Now we got white women cops killing unarmed negros.....ww?????

[PredFan]

And how exactly and where in the video did the victim roll up the window?

No, it's definitely open, he even sticks his arms through it. If it were closed, you'd be able to see thine on it from this angle, like you can the front of the car. What you're pointing at in the other picture is the clearly tran-ish grey seats INSIDE the vehicle. What you're calling blood on the window is the crease in the seat.

LIAR!

How can a "crease in the seat" drip down the outside of the door and form a puddle on the ground???

Like I have said before, when the Right sink their teeth into a lie they never stop lying!

Look at the picture. Good lord, you can see the window is down.

So drops of blood disappear entirely when the angle is changed? Good grief.

You can't say that, I could be glare or just the angle. Blood can be nearly transparent if given enough time to dribble down the window. Having said that, you cannot rule out that the window is in fact open and that what looks like blood is a trick of the light. I'm not making any conclusions here I'm just saying no one can at this point.

If you look at the picture, the line he's referring to is black, and there's no tint. For that window to be closed, this guy would have to have the cleanest windows in the known universe, and for blood to reach that high on the window, he'd have to have jumped up against it when he was shot, and not smeared said blood. The window is clearly open.

Not really my friend. Look at the guy on the ground. The wound is at the exact hight as the window.

Plus if you watch the chopper video to the end, you will see that the tinted driver's window is up.

 

[PredFan]

Video Shows Terence Crutcher Lower His Hands Before Being Shot By Tulsa Police
Uh no, shots were fired after he reaches into his vehicle, if you look at the videos from another angle. On the other hand, you probably missed it because you're busy looking the other way.

Looks to me like he lowered his right arms after I hear the gunshot.

You cannot hear the gunshot in the chopper video and that is the only video that is remotely relevant because in the ground level video our view is obstructed.

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you're interested in looking at this honestly....

Both videos need to be viewed to determine where his arms were when he was shot. In the first video from the dashboard cam at 0:17, two things to pay attention to ... 1) the gunshot. Even muffled, it's clearly audible. 2) Then Officer Shelby, with one other officer to her left, take a couple of steps backwards.

Now turn to the second video from the helicopter. At about the 22 second mark, you can see when the two officers take those steps backwards. That means the shot was fired in the copter video between the 21 and 22 second mark. Looks to me like he dropped his right arm when he was shot.

I am, it seems, the only one here interested in the truth whatever that truth may be. It is still inconclusive but it actually looks to me like when he dropped his arm, the cop fired. Perhaps she though he was about to draw a weapon. I, in all honesty, cannot say which came first.

Doesn't look that way to me. In the dashboard cam, when you hear the gunshot and the officers step back, you can see his arm drop.

I cannot in all honesty say that it is clear that the cop steps back at all. I can see her do that in the chopper video but it looks like they happen simultaneously, which means nothing. The ground level video is too inconclusive and anything anyone says they see in that is only seeing what they want to.

 

[Pumpkin Row]

Look at the picture. Good lord, you can see the window is down.

So drops of blood disappear entirely when the angle is changed? Good grief.

You can't say that, I could be glare or just the angle. Blood can be nearly transparent if given enough time to dribble down the window. Having said that, you cannot rule out that the window is in fact open and that what looks like blood is a trick of the light. I'm not making any conclusions here I'm just saying no one can at this point.

If you look at the picture, the line he's referring to is black, and there's no tint. For that window to be closed, this guy would have to have the cleanest windows in the known universe, and for blood to reach that high on the window, he'd have to have jumped up against it when he was shot, and not smeared said blood. The window is clearly open.

Loon ... he had blood up to his upper arm, which was tall enough to reach up high on his window.

Except his hands weren't on the top of his window or on top of the car, and if they were, they wouldn't have blood on them, because he was shot in the chest. FURTHERMORE, in the images I linked, the sun shines brightly enough on his arms, with his palms out, they if there were blood, there would be a different shine pattern on his arms indicating blood on them, but that's absent. There's no blood on his forearms. Even further, there's no blood on the metal above the window opening, and if the blood pooled thickly enough to give us the black line in the first picture, it wouldn't suddenly be thin enough to disappear in the second image, especially given how close those two scenes are in the video.

Loon ... I said nothing about his hands or his palms. I talked about his upper arm. Around the shoulder or just below it. That's where he was covered in blood and tall enough to get on the window of the car.

So did I, I pointed out that because you can see his palms as he's laying on the ground, you know that his arms would be facing the right direction for the blood to be visible if there was any. You clearly didn't read my full post.

 

[Pumpkin Row]

No, it's definitely open, he even sticks his arms through it. If it were closed, you'd be able to see thine on it from this angle, like you can the front of the car. What you're pointing at in the other picture is the clearly tran-ish grey seats INSIDE the vehicle. What you're calling blood on the window is the crease in the seat.

LIAR!

How can a "crease in the seat" drip down the outside of the door and form a puddle on the ground???

Like I have said before, when the Right sink their teeth into a lie they never stop lying!

Look at the picture. Good lord, you can see the window is down.

So drops of blood disappear entirely when the angle is changed? Good grief.

You can't say that, I could be glare or just the angle. Blood can be nearly transparent if given enough time to dribble down the window. Having said that, you cannot rule out that the window is in fact open and that what looks like blood is a trick of the light. I'm not making any conclusions here I'm just saying no one can at this point.

If you look at the picture, the line he's referring to is black, and there's no tint. For that window to be closed, this guy would have to have the cleanest windows in the known universe, and for blood to reach that high on the window, he'd have to have jumped up against it when he was shot, and not smeared said blood. The window is clearly open.

Not really my friend. Look at the guy on the ground. The wound is at the exact hight as the window.

Plus if you watch the chopper video to the end, you will see that the tinted driver's window is up.

No, it's a two-part window, one by the back seat and one by the driver's seat. The driver's side door window is clearly open, and you can see that from the images I provided..

 

[koshergrl]

Incidentally, the constitution doesn't "grant" us rights.

It protects the rights we are born with. It does that by restricting the AUTHORITY of our government, including and ESPECIALLY cops.

"
Amendment IV
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

It isn't reasonable to seize a person for LOOKING like a criminal.
It isn't reasonable to seize a person for walking away from a confrontation initiated by a cop.

Cops need to stay in their cop houses. They don't make anybody safer by strutting around, gunning down the people they harass, assault, or just don't like the looks of.

The 4th Amendment doesn't apply to local police and certainly doesn't restrain them from protecting themselves. You're like many of your fellow Leftists thinking the Constitution governs every tiny aspect of society. It was written as a restraint on federal power. Nothing more.

The constitution protects the rights of all American people, lol.

And they were protecting themselves from..what? Exactly? Walking away?

Please let me know how many people have been "saved" via cops pulling over people for no good reason. Seems to me that a lot more people get killed by idiot cops harassing people then people are saved by the same harassment.

Timothy McVeigh got caught because he was pulled over when the tag on his license plate wasn't right. How many people would that have saved if it had happened before he got to the Federal Building in OKC? What you call "harassment" is simply the police doing what they're paid to do...enforce the law.

Imagine what might have been accomplished if the pigs had stayed in their offices and done some real police work on that case instead of strutting around harassing people on the roads. Maybe the bombing would never have happened in the first place!

No, what I call "harassment" is "harassment".

I find you to be incredibly naive, Kosher...
Pull police off the streets and see what happens. Pigs? Really? I come from a long line of firefighters. I have respect for first responders because they run towards danger when everyone else is running away. The police are not your enemy.

Cops are no longer of the breed of "first responders" that you are referencing. The police who harass and shoot people for failing to respond to commands cops bark when they are hazing, harassing, and assaulting people for no good reason are not the first responders of old.

And let's look at that phrase..FIRST RESPONDERS. That implies a CALL HAS BEEN MADE before the government shows up. Gunning down mentally ill or even drugged people when they fail to hop quickly enough is not "responding" to anything except the cowardice and stupidity of pigs who shouldn't be out there intimidating people going about their business.

 

[koshergrl]

And no, I'm not naïve. I happen to have a lot more faith in my own ability to defend myself and get myself out of any crisis I might get into than I do in the ability of cops just happening onto a situation in THE NICK OF TIME. Thanks, I'll defend myself from highway bandits, the pigs can stay home. I've never seen any situation that they haven't made 100 percent worse by showing up.

 

[PredFan]

LIAR!

How can a "crease in the seat" drip down the outside of the door and form a puddle on the ground???

Like I have said before, when the Right sink their teeth into a lie they never stop lying!

Look at the picture. Good lord, you can see the window is down.

So drops of blood disappear entirely when the angle is changed? Good grief.

You can't say that, I could be glare or just the angle. Blood can be nearly transparent if given enough time to dribble down the window. Having said that, you cannot rule out that the window is in fact open and that what looks like blood is a trick of the light. I'm not making any conclusions here I'm just saying no one can at this point.

If you look at the picture, the line he's referring to is black, and there's no tint. For that window to be closed, this guy would have to have the cleanest windows in the known universe, and for blood to reach that high on the window, he'd have to have jumped up against it when he was shot, and not smeared said blood. The window is clearly open.

Not really my friend. Look at the guy on the ground. The wound is at the exact hight as the window.

Plus if you watch the chopper video to the end, you will see that the tinted driver's window is up.

No, it's a two-part window, one by the back seat and one by the driver's seat. The driver's side door window is clearly open, and you can see that from the images I provided..

Sorry man, this looks like a closed tinted window. You can see the reflection of the trees in it. At least it appears that way. You just cannot state for sure that the window was down or up.

 

[Pumpkin Row]

Look at the picture. Good lord, you can see the window is down.

So drops of blood disappear entirely when the angle is changed? Good grief.

You can't say that, I could be glare or just the angle. Blood can be nearly transparent if given enough time to dribble down the window. Having said that, you cannot rule out that the window is in fact open and that what looks like blood is a trick of the light. I'm not making any conclusions here I'm just saying no one can at this point.

If you look at the picture, the line he's referring to is black, and there's no tint. For that window to be closed, this guy would have to have the cleanest windows in the known universe, and for blood to reach that high on the window, he'd have to have jumped up against it when he was shot, and not smeared said blood. The window is clearly open.

Not really my friend. Look at the guy on the ground. The wound is at the exact hight as the window.

Plus if you watch the chopper video to the end, you will see that the tinted driver's window is up.

No, it's a two-part window, one by the back seat and one by the driver's seat. The driver's side door window is clearly open, and you can see that from the images I provided..

Sorry man, this looks like a closed tinted window. You can see the reflection of the trees in it. At least it appears that way. You just cannot state for sure that the window was down or up.

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There are no tree reflections in it, there are clearly no tree reflections in it because there's no window there, because you can clearly see it's down. You're trying way too hard to justify a neutral position, and it's really off-putting. I'll remember not to count on you.

 

[PredFan]

My fellow conservatives:

We have all seen the left jump to conclusions on these police involved shootings of blacks. We have seen them end up looking like fools almost every single time. DO NOT do the same thing here.

You have to agree that wrongful deaths can and do happen, you have to because any cop will tell you that they can and do. I can easily see this happening exactly the way the left is saying it did (even though they are also guessing at this point). There is no clear evidence to say it didn't happen like that. At least none that we can get for two videos and no audio.

It distresses me to say that if I was a betting man, and in fact I am, I'd place my money on this being a wrongful death. I don't know for sure but there is more evidence right now that it is. Until something new comes along and changes that.

 

[SwimExpert]

Maybe you should watch the dashcam video. What you call "reaching" was his arm falling because he was shot.

Nice try "swimmer". Shot was fired long after his right arm lowered, reaching, fumbling. Who knows what under that T-shirt or reaching in the car? I'm not going to keep watching it over and over. When they say...stop...you stop.

LIAR!!!!!

The video clearly shows that you hear the shot first and then see his arm come down.

The other arm reaching for......

You tell me what you SAW the other hand doing!

The same threatening thing both officers saw that caused both to fire at the same time.

In other words, you got nothing. But it's a darkie that died, so no big deal, right?

 

[PredFan]

You can't say that, I could be glare or just the angle. Blood can be nearly transparent if given enough time to dribble down the window. Having said that, you cannot rule out that the window is in fact open and that what looks like blood is a trick of the light. I'm not making any conclusions here I'm just saying no one can at this point.

If you look at the picture, the line he's referring to is black, and there's no tint. For that window to be closed, this guy would have to have the cleanest windows in the known universe, and for blood to reach that high on the window, he'd have to have jumped up against it when he was shot, and not smeared said blood. The window is clearly open.

Not really my friend. Look at the guy on the ground. The wound is at the exact hight as the window.

Plus if you watch the chopper video to the end, you will see that the tinted driver's window is up.

No, it's a two-part window, one by the back seat and one by the driver's seat. The driver's side door window is clearly open, and you can see that from the images I provided..

Sorry man, this looks like a closed tinted window. You can see the reflection of the trees in it. At least it appears that way. You just cannot state for sure that the window was down or up.

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There are no tree reflections in it, there are clearly no tree reflections in it because there's no window there, because you can clearly see it's down. You're trying way too hard to justify a neutral position, and it's really off-putting. I'll remember not to count on you.

Well then we have nothing more to say.

 

[SwimExpert]

And how do you surmise that?

it looked like one cop was yelling at him as he walked away. Then the other cops came over. Unless it pissed the other cops off he was doing what he was told.. which I seriously doubt.

Watch the dashcam video. One cop had the gun trained on him, while the others were just arriving. No yelling.

I didn't hear any sound..
"others just arriving" good point.

Then you are deaf as you can clearly hear the gunshot!

What a liar, you can't hear any audio, not even the shot.

That's what happens when you put your computer speakers on mute.

 

[edthecynic]

Unless the cops told him to put his hands on the car so they could frisk him. No one is yelling to him to stop as he walks to the car and assumes the position to be frisked, and is shot in the frisking position.

Shitforbrains thinks the cops had microphones.

They do, and they clearly picked up the sound of the shot, but no sound of anyone yelling at him to stop. He is clearly walking to the car and assuming the frisking position as the female cop silently follows him.

In that video you cannot hear anything but the the car radio and the cops radio. You cannot hear if the officers nearest to the guy said anything. Naturally, the car cam's mic wouldn't pick up what the cops were telling him. Even the shot itself was muted to the point where it isn't easy to tell it was the shot. That video is NOT proof that the cops were not yelling at him. It is also inconclusive that the guy was assuming the frisking position as you claim. Our view of him was mostly obstructed. What little we did see could as likely been him trying to get into his car.

Nonsense .... the officer fired exactly one round and one shot is clearly discernible.

Not the point.

The point is that the shot is muted because the mic for the dash cam is inside the police car. If the shot is that muted, then you would not hear the voices of the cops even if they were yelling at him.

The shot sounds "muted" to you only because you have a hearing problem. The same mic that picked up the gunshot, picked up her saying "shot fired."

 

[PredFan]

it looked like one cop was yelling at him as he walked away. Then the other cops came over. Unless it pissed the other cops off he was doing what he was told.. which I seriously doubt.

Watch the dashcam video. One cop had the gun trained on him, while the others were just arriving. No yelling.

I didn't hear any sound..
"others just arriving" good point.

Then you are deaf as you can clearly hear the gunshot!

What a liar, you can't hear any audio, not even the shot.

That's what happens when you put your computer speakers on mute.

I'll bet you are arguing two separate videos. In the ground level video you can hear the shot but in the chopper video you cannot.

 

[PredFan]

Shitforbrains thinks the cops had microphones.

They do, and they clearly picked up the sound of the shot, but no sound of anyone yelling at him to stop. He is clearly walking to the car and assuming the frisking position as the female cop silently follows him.

In that video you cannot hear anything but the the car radio and the cops radio. You cannot hear if the officers nearest to the guy said anything. Naturally, the car cam's mic wouldn't pick up what the cops were telling him. Even the shot itself was muted to the point where it isn't easy to tell it was the shot. That video is NOT proof that the cops were not yelling at him. It is also inconclusive that the guy was assuming the frisking position as you claim. Our view of him was mostly obstructed. What little we did see could as likely been him trying to get into his car.

Nonsense .... the officer fired exactly one round and one shot is clearly discernible.

Not the point.

The point is that the shot is muted because the mic for the dash cam is inside the police car. If the shot is that muted, then you would not hear the voices of the cops even if they were yelling at him.

The shot sounds "muted" to you only because you have a hearing problem. The same mic that picked up the gunshot, picked up her saying "shot fired."

You are just an idiot.

 

[SwimExpert]

Watch the dashcam video. One cop had the gun trained on him, while the others were just arriving. No yelling.

I didn't hear any sound..
"others just arriving" good point.

Then you are deaf as you can clearly hear the gunshot!

What a liar, you can't hear any audio, not even the shot.

That's what happens when you put your computer speakers on mute.

I'll bet you are arguing two separate videos. In the ground level video you can hear the shot but in the chopper video you cannot.

You seem to have as poor attention as Weatherman, because this entire line of responses starts with me posting the dashcam video. Wake up.

 

[PredFan]

I didn't hear any sound..
"others just arriving" good point.

Then you are deaf as you can clearly hear the gunshot!

What a liar, you can't hear any audio, not even the shot.

That's what happens when you put your computer speakers on mute.

I'll bet you are arguing two separate videos. In the ground level video you can hear the shot but in the chopper video you cannot.

You seem to have as poor attention as Weatherman, because this entire line of responses starts with me posting the dashcam video. Wake up.

Hey moron, that is irrelevant. I am saying that he is confused, not you dumbass.

 

[SwimExpert]

Then you are deaf as you can clearly hear the gunshot!

What a liar, you can't hear any audio, not even the shot.

That's what happens when you put your computer speakers on mute.

I'll bet you are arguing two separate videos. In the ground level video you can hear the shot but in the chopper video you cannot.

You seem to have as poor attention as Weatherman, because this entire line of responses starts with me posting the dashcam video. Wake up.

Hey moron, that is irrelevant. I am saying that he is confused, not you dumbass.

And what I'm saying is that you are confused, whereas weatherman is being deliberately obtuse.

 

[PredFan]

What a liar, you can't hear any audio, not even the shot.

That's what happens when you put your computer speakers on mute.

I'll bet you are arguing two separate videos. In the ground level video you can hear the shot but in the chopper video you cannot.

You seem to have as poor attention as Weatherman, because this entire line of responses starts with me posting the dashcam video. Wake up.

Hey moron, that is irrelevant. I am saying that he is confused, not you dumbass.

And what I'm saying is that you are confused, whereas weatherman is being deliberately obtuse.

Man, where did these dumbasses come from all of a sudden?

You are dismissed, dumbass.

 

[Weatherman2020]

Shitforbrains thinks the cops had microphones.

They do, and they clearly picked up the sound of the shot, but no sound of anyone yelling at him to stop. He is clearly walking to the car and assuming the frisking position as the female cop silently follows him.

In that video you cannot hear anything but the the car radio and the cops radio. You cannot hear if the officers nearest to the guy said anything. Naturally, the car cam's mic wouldn't pick up what the cops were telling him. Even the shot itself was muted to the point where it isn't easy to tell it was the shot. That video is NOT proof that the cops were not yelling at him. It is also inconclusive that the guy was assuming the frisking position as you claim. Our view of him was mostly obstructed. What little we did see could as likely been him trying to get into his car.

Nonsense .... the officer fired exactly one round and one shot is clearly discernible.

Not the point.

The point is that the shot is muted because the mic for the dash cam is inside the police car. If the shot is that muted, then you would not hear the voices of the cops even if they were yelling at him.

The shot sounds "muted" to you only because you have a hearing problem. The same mic that picked up the gunshot, picked up her saying "shot fired."

Shitforbrains still thinks a radio is a webcam microphone.