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please stop being an idiot. China just switched to capitalism and proved it is the most moral economic system by far. Under liberalism 60 million slowly starved to death.. We should have solved simple poverty in the US during the Great Depression and never had the experience in our historical record, but for a sad lack of a moral of "goodwill toward men".
Liberalism makes sense to the criminals, dead beats, friends of the government, and others that get a cut of their neighbor's paychecks. Liberalism doesn't work for people who actually put out effort.please stop being an idiot. China just switched to capitalism and proved it is the most moral economic system by far. Under liberalism 60 million slowly starved to death.. We should have solved simple poverty in the US during the Great Depression and never had the experience in our historical record, but for a sad lack of a moral of "goodwill toward men".
Now do you see why we say liberalism is based in pure ignorance?
No, Only idiots prefer fallacy to sublime Truth (value) through argumentation, when diagnosing the Body politic.please stop being an idiot. China just switched to capitalism and proved it is the most moral economic system by far. Under liberalism 60 million slowly starved to death.. We should have solved simple poverty in the US during the Great Depression and never had the experience in our historical record, but for a sad lack of a moral of "goodwill toward men".
Now do you see why we say liberalism is based in pure ignorance?
How immigrants work has NO BEARING whatsoever on this matter. The USA is a nation. It is composed of Americans with a govt that is supposed to protect those Americans. Part of that is seeing to it that employment in America will be for Americans (millions of whom are currently unemployed).I read the thread. From what I can tell you fear immigrants will work harder/smarter/faster than you, and as a solution you'd like to implement policies to protect you from needing to succeed on your own merit.Don't you read the thread ?
It's true that employment surveys can include illegal aliens. However with an estimated number of illegal aliens old enough to work at 9 million and 120 million people employed in the US, it's a real stretch to think that the unemployment figures could be skewed by as much as .1%. U3, the most common measure of unemployment does not consider part time employment nor temporary employment which are the most common jobs that illegal immigrants fill.And who said it was down ? The Obama administration ? And its Bureau of Labor Statisitics ? That's part of the US Dept of Commerce. And that's part of Obama's cabinet.
Here's the kicker of it. Unemployment rates include FOREIGNERS coming into the country and taking American jobs, inside the US. These include millions of illegal aliens, and many more legal aliens on work visas, added to that. NONE of these jobs should be counted in calculating unemployment rates. But every one of them is counted as employment, while every one of them should be counted as UNEMPLOYMENT.
These jobs are employment, yes. But they are employment for ANOTHER COUNTRY (not the US). A Mexican comes to the US in 2013, and for all of 2014, he is working in a particular job. Same with a guy from India. And these guys should be counted in such a way as to lower the unemployment rate ? Not hardly. This whole unemployment picture as reported by the media is poppy$#@!.
Until the govt gets every foreigner the hell out of here, and out of the jobs they're stealing from American workers, there is NOTHING to be said about unemployment, and until then there IS NO UNEMPLOYMENT RATE. And we should all stop talking about it as if there is.
NO YOU LYING POS ASS HOLE. I NEVER SAID MY "plan would require that the government know everyone's employment status." You said that you POS liar!Your exact words after I quoted you were "You lying POS I never said that either" how is that not a denial?I did not deny my exact quote either you POS liar.That was a direct quote from you in post 156. You're looking awfully foolish denying you wrote those words when it's right there for everyone to see. I didn't change anything you wrote, just cut and pasted the exact words. I omitted one previous quote from you, but that omission didn't change the context.You lying POS I never said that either. Maybe you need to learn to read, write, and cite without completely changing what people say into something completely different than what they actually said.I wasn't claiming an exact quote. But as for denyina the need for a huge bureauocracy?You most certainly did:
So how is that not denying the need for a huge bureauocracy to implement your plan?
So explain how you can deny your exact quote? Are you now admitting your plan would require a huge bureauocracy for administration?
But go ahead…clarify your position, then: Your plan would require that the government know everyone's employment status and show proof of employment or dependence on another. The government would then be responsible for finding or giving anyone not employed with a job.
How would that not require a huge bureauocracy?
I NEVER SAID MY "plan would require ... proof of employment or dependence on another." You said that you POS liar!
I never said the "government would then be responsible for finding or giving anyone not employed with a job." You said that you POS liar!
IOW YOU CAN'T IMAGINE SOLUTIONS WITHOUT "a huge" bureaucracy. Probably the same reason you are a bold faced LIAR.
Then why would applications for unemployment be down by 43,000, to their lowest level since April, 2000?*bump*NO, Unemployment is NOT DOWN
He and you both wouldn't post such sillieness, if you had read (and understood) the OP.
Don't you read the thread ? In the future, please don't come in here unprepared. Until then, this is for you >>>
Sure it does. I have the right to decide what has bearing on any matter I'm discussing, and if I was still working I'd take a hard working immigrant coworker over a lazy sloth of any nationality.How immigrants work has NO BEARING whatsoever on this matter.
A more productive society does more for Americans.The USA is a nation. It is composed of Americans with a govt that is supposed to protect those Americans.
I can smell the fear in your posts. The fear of people who might be better than you.And as far as the immigration is concerned, it is not a matter of "fear".
Only idiots prefer fallacy to sublime Truth
too stupid as always. the two are unrelated. The War on Poverty was primarily about welfare in the 1960's while the Commerce Clause was designed in 18th Century to promote free trade between states.. Why are we waging a War on Poverty when we have a Commerce Clause?
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2. it is estimated that there are about 15 million Americans unemployed . This is approximately the same number of aliens working ( legal + illegal). Take the aliens out of the US workforce, put the US unemployed din those jobs, and you have approx. zero unemployment.
Job Openings and Labor Turnover Survey News ReleaseIt has gone from 10.1 to 5.7? That is down my friend
Business wants immigrants. If you had a million dollar piece of equipment, would you want some dumb Republican with no education trying to run it???? Of course not..
2. it is estimated that there are about 15 million Americans unemployed . This is approximately the same number of aliens working ( legal + illegal). Take the aliens out of the US workforce, put the US unemployed din those jobs, and you have approx. zero unemployment.
you got one right! The liberals love illegals because the larger immigrant community will then vote liberal. THe Americans who lose their jobs to illegals love liberals too because liberals then provide the welfare they need.
You can see what a tough road Republicans face. Being responsible and being against liberals is like being against Santa Claus.
Business wants immigrants. .
Where are you getting those ridiculous numbers? According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, in December 2014 there were 6,936,000 native born Americans who were unemployed and 24,890,000foreign born who were employed.2. it is estimated that there are about 15 million Americans unemployed . This is approximately the same number of aliens working ( legal + illegal). Take the aliens out of the US workforce, put the US unemployed din those jobs, and you have approx. zero unemployment.It's true that employment surveys can include illegal aliens. However with an estimated number of illegal aliens old enough to work at 9 million and 120 million people employed in the US, it's a real stretch to think that the unemployment figures could be skewed by as much as .1%. U3, the most common measure of unemployment does not consider part time employment nor temporary employment which are the most common jobs that illegal immigrants fill.And who said it was down ? The Obama administration ? And its Bureau of Labor Statisitics ? That's part of the US Dept of Commerce. And that's part of Obama's cabinet.
Here's the kicker of it. Unemployment rates include FOREIGNERS coming into the country and taking American jobs, inside the US. These include millions of illegal aliens, and many more legal aliens on work visas, added to that. NONE of these jobs should be counted in calculating unemployment rates. But every one of them is counted as employment, while every one of them should be counted as UNEMPLOYMENT.
These jobs are employment, yes. But they are employment for ANOTHER COUNTRY (not the US). A Mexican comes to the US in 2013, and for all of 2014, he is working in a particular job. Same with a guy from India. And these guys should be counted in such a way as to lower the unemployment rate ? Not hardly. This whole unemployment picture as reported by the media is poppy$#@!.
Until the govt gets every foreigner the hell out of here, and out of the jobs they're stealing from American workers, there is NOTHING to be said about unemployment, and until then there IS NO UNEMPLOYMENT RATE. And we should all stop talking about it as if there is.
Um, sorry dipshit, with a title like:Business wants immigrants. .
dear , our subject was whether liberals or conservatives want illegal immigration, it had nothing to do with what business wants. Slow?.
Where are you getting those ridiculous numbers? According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, in December 2014 there were 6,936,000 native born Americans who were unemployed and 24,890,000foreign born who were employed.2. it is estimated that there are about 15 million Americans unemployed . This is approximately the same number of aliens working ( legal + illegal). Take the aliens out of the US workforce, put the US unemployed din those jobs, and you have approx. zero unemployment.It's true that employment surveys can include illegal aliens. However with an estimated number of illegal aliens old enough to work at 9 million and 120 million people employed in the US, it's a real stretch to think that the unemployment figures could be skewed by as much as .1%. U3, the most common measure of unemployment does not consider part time employment nor temporary employment which are the most common jobs that illegal immigrants fill.And who said it was down ? The Obama administration ? And its Bureau of Labor Statisitics ? That's part of the US Dept of Commerce. And that's part of Obama's cabinet.
Here's the kicker of it. Unemployment rates include FOREIGNERS coming into the country and taking American jobs, inside the US. These include millions of illegal aliens, and many more legal aliens on work visas, added to that. NONE of these jobs should be counted in calculating unemployment rates. But every one of them is counted as employment, while every one of them should be counted as UNEMPLOYMENT.
These jobs are employment, yes. But they are employment for ANOTHER COUNTRY (not the US). A Mexican comes to the US in 2013, and for all of 2014, he is working in a particular job. Same with a guy from India. And these guys should be counted in such a way as to lower the unemployment rate ? Not hardly. This whole unemployment picture as reported by the media is poppy$#@!.
Until the govt gets every foreigner the hell out of here, and out of the jobs they're stealing from American workers, there is NOTHING to be said about unemployment, and until then there IS NO UNEMPLOYMENT RATE. And we should all stop talking about it as if there is.
Table A-7. Employment status of the civilian population by nativity and sex not seasonally adjusted
Then you consider the part where Republicans are pro business and business wants immigration.
Unless Republicans aren't qualified for those jobs, then you just fucked over the country with some none factual based delusional solution. It's not like we haven't seen that before.Where are you getting those ridiculous numbers? According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, in December 2014 there were 6,936,000 native born Americans who were unemployed and 24,890,000foreign born who were employed.2. it is estimated that there are about 15 million Americans unemployed . This is approximately the same number of aliens working ( legal + illegal). Take the aliens out of the US workforce, put the US unemployed din those jobs, and you have approx. zero unemployment.It's true that employment surveys can include illegal aliens. However with an estimated number of illegal aliens old enough to work at 9 million and 120 million people employed in the US, it's a real stretch to think that the unemployment figures could be skewed by as much as .1%. U3, the most common measure of unemployment does not consider part time employment nor temporary employment which are the most common jobs that illegal immigrants fill.And who said it was down ? The Obama administration ? And its Bureau of Labor Statisitics ? That's part of the US Dept of Commerce. And that's part of Obama's cabinet.
Here's the kicker of it. Unemployment rates include FOREIGNERS coming into the country and taking American jobs, inside the US. These include millions of illegal aliens, and many more legal aliens on work visas, added to that. NONE of these jobs should be counted in calculating unemployment rates. But every one of them is counted as employment, while every one of them should be counted as UNEMPLOYMENT.
These jobs are employment, yes. But they are employment for ANOTHER COUNTRY (not the US). A Mexican comes to the US in 2013, and for all of 2014, he is working in a particular job. Same with a guy from India. And these guys should be counted in such a way as to lower the unemployment rate ? Not hardly. This whole unemployment picture as reported by the media is poppy$#@!.
Until the govt gets every foreigner the hell out of here, and out of the jobs they're stealing from American workers, there is NOTHING to be said about unemployment, and until then there IS NO UNEMPLOYMENT RATE. And we should all stop talking about it as if there is.
Table A-7. Employment status of the civilian population by nativity and sex not seasonally adjusted
whatever the exact number if you shipped 10-20 million illegals back home you there would be 10-20 new jobs for Americans. Eliminate the corporate tax and you could add abother 10 million.
