No One Has a Right to Health Care

[RandallFlagg]

No One Has a Right to Health Care
by Jacob G. Hornberger February 3, 2016

Democratic Presidential candidate Bernie Sanders says that everyone has a right to health care. Unfortunately, none of his presidential opponents, Democrat or Republican, is going to challenge him on the point. They’re too scared that they’d lose votes by challenging a standard socialist shibboleth in America.

Sanders’ assertion only goes to show how American socialists (i.e., progressives) have warped and perverted the concept of rights within the minds of the American people. The fact is that no one has a right to health care any more than he has a right to a home, a car, food, spouse, or anything else.

The correct concept of rights was enunciated by Thomas Jefferson in the Declaration of Independence, the document that Americans ironically celebrate every Fourth of July. Jefferson observed that people have been endowed with certain unalienable rights, among which are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

Bernie Sanders is a clown - a communist clown. You are correct. Healthcare is NOT an inherent "right" any more than owning an automobile is a "right". Bernie Sanders has lived off the public dole for the majority of his life. The idea of this goof-ball working to pay for his own healthcare - Which I would remind everyone here that his is PAID for for the REST OF HIS MISERABLE LIFE by the American taxpayer - is repugnant to him.

Or, as Margaret Thatcher said "Socialism is fine until you run out of other peoples' money"

 

[Tom Horn]

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Ok, I'll bite. First, I'll cash in mt food stamps. Then I'll go purchase a carton of cigarettes, a case of beer, maybe a dime bag as a booster. Stop by the store and grab a couple pizzas, go home to my hud subsidized dwelling. And consume all of it. No problem. Feeling kind of sick the next morning - head for the doc. He says my heart and liver are both shot. No problem. Responsible taxpayers will fund the bill. Get out of the hospital and start the process once again. What a country.

Your story fell apart in the first sentence.....you can't "cash in" EBT debit card dollars for cigs and beer.

 

[RandallFlagg]

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Ok, I'll bite. First, I'll cash in mt food stamps. Then I'll go purchase a carton of cigarettes, a case of beer, maybe a dime bag as a booster. Stop by the store and grab a couple pizzas, go home to my hud subsidized dwelling. And consume all of it. No problem. Feeling kind of sick the next morning - head for the doc. He says my heart and liver are both shot. No problem. Responsible taxpayers will fund the bill. Get out of the hospital and start the process once again. What a country.

Your story fell apart in the first sentence.....you can't "cash in" EBT debit card dollars for cigs and beer.

Well, out there in Colorado, they have FINALLY corrected it, but the EBT cards could be used (for a time) to purchase pot. Go figure....

 

[RDD_1210]

Even prior to the ACA nobody was denied access to healthcare. If you walked into a publicly funded hospital with a stab wound or drug overdose they were required to take care of you.

An E.R. charges a thousand dollars for a visit, where people with pneumonia, gastroenteritis, panic attacks, etc. go when a doctor's visit would be vastly less expensive, if they had the insurance coverage. Who's really paying?

I am paying for it, as are other taxpayers. Nonetheless, I have no interest in paying for your "preventative care", rubbers, or cock enhancement surgery. However, since I have no desire to move elsewhere to live with Muslims and other trash I am stuck having to pay for YOUR healthcare, aren't I?

I have no interest in paying for YOUR wars or corporate bailouts.

Yeah, well, you probably don't have any money anyway. "Paying for it" does not mean getting less in gob-ment checks, fruitcake.

You caught me, I have no money. Solid analysis. Let's pretend I was rich like you. I still wouldn't want to pay for YOUR wars or corporate subsidies that YOU love so much.

 

[dblack]

To claim a "right" to health care, one must claim a right to be served by others.

Most normal people appreciate the fact that their mothers were "served" by the medical staff in the delivery room.

And they should appreciate it. But should they demand it as their right?

 

[Arianrhod]

To claim a "right" to health care, one must claim a right to be served by others.

Most normal people appreciate the fact that their mothers were "served" by the medical staff in the delivery room.

Moral people don't claim such service as their "right".

Your definition of "service" is so broad as to be meaningless. And you show your appreciation for the "service" your mother received from a team of medical professionals by wanting to deny it to others. If that's your moral code, it explains much.

 

[dblack]

To claim a "right" to health care, one must claim a right to be served by others.

Most normal people appreciate the fact that their mothers were "served" by the medical staff in the delivery room.

Moral people don't claim such service as their "right".

Your definition of "service" is so broad as to be meaningless. And you show your appreciation for the "service" your mother received from a team of medical professionals by wanting to deny it to others. If that's your moral code, it explains much.

I don't want to deny anything to anyone. That's your imagination at work again.

The problem here is that you don't have a cohesive conception of rights. You just think of them as "goods" that government should provide. Indeed, it's your conception of government as provider that muddles the concept irrevocably.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

To claim a "right" to health care, one must claim a right to be served by others.

Most normal people appreciate the fact that their mothers were "served" by the medical staff in the delivery room.

Moral people don't claim such service as their "right".

Your definition of "service" is so broad as to be meaningless. And you show your appreciation for the "service" your mother received from a team of medical professionals by wanting to deny it to others. If that's your moral code, it explains much.

How is not paying for something for somebody else denying them of anything?

If you don't pay for me to go to the movies this Friday, are you denying me the right to watch movies?

If you don't make my car payments for me, are you denying me the right to own a car?

 

[dblack]

To claim a "right" to health care, one must claim a right to be served by others.

Most normal people appreciate the fact that their mothers were "served" by the medical staff in the delivery room.

Moral people don't claim such service as their "right".

Your definition of "service" is so broad as to be meaningless. And you show your appreciation for the "service" your mother received from a team of medical professionals by wanting to deny it to others. If that's your moral code, it explains much.

How is not paying for something for somebody else denying them of anything?

If you don't pay for me to go to the movies this Friday, are you denying me the right to watch movies?

If you don't make my car payments for me, are you denying me the right to own a car?

I'll bet they don't even try to answer these questions.

 

[Wyatt earp]

No One Has a Right to Health Care
by Jacob G. Hornberger February 3, 2016

Democratic Presidential candidate Bernie Sanders says that everyone has a right to health care. Unfortunately, none of his presidential opponents, Democrat or Republican, is going to challenge him on the point. They’re too scared that they’d lose votes by challenging a standard socialist shibboleth in America.

Sanders’ assertion only goes to show how American socialists (i.e., progressives) have warped and perverted the concept of rights within the minds of the American people. The fact is that no one has a right to health care any more than he has a right to a home, a car, food, spouse, or anything else.

The correct concept of rights was enunciated by Thomas Jefferson in the Declaration of Independence, the document that Americans ironically celebrate every Fourth of July. Jefferson observed that people have been endowed with certain unalienable rights, among which are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

Rights are what we the People make them.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Healthcare should be affordable for all. It isn't. Perhaps there are ways to lower the costs. Start with big pharma...they severely overprice everything. Is a life not more important than money? If we are a nation that cherishes life then we find a way to make it a lot, I mean like cut in half, the costs.

There are many ways to lower the cost of healthcare, but BIG PHARMA isn't one of them.

Government is mostly responsible for the costs and increasing cost of healthcare insurance and healthcare itself. Yet, the liberals look to government to lower the cost.

Only a fool would think that the entity that created the problem would have a solution to it.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

To claim a "right" to health care, one must claim a right to be served by others.

Most normal people appreciate the fact that their mothers were "served" by the medical staff in the delivery room.

Moral people don't claim such service as their "right".

Your definition of "service" is so broad as to be meaningless. And you show your appreciation for the "service" your mother received from a team of medical professionals by wanting to deny it to others. If that's your moral code, it explains much.

How is not paying for something for somebody else denying them of anything?

If you don't pay for me to go to the movies this Friday, are you denying me the right to watch movies?

If you don't make my car payments for me, are you denying me the right to own a car?

I'll bet they don't even try to answer these questions.

They will try, but fail as always. The entitlement society thinks everything is a right.

 

[alpine]

No One Has a Right to Health Care
by Jacob G. Hornberger February 3, 2016

Democratic Presidential candidate Bernie Sanders says that everyone has a right to health care. Unfortunately, none of his presidential opponents, Democrat or Republican, is going to challenge him on the point. They’re too scared that they’d lose votes by challenging a standard socialist shibboleth in America.

Sanders’ assertion only goes to show how American socialists (i.e., progressives) have warped and perverted the concept of rights within the minds of the American people. The fact is that no one has a right to health care any more than he has a right to a home, a car, food, spouse, or anything else.

The correct concept of rights was enunciated by Thomas Jefferson in the Declaration of Independence, the document that Americans ironically celebrate every Fourth of July. Jefferson observed that people have been endowed with certain unalienable rights, among which are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

Then you don't have the right for internet, therefore, government can shut you down if felt necessary... which I think it should...

 

[dblack]

No One Has a Right to Health Care
by Jacob G. Hornberger February 3, 2016

Democratic Presidential candidate Bernie Sanders says that everyone has a right to health care. Unfortunately, none of his presidential opponents, Democrat or Republican, is going to challenge him on the point. They’re too scared that they’d lose votes by challenging a standard socialist shibboleth in America.

Sanders’ assertion only goes to show how American socialists (i.e., progressives) have warped and perverted the concept of rights within the minds of the American people. The fact is that no one has a right to health care any more than he has a right to a home, a car, food, spouse, or anything else.

The correct concept of rights was enunciated by Thomas Jefferson in the Declaration of Independence, the document that Americans ironically celebrate every Fourth of July. Jefferson observed that people have been endowed with certain unalienable rights, among which are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

Then you don't have the right for internet, therefore, government can shut you down if felt necessary... which I think it should...

What do you mean by "the right for internet"?

 

[dblack]

Let's clear something up here. Political rights aren't guarantees of services. They are protected freedoms.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

No One Has a Right to Health Care
by Jacob G. Hornberger February 3, 2016

Democratic Presidential candidate Bernie Sanders says that everyone has a right to health care. Unfortunately, none of his presidential opponents, Democrat or Republican, is going to challenge him on the point. They’re too scared that they’d lose votes by challenging a standard socialist shibboleth in America.

Sanders’ assertion only goes to show how American socialists (i.e., progressives) have warped and perverted the concept of rights within the minds of the American people. The fact is that no one has a right to health care any more than he has a right to a home, a car, food, spouse, or anything else.

The correct concept of rights was enunciated by Thomas Jefferson in the Declaration of Independence, the document that Americans ironically celebrate every Fourth of July. Jefferson observed that people have been endowed with certain unalienable rights, among which are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

So kick it all back to private insurance companies and you send tens of thousands back to the ER for perfunctory care. Guess who ends up getting that bill? Pay now or pay later. Preventing a health problem or catching it early is always less expensive to fixing it after it's too badly broken.

Let the insurance companies decide what your care and Rx will be, based on their bottom line and profit margins. The only way they profit is to deny claims and they try to do that at every turn. So doctors try to compensate by going overboard with uneeded tests and office visits. It's a vicious circle.

Wrong. Doctors go overboard with unneeded tests and office visits to avoid a malpractice suit. Years ago you used to see one doctor to fix just about anything. Today, one doctor pushes you off to one specialist, and then the specialist pushes you off to a different specialist. They are all trying to avoid liability.

 

[alpine]

No One Has a Right to Health Care
by Jacob G. Hornberger February 3, 2016

Democratic Presidential candidate Bernie Sanders says that everyone has a right to health care. Unfortunately, none of his presidential opponents, Democrat or Republican, is going to challenge him on the point. They’re too scared that they’d lose votes by challenging a standard socialist shibboleth in America.

Sanders’ assertion only goes to show how American socialists (i.e., progressives) have warped and perverted the concept of rights within the minds of the American people. The fact is that no one has a right to health care any more than he has a right to a home, a car, food, spouse, or anything else.

The correct concept of rights was enunciated by Thomas Jefferson in the Declaration of Independence, the document that Americans ironically celebrate every Fourth of July. Jefferson observed that people have been endowed with certain unalienable rights, among which are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

Then you don't have the right for internet, therefore, government can shut you down if felt necessary... which I think it should...

What do you mean by "the right for internet"?

Your right to access internet, like freedom of speech...

Internet is not a right in this case, is it?

 

[Wyatt earp]

No One Has a Right to Health Care
by Jacob G. Hornberger February 3, 2016

Democratic Presidential candidate Bernie Sanders says that everyone has a right to health care. Unfortunately, none of his presidential opponents, Democrat or Republican, is going to challenge him on the point. They’re too scared that they’d lose votes by challenging a standard socialist shibboleth in America.

Sanders’ assertion only goes to show how American socialists (i.e., progressives) have warped and perverted the concept of rights within the minds of the American people. The fact is that no one has a right to health care any more than he has a right to a home, a car, food, spouse, or anything else.

The correct concept of rights was enunciated by Thomas Jefferson in the Declaration of Independence, the document that Americans ironically celebrate every Fourth of July. Jefferson observed that people have been endowed with certain unalienable rights, among which are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

Then you don't have the right for internet, therefore, government can shut you down if felt necessary... which I think it should...

Lib fags still don't like that pesky first amendment I see.


Move to North korea then.

 

[alpine]

No One Has a Right to Health Care
by Jacob G. Hornberger February 3, 2016

Democratic Presidential candidate Bernie Sanders says that everyone has a right to health care. Unfortunately, none of his presidential opponents, Democrat or Republican, is going to challenge him on the point. They’re too scared that they’d lose votes by challenging a standard socialist shibboleth in America.

Sanders’ assertion only goes to show how American socialists (i.e., progressives) have warped and perverted the concept of rights within the minds of the American people. The fact is that no one has a right to health care any more than he has a right to a home, a car, food, spouse, or anything else.

The correct concept of rights was enunciated by Thomas Jefferson in the Declaration of Independence, the document that Americans ironically celebrate every Fourth of July. Jefferson observed that people have been endowed with certain unalienable rights, among which are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

Then you don't have the right for internet, therefore, government can shut you down if felt necessary... which I think it should...

Lib fags still don't like that pesky first amendment I see.


Move to North korea then.

Fuck you faggot, you can go there if you like it so much...

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Healthcare in America is not a right. It's a requirement.

So is food.

But that doesn’t mean the govt can force other people to pay for yours.

In fact, the Fed is forbidden to do that by the Constitution.

Then what are food stamps?