No Excuses: Keystone XL Pipeline Clears Major Hurdle

[Samson]

Jobs, pffft. Whatever jobs produced will be underpaid and given to the lowest bidder. Meanwhile people continue to lose their land so fucking Canadians can export their crap to China at our expense.

Obama will let Keystone fly because of the mid terms elections. The US will benefit little from the endeavor.

Well, as long as the US will ONLY benefit "a little," then we probably shouldn't even try it.



Instead we should stick to only those investments that really pay-off BIG.....



I mean HUGE





Like Solar Panels....

The FBI is investigating what happened with Solyndra, a solar panel company that got a $535 million government-backed loan with the help of the Obama White House over the objections of federal budget analysts.

 

[R.C. Christian]

Jobs, pffft. Whatever jobs produced will be underpaid and given to the lowest bidder. Meanwhile people continue to lose their land so fucking Canadians can export their crap to China at our expense.

Obama will let Keystone fly because of the mid terms elections. The US will benefit little from the endeavor.

Well, as long as the US will ONLY benefit "a little," then we probably shouldn't even try it.



Instead we should stick to only those investments that really pay-off BIG.....



I mean HUGE





Like Solar Panels....

The FBI is investigating what happened with Solyndra, a solar panel company that got a $535 million government-backed loan with the help of the Obama White House over the objections of federal budget analysts.

I love sarcasm.

 

[DigitalDrifter]

500,000 permanent jobs?

Doing what, exactly?

Collecting Beer Cans for the 5 cent deposit.

Yep, that's what a lot of people have been doing in this Obama economy.

 

[Synthaholic]

There is no benefit to America, only risk. No pipeline.

 

[S.J.]

There is no benefit to America, only risk. No pipeline.

That may have been true about 100 years ago.

 

[Synthaholic]

There is no benefit to America, only risk. No pipeline.

That may have been true about 100 years ago.

What's the benefit, then?

Oil will flow through the United States, be refined in Texas, and shipped overseas. I mean, that's the plan. They aren't making any secret of it.

So what's the benefit to America?

 

[S.J.]

There is no benefit to America, only risk. No pipeline.

That may have been true about 100 years ago.

What's the benefit, then?

Oil will flow through the United States, be refined in Texas, and shipped overseas. I mean, that's the plan. They aren't making any secret of it.

So what's the benefit to America?

Jobs, lower gas prices (after Obama leaves), and global geopolitical leverage.

 

[Synthaholic]

That may have been true about 100 years ago.

What's the benefit, then?

Oil will flow through the United States, be refined in Texas, and shipped overseas. I mean, that's the plan. They aren't making any secret of it.

So what's the benefit to America?

Jobs, lower gas prices (after Obama leaves), and global geopolitical leverage.

What is Obama doing to keep gas prices high?

 

[Politico]

Another can't be serious question.

 

[Synthaholic]

Another can't be serious question.

If you think you know, then clue me in, Cletus.

 

[rightwinger]

1. Keystone will define Obama's legacy on climate change. The West Wing has a much different view: The real contributor to global warming is carbon emissions from coal-fired power plants, and the administration, through the Environmental Protection Agency, is using regulations to close scores of these polluters. Other power plants are quickly switching to natural gas, which still has a carbon footprint, but not nearly as bad as coal. Obama also likes to boast of doubling renewable energy and higher mileage standards for vehicles. Even if he were to approve Keystone (a final decision is still perhaps a year away), he'll try and trade it for something else the green crowd is clamoring for, perhaps an end to $4 billion in oil industry subsidies.

2. America needs Keystone's oil. We really don't. Production in the U.S. has surged to record levels on Obama's watch, while imports have fallen sharply. As recently as 2008, we imported 9.8 million barrels of oil a day, according to the Energy Information Administration. By 2012 that number had fallen to 8.5 million barrels. And we're now on track to pass Saudi Arabia as the world's top oil producer in the next two years or so — with or without Keystone.

3. Keystone's oil will be used here at home. This is one of the bigger canards. We're awash in gasoline now and can't use all have — which explains why refiners are exporting it by the boatload, literally. Refined products like gasoline and jet fuel are now one of America's biggest exports; we even send gasoline to the Middle East. Such exports have tripled in the last decade.

4. America needs Keystone because gasoline prices are at an all-time high. Sigh. Such ignorance. Gasoline prices (AAA national average) peaked in the United States at $4.11 in July 2008, six months before Obama became president. That's about $4.60 in today's dollars. But wasn't gasoline just $1.85 or so when Obama took over? Yes, because it plunged 55 percent as the U.S. economy collapsed in the fall of 2008. As the economy has recovered, restoring demand, prices have risen about 77 percent to Sunday's AAA average of $3.28.

5. Obama is to blame for gasoline prices. If you blame Obama for gasoline prices rising 77 percent in five years, then who do you blame for it rising 179 percent from 2002 to 2008? When George W. Bush took took office, Americans paid about $1.47 a gallon; by July 2008 it hit $4.11 (again, about $4.60 adjusted today for inflation).Oil and refined products like gasoline are global commodities; to suggest that any one man — be it Obama or Bush — can dictate prices is nonsense. It was disingenuous for Democrats to play the blame game then, and it's equally lame for Republicans to do so now.


http://theweek.com/article/index/255901/debunking-5-keystone-pipeline-myths

 

[Luddly Neddite]

35 permanent jobs, lots of leaks and a very small amount of oil that will go on the world market.

To rw's, that's a big win.

 

[Synthaholic]

1. Keystone will define Obama's legacy on climate change. The West Wing has a much different view: The real contributor to global warming is carbon emissions from coal-fired power plants, and the administration, through the Environmental Protection Agency, is using regulations to close scores of these polluters. Other power plants are quickly switching to natural gas, which still has a carbon footprint, but not nearly as bad as coal. Obama also likes to boast of doubling renewable energy and higher mileage standards for vehicles. Even if he were to approve Keystone (a final decision is still perhaps a year away), he'll try and trade it for something else the green crowd is clamoring for, perhaps an end to $4 billion in oil industry subsidies.

2. America needs Keystone's oil. We really don't. Production in the U.S. has surged to record levels on Obama's watch, while imports have fallen sharply. As recently as 2008, we imported 9.8 million barrels of oil a day, according to the Energy Information Administration. By 2012 that number had fallen to 8.5 million barrels. And we're now on track to pass Saudi Arabia as the world's top oil producer in the next two years or so — with or without Keystone.

3. Keystone's oil will be used here at home. This is one of the bigger canards. We're awash in gasoline now and can't use all have — which explains why refiners are exporting it by the boatload, literally. Refined products like gasoline and jet fuel are now one of America's biggest exports; we even send gasoline to the Middle East. Such exports have tripled in the last decade.

4. America needs Keystone because gasoline prices are at an all-time high. Sigh. Such ignorance. Gasoline prices (AAA national average) peaked in the United States at $4.11 in July 2008, six months before Obama became president. That's about $4.60 in today's dollars. But wasn't gasoline just $1.85 or so when Obama took over? Yes, because it plunged 55 percent as the U.S. economy collapsed in the fall of 2008. As the economy has recovered, restoring demand, prices have risen about 77 percent to Sunday's AAA average of $3.28.

5. Obama is to blame for gasoline prices. If you blame Obama for gasoline prices rising 77 percent in five years, then who do you blame for it rising 179 percent from 2002 to 2008? When George W. Bush took took office, Americans paid about $1.47 a gallon; by July 2008 it hit $4.11 (again, about $4.60 adjusted today for inflation).Oil and refined products like gasoline are global commodities; to suggest that any one man — be it Obama or Bush — can dictate prices is nonsense. It was disingenuous for Democrats to play the blame game then, and it's equally lame for Republicans to do so now.


Debunking 5 Keystone pipeline myths - The Week

True. Yet, during this huge increase in production, Americans have not seen lower gas prices. Why? Because we are exporting it as fast as we can, keeping the price high for us.

It will be the same with Keystone. More exports to a hungry world, while not lowering our gas prices a penny.

This is from only two years ago, so you know it's gotten worse:

U.S. Gas Exports Force Drivers Into Bidding War With Mexico At Pump




.

 

[Politico]

Another can't be serious question.

If you think you know, then clue me in, Cletus.

It's a not serious question posed by a party line toter who knows the answer. So no Bubba.

 

[Geaux4it]

The pipeline should be built if Obama is serious about jobs and becoming less dependent on foreign oil.

All the environmental concerns are ridiculous and completely political.

-Geaux

 

[Mr. H.]

 

[Mr. H.]

1. Keystone will define Obama's legacy on climate change. The West Wing has a much different view: The real contributor to global warming is carbon emissions from coal-fired power plants, and the administration, through the Environmental Protection Agency, is using regulations to close scores of these polluters. Other power plants are quickly switching to natural gas, which still has a carbon footprint, but not nearly as bad as coal. Obama also likes to boast of doubling renewable energy and higher mileage standards for vehicles. Even if he were to approve Keystone (a final decision is still perhaps a year away), he'll try and trade it for something else the green crowd is clamoring for, perhaps an end to $4 billion in oil industry subsidies.

2. America needs Keystone's oil. We really don't. Production in the U.S. has surged to record levels on Obama's watch, while imports have fallen sharply. As recently as 2008, we imported 9.8 million barrels of oil a day, according to the Energy Information Administration. By 2012 that number had fallen to 8.5 million barrels. And we're now on track to pass Saudi Arabia as the world's top oil producer in the next two years or so — with or without Keystone.

3. Keystone's oil will be used here at home. This is one of the bigger canards. We're awash in gasoline now and can't use all have — which explains why refiners are exporting it by the boatload, literally. Refined products like gasoline and jet fuel are now one of America's biggest exports; we even send gasoline to the Middle East. Such exports have tripled in the last decade.

4. America needs Keystone because gasoline prices are at an all-time high. Sigh. Such ignorance. Gasoline prices (AAA national average) peaked in the United States at $4.11 in July 2008, six months before Obama became president. That's about $4.60 in today's dollars. But wasn't gasoline just $1.85 or so when Obama took over? Yes, because it plunged 55 percent as the U.S. economy collapsed in the fall of 2008. As the economy has recovered, restoring demand, prices have risen about 77 percent to Sunday's AAA average of $3.28.

5. Obama is to blame for gasoline prices. If you blame Obama for gasoline prices rising 77 percent in five years, then who do you blame for it rising 179 percent from 2002 to 2008? When George W. Bush took took office, Americans paid about $1.47 a gallon; by July 2008 it hit $4.11 (again, about $4.60 adjusted today for inflation).Oil and refined products like gasoline are global commodities; to suggest that any one man — be it Obama or Bush — can dictate prices is nonsense. It was disingenuous for Democrats to play the blame game then, and it's equally lame for Republicans to do so now.


Debunking 5 Keystone pipeline myths - The Week

True. Yet, during this huge increase in production, Americans have not seen lower gas prices. Why? Because we are exporting it as fast as we can, keeping the price high for us.

It will be the same with Keystone. More exports to a hungry world, while not lowering our gas prices a penny.

This is from only two years ago, so you know it's gotten worse:

U.S. Gas Exports Force Drivers Into Bidding War With Mexico At Pump




.

From your linked opinion article:

Most of the ongoing increases in gas prices can be traced to geopolitical concerns and rampant financial speculation that have run up the cost of crude oil.

If you want facts, go to the source:

U.S. Exports of Crude Oil and Petroleum Products

And remind us again, why we pay record prices at the grocery while the U.S. exports tens of millions of tons of agricultural products each year?

 

[Synthaholic]

Another can't be serious question.

If you think you know, then clue me in, Cletus.

It's a not serious question posed by a party line toter who knows the answer. So no Bubba.

I've always known you were a fraud.

 

[Synthaholic]

The pipeline should be built if Obama is serious about jobs and becoming less dependent on foreign oil.

All the environmental concerns are ridiculous and completely political.

-Geaux

You're pretty fucking stupid.


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Alberta oil spills cause concern over Canada's approval of tar sands project | Environment | theguardian.com

Underground oil spills in Alberta continue to poison land | canada.com

 

[Synthaholic]

1. Keystone will define Obama's legacy on climate change. The West Wing has a much different view: The real contributor to global warming is carbon emissions from coal-fired power plants, and the administration, through the Environmental Protection Agency, is using regulations to close scores of these polluters. Other power plants are quickly switching to natural gas, which still has a carbon footprint, but not nearly as bad as coal. Obama also likes to boast of doubling renewable energy and higher mileage standards for vehicles. Even if he were to approve Keystone (a final decision is still perhaps a year away), he'll try and trade it for something else the green crowd is clamoring for, perhaps an end to $4 billion in oil industry subsidies.

2. America needs Keystone's oil. We really don't. Production in the U.S. has surged to record levels on Obama's watch, while imports have fallen sharply. As recently as 2008, we imported 9.8 million barrels of oil a day, according to the Energy Information Administration. By 2012 that number had fallen to 8.5 million barrels. And we're now on track to pass Saudi Arabia as the world's top oil producer in the next two years or so — with or without Keystone.

3. Keystone's oil will be used here at home. This is one of the bigger canards. We're awash in gasoline now and can't use all have — which explains why refiners are exporting it by the boatload, literally. Refined products like gasoline and jet fuel are now one of America's biggest exports; we even send gasoline to the Middle East. Such exports have tripled in the last decade.

4. America needs Keystone because gasoline prices are at an all-time high. Sigh. Such ignorance. Gasoline prices (AAA national average) peaked in the United States at $4.11 in July 2008, six months before Obama became president. That's about $4.60 in today's dollars. But wasn't gasoline just $1.85 or so when Obama took over? Yes, because it plunged 55 percent as the U.S. economy collapsed in the fall of 2008. As the economy has recovered, restoring demand, prices have risen about 77 percent to Sunday's AAA average of $3.28.

5. Obama is to blame for gasoline prices. If you blame Obama for gasoline prices rising 77 percent in five years, then who do you blame for it rising 179 percent from 2002 to 2008? When George W. Bush took took office, Americans paid about $1.47 a gallon; by July 2008 it hit $4.11 (again, about $4.60 adjusted today for inflation).Oil and refined products like gasoline are global commodities; to suggest that any one man — be it Obama or Bush — can dictate prices is nonsense. It was disingenuous for Democrats to play the blame game then, and it's equally lame for Republicans to do so now.


Debunking 5 Keystone pipeline myths - The Week

True. Yet, during this huge increase in production, Americans have not seen lower gas prices. Why? Because we are exporting it as fast as we can, keeping the price high for us.

It will be the same with Keystone. More exports to a hungry world, while not lowering our gas prices a penny.

This is from only two years ago, so you know it's gotten worse:

U.S. Gas Exports Force Drivers Into Bidding War With Mexico At Pump




.

From your linked opinion article:

Most of the ongoing increases in gas prices can be traced to geopolitical concerns and rampant financial speculation that have run up the cost of crude oil.

If you want facts, go to the source:

U.S. Exports of Crude Oil and Petroleum Products

And remind us again, why we pay record prices at the grocery while the U.S. exports tens of millions of tons of agricultural products each year?

It's not an opinion article, it's from reporter Dan Froomkin.

And why should we be paying record amounts for groceries? The same reason we pay so much for gas: no economic patriotism from the corporations, which is to be expected since they only care about profit. And no regulations by Congress to protect Americans from rising prices.


ETA: your link shows exports increasing every year, so I don't know what point you thought you were making.