Zone1 No Wonder Why I Had Doubts In God's Existence Before

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Trees for example are evidence of a god/creator type existing.

No they aren't.

 

[presonorek]

No they aren't.

I can’t make one.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

I can’t make one.

So what? You also can't make a volcano.

 

[presonorek]

So what? You also can't make a volcano.

But gods can

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

But gods can

So what? Humans or gods making something are not the only two choices to explain the existence of something.

 

[presonorek]

So what? Humans or gods making something are not the only two choices to explain the existence of something.

I have never heard an argument more logical than an all supreme being that is exempt from time and space. It’s the most logical theory in existence. The god of the Bible being that creator is one of the more stupid arguments.

 

[presonorek]

So what? Humans or gods making something are not the only two choices to explain the existence of something.

The most foolish explanation I ever heard is that there is abhuge finite supply of positive energy and an equally huge finite supply of negative energy. Add the two together and nothing exists. There are just various reorganizations of negative and positive energy everywhere around us that give us the illusion that something exists.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

I have never heard an argument more logical than an all supreme being that is exempt from time and space

Logic can be used to argue anything. I can use valid logic to conclude the Moon is made of whip cream.

Second, strictly speaking, the term "more logical" is nonsensical. Either an argument is valid, or it is not. There is no in between.

And selection by physical forces is a much simpler and well evidenced reason for the existence of trees.


You can still point at anything and say "god did it!". Because that's meaningless window dressing that affects nothing whatsoever.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

The most foolish explanation I ever heard is that there is abhuge finite supply of positive energy and an equally huge finite supply of negative energy. Add the two together and nothing exists. There are just various reorganizations of negative and positive energy everywhere around us that give us the illusion that something exists.

It doesn't mean nothing exists. A system can have a net energy of zero. That does not preclude the existence of the system.

 

[presonorek]

Logic can be used to argue anything. I can use valid logic to conclude the Moon is made of whip cream.

Second, strictly speaking, the term "more logical" is nonsensical. Either an argument is valid, or it is not. There is no in between.

And selection by physical forces is a much simpler and well evidenced reason for the existence of trees.


You can still point at anything and say "god did it!". Because that's meaningless window dressing that affects nothing whatsoever.

Well we have to make all kinds of assumptions. We assume our car will start if we do this, this, and this. Sometimes we get it wrong. Sometimes we get it right. I think an omnipotent creator that doesn’t have to answer to our methodologies sounds like the most reasonable. What’s your guess?

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Well we have to make all kinds of assumptions. We assume our car will start if we do this, this, and this. Sometimes we get it wrong. Sometimes we get it right. I think an omnipotent creator that doesn’t have to answer to our methodologies sounds like the most reasonable. What’s your guess?

I think entering magic into the explanation is always the least reasonable option. It explains nothing and is the end of reason.

 

[presonorek]

I think entering magic into the explanation is always the least reasonable option. It explains nothing and is the end of reason.

What’s your guess?

 

[BreezeWood]

--and it comes across better in the original Hebrew.

heard that one before ...

there in lies the fallacies for all three desert religions ... all construed by people who personified the heavens when no such contact ever occurred and enabled the deceptions put in text for their own benefit than the true universal religion meant for all beings.

 

[presonorek]

heard that one before ...

there in lies the fallacies for all three desert religions ... all construed by people who personified the heavens when no such contact ever occurred and enabled the deceptions put in text for their own benefit than the true universal religion meant for all beings.

If a religion functions then it is a good one. Ancient religions no longer function. Modern religions like patriotism, capitalism, and socialism are even starting to lose their function. One day a system will arise again to whip the masses in order. We need a religion that capitalizes on greed, slothfulness, and apathy. The iPhone religion has probably come really close to controlling the masses without requiring any action or thought from the adherents. Smart men will always control dumb men one way or another taking the anthropological development of mankind into consideration. We will get a new religion eventually that works good. You are right. Those old ones are mere traditions now and hold very little functionality to control the idiots.

Your made up religion with no historical references isn’t going to control the masses either. The philosophy you mention sounds like an anti religion honesty that just takes us further away from an orderly society.

 

[BreezeWood]

And selection by physical forces is a much simpler and well evidenced reason for the existence of trees.

physiology has a spiritual content that together bring them to life - physiology can already be refined into formulas.

what will never arise in a test tube is the spiritual content that is its own existence and may surly be responsible for the physiology used for its physical presence.

 

[BreezeWood]

If a religion functions then it is a good one. Ancient religions no longer function. Modern religions like patriotism, capitalism, and socialism are even starting to lose their function. One day a system will arise again to whip the masses in order. We need a religion that capitalizes on greed, slothfulness, and apathy. The iPhone religion has probably come really close to controlling the masses without requiring any action or thought from the adherents. Smart men will always control dumb men one way or another taking the anthropological development of mankind into consideration. We will get a new religion eventually that works good. You are right. Those old ones are mere traditions now and hold very little functionality to control the idiots.

Your made up religion with no historical references isn’t going to control the masses either. The philosophy you mention sounds like an anti religion honesty that just takes us further away from an orderly society.

evolution is the working religion and window to the heavens ... humanity is off the rails and spinning out of control. --- and may take planet earth with it.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

What’s your guess?

For what, specifically?

 

[BreezeWood]

Your made up religion with no historical references isn’t going to control the masses either. The philosophy you mention sounds like an anti religion honesty that just takes us further away from an orderly society.

further away from what ...

taught by jesus, the religion of antiquity - the triumph of good vs evil - heavenly reiterated, the noah cataclysmic event, stamped with a rainbow ... just how that is not consequential for an orderly society is a mystery only you seem to have the answer for.

 

[Blues Man]

You mean besides the universe popping into existence being hardwired to produce intelligence? The creation of existence and the evolution of space and time is the evidence you dismiss.

All you did was list things we as mere humans with our limited intelligence cannot explain and then you said a god did it.

That ain't evidence.

 

[Libby von H]

I was just having this conversation with my fiancee. A long time ago I couldn't make up my mind on what I actually believed since there are so many beliefs out there, but that's the problem. I was thinking with my mind instead of my heart and the mind can deceive you and has caused me to doubt in the past, but my heart has never faltered.

There is a "You" behind your heart and your mind. Be wise AND loving. Yes, ask about God but ask with a good will an open mind and KNOWING about His Mercy.