionary.

You are not making a point

you are however making up definitions

I am not the one appealing ignorance and relying on right wing bigotry, with an inferior argument.

bigotry?

Really?

Your credibility with me is gone

 

[danielpalos]

Congress is delegated the Power not the Right to Tax, for a Reason.

So what?

Other people's money is not yours. You pay your taxes I pay mine but I have no claim on what you earn

It is not Your money if we have problems in our Republic. Government is socialism. Congress has Power to Tax.

Congress has the power to tax if we allow them to do so! Congress is not the "landed gentry" lording it over the rest of us...they are our representatives and are in Washington to do our bidding.

Tax cut economics are worthless if they don't balance the budget.

/———/ balancing the budget involves spending cuts. If we raise taxes then Gubmint just squanders the money.

tax cut economics does't upgrade infrastructure.

 

[danielpalos]

...
No they, [i.e. government expenditures for government services ] aren't [service products].
Laws and law enforcement aren't production.

Blues Man, U.S. Department of Defense expenditures are due to services they provide to our nation. You or I may consider many of their expenditures as wasteful, but never the less their expenditures are included within USA's annual gross domestic products. Similarly, all net law enforcement expenditures within the USA are services to our nation that are included within the calculations of our annual GDPs.

We do not test the wisdom of the expenditures that are included within our nation's expenditures. If the voters choose to squander their government's tax revenues and public credit on behalf of sports stadiums, no more or less than what our nation spends to maintain our pets, or purchase cosmetics, these are all included within our calculations of our nation's annual GDPs of goods and service products.

Although you don't choose to consider the cost of our legal justice system and law enforcement as production, economist as expressed within the calculations of our nations' GDPs do so consider them within the aggregate goods and service products we all consume.

Respectfully, Supposn

It isn't production.

and it certainly isn't socialism by definition.

Why are we wasting the (other) Peoples' tax monies if our alleged wars on crime, drugs, and terror are not those public sector means of social production not capital production?

Those are entirely different issues and have nothing to do with the topic

But for what it's worth I think the war on drugs is a waste and that all drugs should be legalized.
And I don't know if there is a war on crime as you say but we do tend to imprison too many people for nonviolent crimes

And you don't seem to realize that you are arguing that the government wastes too much money while you are simultaneously saying we should give the government more money

Please don't feed the daniel.

have you found a can Ubik for trolls, yet?

 

[Blues Man]

So what?

Other people's money is not yours. You pay your taxes I pay mine but I have no claim on what you earn

It is not Your money if we have problems in our Republic. Government is socialism. Congress has Power to Tax.

Congress has the power to tax if we allow them to do so! Congress is not the "landed gentry" lording it over the rest of us...they are our representatives and are in Washington to do our bidding.

Tax cut economics are worthless if they don't balance the budget.

/———/ balancing the budget involves spending cuts. If we raise taxes then Gubmint just squanders the money.

tax cut economics does't upgrade infrastructure.

neither do stimulus packages

 

[danielpalos]

Tax cut economics are worthless if they don't balance the budget.

When you have a budget you balance it by not spending more than you make

The morons in government have yet to learn this most fundamental tenet

only the right wing praises the virtues of tax cut economics in public venues.

If you want to create demand then let people keep more of the money they earn so they have more to spend.

This way everyone's spending power increases

in right wing fantasy, you are Always right.

stop complaining about the cost of broken social service windows.

raising the minimum wage means more people have more money.

come on chics, help us out;

the law of large numbers or,

we are not going!

You obviously don't understand how the cost of goods and services are calculated.

And you certainly do not understand that everyone making more than whatever you want to raise the minimum wage to will see a decrease in their purchasing power as the price of everything rises while their pay does not.

even the dollar menu won't double, even with a doubling of the minimum wage.

 

[Blues Man]

When you have a budget you balance it by not spending more than you make

The morons in government have yet to learn this most fundamental tenet

only the right wing praises the virtues of tax cut economics in public venues.

If you want to create demand then let people keep more of the money they earn so they have more to spend.

This way everyone's spending power increases

in right wing fantasy, you are Always right.

stop complaining about the cost of broken social service windows.

raising the minimum wage means more people have more money.

come on chics, help us out;

the law of large numbers or,

we are not going!

You obviously don't understand how the cost of goods and services are calculated.

And you certainly do not understand that everyone making more than whatever you want to raise the minimum wage to will see a decrease in their purchasing power as the price of everything rises while their pay does not.

even the dollar menu won't double, even with a doubling of the minimum wage.

I never said it would

I said the price hamburgers is affected by more variables than the labor cost of the business that sells hamburgers

 

[danielpalos]

Higher paid labor pays more in Taxes and create more in Demand. Capitalism, what capital concept.

And when the price of everything rises that higher pay is negated.

IF you waved your magic unicorn horn wand and every single person that is getting less than $15 an hour gets a raise then the price of everything would rise so the people who got a raise would be paying more for everything and the people who didn't get a raise would lose what purchasing power they had

This is an extension of the Broken Windows fallacy

All you have is a fallacy of false Cause by appealing to ignorance of economics.

No I have decades of experience running a business

You have no idea how much it costs to employ a person do you?

how much does Labor cost as a percentage of your overall business?

And, why are you whining about any Minimum wage and not any Maximum wage.

For small business in general labor costs are one of the highest expenses.

And FYI labor costs are not equal to the sum of the salaries of your employees.

So why don't you educate yourself as to what it actually costs to keep a person on payroll

Labor Costs are the Biggest Cost of Business

Why should we about Capitalists who can Only make on Cheap Labor in our more expensive First World economy? They should, "make like Henry Ford" or admit they don't have the Capital fortitude.

 

[Blues Man]

And when the price of everything rises that higher pay is negated.

IF you waved your magic unicorn horn wand and every single person that is getting less than $15 an hour gets a raise then the price of everything would rise so the people who got a raise would be paying more for everything and the people who didn't get a raise would lose what purchasing power they had

This is an extension of the Broken Windows fallacy

All you have is a fallacy of false Cause by appealing to ignorance of economics.

No I have decades of experience running a business

You have no idea how much it costs to employ a person do you?

how much does Labor cost as a percentage of your overall business?

And, why are you whining about any Minimum wage and not any Maximum wage.

For small business in general labor costs are one of the highest expenses.

And FYI labor costs are not equal to the sum of the salaries of your employees.

So why don't you educate yourself as to what it actually costs to keep a person on payroll

Labor Costs are the Biggest Cost of Business

Why should we about Capitalists who can Only make on Cheap Labor in our more expensive First World economy? They should, "make like Henry Ford" or admit they don't have the Capital fortitude.

I know you think you said something in those sentences but you really didn't.

 

[danielpalos]

Blues Man, U.S. Department of Defense expenditures are due to services they provide to our nation. You or I may consider many of their expenditures as wasteful, but never the less their expenditures are included within USA's annual gross domestic products. Similarly, all net law enforcement expenditures within the USA are services to our nation that are included within the calculations of our annual GDPs.

We do not test the wisdom of the expenditures that are included within our nation's expenditures. If the voters choose to squander their government's tax revenues and public credit on behalf of sports stadiums, no more or less than what our nation spends to maintain our pets, or purchase cosmetics, these are all included within our calculations of our nation's annual GDPs of goods and service products.

Although you don't choose to consider the cost of our legal justice system and law enforcement as production, economist as expressed within the calculations of our nations' GDPs do so consider them within the aggregate goods and service products we all consume.

Respectfully, Supposn

It isn't production.

and it certainly isn't socialism by definition.

Why are we wasting the (other) Peoples' tax monies if our alleged wars on crime, drugs, and terror are not those public sector means of social production not capital production?

Those are entirely different issues and have nothing to do with the topic

But for what it's worth I think the war on drugs is a waste and that all drugs should be legalized.
And I don't know if there is a war on crime as you say but we do tend to imprison too many people for nonviolent crimes

And you don't seem to realize that you are arguing that the government wastes too much money while you are simultaneously saying we should give the government more money

special pleading is right wing fantasy where You can Always be Right; you are a Right Winger, afterall.

I'm not always right but I do know more than you about running a business and the costs involved

and I am not right wing.

In fact I am one of the most liberal people you will ever meet what I am not is a wacko progressive like you

do you get any capital tax preference for simply doing your job and paying Labor?

 

[dblack]

All you have is a fallacy of false Cause by appealing to ignorance of economics.

No I have decades of experience running a business

You have no idea how much it costs to employ a person do you?

how much does Labor cost as a percentage of your overall business?

And, why are you whining about any Minimum wage and not any Maximum wage.

For small business in general labor costs are one of the highest expenses.

And FYI labor costs are not equal to the sum of the salaries of your employees.

So why don't you educate yourself as to what it actually costs to keep a person on payroll

Labor Costs are the Biggest Cost of Business

Why should we about Capitalists who can Only make on Cheap Labor in our more expensive First World economy? They should, "make like Henry Ford" or admit they don't have the Capital fortitude.

I know you think you said something in those sentences but you really didn't.

Seriously, daniel's not all there. Not much point chasing him around and around.