Now is the Right Time for Ted Cruz

[Liquid Reigns]

Has the OP understood that Cruz has a Canadian birth certificate and the words "natural born" are not arbitrary qualifiers for POTUS? This issue is going to come up.

*sigh* Cruz is a natural born US citizen, his mother is a citizen who gave birth to him in Canada. There have been numerous instances regarding this very issue and the courts have NEVER revoked a candidacy on this basis... EVER. This "issue" is a non-starter.

Numerous issues and the court never revoked a candidacy? Any US Citizen over the age of 35 and has lived in the US for at least 14 years can run , the issue is the eligibility for the office. Cruz's mother never obtained a US Birth Certificate for a baby born abroad via the US Consul in Canada. His US citizenship is via an Immigration and Naturalization Act passed by Congress, he is in essence a naturalized citizen, without the INA having been passed he never would have obtained US Citizenship. He entered the US as a child via his mothers passport. Once he lived in the US for 8 years consecutively (via the INA in place at the time) he obtained his US citizenship and received a US Passport at age 16 for a school trip to Europe.

 

[Liquid Reigns]

Has the OP understood that Cruz has a Canadian birth certificate and the words "natural born" are not arbitrary qualifiers for POTUS? This issue is going to come up.

It has. Multiple times. All the time to be dismissed. Why?

Because Ted Cruz was an American citizen when he was born.

Via an INA from Congress, which constitutes a Naturalized Citizen, without the INA he would never have been born a derived US Citizen. Are you the foreign-born child of a parent who becomes a U.S. citizen?
'Derived’ citizenship rules for kids

 

[Mike473]

If the GOP pulls a screw job at the convention, they aren't going through all the trouble and the blow back to nominate Cruz or Kasich. The price of doing it is too high for that outcome. They will go all in with Jeb or Mitt.

 

[Agit8r]

The GOP primaries are basically Trump vs. whoever the establishment would pick in a brokered convention. So it's Trump vs. either Romney or Ryan.

My money is on Rubio. They like a sock puppet, as with Bush43 and Reagan.

 

[TheOldSchool]

The GOP primaries are basically Trump vs. whoever the establishment would pick in a brokered convention. So it's Trump vs. either Romney or Ryan.

My money is on Rubio. They like a sock puppet, as with Bush43 and Reagan.

Possibly. I think they'd be a lot more comfortable with Romney though.

 

[Boss]

Cruz has no chance at breaking the threshold. His best hope is a brokered convention, but if that happens neither Trump nor Cruz will be the nominee.

No, if that happens (and it will) Cruz will be the nominee.

Cruz/Kasich 2016

Aw that's cute. If the establishment get's it's dream, and is handed a brokered convention... if they don't pick Trump, it'll prove they don't give a damn about who got the most votes! And if they don't care about that, why would they pick a Cuban-Canadian loser who they hate almost as much as Trump?

No. Kasich has the best chance of the 3, but the establishment will probably come up with their own candidate.

Well, the "establishment" doesn't get to abandon the rules and pick their own nominee. The delegates are not committed to the establishment. It doesn't matter who comes into the convention with the most delegates, that isn't the winner... it's the first who gets a majority of 1,237. Neither will get it on the first ballot, Cruz will cut a deal with Kasich for the VP spot and land his delegates, and it's Cruz on the second ballot.

All this Cuban-Canadian loser crap is you blustering rhetoric out your pie hole... means nothing.

 

[Boss]

Has the OP understood that Cruz has a Canadian birth certificate and the words "natural born" are not arbitrary qualifiers for POTUS? This issue is going to come up.

*sigh* Cruz is a natural born US citizen, his mother is a citizen who gave birth to him in Canada. There have been numerous instances regarding this very issue and the courts have NEVER revoked a candidacy on this basis... EVER. This "issue" is a non-starter.

Numerous issues and the court never revoked a candidacy? Any US Citizen over the age of 35 and has lived in the US for at least 14 years can run , the issue is the eligibility for the office. Cruz's mother never obtained a US Birth Certificate for a baby born abroad via the US Consul in Canada. His US citizenship is via an Immigration and Naturalization Act passed by Congress, he is in essence a naturalized citizen, without the INA having been passed he never would have obtained US Citizenship. He entered the US as a child via his mothers passport. Once he lived in the US for 8 years consecutively (via the INA in place at the time) he obtained his US citizenship and received a US Passport at age 16 for a school trip to Europe.

You can run your mouth about this from now until he gets elected... Cruz CAN run for president and he IS running for president. I stand by my statement, the courts have never revoked a candidacy in the history of presidential elections. As of today, there is now case law precedent in Pennsylvania for Ted Cruz eligibility. This now falls under the "political question doctrine" and the SCOTUS will reject any case brought forth on Cruz.

So.... Hate to burst your bubble... ain't gonna happen. Cruz is fully eligible and qualified.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

The nation needs someone like Ted Cruz. We need a real conservative before our nation's sojourn into lawlessness and PC progressive fascism replaces rule of law. For whatever reason there are those on both the left and right who readily accept as fact the proposition that Cruz does not have a chance in hell of winning the general election. This may have been true in the past 2-3 election cycles. But it is not true now.

Ted's biggest hurdle is getting past Trump. Let's assume that he does get past Trump and gets the party nomination. Bernie is not going to get the Dem nomination. However, the more delegates his gets (and he is making significant gains now) the longer he drags this out, meaning Hillary is not going to come out of the primary season unscathed. First, it makes Mrs. Inevitable look silly to have to work to beat a crazy, old, elderly socialist who looks like the scientist from "Rick and Morty". The old coot ought to be in a retirement home waiting to die. Let's face it, Hillary looks like an asshole right now.

More importantly, Bernie has conned a lot of stupid fuckers. MANY of these stupid fuckers he has conned are young. Youngsters are bad about not voting, unlike older Americans. So once Bernie is gone, A LOT of Bernie's supporters are leaving the electorate. They are NOT all, or even mostly, going to stay involved for the sake of supporting Clinton. Likewise with Trump, if he fails to get the nomination then many of his supports are going to bail on the process. However, Trump supporters are older and, therefore, more prone to vote, AND they pretty much unanimously hate Hillary Clinton. They may dislike "Lyin' Ted" now, but come November he won't look so bad when the alternative is Hillary. Where will Bernie's supporters be in November? They will be stoned, in jail, and out of their voting districts in some fucked up, leftist university.

Add to this Hillary's many, many troubles, and you have got a great recipe for a historically low voter turn out among Dems in November. Hillary is establishment, she is a Wall Street whore, she is a confirmed pathological liar, she has zero principals as evidenced by how many times she alters her positions, she sells influence to foreign governments and corporations (uranium anyone?) then launders it through that bogus "Clinton Foundation" bullshit non-profit. Plus... PLUS, she may be facing criminal indictment. Currently there is a cadre of FBI agents trying to bring her down. At the very least she has the investigation hanging over her head. Of course, it is noted that if she survives this it will be used by her as a big victory - she fought the law and she won! The best case scenario for our republic is for this to remain hanging out there until after the election.

The foregoing all points to low voter turnout for Dems. But will Republicans also have low turnout? It will probably be lower than if a Trump is the nominee. Cruz has a personality that can rub people the wrong way. But who cares? I am voting for a man to lead and reinvigorate our constitutional republic. I am not so shallow as to refuse to support him just because I may not personally like him. Honestly, I love Trump. I imagine that back in the day he would get coked up out of his mind and fuck tons of women! Of course, maybe Ted did too. Who knows. The point is that likeability is not important to me when it comes to selecting a President. It should not be important to you either. I am not electing a spouse or a buddy.

Hillary has a ton of electoral votes built in because of the number of morons in places like New York and California who will vote for even an ISIS fighter if he has a "D" beside his name. But she is just such a despicable piece of shit that the young mush brains are probably going to sit this one out. That coupled with the justified abject hatred of anything Clinton on the right and among Trumpies means that this is the year that someone like Cruz could be elected. Do I believe it really will happen? No, not necessarily; not yet. But it COULD happen.

It’s never time for the bigotry, the politics of fear and division, and the contempt for the Constitution and the rule of law Cruz advocates and promotes.

 

[my2¢]

"Conservative" just isn't carry the weight it has in previous years. It pretty much has worn itself out and has become meaningless and represents empty promises.

 

[ZackB]

The nation needs someone like Ted Cruz. We need a real conservative before our nation's sojourn into lawlessness and PC progressive fascism replaces rule of law. For whatever reason there are those on both the left and right who readily accept as fact the proposition that Cruz does not have a chance in hell of winning the general election. This may have been true in the past 2-3 election cycles. But it is not true now.

Ted's biggest hurdle is getting past Trump. Let's assume that he does get past Trump and gets the party nomination. Bernie is not going to get the Dem nomination. However, the more delegates his gets (and he is making significant gains now) the longer he drags this out, meaning Hillary is not going to come out of the primary season unscathed. First, it makes Mrs. Inevitable look silly to have to work to beat a crazy, old, elderly socialist who looks like the scientist from "Rick and Morty". The old coot ought to be in a retirement home waiting to die. Let's face it, Hillary looks like an asshole right now.

More importantly, Bernie has conned a lot of stupid fuckers. MANY of these stupid fuckers he has conned are young. Youngsters are bad about not voting, unlike older Americans. So once Bernie is gone, A LOT of Bernie's supporters are leaving the electorate. They are NOT all, or even mostly, going to stay involved for the sake of supporting Clinton. Likewise with Trump, if he fails to get the nomination then many of his supports are going to bail on the process. However, Trump supporters are older and, therefore, more prone to vote, AND they pretty much unanimously hate Hillary Clinton. They may dislike "Lyin' Ted" now, but come November he won't look so bad when the alternative is Hillary. Where will Bernie's supporters be in November? They will be stoned, in jail, and out of their voting districts in some fucked up, leftist university.

Add to this Hillary's many, many troubles, and you have got a great recipe for a historically low voter turn out among Dems in November. Hillary is establishment, she is a Wall Street whore, she is a confirmed pathological liar, she has zero principals as evidenced by how many times she alters her positions, she sells influence to foreign governments and corporations (uranium anyone?) then launders it through that bogus "Clinton Foundation" bullshit non-profit. Plus... PLUS, she may be facing criminal indictment. Currently there is a cadre of FBI agents trying to bring her down. At the very least she has the investigation hanging over her head. Of course, it is noted that if she survives this it will be used by her as a big victory - she fought the law and she won! The best case scenario for our republic is for this to remain hanging out there until after the election.

The foregoing all points to low voter turnout for Dems. But will Republicans also have low turnout? It will probably be lower than if a Trump is the nominee. Cruz has a personality that can rub people the wrong way. But who cares? I am voting for a man to lead and reinvigorate our constitutional republic. I am not so shallow as to refuse to support him just because I may not personally like him. Honestly, I love Trump. I imagine that back in the day he would get coked up out of his mind and fuck tons of women! Of course, maybe Ted did too. Who knows. The point is that likeability is not important to me when it comes to selecting a President. It should not be important to you either. I am not electing a spouse or a buddy.

Hillary has a ton of electoral votes built in because of the number of morons in places like New York and California who will vote for even an ISIS fighter if he has a "D" beside his name. But she is just such a despicable piece of shit that the young mush brains are probably going to sit this one out. That coupled with the justified abject hatred of anything Clinton on the right and among Trumpies means that this is the year that someone like Cruz could be elected. Do I believe it really will happen? No, not necessarily; not yet. But it COULD happen.

It’s never time for the bigotry, the politics of fear and division, and the contempt for the Constitution and the rule of law Cruz advocates and promotes.

No, no. You are confused again, Claystone. You are describing the Democrat party.

 

[Liquid Reigns]

Has the OP understood that Cruz has a Canadian birth certificate and the words "natural born" are not arbitrary qualifiers for POTUS? This issue is going to come up.

*sigh* Cruz is a natural born US citizen, his mother is a citizen who gave birth to him in Canada. There have been numerous instances regarding this very issue and the courts have NEVER revoked a candidacy on this basis... EVER. This "issue" is a non-starter.

Numerous issues and the court never revoked a candidacy? Any US Citizen over the age of 35 and has lived in the US for at least 14 years can run , the issue is the eligibility for the office. Cruz's mother never obtained a US Birth Certificate for a baby born abroad via the US Consul in Canada. His US citizenship is via an Immigration and Naturalization Act passed by Congress, he is in essence a naturalized citizen, without the INA having been passed he never would have obtained US Citizenship. He entered the US as a child via his mothers passport. Once he lived in the US for 8 years consecutively (via the INA in place at the time) he obtained his US citizenship and received a US Passport at age 16 for a school trip to Europe.

You can run your mouth about this from now until he gets elected... Cruz CAN run for president and he IS running for president. I stand by my statement, the courts have never revoked a candidacy in the history of presidential elections. As of today, there is now case law precedent in Pennsylvania for Ted Cruz eligibility. This now falls under the "political question doctrine" and the SCOTUS will reject any case brought forth on Cruz.

So.... Hate to burst your bubble... ain't gonna happen. Cruz is fully eligible and qualified.

Did I say he couldn't run for President? I stated he isn't eligible for office, any US Citizen can run provided they meet the age requirements and the 14 years in the US. There is no case law in Pennsylvania for Cruz to be eligible for office. SMFH

The Pennsylvania case (via a State Court, not a Federal Court) merely says he can run on the ballot in Pennsylvania, it doesn't state he is eligible to hold office.

A Pennsylvania judge has rejected an effort to kick Republican presidential candidate Ted Cruz off the state primary ballot, ruling that the Texas senator’s birth outside of the United States doesn’t disqualify him from the ballot under the U.S. Constitution.

Pennsylvania Judge Rules That Ted Cruz is Eligible to Run for President

I've noticed you have a hard time comprehending actual English words.

 

[Boss]

Has the OP understood that Cruz has a Canadian birth certificate and the words "natural born" are not arbitrary qualifiers for POTUS? This issue is going to come up.

*sigh* Cruz is a natural born US citizen, his mother is a citizen who gave birth to him in Canada. There have been numerous instances regarding this very issue and the courts have NEVER revoked a candidacy on this basis... EVER. This "issue" is a non-starter.

Numerous issues and the court never revoked a candidacy? Any US Citizen over the age of 35 and has lived in the US for at least 14 years can run , the issue is the eligibility for the office. Cruz's mother never obtained a US Birth Certificate for a baby born abroad via the US Consul in Canada. His US citizenship is via an Immigration and Naturalization Act passed by Congress, he is in essence a naturalized citizen, without the INA having been passed he never would have obtained US Citizenship. He entered the US as a child via his mothers passport. Once he lived in the US for 8 years consecutively (via the INA in place at the time) he obtained his US citizenship and received a US Passport at age 16 for a school trip to Europe.

You can run your mouth about this from now until he gets elected... Cruz CAN run for president and he IS running for president. I stand by my statement, the courts have never revoked a candidacy in the history of presidential elections. As of today, there is now case law precedent in Pennsylvania for Ted Cruz eligibility. This now falls under the "political question doctrine" and the SCOTUS will reject any case brought forth on Cruz.

So.... Hate to burst your bubble... ain't gonna happen. Cruz is fully eligible and qualified.

Did I say he couldn't run for President? I stated he isn't eligible for office, any US Citizen can run provided they meet the age requirements and the 14 years in the US. There is no case law in Pennsylvania for Cruz to be eligible for office. SMFH

The Pennsylvania case (via a State Court, not a Federal Court) merely says he can run on the ballot in Pennsylvania, it doesn't state he is eligible to hold office.

A Pennsylvania judge has rejected an effort to kick Republican presidential candidate Ted Cruz off the state primary ballot, ruling that the Texas senator’s birth outside of the United States doesn’t disqualify him from the ballot under the U.S. Constitution.

Pennsylvania Judge Rules That Ted Cruz is Eligible to Run for President

I've noticed you have a hard time comprehending actual English words.

Eligible to run and eligible to hold the office you're running for are the same thing. To be eligible to run but not eligible to hold the office you're running for would be an automatic disenfranchisement of voters. That cannot stand.

I don't have a hard time comprehending anything, this is a state ballot issue and is rightly brought to a state court. I never said this completely settles the issue forever, I said it has now become a case law precedent. It can certainly be appealed and it can be heard by a lower federal court or even the Supreme Court. The state court ruling will not be overturned.

This same exact issue has been raised numerous times over the years and.... again... has NEVER resulted in the court revoking a candidacy. That isn't likely to change suddenly with Ted Cruz. Sorry! It's just not going to happen... now you can fantasize... you can foam at the mouth... it doesn't matter with regard to this.

 

[FA_Q2]

Do I believe it really will happen? No, not necessarily; not yet. But it COULD happen.

I believe it very well CAN happen. It's not that difficult to get there. Cruz is well within striking distance of Trump in the delegate count and we still have some big states left to decide. A Cruz win in California and Wisconsin would put him essentially tied with Trump and there are a ton of uncommitted delegates out there who are certainly not going to be inclined to vote for Trump. Don't let the MSM and political talking heads sway you... it's VERY possible for Cruz to win the nomination. And... with a strong VP pick like Kasich or even Fiorina, he has an excellent chance of defeating Hillary Clinton in the general.

In spite of all the nastiness being hurled at Cruz, he continues to gain momentum in the final stretch. You are literally seeing what happens when the wheels start coming off the Trump Bus... the attacks become more personal and ugly... That's a sign that Cruz is winning.

Cruz is most certainly NOT within striking distance of Trump in delegate count! I believe he has to win something like 90%+ of the vote to beat Trump.

Well, no... he really doesn't.

Cruz currently trails Trump by 273 delegates. Just California and Wisconsin represent 237 delegates and are winner-take-all states. There are 19 states remaining and 10 are winner-take-all. Rubio and Kasich control over 300 delegates as well. Most of those will likely end up in the Cruz column.

Trump needs 501. Cruz needs 774. Cruz has no chance at breaking the threshold. His best hope is a brokered convention, but if that happens neither Trump nor Cruz will be the nominee.

False. That is your assumption but I don't see anything it is based on. If Cruz makes it past Trump but does not get to the threshold then he will easily be the nominee. The electors are not going to vote some random person out of nowhere or reject the majority vote for a candidate that cannot win more than one single state.

 

[TheOldSchool]

Do I believe it really will happen? No, not necessarily; not yet. But it COULD happen.

I believe it very well CAN happen. It's not that difficult to get there. Cruz is well within striking distance of Trump in the delegate count and we still have some big states left to decide. A Cruz win in California and Wisconsin would put him essentially tied with Trump and there are a ton of uncommitted delegates out there who are certainly not going to be inclined to vote for Trump. Don't let the MSM and political talking heads sway you... it's VERY possible for Cruz to win the nomination. And... with a strong VP pick like Kasich or even Fiorina, he has an excellent chance of defeating Hillary Clinton in the general.

In spite of all the nastiness being hurled at Cruz, he continues to gain momentum in the final stretch. You are literally seeing what happens when the wheels start coming off the Trump Bus... the attacks become more personal and ugly... That's a sign that Cruz is winning.

Cruz is most certainly NOT within striking distance of Trump in delegate count! I believe he has to win something like 90%+ of the vote to beat Trump.

Well, no... he really doesn't.

Cruz currently trails Trump by 273 delegates. Just California and Wisconsin represent 237 delegates and are winner-take-all states. There are 19 states remaining and 10 are winner-take-all. Rubio and Kasich control over 300 delegates as well. Most of those will likely end up in the Cruz column.

Trump needs 501. Cruz needs 774. Cruz has no chance at breaking the threshold. His best hope is a brokered convention, but if that happens neither Trump nor Cruz will be the nominee.

False. That is your assumption but I don't see anything it is based on. If Cruz makes it past Trump but does not get to the threshold then he will easily be the nominee. The electors are not going to vote some random person out of nowhere or reject the majority vote for a candidate that cannot win more than one single state.

Kasich has a better chance in a brokered convention than Cruz.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Trump, Cruz, Clinton, Sanders, none of them belong in the Oval Office. Kasich is the only one left who would actually get things accomplished and he has slightly over a zero chance of getting the nomination at this point.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Kasich has a better chance in a brokered convention than Cruz.

He would be a great nominee. I could maybe vote for him.

Otherwise, I'm sticking with Gary Johnson.

 

[Tom Horn]

Thankfully the convention is in Cleveland so when the Occupy Wall St and Feel the Bern crowd trash the area around the show, nobody will notice any difference....Cleveland...the mistake by the lake.

 

[ZackB]

Trump, Cruz, Clinton, Sanders, none of them belong in the Oval Office. Kasich is the only one left who would actually get things accomplished and he has slightly over a zero chance of getting the nomination at this point.

Yeah, Kasich will get things accomplished - in the Beltway Establishment manner.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Trump, Cruz, Clinton, Sanders, none of them belong in the Oval Office. Kasich is the only one left who would actually get things accomplished and he has slightly over a zero chance of getting the nomination at this point.

Yeah, Kasich will get things accomplished - in the Beltway Establishment manner.

Kasich has demonstrated repeatedly he is anything but establishment. He was one of the primary architects of the closest thing we've had to a balanced budget when he was in the House back in the 90s. The problem with you ideologues is that you think anybody who is willing to work with the other side in order to actually get something done is establishment. It's either your way or the highway with you people and that's why you keep losing.

 

[Boss]

Kasich has a better chance in a brokered convention than Cruz.

Based on what line of reasoning?

The delegates bound to Cruz are simply not going to abandon Cruz because he failed to win on the first ballot. Neither will the Trump delegates. The Kasich delegates will also probably hang in there but the Rubio, Carson, Bush, Christie, Paul, Fiorina, etc., delegates will likely go to Trump or Cruz. A few might go with Kasich but it's not going to be enough for Kasich to catch Cruz. Meanwhile, I believe the Cruz camp will offer Kasich the VP spot, thereby securing his delegates. That might take until the third ballot but will be enough to secure the nomination.

Now... it is POSSIBLE the party could insert some outsider but it that person won the nomination it would be unprecedented. Chances are, that plane would never get off the ground. It's going to be between Trump and Cruz and I think the anti-Trump sentiment will throw it to Cruz in the end. The establishment will be forced to go with Cruz with Kasich as VP... that's their only true angle here.