Obama: GOP 'Holy Grail' Is 'Making Sure 30 Million People Don't Have Healthcare'

[NYcarbineer]

It's far worse than the President described it, when you're talking about the Republicans and healthcare;

the Ryan budget plan, which would be law if the GOP ever got control of Congress and the presidency, would cut 31% out of Medicaid and CHIP over ten years.

Ryan Block Grant Proposal Would Cut Medicaid by Nearly One-Third by 2023 and More After That ? Center on Budget and Policy Priorities

Another good example of how the primary goal of GOP economic/domestic policy is to make the rich richer and the poor poorer.

it's FAR worse than what you think.....Medicaid is going broke....Medicare is going broke....so what do the Dumbocrats do....create an even BIGGER boondoggle....Obumblecare...

the well-thought out Ryan budget plan would actually SAVE Medicaid/Medicare....and help direct it back to the free market....thus providing reliable help to the truly needy and everybodys' granny....

liberals really don't care about the poor....they just want to socialize (i.e. conrol) everybody's healthcare.....which will only deliver much poorer quality care and rationed care....the horrors of 'universal' healthcare are out there if you only care to look....that's why Congressmen and their staff make sure they aren't included in the plans...

Explain how the 'free market' provides healthcare for people who can't afford healthcare.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Ever notice how many right wingers don't even have healthcare and never did?

And gol dernit to road kill stew we en ain't ever gonna go to one a those "citified" doctors. Don't trust. Never did. Ma pardy says vaccines give you awtism.

Just between you and I, deanie.....

.....I don't need CommieCare.....


!

You also don't need a job because someone else is paying all your bills. lolol

 

[Stephanie]

Ever notice how many right wingers don't even have healthcare and never did?

And gol dernit to road kill stew we en ain't ever gonna go to one a those "citified" doctors. Don't trust. Never did. Ma pardy says vaccines give you awtism.

Just between you and I, deanie.....

.....I don't need CommieCare.....


!

You also don't need a job because someone else is paying all your bills. lolol

see it's you liberals who accuse people of being FREELOADERS...
Then you wail how someone used 47% and point out the amount of people on some form of government program

 

[NYcarbineer]

The GOP does not need a plan to insure 30 million Americans.

1. There aren't that many without insurance.
2. The government has no business forcing Me to pay for someones insurance.

The law needs to be repealed and not replaced.

So if Medicaid were ended altogether, which is your above stated desire, how would poor people who are currently using Medicaid pay for the healthcare they need?

Would they just go without? Is that what you believe would make America a better place...if we make sure that the poor fully suffer the consequences of being poor?

Some sort Darwinian social justice?

But why is Obama LYING about "30 million" when Politifact.org says there are 321 million people covered:
So when I add:
"About 60 percent under 65 is covered....a large-group or small-group "
About 22 percent of people under 65 are with a government program," Medicaid...
about 7 percent....individual market...."
PolitiFact | AFP ad says premiums will rise under Obamacare
That adds up to 89% which of the 316 million people according to the Census equals 281 million.. again NOT counted Medicare.
Medicare says there are 40 million over 65 covered.
Add 40 million to 281 million equals 321 million!

So please explain where 30 million uninsured come from???

The CBO estimate is around 30 million. All your numbers are the same nonsense you've posted a million times.

 

[ScreamingEagle]

It's far worse than the President described it, when you're talking about the Republicans and healthcare;

the Ryan budget plan, which would be law if the GOP ever got control of Congress and the presidency, would cut 31% out of Medicaid and CHIP over ten years.

Ryan Block Grant Proposal Would Cut Medicaid by Nearly One-Third by 2023 and More After That ? Center on Budget and Policy Priorities

Another good example of how the primary goal of GOP economic/domestic policy is to make the rich richer and the poor poorer.

it's FAR worse than what you think.....Medicaid is going broke....Medicare is going broke....so what do the Dumbocrats do....create an even BIGGER boondoggle....Obumblecare...

the well-thought out Ryan budget plan would actually SAVE Medicaid/Medicare....and help direct it back to the free market....thus providing reliable help to the truly needy and everybodys' granny....

liberals really don't care about the poor....they just want to socialize (i.e. conrol) everybody's healthcare.....which will only deliver much poorer quality care and rationed care....the horrors of 'universal' healthcare are out there if you only care to look....that's why Congressmen and their staff make sure they aren't included in the plans...

Explain how the 'free market' provides healthcare for people who can't afford healthcare.

i didn't say that.....there will always be some poor who need help....and republicans are willing to provide help for the most needy.....NOT for illegals and layabouts that suck off the system...

by setting the whole healthcare system free from government interference etc. and letting individuals control their own healthcare choices will bring the overall cost of healthcare down in price and quality care up.....because competition does that in a free market....

 

[Bfgrn]

It's far worse than the President described it, when you're talking about the Republicans and healthcare;

the Ryan budget plan, which would be law if the GOP ever got control of Congress and the presidency, would cut 31% out of Medicaid and CHIP over ten years.

Ryan Block Grant Proposal Would Cut Medicaid by Nearly One-Third by 2023 and More After That ? Center on Budget and Policy Priorities

Another good example of how the primary goal of GOP economic/domestic policy is to make the rich richer and the poor poorer.

it's FAR worse than what you think.....Medicaid is going broke....Medicare is going broke....so what do the Dumbocrats do....create an even BIGGER boondoggle....Obumblecare...

the well-thought out Ryan budget plan would actually SAVE Medicaid/Medicare....and help direct it back to the free market....thus providing reliable help to the truly needy and everybodys' granny....

liberals really don't care about the poor....they just want to socialize (i.e. conrol) everybody's healthcare.....which will only deliver much poorer quality care and rationed care....the horrors of 'universal' healthcare are out there if you only care to look....that's why Congressmen and their staff make sure they aren't included in the plans...

BULLSHIT!!!

Health News
Medicare Advantage cost U.S. taxpayer $283 billion extra

May 12 (UPI) -- Shifting Medicare patients to Medicare Advantage has cost the U.S. taxpayer almost $300 billion since the program began in 1985, researchers say.

The study, published online in the International Journal of Health Services, found the private insurance companies that participate in Medicare under the Medicare Advantage program and its predecessors have cost the publicly funded program for the elderly and disabled an extra $282.6 billion since 1985 -- most over the past eight years.

Dr. Ida Hellander, policy director at Physicians for a National Health Program, a non-profit group; Dr. Steffie Woolhandler and Dr. David Himmelstein, both of the City University of New York School of Public Health, visiting professors at Harvard Medical School and co-founders of PNHP; said in 2012 alone, private insurers were overpaid $34.1 billion -- or $2,526 per Medicare Advantage enrollee.

These are billions that should have been spent on improving patient care, shoring up Medicare's trust fund or reducing the federal deficit, the researchers said.

Since 1985, in an effort to lower the cost of Medicare, Congress allowed Medicare to contract with private insurance plans -- previously referred to as Medicare HMOs and now called Medicare Advantage plans. Such plans, most of them for-profit, currently cover about 27 percent of Medicare enrollees. Currently, UnitedHealth and Humana together operate about one-third of such plans.

Medicare pays these privately run plans a "premium" per enrollee for hospital and physician services -- averaging $10,123 in 2012 -- based on a prediction of how costly the enrollee's care will be.

The study found private insurers cherry-pick healthier beneficiaries who cost less to care for, guaranteeing large profits -- although private plans must accept all seniors who choose to enroll, they cherry-pick by selectively recruiting the healthiest seniors through advertising, office location, etc.

Read more: Medicare Advantage was to cut Medicare, but cost $283 billion more - UPI.com

 

[ScreamingEagle]

It's far worse than the President described it, when you're talking about the Republicans and healthcare;

the Ryan budget plan, which would be law if the GOP ever got control of Congress and the presidency, would cut 31% out of Medicaid and CHIP over ten years.

Ryan Block Grant Proposal Would Cut Medicaid by Nearly One-Third by 2023 and More After That ? Center on Budget and Policy Priorities

Another good example of how the primary goal of GOP economic/domestic policy is to make the rich richer and the poor poorer.

it's FAR worse than what you think.....Medicaid is going broke....Medicare is going broke....so what do the Dumbocrats do....create an even BIGGER boondoggle....Obumblecare...

the well-thought out Ryan budget plan would actually SAVE Medicaid/Medicare....and help direct it back to the free market....thus providing reliable help to the truly needy and everybodys' granny....

liberals really don't care about the poor....they just want to socialize (i.e. conrol) everybody's healthcare.....which will only deliver much poorer quality care and rationed care....the horrors of 'universal' healthcare are out there if you only care to look....that's why Congressmen and their staff make sure they aren't included in the plans...

BULLSHIT!!!

Health News
Medicare Advantage cost U.S. taxpayer $283 billion extra

May 12 (UPI) -- Shifting Medicare patients to Medicare Advantage has cost the U.S. taxpayer almost $300 billion since the program began in 1985, researchers say.

The study, published online in the International Journal of Health Services, found the private insurance companies that participate in Medicare under the Medicare Advantage program and its predecessors have cost the publicly funded program for the elderly and disabled an extra $282.6 billion since 1985 -- most over the past eight years.

Dr. Ida Hellander, policy director at Physicians for a National Health Program, a non-profit group; Dr. Steffie Woolhandler and Dr. David Himmelstein, both of the City University of New York School of Public Health, visiting professors at Harvard Medical School and co-founders of PNHP; said in 2012 alone, private insurers were overpaid $34.1 billion -- or $2,526 per Medicare Advantage enrollee.

These are billions that should have been spent on improving patient care, shoring up Medicare's trust fund or reducing the federal deficit, the researchers said.

Since 1985, in an effort to lower the cost of Medicare, Congress allowed Medicare to contract with private insurance plans -- previously referred to as Medicare HMOs and now called Medicare Advantage plans. Such plans, most of them for-profit, currently cover about 27 percent of Medicare enrollees. Currently, UnitedHealth and Humana together operate about one-third of such plans.

Medicare pays these privately run plans a "premium" per enrollee for hospital and physician services -- averaging $10,123 in 2012 -- based on a prediction of how costly the enrollee's care will be.

The study found private insurers cherry-pick healthier beneficiaries who cost less to care for, guaranteeing large profits -- although private plans must accept all seniors who choose to enroll, they cherry-pick by selectively recruiting the healthiest seniors through advertising, office location, etc.

Read more: Medicare Advantage was to cut Medicare, but cost $283 billion more - UPI.com

and your point is...?

 

[Bfgrn]

it's FAR worse than what you think.....Medicaid is going broke....Medicare is going broke....so what do the Dumbocrats do....create an even BIGGER boondoggle....Obumblecare...

the well-thought out Ryan budget plan would actually SAVE Medicaid/Medicare....and help direct it back to the free market....thus providing reliable help to the truly needy and everybodys' granny....

liberals really don't care about the poor....they just want to socialize (i.e. conrol) everybody's healthcare.....which will only deliver much poorer quality care and rationed care....the horrors of 'universal' healthcare are out there if you only care to look....that's why Congressmen and their staff make sure they aren't included in the plans...

BULLSHIT!!!

Health News
Medicare Advantage cost U.S. taxpayer $283 billion extra

May 12 (UPI) -- Shifting Medicare patients to Medicare Advantage has cost the U.S. taxpayer almost $300 billion since the program began in 1985, researchers say.

The study, published online in the International Journal of Health Services, found the private insurance companies that participate in Medicare under the Medicare Advantage program and its predecessors have cost the publicly funded program for the elderly and disabled an extra $282.6 billion since 1985 -- most over the past eight years.

Dr. Ida Hellander, policy director at Physicians for a National Health Program, a non-profit group; Dr. Steffie Woolhandler and Dr. David Himmelstein, both of the City University of New York School of Public Health, visiting professors at Harvard Medical School and co-founders of PNHP; said in 2012 alone, private insurers were overpaid $34.1 billion -- or $2,526 per Medicare Advantage enrollee.

These are billions that should have been spent on improving patient care, shoring up Medicare's trust fund or reducing the federal deficit, the researchers said.

Since 1985, in an effort to lower the cost of Medicare, Congress allowed Medicare to contract with private insurance plans -- previously referred to as Medicare HMOs and now called Medicare Advantage plans. Such plans, most of them for-profit, currently cover about 27 percent of Medicare enrollees. Currently, UnitedHealth and Humana together operate about one-third of such plans.

Medicare pays these privately run plans a "premium" per enrollee for hospital and physician services -- averaging $10,123 in 2012 -- based on a prediction of how costly the enrollee's care will be.

The study found private insurers cherry-pick healthier beneficiaries who cost less to care for, guaranteeing large profits -- although private plans must accept all seniors who choose to enroll, they cherry-pick by selectively recruiting the healthiest seniors through advertising, office location, etc.

Read more: Medicare Advantage was to cut Medicare, but cost $283 billion more - UPI.com

and your point is...?

You really need me to explain it to you? Medicare Advantage IS what privatization creates. Just like Medicare Part D.

Medicare is more cost effective than the private insurance industry. Every industrial nation spends about half as much per capita on health care than America...WHY?

Universal vs. Private Health Insurance

There is one factor common to the top 15 countries. They all have strong state funding of single-payer universal health care, instead of insurance based health care tied to employment. The bottom four countries – Germany, USA, Portugal and Switzerland – all depend more heavily on profit-based, private health insurance provided primarily through the employer/employee relationship

 

[Katzndogz]

30 million is too low. Mexicans are flooding in and being signed up as they arrive. How big is the population of mexico?

 

[Skull Pilot]

Health insurance is not health care.

Seem Obambam is too stupid to realize that.

 

[NYcarbineer]

it's FAR worse than what you think.....Medicaid is going broke....Medicare is going broke....so what do the Dumbocrats do....create an even BIGGER boondoggle....Obumblecare...

liberals really don't care about the poor....they just want to socialize (i.e. conrol) everybody's healthcare.....which will only deliver much poorer quality care and rationed care....the horrors of 'universal' healthcare are out there if you only care to look....that's why Congressmen and their staff make sure they aren't included in the plans...

Explain how the 'free market' provides healthcare for people who can't afford healthcare.

i didn't say that.....there will always be some poor who need help....and republicans are willing to provide help for the most needy.....NOT for illegals and layabouts that suck off the system...

by setting the whole healthcare system free from government interference etc. and letting individuals control their own healthcare choices will bring the overall cost of healthcare down in price and quality care up.....because competition does that in a free market....

You seem to have forgotten you said this:

the well-thought out Ryan budget plan would actually SAVE Medicaid/Medicare....and help direct it back to the free market....thus providing reliable help to the truly needy and everybodys' granny....

You're saying right there in no uncertain terms that the free market will provide reliable help to the truly needy...

So again my question is 'how does the 'free market' provide healthcare to people who can't afford healthcare?

Want a clue? It doesn't. The most basic fundamental principle of a 'free market' is that if you can't afford to buy something at market prices,

you go without.

 

[healthmyths]

It's far worse than the President described it, when you're talking about the Republicans and healthcare;

the Ryan budget plan, which would be law if the GOP ever got control of Congress and the presidency, would cut 31% out of Medicaid and CHIP over ten years.

Ryan Block Grant Proposal Would Cut Medicaid by Nearly One-Third by 2023 and More After That ? Center on Budget and Policy Priorities

Another good example of how the primary goal of GOP economic/domestic policy is to make the rich richer and the poor poorer.

it's FAR worse than what you think.....Medicaid is going broke....Medicare is going broke....so what do the Dumbocrats do....create an even BIGGER boondoggle....Obumblecare...

the well-thought out Ryan budget plan would actually SAVE Medicaid/Medicare....and help direct it back to the free market....thus providing reliable help to the truly needy and everybodys' granny....

liberals really don't care about the poor....they just want to socialize (i.e. conrol) everybody's healthcare.....which will only deliver much poorer quality care and rationed care....the horrors of 'universal' healthcare are out there if you only care to look....that's why Congressmen and their staff make sure they aren't included in the plans...

BULLSHIT!!!

Health News
Medicare Advantage cost U.S. taxpayer $283 billion extra

May 12 (UPI) -- Shifting Medicare patients to Medicare Advantage has cost the U.S. taxpayer almost $300 billion since the program began in 1985, researchers say.

The study, published online in the International Journal of Health Services, found the private insurance companies that participate in Medicare under the Medicare Advantage program and its predecessors have cost the publicly funded program for the elderly and disabled an extra $282.6 billion since 1985 -- most over the past eight years.

Dr. Ida Hellander, policy director at Physicians for a National Health Program, a non-profit group; Dr. Steffie Woolhandler and Dr. David Himmelstein, both of the City University of New York School of Public Health, visiting professors at Harvard Medical School and co-founders of PNHP; said in 2012 alone, private insurers were overpaid $34.1 billion -- or $2,526 per Medicare Advantage enrollee.

These are billions that should have been spent on improving patient care, shoring up Medicare's trust fund or reducing the federal deficit, the researchers said.

Since 1985, in an effort to lower the cost of Medicare, Congress allowed Medicare to contract with private insurance plans -- previously referred to as Medicare HMOs and now called Medicare Advantage plans. Such plans, most of them for-profit, currently cover about 27 percent of Medicare enrollees. Currently, UnitedHealth and Humana together operate about one-third of such plans.

Medicare pays these privately run plans a "premium" per enrollee for hospital and physician services -- averaging $10,123 in 2012 -- based on a prediction of how costly the enrollee's care will be.

The study found private insurers cherry-pick healthier beneficiaries who cost less to care for, guaranteeing large profits -- although private plans must accept all seniors who choose to enroll, they cherry-pick by selectively recruiting the healthiest seniors through advertising, office location, etc.

Read more: Medicare Advantage was to cut Medicare, but cost $283 billion more - UPI.com

A) Every one of the these MEDICARE Advantage PLANS PAy TAXES!! Dumb f...K!
At least 30% of the NET income paid BACK in Federal/State/Local AND YOUR property taxes would increase if they didn't pay!
B) Zero ZERO fraud to Medicare!
Billions of fraud claims submitted to Medicare and yet with Advantage plans Medicare PAYS exactly what Plan BIDS!
Medicare KNOWS these costs! Medicare DOESN"T know what their FRAUD claims from NON-Advantage providers!

Any good accountant or business person KNOWS if you KNOW exactly what your costs are you can plan your future with greater accuracy!

So if these idiots that bitch and moan about the TAX paying Advantage plans that employ for profit employees that
pay payroll taxes in addition to income taxes looked at the decided ADVANTAGES that I've received as an Advantage plan
member they might change their opinion.
For example MY advantage plan CALLS me to tell me I should make a preventative doctor appointment!
Did Medicare every call me?? NO!!!
Did Medicare make $600 a year in FREE over the counter vitamins, etc... ?? NO! My Advantage plan does!
Every time I would see a doctor under regular Medicare 20% out of my pocket to pay!
But MY ADVANTAGE PLAN pays it all... NO co-pay!
Does Medicare provide exercise facilities ??? NO! My advantage plan does so I can maintain my health which lowers my
health care costs! Does Medicare do any of that? NO!!

SO when you subtract ALL the benefits I get from my Advantage plan from that supposedly overcharging by Advantage Plans,
AND subtract the tAXES paid federal/state/local/property... the costs totally obliterate the supposedly $283 Billion!

Again stupid people with an agenda instead of using FACTS!!

 

[NYcarbineer]

So if 30 million that the Republicans want to deprive of affordable healthcare is not a good number,

how many millions do the Republicans want to deprive of affordable healthcare?

 

[healthmyths]

It's far worse than the President described it, when you're talking about the Republicans and healthcare;

the Ryan budget plan, which would be law if the GOP ever got control of Congress and the presidency, would cut 31% out of Medicaid and CHIP over ten years.

Ryan Block Grant Proposal Would Cut Medicaid by Nearly One-Third by 2023 and More After That ? Center on Budget and Policy Priorities

Another good example of how the primary goal of GOP economic/domestic policy is to make the rich richer and the poor poorer.

it's FAR worse than what you think.....Medicaid is going broke....Medicare is going broke....so what do the Dumbocrats do....create an even BIGGER boondoggle....Obumblecare...

the well-thought out Ryan budget plan would actually SAVE Medicaid/Medicare....and help direct it back to the free market....thus providing reliable help to the truly needy and everybodys' granny....

liberals really don't care about the poor....they just want to socialize (i.e. conrol) everybody's healthcare.....which will only deliver much poorer quality care and rationed care....the horrors of 'universal' healthcare are out there if you only care to look....that's why Congressmen and their staff make sure they aren't included in the plans...

BULLSHIT!!!

Health News
Medicare Advantage cost U.S. taxpayer $283 billion extra

May 12 (UPI) -- Shifting Medicare patients to Medicare Advantage has cost the U.S. taxpayer almost $300 billion since the program began in 1985, researchers say.

The study, published online in the International Journal of Health Services, found the private insurance companies that participate in Medicare under the Medicare Advantage program and its predecessors have cost the publicly funded program for the elderly and disabled an extra $282.6 billion since 1985 -- most over the past eight years.

Dr. Ida Hellander, policy director at Physicians for a National Health Program, a non-profit group; Dr. Steffie Woolhandler and Dr. David Himmelstein, both of the City University of New York School of Public Health, visiting professors at Harvard Medical School and co-founders of PNHP; said in 2012 alone, private insurers were overpaid $34.1 billion -- or $2,526 per Medicare Advantage enrollee.

These are billions that should have been spent on improving patient care, shoring up Medicare's trust fund or reducing the federal deficit, the researchers said.

Since 1985, in an effort to lower the cost of Medicare, Congress allowed Medicare to contract with private insurance plans -- previously referred to as Medicare HMOs and now called Medicare Advantage plans. Such plans, most of them for-profit, currently cover about 27 percent of Medicare enrollees. Currently, UnitedHealth and Humana together operate about one-third of such plans.

Medicare pays these privately run plans a "premium" per enrollee for hospital and physician services -- averaging $10,123 in 2012 -- based on a prediction of how costly the enrollee's care will be.

The study found private insurers cherry-pick healthier beneficiaries who cost less to care for, guaranteeing large profits -- although private plans must accept all seniors who choose to enroll, they cherry-pick by selectively recruiting the healthiest seniors through advertising, office location, etc.

Read more: Medicare Advantage was to cut Medicare, but cost $283 billion more - UPI.com

GEEZ the headline is f..king WRONG
Shifting Medicare patients to Medicare Advantage has cost the U.S. taxpayer almost $300 billion since the program began in 1985, researchers say.

Medicare Advantage PLANS started 2006 when part D when into play. medicare advance is part C of medicare
When did Medicare advantage plans start

So again... IF these "researchers???""" can't even figure out when Advantage plans started... sh...t HOW accurate are their figures???

 

[boedicca]

So if 30 million that the Republicans want to deprive of affordable healthcare is not a good number,

how many millions do the Republicans want to deprive of affordable healthcare?

Strawman false choice question.


ObamaCare is NOT HEALTH CARE. It is a Big Government Insurance and Price Control Program. It does absolutely nothing to increase the supply of health care.

More insurance without any increase in health care providers doesn't increase health care availability...it just puts the government in the center of rationing. And it's quite telling that the former ACORN operatives being hired as Negotiators have been given the signal to identify party affiliation.

 

[healthmyths]

BULLSHIT!!!

Health News
Medicare Advantage cost U.S. taxpayer $283 billion extra

May 12 (UPI) -- Shifting Medicare patients to Medicare Advantage has cost the U.S. taxpayer almost $300 billion since the program began in 1985, researchers say.

The study, published online in the International Journal of Health Services, found the private insurance companies that participate in Medicare under the Medicare Advantage program and its predecessors have cost the publicly funded program for the elderly and disabled an extra $282.6 billion since 1985 -- most over the past eight years.

Dr. Ida Hellander, policy director at Physicians for a National Health Program, a non-profit group; Dr. Steffie Woolhandler and Dr. David Himmelstein, both of the City University of New York School of Public Health, visiting professors at Harvard Medical School and co-founders of PNHP; said in 2012 alone, private insurers were overpaid $34.1 billion -- or $2,526 per Medicare Advantage enrollee.

These are billions that should have been spent on improving patient care, shoring up Medicare's trust fund or reducing the federal deficit, the researchers said.

Since 1985, in an effort to lower the cost of Medicare, Congress allowed Medicare to contract with private insurance plans -- previously referred to as Medicare HMOs and now called Medicare Advantage plans. Such plans, most of them for-profit, currently cover about 27 percent of Medicare enrollees. Currently, UnitedHealth and Humana together operate about one-third of such plans.

Medicare pays these privately run plans a "premium" per enrollee for hospital and physician services -- averaging $10,123 in 2012 -- based on a prediction of how costly the enrollee's care will be.

The study found private insurers cherry-pick healthier beneficiaries who cost less to care for, guaranteeing large profits -- although private plans must accept all seniors who choose to enroll, they cherry-pick by selectively recruiting the healthiest seniors through advertising, office location, etc.

Read more: Medicare Advantage was to cut Medicare, but cost $283 billion more - UPI.com

and your point is...?

You really need me to explain it to you? Medicare Advantage IS what privatization creates. Just like Medicare Part D.

Medicare is more cost effective than the private insurance industry. Every industrial nation spends about half as much per capita on health care than America...WHY?

Universal vs. Private Health Insurance

There is one factor common to the top 15 countries. They all have strong state funding of single-payer universal health care, instead of insurance based health care tied to employment. The bottom four countries – Germany, USA, Portugal and Switzerland – all depend more heavily on profit-based, private health insurance provided primarily through the employer/employee relationship

A) Medicare does NOT process one single CLAIM! So that crap about being efficient??
All done by 20 contractors that LOSE money processing the claims due to the massive amount of rules and regulations Medicare requires!
B) YOU again IGNORE the FACT there are LESS the 4 million people that truly want and need health insurance! 4 MILLION!!!
18 million don't want or need health insurance as under 34, pay out of their $50,000 a year income their own health expenses!
14 million are already covered by Medicaid!
10 million are NOT citizens...
That means less the 4 million truly uninsured!

C) The top 15 countries???? ALL are homogeneous populations!!! I.E. same life styles, same life expectancies. and the very wealthy
in all those countries come to the USA for health services because their "universal" doesn't PROVIDE THE QUALITY!!!

 

[ScreamingEagle]

BULLSHIT!!!

Health News
Medicare Advantage cost U.S. taxpayer $283 billion extra

May 12 (UPI) -- Shifting Medicare patients to Medicare Advantage has cost the U.S. taxpayer almost $300 billion since the program began in 1985, researchers say.

The study, published online in the International Journal of Health Services, found the private insurance companies that participate in Medicare under the Medicare Advantage program and its predecessors have cost the publicly funded program for the elderly and disabled an extra $282.6 billion since 1985 -- most over the past eight years.

Dr. Ida Hellander, policy director at Physicians for a National Health Program, a non-profit group; Dr. Steffie Woolhandler and Dr. David Himmelstein, both of the City University of New York School of Public Health, visiting professors at Harvard Medical School and co-founders of PNHP; said in 2012 alone, private insurers were overpaid $34.1 billion -- or $2,526 per Medicare Advantage enrollee.

These are billions that should have been spent on improving patient care, shoring up Medicare's trust fund or reducing the federal deficit, the researchers said.

Since 1985, in an effort to lower the cost of Medicare, Congress allowed Medicare to contract with private insurance plans -- previously referred to as Medicare HMOs and now called Medicare Advantage plans. Such plans, most of them for-profit, currently cover about 27 percent of Medicare enrollees. Currently, UnitedHealth and Humana together operate about one-third of such plans.

Medicare pays these privately run plans a "premium" per enrollee for hospital and physician services -- averaging $10,123 in 2012 -- based on a prediction of how costly the enrollee's care will be.

The study found private insurers cherry-pick healthier beneficiaries who cost less to care for, guaranteeing large profits -- although private plans must accept all seniors who choose to enroll, they cherry-pick by selectively recruiting the healthiest seniors through advertising, office location, etc.

Read more: Medicare Advantage was to cut Medicare, but cost $283 billion more - UPI.com

and your point is...?

You really need me to explain it to you? Medicare Advantage IS what privatization creates. Just like Medicare Part D.

Medicare is more cost effective than the private insurance industry. Every industrial nation spends about half as much per capita on health care than America...WHY?

Universal vs. Private Health Insurance

There is one factor common to the top 15 countries. They all have strong state funding of single-payer universal health care, instead of insurance based health care tied to employment. The bottom four countries – Germany, USA, Portugal and Switzerland – all depend more heavily on profit-based, private health insurance provided primarily through the employer/employee relationship

America has the best healthcare in the world.....even your article says America has 8 of the top 10 best hospitals in the world.....and you think changing over to socialized medicine will make things better.....?

Yes....Medicare Advantage (MA) is a form of PRIVATE of medical care and that is obviously why Obama GUTTED it....

Medicare Advantage actually saves the taxpayers money.....it provides the same healthcare as regular Medicare but for 13% less than regular Medicare...and seniors have been very happy with the plan....

You would think this program would be expanded but instead Obama is GUTTING this sensible money-saving program in order to attain his grand goal of socialized medicine...

 

[NYcarbineer]

So if 30 million that the Republicans want to deprive of affordable healthcare is not a good number,

how many millions do the Republicans want to deprive of affordable healthcare?

Strawman false choice question.


ObamaCare is NOT HEALTH CARE. It is a Big Government Insurance and Price Control Program. It does absolutely nothing to increase the supply of health care.

More insurance without any increase in health care providers doesn't increase health care availability...it just puts the government in the center of rationing. And it's quite telling that the former ACORN operatives being hired as Negotiators have been given the signal to identify party affiliation.

If the Ryan budget wants to cut Medicaid by 31% in 10 years, convince me that no one will lose affordable healthcare if that were made law.

 

[ScreamingEagle]

Explain how the 'free market' provides healthcare for people who can't afford healthcare.

i didn't say that.....there will always be some poor who need help....and republicans are willing to provide help for the most needy.....NOT for illegals and layabouts that suck off the system...

by setting the whole healthcare system free from government interference etc. and letting individuals control their own healthcare choices will bring the overall cost of healthcare down in price and quality care up.....because competition does that in a free market....

You seem to have forgotten you said this:

the well-thought out Ryan budget plan would actually SAVE Medicaid/Medicare....and help direct it back to the free market....thus providing reliable help to the truly needy and everybodys' granny....

You're saying right there in no uncertain terms that the free market will provide reliable help to the truly needy...

So again my question is 'how does the 'free market' provide healthcare to people who can't afford healthcare?

Want a clue? It doesn't. The most basic fundamental principle of a 'free market' is that if you can't afford to buy something at market prices,

you go without.

like i said before......republicans are willing to help the truly needy.....it would be FAR simpler to just give them payment vouchers to go buy the healthcare they need off the free market instead of forming a government monstrosity called Obumblecare....

 

[Spoonman]

I heard him say that line of bullshit.

Just because I don't think it's our government's responsibility to provide us with health insurance, nevermind REQUIRING purchase, that does NOT mean I don't think people should have it.

the holy grail for obama is putting the middle class further in debt and making the 1% the .05%