No 1st amendment in Tenn, pubs bully gays

[JakeStarkey]

Here's a rather chilling statistic for those of you that believe teachers should be reporting to a kids parents that he or she is gay...

40% of homeless teenagers are gay or lesbian. Gays make up, what, 4-10% of the population depending on who you ask and yet 40% of homeless teens are gay. 26% of teens that come out to their parents are asked to leave the home.

Lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender youth: An epidemic of homelessness

That is why the teen should be the one making the decision to come out, not a third party.

The turth of the matter is that runaway chidren are ruthlessly exploited by gays. That might have a little to do with it.

And by heterosexuals.

 

[ArmyCowboy]

Children do not have the full protection of the First Amendment. Everyone knows that.

Parents not only have the right, but the duty to know what their children are doing.

The wonderfully stupid notion that parents have no right to know what their children are doing because they might disapprove and throw the children out of the house deserves no consideration at all.

Another person wanting to expand the role of government, through the schools, into our daily lives.

Wonderful.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Children do not have the full protection of the First Amendment. Everyone knows that.

Parents not only have the right, but the duty to know what their children are doing.

The wonderfully stupid notion that parents have no right to know what their children are doing because they might disapprove and throw the children out of the house deserves no consideration at all.

Another person wanting to expand the role of government, through the schools, into our daily lives.

Wonderful.

Crackerjaxon is a socialist.

 

[Crackerjaxon]

Here's a rather chilling statistic for those of you that believe teachers should be reporting to a kids parents that he or she is gay...

40% of homeless teenagers are gay or lesbian. Gays make up, what, 4-10% of the population depending on who you ask and yet 40% of homeless teens are gay. 26% of teens that come out to their parents are asked to leave the home.

Lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender youth: An epidemic of homelessness

That is why the teen should be the one making the decision to come out, not a third party.

The turth of the matter is that runaway chidren are ruthlessly exploited by gays. That might have a little to do with it.

And by heterosexuals.

Certainly. How do you think it affects that 40% homosexual figure?

 

[JakeStarkey]

The turth of the matter is that runaway chidren are ruthlessly exploited by gays. That might have a little to do with it.

And by heterosexuals.

Certainly. How do you think it affects that 40% homosexual figure?

It doesn't, and I know you have no figures at all for your silly statement.

 

[Wacky Quacky]

Children do not have the full protection of the First Amendment. Everyone knows that.

Parents not only have the right, but the duty to know what their children are doing.

The wonderfully stupid notion that parents have no right to know what their children are doing because they might disapprove and throw the children out of the house deserves no consideration at all.

Parents have a right to know, but teachers don't have a right to butt in on a kid's sexual affairs. Unless it interferes with that kid's schoolwork or the kid is in obvious distress. It's not their responsibility. Just because a kid is at school doesn't transfer the rights and obligations of the parent to the teacher. There's a boundary, and teachers need to respect that (As long as it doesn't interfere with schoolwork or the kid is in obvious distress).

 

[koshergrl]

Children do not have the full protection of the First Amendment. Everyone knows that.

Parents not only have the right, but the duty to know what their children are doing.

The wonderfully stupid notion that parents have no right to know what their children are doing because they might disapprove and throw the children out of the house deserves no consideration at all.

Another person wanting to expand the role of government, through the schools, into our daily lives.

Wonderful.

By requiring that they not encourage confidences and keep secrets from parents?

Hogwash.

"To establish a good relationship with the child and the child’s family, child groomers might do several things. For example, they might take an undue interest in someone else’s child, to be the child’s “special” friend to gain the child’s trust."

"They may simply talk about sexual topics. These are just some of the methods a child groomer might use to gain a child's trust and affection to allow them to do what they want."

"They might talk about problems normally discussed between adults, or at least people of the same age."


Child grooming - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Papageorgio]

Children do not have the full protection of the First Amendment. Everyone knows that.

Parents not only have the right, but the duty to know what their children are doing.

The wonderfully stupid notion that parents have no right to know what their children are doing because they might disapprove and throw the children out of the house deserves no consideration at all.

Parents have a right to know, but teachers don't have a right to butt in on a kid's sexual affairs. Unless it interferes with that kid's schoolwork or the kid is in obvious distress. It's not their responsibility. Just because a kid is at school doesn't transfer the rights and obligations of the parent to the teacher. There's a boundary, and teachers need to respect that (As long as it doesn't interfere with schoolwork or the kid is in obvious distress).

Teacher butt in on everything else, what's the difference?

 

[Wacky Quacky]

Why? If the kid is hiding his or her sexuality from their parents, there is usually a reason.

Kids hide a lot from their parents because they think the parent won't understand, or is unfair or mean. It is a lot of opinion based on inexperience with life.

Kids have been hiding sex and sexuality from parents for decades and 99% of parents understand. It is their child, who they gave birth to, who they love more than life itself. I think parents and kids aren't given the credit for their ability to communicate and learn from each other.

And the schools have no right to be helping the kids hide information of any kind from their parents. If there's an abuse issue, that's another matter..report it (which they often don't). But if it's just a "parents don't need to know what you're doing or thinking" issue, that's wrong, and in some cases, illegal.

It's not hiding. The teachers have no business even caring about a kid's sexual orientation.

 

[ArmyCowboy]

Children do not have the full protection of the First Amendment. Everyone knows that.

Parents not only have the right, but the duty to know what their children are doing.

The wonderfully stupid notion that parents have no right to know what their children are doing because they might disapprove and throw the children out of the house deserves no consideration at all.

Another person wanting to expand the role of government, through the schools, into our daily lives.

Wonderful.

Crackerjaxon is a socialist.

Well, that would explain that.

 

[ArmyCowboy]

Children do not have the full protection of the First Amendment. Everyone knows that.

Parents not only have the right, but the duty to know what their children are doing.

The wonderfully stupid notion that parents have no right to know what their children are doing because they might disapprove and throw the children out of the house deserves no consideration at all.

Another person wanting to expand the role of government, through the schools, into our daily lives.

Wonderful.

By requiring that they not encourage confidences and keep secrets from parents?

Hogwash.

"To establish a good relationship with the child and the child’s family, child groomers might do several things. For example, they might take an undue interest in someone else’s child, to be the child’s “special” friend to gain the child’s trust."

"They may simply talk about sexual topics. These are just some of the methods a child groomer might use to gain a child's trust and affection to allow them to do what they want."

"They might talk about problems normally discussed between adults, or at least people of the same age."


Child grooming - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

They're not ecouraging anything.

They're minding their damned business and doing the job of teaching.

 

[Wacky Quacky]

Children do not have the full protection of the First Amendment. Everyone knows that.

Parents not only have the right, but the duty to know what their children are doing.

The wonderfully stupid notion that parents have no right to know what their children are doing because they might disapprove and throw the children out of the house deserves no consideration at all.

Parents have a right to know, but teachers don't have a right to butt in on a kid's sexual affairs. Unless it interferes with that kid's schoolwork or the kid is in obvious distress. It's not their responsibility. Just because a kid is at school doesn't transfer the rights and obligations of the parent to the teacher. There's a boundary, and teachers need to respect that (As long as it doesn't interfere with schoolwork or the kid is in obvious distress).

Teacher butt in on everything else, what's the difference?

A person's sexual orientation is a very personal matter. No one is obligated to tell anyone a damn thing about it. A teacher can ask if they feel there's a problem, but if the student doesn't want to talk about it then that's that. All the teacher can do at that point is inform the parent, IF THERE'S A PROBLEM. Simply being gay isn't a problem.

 

[Crackerjaxon]

And by heterosexuals.

Certainly. How do you think it affects that 40% homosexual figure?

It doesn't, and I know you have no figures at all for your silly statement.

I didn't supply the figures. The 40% comes from another post.

Sorry about that.

No one keeps figures on the exploitation of adolescent boys by homosexuals. The practice is palmed off as pedophelia, which it is not, or totally ignored because of political considerations.

By ignoring it, the gay community hopes it will go away, I guess. The best thing they can say about it is that perverted heterosexuals exploit adolescent girls, as if that somehow justifies the practice.

If you actually want proof, simply spend an hour or two observing on Sunset Strip in LA, or the Tenderloin in San Francisco. Of course, these are not the only places it takes place, just the places where it's readily and blatantly observable.

...or you can keep pretending that it doesn't happen because there's no "scientific" proof.

 

[Seawytch]

Certainly. How do you think it affects that 40% homosexual figure?

It doesn't, and I know you have no figures at all for your silly statement.

I didn't supply the figures. The 40% comes from another post.

Sorry about that.

No one keeps figures on the exploitation of adolescent boys by homosexuals. The practice is palmed off as pedophelia, which it is not, or totally ignored because of political considerations.

By ignoring it, the gay community hopes it will go away, I guess. The best thing they can say about it is that perverted heterosexuals exploit adolescent girls, as if that somehow justifies the practice.

If you actually want proof, simply spend an hour or two observing on Sunset Strip in LA, or the Tenderloin in San Francisco. Of course, these are not the only places it takes place, just the places where it's readily and blatantly observable.

...or you can keep pretending that it doesn't happen because there's no "scientific" proof.

Last time I checked, there were teen prostitutes of both genders walking the streets. Look at all those heterosexual males exploiting them!

Over half the gay teens on the streets are there because their parents kicked them out.

 

[JakeStarkey]

We discovered, much to our horror, a "chicken" factory in a home in our community.

A heterosexual couple had established a brothel of boy prostitutes for male customers.

By the time it was all over more than a dozen families were shattered, six went to jail, and two committed suicide

The facilitators were heterosexual in this case, which seems to almost always the case.

 

[AmyNation]

I wonder if such a law passes, and a child commits sucide by being falsely outed by his teacher, or is killed by his/her parents, can the state be held liable?

 

[JakeStarkey]

I wonder if such a law passes, and a child commits sucide by being falsely outed by his teacher, or is killed by his/her parents, can the state be held liable?

The school, its personnel, the parents, and the church all may be possible liable.

 

[koshergrl]

I wonder if such a law passes, and a child commits sucide by being falsely outed by his teacher, or is killed by his/her parents, can the state be held liable?

No.

I wonder if a teacher hides it from the parents, and it turns out the teacher is a predator...can the school be held liable? Yup.

Or if a teacher hides it from the parents, and the child is targeted and killed by classmates and the parents never even knew he was identified as gay...can the school be held liable? Yup.

So again, you're arguing to *hide* things from parents. That's what people who exploit children do. It's not the right tactic, ever, to take. That's why we teach children that secrets held between adults and children are BAD:

"Sharing sexual material – capitalizing on a kid’s natural curiosity to normalize sexual behavior by showing pictures, videos, text messages, photos, websites, notes, etc. of a sexual nature
Breaking Rules - encouraging a kid to break rules, which establishes secret-keeping as part of the relationship and can be used as blackmail in the future."

http://schoolcounselingbyheart.wordpress.com/2012/08/26/teaching-kids-to-recognize-grooming/

 

[Seawytch]

I wonder if such a law passes, and a child commits sucide by being falsely outed by his teacher, or is killed by his/her parents, can the state be held liable?

No.

I wonder if a teacher hides it from the parents, and it turns out the teacher is a predator...can the school be held liable? Yup.

Or if a teacher hides it from the parents, and the child is targeted and killed by classmates and the parents never even knew he was identified as gay...can the school be held liable? Yup.

So again, you're arguing to *hide* things from parents. That's what people who exploit children do. It's not the right tactic, ever, to take. That's why we teach children that secrets held between adults and children are BAD:

"Sharing sexual material – capitalizing on a kid’s natural curiosity to normalize sexual behavior by showing pictures, videos, text messages, photos, websites, notes, etc. of a sexual nature
Breaking Rules - encouraging a kid to break rules, which establishes secret-keeping as part of the relationship and can be used as blackmail in the future."

http://schoolcounselingbyheart.wordpress.com/2012/08/26/teaching-kids-to-recognize-grooming/

Not related to disclosing sexual orientation.

Why do you feel that that parents MUST BE informed if a kid tells a counselor they are gay. What purpose would it serve?

 

[koshergrl]

Yes, it IS related to disclosing sexual orientation, if you are proposing that school counselors keep secrets of a sexual nature from parents. That IS the definition of grooming. And to tell children that in MOST cases, it's highly dangerous to keep sexual secrets with an adult, and not tell your parents...but that in THIS case it's okay sends mixed signals...besides which, it's just straight up grooming. "It's never okay to keep secrets from your parents...UNLESS they're secrets of a sexual nature that you've shared with another adult". That's crazy.