No 1st amendment in Tenn, pubs bully gays

[koshergrl]

As to the Category A and B outline is to show that ANY sexual activity (whether homosexual or heterosexual) would be reported by the school. Since it's already reported, why have a new law just for "homosexual activity"?

Unfortunately, just stating your own view of cat a and cat b doesn't accomplish that.

If a School Counselor see's two guys walking down the hall holding hands is that reportable under the premise that they might be having sex?

Possibly.

If a School Counselor see's a guy and a girl walking down the hall holding hands is that reportable under the premise that they might be having sex?

Possibly.

Should the situations be treated the same or differently?

The same. Unfortunately, our schools treat and view homosexual kids differently. They hold them, and themselves, to a different standard based upon the child's alleged "homosexuality". They think if a kid is gay, then they no longer have to report suspected sexual abuse. That's what the bill is about.


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Sadly, they function under the misapprehension that they can ignore their responsibilities as mandatory reporters if they suspect children are engaging in sodomy, and withhold the information from the authorities and the child's parents. In fact, they go so far as to encourage homosexual activity, simply by right of refusing to report it, and standing between a child and his or her parents as some sort of "homosexual act defender". Reference Amy's many posts to the tune of: "Sex between children is legal, do you hear? It's LEGAL an the parents don't need to know!"

See this is where the logic fails.

You say that heterosexual and homosexual "sexual activity" should be treated the same, yet this law ONLY requires the reporting of homosexual activity to a different degree then would apply to heterosexuals.


If the law was intended to apply equally to both groups it would not have been written in the context of homosexual activity, it would have been written in view of "sexual activity" equally applicable to both.


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I've addressed this, specifically, several times. It's time to move on. The schools think they have a pass on mandatory reporting when it comes to homosexual students; this law specifies that they don't.

Next.

 

[nodoginnafight]

But you maintain that it's legal for underaged kids to bang each other..and nobody should bother reporting it.

But this bill only requires reporting of homosexual acts.

Should heterosexual acts be reported? Why doesn't this bill address that?

 

[AmyNation]

But you maintain that it's legal for underaged kids to bang each other..and nobody should bother reporting it.

I repeatedly said its illegal for them to engage in sex in school. It's illegal for them to kiss, hold hands, and hug too.

So what "homosexual activity" is still unreportable that needs addressing?

 

[koshergrl]

The bill, specifically, requires counselors who are counseling children who are being bullied and are at risk of suicide, to advise the child's parents of the bullying and the child's homosexual activity (if any). And it is THAT that these freaks are objecting to. They don't want to be forced to tell parents that a child is being bullied IF they're being bullied because they are gay.

In other words, they don't want the parents to know their children are in danger, or are contemplating suicide, if they would be forced to tell the parents that the kids are gay as well:

"In the past, opponents have worried the bill would keep counselors from talking to kids who might be subjected to gay bullying or questioning suicide. Campfield has changed the bill this year to allow counselors to talk to kids, but also requires counselors to notify parents about the conversation.
"If it's an emergency, if there's a health issue or a safety issue, go to them and do what you got to do, but if it's just a counseling issue parents should be involved that their children are being counseled," Campfield said.
That's the part that concerns many, who say that if kids can't confide in their counselors, they won't have anywhere to turn.
"You could call it the 'classroom tattletale' or 'snitch' bill this year in a lot of ways," said Chris Sanders, with the Tennessee Equality Project. "We think this will erode the trust between students and counselors. This is one environment, the school, where kids can be bullied or are dealing with all kinds of issues, and now they don't have a safe place to go where they can be assured of sensitivity and confidentiality.""

In other words, they don't care if gay kids commit suicide; they are willing to let them die (or be killed) BECAUSE they are gay.

THAT is why the bill focuses on homosexual kids. Because counselors are not notifying parents when gay kids are bullied or contemplating suicide.

TN bill would allow school to report students' gay activity - WSMV Channel 4

 

[koshergrl]

But you maintain that it's legal for underaged kids to bang each other..and nobody should bother reporting it.

I repeatedly said its illegal for them to engage in sex in school. It's illegal for them to kiss, hold hands, and hug too.

So what "homosexual activity" is still unreportable that needs addressing?

You repeatedly said that sex between children is legal.

 

[WorldWatcher]

Sadly, they function under the misapprehension that they can ignore their responsibilities as mandatory reporters if they suspect children are engaging in sodomy, and withhold the information from the authorities and the child's parents. In fact, they go so far as to encourage homosexual activity, simply by right of refusing to report it, and standing between a child and his or her parents as some sort of "homosexual act defender". Reference Amy's many posts to the tune of: "Sex between children is legal, do you hear? It's LEGAL an the parents don't need to know!"

See this is where the logic fails.

You say that heterosexual and homosexual "sexual activity" should be treated the same, yet this law ONLY requires the reporting of homosexual activity to a different degree then would apply to heterosexuals.


If the law was intended to apply equally to both groups it would not have been written in the context of homosexual activity, it would have been written in view of "sexual activity" equally applicable to both.


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I've addressed this, specifically, several times. It's time to move on. The schools think they have a pass on mandatory reporting when it comes to homosexual students; this law specifies that they don't.

Next.

No not next.

Your applying a double standard by supporting a law that targets only "homosexual activity" without the law even defining what "homosexual activity" is and why those specific things only need be reported for homosexuals and not heterosexuals. (Because common sense says that if a boy is banging a girl under the bleachers the parents are going to be called.)


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[koshergrl]

So what illegal activity are you so desperate to prevent?

Any illegal activity, particularly illegal sexual activity amongst children, should be prevented, when possible.

I take it you don't agree.

Being gay doesn't mean someone is having gay sex. Teachers don't report on every child who has a crush simply to ensure they aren't having sex.

Also, it is not against the law for two 15 year olds to have sex.

 

[koshergrl]

See this is where the logic fails.

You say that heterosexual and homosexual "sexual activity" should be treated the same, yet this law ONLY requires the reporting of homosexual activity to a different degree then would apply to heterosexuals.


If the law was intended to apply equally to both groups it would not have been written in the context of homosexual activity, it would have been written in view of "sexual activity" equally applicable to both.


>>>>

I've addressed this, specifically, several times. It's time to move on. The schools think they have a pass on mandatory reporting when it comes to homosexual students; this law specifies that they don't.

Next.

No not next.

Your applying a double standard by supporting a law that targets only "homosexual activity" without the law even defining what "homosexual activity" is and why those specific things only need be reported for homosexuals and not heterosexuals. (Because common sense says that if a boy is banging a girl under the bleachers the parents are going to be called.)


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Already addressed:

"
In the past, opponents have worried the bill would keep counselors from talking to kids who might be subjected to gay bullying or questioning suicide. Campfield has changed the bill this year to allow counselors to talk to kids, but also requires counselors to notify parents about the conversation.
"If it's an emergency, if there's a health issue or a safety issue, go to them and do what you got to do, but if it's just a counseling issue parents should be involved that their children are being counseled," Campfield said.
That's the part that concerns many, who say that if kids can't confide in their counselors, they won't have anywhere to turn.
"You could call it the 'classroom tattletale' or 'snitch' bill this year in a lot of ways," said Chris Sanders, with the Tennessee Equality Project. "We think this will erode the trust between students and counselors. This is one environment, the school, where kids can be bullied or are dealing with all kinds of issues, and now they don't have a safe place to go where they can be assured of sensitivity and confidentiality."
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http://www.wsmv.com/story/20875879/measure-to-allow-school-to-report-gay-activity

Counselors are being derelict in their duty to report bullying/suicidal ideation based on the fact that the child is homosexual. They are targeting homosexual children, which is why this bill refers to homosexual children specifically. They are not being properly served (depending upon your definition of *served*) by the schools, and they are being put at risk because the schools are refusing to report otherwise reportable behaviors BECAUSE THEY ARE GAY.

 

[AmyNation]

Any illegal activity, particularly illegal sexual activity amongst children, should be prevented, when possible.

I take it you don't agree.

Being gay doesn't mean someone is having gay sex. Teachers don't report on every child who has a crush simply to ensure they aren't having sex.

Also, it is not against the law for two 15 year olds to have sex.

I dont know why you keep bringing this up when it only makes you seem ill informed. I already provided the link to the law that specifically exempts children of the same age who engage in sex from consent laws.

 

[Seawytch]

I'm speaking from personal experience. Everytime a homo gets a nut up on this topic, before they flounce off they state, in indignant tones, "I HOPE YOUR CHILD TURNS HOMOSEXUAL!"

I've heard it from the best internet homotrolls.

Interesting, since I'd never wish that on a poor gay kid.

 

[koshergrl]

Actually, you provided a link that said, specifically, that sex between minors is illegal, but there is a potential defense for the ones who are closer in age. In some cases. It specifically say it's doesn't exempt the children. It says it can be used as a defense.

See, you're lying about your lies, now.

 

[koshergrl]

I'm speaking from personal experience. Everytime a homo gets a nut up on this topic, before they flounce off they state, in indignant tones, "I HOPE YOUR CHILD TURNS HOMOSEXUAL!"

I've heard it from the best internet homotrolls.

Interesting, since I'd never wish that on a poor gay kid.

Skye did, though.

 

[The Rabbi]

Fuck the fudge packers.
Fuck the carpet munchers.
You dont like it? Don't move here.

 

[Seawytch]

I'm speaking from personal experience. Everytime a homo gets a nut up on this topic, before they flounce off they state, in indignant tones, "I HOPE YOUR CHILD TURNS HOMOSEXUAL!"

I've heard it from the best internet homotrolls.

Interesting, since I'd never wish that on a poor gay kid.

Skye did, though.

Who are you talking about?

 

[koshergrl]

Per usual they're advocating for removing protections from, in this case, homosexual children...and declaring it is for the sake of the children.

What a load of garbage.

 

[koshergrl]

Interesting, since I'd never wish that on a poor gay kid.

Skye did, though.

Who are you talking about?

Another lesbian internet troll who worked this site for a long time.

 

[AmyNation]

Ok, I've bashed my head agaisnt the wall that is KG enough for today. Youre going to have continue to argue that targeting and outting gay kids is ok with others. Too much of your POV gives gives me a headache.

 

[nodoginnafight]

http://www.capitol.tn.gov/Bills/108/Bill/SB0234.pdf

Stop claiming the bill says things it doesn't.

 

[Seawytch]

Per usual they're advocating for removing protections from, in this case, homosexual children...and declaring it is for the sake of the children.

What a load of garbage.

Um, no. We are arguing against this particular law that has nothing to do with "protecting" children.

This law wouldn't protect a single child, but DOES have the potential to hurt some. Good thing it won't pass!

 

[Wicked Jester]

I swear, progressives these days view schools as some sort of sick playground.....you guys fight HARD to make sure that nobody protects those precious vessels at all, don't you?

What these loons are obviously not understanding, is that if hetero students are being bullied because they are engaging in sexual relations, the reasons for their bullying are no doubt being reported to the parents...All this law does is make it OK to tell parents that the child is being bullied because of their homo activities, which damn sure should be reported to the parents....,Problem with these idiots, is that they think the schools should do the parenting, thereby taking the parenting duties away from the parents. And a lot of it has to with the fact that many of them couldn't be a parent to a fuckin' Gerbil, let alone an actual human child.

Always remember when dealing with these liberal/progressive asshats, they only deal in emotion and hyperbole, they are NEVER honest about a damn thing.

But, they are fun to mock and laugh at. As I do about 99.9% of the time i'm up here.