No Way Out for Putin

[Stann]

I've been studying the events in Ukraine and I'm seeing nothing buy lose-lose for Putin and his enablers in the Kremlim.

UKRAINE was supposed a "fait accompli." To be completed and over before the rest of the world or Ukraine could react. Then, like Crimea, something we don't like but about which nothing can be done.

UKR has fought back magnificently so the quick win is out. This is going to become Russia's Afghanistan part II.
The Sanctions are killing the Russian economy.
But
Not surprisingly, other than the oil speculators taking it in the shorts, the global economy is adjusting to life w/o Russia.

This was is now the greatest threat to Putin's power since he got VP under Yeltsin.

That's where we are.

Putin's goals are shattered. Not only can he not win in UKR, his personal future is mostly likely filled with assassination or execution.

Do, How does Russia get out of Ukraine while Putin saves face?

Personally, I don't see it.
The longer the war goes, the greater the opposition in Russia and the greater the likelihood of revolt among Russian leadership.
Stop the war and withdraw and the probability of arrest, imprisonment, and execution increase.
Try to draw NATO into the war by hitting NATO countries will result in Russia's and Putin's destruction.

Ukraine will not accept Russian occupation of the "contested" areas and there is some chance that Ukraine, with sufficient weapons and support actually crosses into Russian territory.

All very dangerous.

And

I don't see a way out.

Once the Russian people find out putin lied to them he will be executed. They don't fool around with courts, they apply instant justice. And in today's world it's impossible to hide the truth forever. Right now most Russians probably still want to believe him but that's evaporating quickly. They're starting to ask the hard questions and demanding answers.

 

[AlexanderPK]

Once the Russian people find out putin lied to them he will be executed. They don't fool around with courts, they apply instant justice. And in today's world it's impossible to hide the truth forever. Right now most Russians probably still want to believe him but that's evaporating quickly. They're starting to ask the hard questions and demanding answers.

There are 2% of people born with some deficiency which later become what the LGB and shit notion implicates. Your asking questions public falls right into that 2% category.

 

[Batcat]

Bat____

Your reading skills need work.

From Agreement;
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At the time of the agreement, then-US President Barack Obama's administration expressed confidence that the JCPOA would prevent Iran from building a nuclear programme in secret. Iran, it said, had committed to "extraordinary and robust monitoring, verification, and inspection".

Inspectors from the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), the global nuclear watchdog, were tasked with continuously monitoring Iran's declared nuclear sites and verifying that no fissile material is moved covertly to a secret location to build a bomb.

Iran also agreed to implement the Additional Protocol to their IAEA Safeguards Agreement, which allows inspectors to access any site anywhere in the country they deem suspicious.

Until 2031, Iran will have 24 days to comply with any IAEA access request. If it refuses, an eight-member Joint Commission - including Iran - will rule on the issue. It can decide on punitive steps, including the reimposition of sanctions. A majority vote by the commission suffices.



So, peddle your lies elsewhere.

I don’t think those inspections are anywhere near as good as you believe.

The AP Interview: UN nuke chief says view of Iran blurred

The head of the United Nations nuclear watchdog has warned that the restrictions faced by his inspectors in Iran threaten to give the world only a “very blurred image” of Tehran’s program as it enriches uranium closer than ever to weapons-grade levels

abcnews.go.com

What will the aftermath of an Iran nuke deal look like? - analysis

Iran nuclear deal talks are dying down in Vienna, and a deal is expected in the coming days or weeks.

www.jpost.com

***snip***

6) IAEA probe and IRGC designation: Iran has demanded an end to the IAEA probes into undeclared nuclear sites and illicit nuclear material that it learned about following the Mossad’s 2018 heist of Tehran’s secret nuclear archives. The US has reportedly rejected this request on a formal basis.


But in real terms, a return to the deal will end the IAEA’s ability to get Iran to answer any questions it prefers to avoid about its illegal military nuclear past. This includes not only pre-2015 activity, but what happened for several months in 2021, when the Islamic Republic cut off much of the IAEA’s inspections.


The first time period in which the IAEA was able to ratchet up pressure on Tehran was around June 2020, when Khamenei had been heavily violating the nuclear deal for more than a year. Once Iran is complying with the deal’s formal provisions, any IAEA threats are likely to be viewed by Khamenei as empty.

 

[Batcat]

Why would congress need to be involved?

So the President can just ship pallets of money to anyone he want to enrich anywhere in the world? Keep in mind that it was not Obama’s money but taxpayers’.

Some will argue the transfer was illegal but keep in mind Obama was basically untouchable as he was our first black President.

President Obama Violated the Law with His Ransom Payment to Iran | National Review

By sending cash to Iran, President Obama likely broke felony law by aiding a state sponsor of terrorism.

www.nationalreview.com

***snip***

The Wall Street Journal has reported that the Justice Department strongly objected to the cash payment to Iran. As we shall see, that should come as no surprise. What is surprising is the Journal’s explanation of Justice’s concerns: Department officials, it is said, fretted that the transaction looked like a ransom payment. I don’t buy that. It is not a federal crime to pay a ransom; just to receive one. Our government’s stated disapproval of paying ransoms is a prudent policy, not a legal requirement. The Justice Department’s principal job is to enforce the laws, not to ensure good policy in foreign relations. It seems far more likely that Justice was worried that the transaction was illegal.

If they were, they had good reasons.

 

[Stann]

There are 2% of people born with some deficiency which later become what the LGB and shit notion implicates. Your asking questions public falls right into that 2% category.

Sorry but you're not making any sense, you haven't made any sense since you came on here. Maybe Russians share defective thought processes.

 

[Colin norris]

Putin will control Ukraine, all sanctions on Russia will be gone by year end, and Russian forces will be stationed in Syria and massing on the Israeli border by next Spring.

You obviously didn’t live through the Cold War.

Spoken like a true communist. Bravo. You did them proud.

 

[AlexanderPK]

Sorry but you're not making any sense, you haven't made any sense since you came on here. Maybe Russians share defective thought processes.

That's what those 2% think. I told you that, didn't I?

 

[Stann]

Putin will control Ukraine, all sanctions on Russia will be gone by year end, and Russian forces will be stationed in Syria and massing on the Israeli border by next Spring.

You obviously didn’t live through the Cold War.

But I thought putin said the Ukrainians were the Nazis, why would he want to attack Israel ? It sounds like he is a NAZI.

 

[Stann]

That's what those 2% think. I told you that, didn't I?

I stopped listening to you a while ago like I said you're not making any sense.

 

[surada]

Unless you mean The Gulf of Mexico, then Iran certainly is a gulf state.

Nope. I meant KSA Kuwait, Bahrain, Qatar and the Emirates.

 

[AlexanderPK]

I stopped listening to you a while ago like I said you're not making any sense.

You're a lost course, I won't cry, don't worry.

 

[Deplorable Yankee]

I've been studying the events in Ukraine and I'm seeing nothing buy lose-lose for Putin and his enablers in the Kremlim.

UKRAINE was supposed a "fait accompli." To be completed and over before the rest of the world or Ukraine could react. Then, like Crimea, something we don't like but about which nothing can be done.

UKR has fought back magnificently so the quick win is out. This is going to become Russia's Afghanistan part II.
The Sanctions are killing the Russian economy.
But
Not surprisingly, other than the oil speculators taking it in the shorts, the global economy is adjusting to life w/o Russia.

This was is now the greatest threat to Putin's power since he got VP under Yeltsin.

That's where we are.

Putin's goals are shattered. Not only can he not win in UKR, his personal future is mostly likely filled with assassination or execution.

Do, How does Russia get out of Ukraine while Putin saves face?

Personally, I don't see it.
The longer the war goes, the greater the opposition in Russia and the greater the likelihood of revolt among Russian leadership.
Stop the war and withdraw and the probability of arrest, imprisonment, and execution increase.
Try to draw NATO into the war by hitting NATO countries will result in Russia's and Putin's destruction.

Ukraine will not accept Russian occupation of the "contested" areas and there is some chance that Ukraine, with sufficient weapons and support actually crosses into Russian territory.

All very dangerous.

And

I don't see a way out.

 

[Stann]

As did Obama. These deranged American leftists are enabling a state sponsor of terror that has threatened death to America and death to Israel.

All you have to do is ask yourself who dismantled the Iran deal. There was a little suspicious activity but we were able to monitor everything in Iran with that agreement. Now we don't know s***. In case you don't know it was trump that dismantled the deal. He said he'd make a better one, he never did.

 

[Lisa558]

No, wrong as usual and also an apologist for the former 1-term president.

Iran nuclear deal: What it all means

No, you as usual are being an apologist for Obama, whose deal with an adversary and state sponsor of terror, did not allow for anytime, anywhere inspections.

He let his pro-Muslim, anti-Israel bias influence him.

Iran Deal Limits Inspectors’ Access to Suspicious Sites | Bipartisan Policy Center

The merits of the final deal's verification measures have to be judged on the basis of the authority it gives inspectors to access potential…

bipartisanpolicy.org

 

[Lisa558]

All you have to do is ask yourself who dismantled the Iran deal. There was a little suspicious activity but we were able to monitor everything in Iran with that agreement. Now we don't know s***. In case you don't know it was trump that dismantled the deal. He said he'd make a better one, he never did.

No we weren’t allowed to monitor everything. It was a bad deal, raced past Congress so they couldn’t vote it down (which they would have), and instead went to the pro-Arab UN for approval.

Iran Deal Limits Inspectors’ Access to Suspicious Sites | Bipartisan Policy Center

The merits of the final deal's verification measures have to be judged on the basis of the authority it gives inspectors to access potential…

bipartisanpolicy.org

 

[Lisa558]

Why would congress need to be involved?

You’re asking why would Congress, who handles appropriations, have to be involved when a president secretly funnels taxpayer money to a terrorist state holding American hostages, and in the middle of the night?

 

[Wild Bill Kelsoe]

Nope. I meant KSA Kuwait, Bahrain, Qatar and the Emirates.

You do know that Iran is on the Persian Gulf. Right?

 

[surada]

You do know that Iran is on the Persian Gulf. Right?

Yes. Been there many times. Iran isn't considered a Gulf State.

 

[surada]

No we weren’t allowed to monitor everything. It was a bad deal, raced past Congress so they couldn’t vote it down (which they would have), and instead went to the pro-Arab UN for approval.

Iran Deal Limits Inspectors’ Access to Suspicious Sites | Bipartisan Policy Center

The merits of the final deal's verification measures have to be judged on the basis of the authority it gives inspectors to access potential…

bipartisanpolicy.org

Your article is untrue.

 

[Lisa558]

Your article is untrue.

It’s true. Sorry if the truth hurts, but your Messiah cut a deal with the terrorists with all sorts of loopholes. That’s why he wanted it approved before Congress could lay eyes on it.

And it looks like Biden is planning the same stunt. Obama is clearly driving the wagon.