New Zealand: First They Took Their Guns.....Now They're Removing Jesus From Their Lives

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Joe certainly is a touchy-feely kind guy. Too many pictures of him doing just what was described for him to deny it.

When I slam liberals for what they say or do, I am not slamming "christians" in that I am not slamming them for BEING christians.


When the New Zealand government purges Christianity from the public prayer, as it did, it is denying the heritage and faith of New Zealand Christians BECAUSE they are Christians.


if they were Muslims, their faith was and is, and will be publicly celebrated.


Different rules for different folks.


It is called religious discrimination.

Has the new prayer removed 'Jesus' and replaced it with 'Allah' or something?
Perhaps you're upset because the prayer no longer discriminates in favour of your faith.

Note the double standard.


Islam is observed nation wide, and that is fine.


Meanwhile any reference to Christianity is considered discrimination against everyone else.

I'd be interested in your best evidence of Christianity being discriminated against in favour of Islam in NZ.
Removing Jesus from the parliamentary prayer doesn't count because it hasn't been replaced with any Islamic reference.

Whys all of a sudden is Jesus offensive in NZ?

Liberals. They always find Christianity offensive. But now they have an excuse for their bigotry.

Why are you upset?
Where are Christians being offended against in NZ?

 

[cnm]

I always heard the word came from Florida cattlemen cracking whips herding their cows?

I've heard that too, as well as cracking pecans in Georgia.

 

[cnm]

But Christians do. And they have the right to publicly celebrate their faith and heritage.

Not through tax payer funded government.

 

[cnm]

Purging Christian references while celebrating Islam, is religious discrimination.

I love the sight of snowflakes melting in the sun.

 

[cnm]

That's your problem, that you are impressed with Jacinda the Socialist traitor, who is selling land in New Zealand, to other globalists, totalitarians like her, like there is no tomorrow!

That was actually John Key, the previous PM, formerly a merchant banker, which wasn't hard to see. But please don't abandon your delusions, I find them vastly entertaining.

 

[cnm]

Is the purging of any Christian references from the public prayer per the OP, a singular event, that will never be repeated or built upon?

Are there other Christian references we can purge? Woo hoo!

 

[cnm]

Why are you [Correll] upset?
Where are Christians being offended against in NZ?

The zero sum game of Christian Taliban.

 

[mudwhistle]

Yup......it's started.

New Zealand Christians Outraged as Govt Removes All References to Jesus From Parliamentary Prayer
03-30-2019
Steve Warren



Just barely two weeks following the mosque shootings in Christchurch, New Zealand, the government has decided to remove all references to Jesus Christ from its parliamentary prayer.

The move by Speaker of the House Trevor Mallard has angered the country's Christian population. Mallard made the decision in order to drop references to Jesus in order to make the prayer "more inclusive" for all parliamentarians.

The Guardian reports a reference to "Almighty God" remains, but it is not a specific reference to a Christian God.

Earlier this week, around 1,000 people protested just outside of the parliament building in Wellington. The group wanted Jesus name reinstated in the prayer because Christianity is part of the nation's history.

Ross Smith, the organizer of the event, told Radio NZ the country has a Christian heritage that should not be erased.

"It's a legacy. The principals and the values that are in this nation are based on our Christian-Judea roots. Removing the name would destroy those roots," he said.

"He needs a good kick in his pants, and he needs to actually be removed because this is a Christian nation," protester Rieki Teutscher told Radio NZ. We don't share his atheism."

Another demonstrator, Carmel Morgan, said Mallard should have consulted with New Zealanders or announced a referendum before changing the prayer.

"This is a land of democracy, this is a land of freedom, you know, we want to be a first world country... he took that choice away from us."

Other New Zealand politicians also voiced their concern over the change made by the speaker without consulting the entire parliament.

Well, the decision as to what should be changed should be made by parliamentarians and not the speaker – that's our position, I don't mind telling you publicly," deputy prime minister Winston Peters told RadioNZ.

"If you're going to make a change let's have parliament decide – not one person," Peters added.

Mallard said he had consulted other politicians and the majority he spoke to were in favor of a secular prayer.

One week after a white supremacist gunman opened fire inside two mosques, killing 50 people, the entire country observed a Muslim call to prayer. The event was televised nationwide. New Zealand Christians Outraged as Govt Removes All References to Jesus From Parliamentary Prayer​

In a country with vastly different religious beliefs like New Zealand, government should be neutral otherwise it invites accusations of religious discrimination and stirs up hatred. However, I think the timing of this decision is bad.

However, I think the timing of this decision is bad
What...October last year?
We're criticising the NZ government for not having the power of prescience now?

LIAR!!!
The article was dated on the 30th of March. This has nothing to do with October of last year.

 

[mudwhistle]

Yup......it's started.

New Zealand Christians Outraged as Govt Removes All References to Jesus From Parliamentary Prayer
03-30-2019
Steve Warren



Just barely two weeks following the mosque shootings in Christchurch, New Zealand, the government has decided to remove all references to Jesus Christ from its parliamentary prayer.

The move by Speaker of the House Trevor Mallard has angered the country's Christian population. Mallard made the decision in order to drop references to Jesus in order to make the prayer "more inclusive" for all parliamentarians.

The Guardian reports a reference to "Almighty God" remains, but it is not a specific reference to a Christian God.

Earlier this week, around 1,000 people protested just outside of the parliament building in Wellington. The group wanted Jesus name reinstated in the prayer because Christianity is part of the nation's history.

Ross Smith, the organizer of the event, told Radio NZ the country has a Christian heritage that should not be erased.

"It's a legacy. The principals and the values that are in this nation are based on our Christian-Judea roots. Removing the name would destroy those roots," he said.

"He needs a good kick in his pants, and he needs to actually be removed because this is a Christian nation," protester Rieki Teutscher told Radio NZ. We don't share his atheism."

Another demonstrator, Carmel Morgan, said Mallard should have consulted with New Zealanders or announced a referendum before changing the prayer.

"This is a land of democracy, this is a land of freedom, you know, we want to be a first world country... he took that choice away from us."

Other New Zealand politicians also voiced their concern over the change made by the speaker without consulting the entire parliament.

Well, the decision as to what should be changed should be made by parliamentarians and not the speaker – that's our position, I don't mind telling you publicly," deputy prime minister Winston Peters told RadioNZ.

"If you're going to make a change let's have parliament decide – not one person," Peters added.

Mallard said he had consulted other politicians and the majority he spoke to were in favor of a secular prayer.

One week after a white supremacist gunman opened fire inside two mosques, killing 50 people, the entire country observed a Muslim call to prayer. The event was televised nationwide. New Zealand Christians Outraged as Govt Removes All References to Jesus From Parliamentary Prayer​

In a country with vastly different religious beliefs like New Zealand, government should be neutral otherwise it invites accusations of religious discrimination and stirs up hatred. However, I think the timing of this decision is bad.

--------------------------------- funny and PARTLY agree . Timing is bad for the lefty 'gov' but otherwise its good for 'new zealander' Christians to see that their lefty gov is their enemy with ill will and intent towards them Flopper .

If October 2018 was bad timing...then what would have been good timing?
They waited for a five month gap until a mass shooting...that seems a pretty reasonable time-frame to me.

Liar.

 

[mudwhistle]

Yep....typical liberal.....can't win an argument so you scream "RACIST".
Which is ironic since my wife is half Native-American and so is my brothers and sisters.

As though the name Pocahontas was not used to deride. What did your wife and siblings think about its use?

I know it may come as a surprise....but many Native Americans are Trump supporters and have a sense of humor. They don't like fakes either.

 

[mudwhistle]

From the op, you hypocrite.



"One week after a white supremacist gunman opened fire inside two mosques, killing 50 people, the entire country observed a Muslim call to prayer. The event was televised nationwide. "


Like I said, liberal tolerance. Islam gets celebrated, while Christianity is purged.

I believe you engage in misinformation (and lies, really) when you say "liberals slam christians"

Many liberals (the majority?) are christians, themselves. They just happen to be more LIBERAL christians. It would be more accurate and honest to say liberals slam CONSERVATIVE CHRISTIANS.

The thing is....
when you slam liberals who consider themselves CHRISTIANS you, yourself, are "slamming christians"......just not CONSERVATIVE christians.


You do understand that NOT ALL CHRISTIANS are fundies?
do you?

or not?

When I slam liberals for what they say or do, I am not slamming "christians" in that I am not slamming them for BEING christians.


When the New Zealand government purges Christianity from the public prayer, as it did, it is denying the heritage and faith of New Zealand Christians BECAUSE they are Christians.


if they were Muslims, their faith was and is, and will be publicly celebrated.


Different rules for different folks.


It is called religious discrimination.

Has the new prayer removed 'Jesus' and replaced it with 'Allah' or something?
Perhaps you're upset because the prayer no longer discriminates in favour of your faith.

Note the double standard.


Islam is observed nation wide, and that is fine.


Meanwhile any reference to Christianity is considered discrimination against everyone else.

I'd be interested in your best evidence of Christianity being discriminated against in favour of Islam in NZ.
Removing Jesus from the parliamentary prayer doesn't count because it hasn't been replaced with any Islamic reference.

Not yet......that would be silly. They'll instead wait a few months....maybe a year. Then pretty soon they'll start instituting parts of Sharia Law.
Look Dude....we know you're ignorant.
Don't abuse the privilege.

 

[Pilot1]

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Joe certainly is a touchy-feely kind guy. Too many pictures of him doing just what was described for him to deny it.

From the op, you hypocrite.



"One week after a white supremacist gunman opened fire inside two mosques, killing 50 people, the entire country observed a Muslim call to prayer. The event was televised nationwide. "


Like I said, liberal tolerance. Islam gets celebrated, while Christianity is purged.

I believe you engage in misinformation (and lies, really) when you say "liberals slam christians"

Many liberals (the majority?) are christians, themselves. They just happen to be more LIBERAL christians. It would be more accurate and honest to say liberals slam CONSERVATIVE CHRISTIANS.

The thing is....
when you slam liberals who consider themselves CHRISTIANS you, yourself, are "slamming christians"......just not CONSERVATIVE christians.


You do understand that NOT ALL CHRISTIANS are fundies?
do you?

or not?

When I slam liberals for what they say or do, I am not slamming "christians" in that I am not slamming them for BEING christians.


When the New Zealand government purges Christianity from the public prayer, as it did, it is denying the heritage and faith of New Zealand Christians BECAUSE they are Christians.


if they were Muslims, their faith was and is, and will be publicly celebrated.


Different rules for different folks.


It is called religious discrimination.

Has the new prayer removed 'Jesus' and replaced it with 'Allah' or something?
Perhaps you're upset because the prayer no longer discriminates in favour of your faith.

Note the double standard.


Islam is observed nation wide, and that is fine.


Meanwhile any reference to Christianity is considered discrimination against everyone else.

I'd be interested in your best evidence of Christianity being discriminated against in favour of Islam in NZ.
Removing Jesus from the parliamentary prayer doesn't count because it hasn't been replaced with any Islamic reference.

View attachment 253066

Joe certainly is a touchy-feely kind guy. Too many pictures of him doing just what was described for him to deny it.

When I slam liberals for what they say or do, I am not slamming "christians" in that I am not slamming them for BEING christians.


When the New Zealand government purges Christianity from the public prayer, as it did, it is denying the heritage and faith of New Zealand Christians BECAUSE they are Christians.


if they were Muslims, their faith was and is, and will be publicly celebrated.


Different rules for different folks.


It is called religious discrimination.

Has the new prayer removed 'Jesus' and replaced it with 'Allah' or something?
Perhaps you're upset because the prayer no longer discriminates in favour of your faith.

Note the double standard.


Islam is observed nation wide, and that is fine.


Meanwhile any reference to Christianity is considered discrimination against everyone else.

I'd be interested in your best evidence of Christianity being discriminated against in favour of Islam in NZ.
Removing Jesus from the parliamentary prayer doesn't count because it hasn't been replaced with any Islamic reference.

Whys all of a sudden is Jesus offensive in NZ?

As far as I know he isn't.
Why do you think otherwise?

Why would the NZ government choose to NOW remove his name, and bend over backwards to accommodate Muslims? Who or what group is behind promoting Islam over Christianity? This is a Globalist trend.

If Jesus wasn't offensive to the NZ government why bother to remove his name? Why make a big deal out of it?

 

[mudwhistle]

View attachment 253066

Joe certainly is a touchy-feely kind guy. Too many pictures of him doing just what was described for him to deny it.

I believe you engage in misinformation (and lies, really) when you say "liberals slam christians"

Many liberals (the majority?) are christians, themselves. They just happen to be more LIBERAL christians. It would be more accurate and honest to say liberals slam CONSERVATIVE CHRISTIANS.

The thing is....
when you slam liberals who consider themselves CHRISTIANS you, yourself, are "slamming christians"......just not CONSERVATIVE christians.


You do understand that NOT ALL CHRISTIANS are fundies?
do you?

or not?

When I slam liberals for what they say or do, I am not slamming "christians" in that I am not slamming them for BEING christians.


When the New Zealand government purges Christianity from the public prayer, as it did, it is denying the heritage and faith of New Zealand Christians BECAUSE they are Christians.


if they were Muslims, their faith was and is, and will be publicly celebrated.


Different rules for different folks.


It is called religious discrimination.

Has the new prayer removed 'Jesus' and replaced it with 'Allah' or something?
Perhaps you're upset because the prayer no longer discriminates in favour of your faith.

Note the double standard.


Islam is observed nation wide, and that is fine.


Meanwhile any reference to Christianity is considered discrimination against everyone else.

I'd be interested in your best evidence of Christianity being discriminated against in favour of Islam in NZ.
Removing Jesus from the parliamentary prayer doesn't count because it hasn't been replaced with any Islamic reference.

View attachment 253066

Joe certainly is a touchy-feely kind guy. Too many pictures of him doing just what was described for him to deny it.

Has the new prayer removed 'Jesus' and replaced it with 'Allah' or something?
Perhaps you're upset because the prayer no longer discriminates in favour of your faith.

Note the double standard.


Islam is observed nation wide, and that is fine.


Meanwhile any reference to Christianity is considered discrimination against everyone else.

I'd be interested in your best evidence of Christianity being discriminated against in favour of Islam in NZ.
Removing Jesus from the parliamentary prayer doesn't count because it hasn't been replaced with any Islamic reference.

Whys all of a sudden is Jesus offensive in NZ?

As far as I know he isn't.
Why do you think otherwise?

Why would the NZ government choose to NOW remove his name, and bend over backwards to accommodate Muslims? Who or what group is behind promoting Islam over Christianity? This is a Globalist trend.

If Jesus wasn't offensive to the NZ government why bother to remove his name? Why make a big deal out of it?

Socialists are using refugees to destroy economies and cause the spread of diseases and crime to wipe out part of the world's population. It's happening in France, Germany, the UK, and most European countries. It has spread to Australia and New Zealand and now it's our turn.
These people are all part of the same group and they're using race-baiting and the #MeToo movement to put their puppet governments in place so they can stage these attacks all over the world. New Zealand pealed back the protective cover that was concealing this fraud and revealed the tactic that they're using.

 

[Correll]

Still, the point is the Speaker has the authority to manage Parliament's proceedings and he has done so. I approve. Better would be if he removed all mention of god. God has no vote.

But Christians do. And they have the right to publicly celebrate their faith and heritage.


Why are you offended by that? Why do you oppose that?

You realise that they still have that right...don't you?

Is the purging of any Christian references from the public prayer per the OP, a singular event, that will never be repeated or built upon?

I might be mistaken but I'm getting the distinct impression that you think the rights of Christians are being eroded.
Can you please identify where?
They can follow their faith openly and without impediment from the government.
They can wear t-shirts with a picture of Jesus in public, they can wear a cross around their necks, they can gather in buildings dedicated to the express worship of their chosen deity, they can perform ceremonies for noted social events such as weddings, births and deaths in the manner of their choosing...I'm not too sure where you think the oppression comes in.

When you have people pretending that any public mention of Jesus is "Discrimination" against non-Christians,


it is obvious that the goal is to discriminate against Christians,


AND that people who are so bigoted against Christians are probably already discriminating against them is what ever way they can get away with.

 

[Correll]

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Joe certainly is a touchy-feely kind guy. Too many pictures of him doing just what was described for him to deny it.

When I slam liberals for what they say or do, I am not slamming "christians" in that I am not slamming them for BEING christians.


When the New Zealand government purges Christianity from the public prayer, as it did, it is denying the heritage and faith of New Zealand Christians BECAUSE they are Christians.


if they were Muslims, their faith was and is, and will be publicly celebrated.


Different rules for different folks.


It is called religious discrimination.

Has the new prayer removed 'Jesus' and replaced it with 'Allah' or something?
Perhaps you're upset because the prayer no longer discriminates in favour of your faith.

Note the double standard.


Islam is observed nation wide, and that is fine.


Meanwhile any reference to Christianity is considered discrimination against everyone else.

I'd be interested in your best evidence of Christianity being discriminated against in favour of Islam in NZ.
Removing Jesus from the parliamentary prayer doesn't count because it hasn't been replaced with any Islamic reference.

Whys all of a sudden is Jesus offensive in NZ?

As far as I know he isn't.
Why do you think otherwise?

The behavior of the government in the op. THe words of the New Zealander lib in this thread.

 

[Correll]

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Joe certainly is a touchy-feely kind guy. Too many pictures of him doing just what was described for him to deny it.

Has the new prayer removed 'Jesus' and replaced it with 'Allah' or something?
Perhaps you're upset because the prayer no longer discriminates in favour of your faith.

Note the double standard.


Islam is observed nation wide, and that is fine.


Meanwhile any reference to Christianity is considered discrimination against everyone else.

I'd be interested in your best evidence of Christianity being discriminated against in favour of Islam in NZ.
Removing Jesus from the parliamentary prayer doesn't count because it hasn't been replaced with any Islamic reference.

Whys all of a sudden is Jesus offensive in NZ?

Liberals. They always find Christianity offensive. But now they have an excuse for their bigotry.

Why are you upset?
Where are Christians being offended against in NZ?

It bothers me to see Western Civilization declining in front of me. That is why I am upset.


The double standard and discrimination demonstrated in the OP, is an offense against Christians in NZ.

 

[pismoe]

I generally only care what happens in the USA and this War on Christianity is expected by me . Too bad that this WAR is in the USA as well as everywhere else but this War is orchestrated by 'globalist' and those interested in diversifying the USA Population as well as those whose main interest is money and economy . The USA should make or should have made itself a self supporting 'island fortress' years and years ago . .

 

[Flash]

Those people are going bat shit crazy. More gun laws. They need to ask Jesus for forgiveness for taking liberties away from the people.



And in addition to semi autos, all shotguns (pumps and semis) that can take a magazine capacity of more than 5 rounds are banned.

Sights, pistol grips (on bolt actions now too) and suppressors are also on the table.

Talk of ammunition type & cartridge restrictions, the manufacture of ammo (reloading), and quantity limits as well.

You honestly cannot make this shit up.

Tighter gun laws to enhance public safety

 

[Flash]

This is what happens when citizens are not allowed to have firearms

 

[anynameyouwish]

This is what happens when citizens are not allowed to have firearms

You are absolutely correct!

BRAVO!

When conservative nazi governments enact gun laws against NON-ARYANS (meanwhile conservative christians can have all the guns they want) THIS IS what happens......Jews, Liberals, Feminists, gays and decent people die.....


I'm sure you don't know (because the conservative media lies to you) that those german gun laws ONLY applied to NONaryan germans?