Obama misreading 2008 Deportation Law

Did you bother to read the OP? It indicates that Obama should be releasing *more* illegal immigrant children into the US than he's allowing.

Do you support the president's position that fewer unaccompanied children from Central America should be released into the United States. Or the OP's position that more unaccompanied children from Central America should be released into the United States.

Yes

Not exactly. First the pres. talks out of both sides of his mouth on the issue. Second, the op is claiming they have parents here and the kids should be given to their parents, further proving the 2008 human trafficking law does not apply.

So yes you read the OP. Okay, so we're all on the same page that the parents that the Center of Immigration Studies is referring to are INSIDE the United States, and that the CIS believes that Obama should be releasing the majority of the illegal immigrant children in detention INTO the United States.

And which do you support? The President's position that more of these children NOT be released into the United States? Or the CIS position that MORE of these children be released into the United States?

Either you support the president...or you support the CIS. Pick one.

Wrong.

Illegal immigrants taking custody of their illegal immigrant children doesn't work. Where are all these legal immigrants coming forward to claim their children they've allowed to suffer so inhumanly ? It's a claim I haven't seen substantiated either.

The pres is just wrong, again, using the 2008 law.
 
Hell Bush opened the boarders wide & invited Mexico in. He wanted to merge Mexico, Canada & the USA into the North American Alliance.

Obama has stopped the flow & Republicans are pissed!
 
Yes

Not exactly. First the pres. talks out of both sides of his mouth on the issue. Second, the op is claiming they have parents here and the kids should be given to their parents, further proving the 2008 human trafficking law does not apply.

So yes you read the OP. Okay, so we're all on the same page that the parents that the Center of Immigration Studies is referring to are INSIDE the United States, and that the CIS believes that Obama should be releasing the majority of the illegal immigrant children in detention INTO the United States.

And which do you support? The President's position that more of these children NOT be released into the United States? Or the CIS position that MORE of these children be released into the United States?

Either you support the president...or you support the CIS. Pick one.


You're making a fool of yourself you fucking idiot. You OBVIOUSLY are incapable of comprehending what the hell you read.. These are the nitwits who vote.

Here's your own article [bold added for emphasis]:

"Jon Feere, legal policy analyst at the center, said that 2008 law applied only to unaccompanied minors who don’t have a parent or guardian already in the U.S. — a situation he said doesn’t apply to “a significant majority” of the children now jumping the border......

.......The law, the William Wilberforce Trafficking Victims Protection Reauthorization Act of 2008, was designed to combat human trafficking, including sexual trafficking of children. It says that authorities encounter children from countries that don’t border the U.S. who are traveling alone, the kids should be interviewed to determine if they have been trafficked, and then should be quickly turned over to social workers, and eventually reunited with families.

The children are usually still subject to being deported — but many of them never show up for their proceedings, and end up blending in with the estimated 12 million illegal immigrants already in the U.S."

Obama may be misreading 2008 deportation law, report shows - Washington Times

You're saying that the CIS isn't claiming that a 'significant majority' of the unaccompanied illegal immigrant children from Central American countries in US custody should be released to their parents or guardians INSIDE the United States?

Then explain it to us. What then is the CIS position according to you? What are they insisting Obama 'should' be doing....if 'the law applied only to unaccompanied minors who don’t have a parent or guardian already in the U.S'

And good luck.
 
The Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America (SPP) was a region-level dialogue with the stated purpose of providing greater cooperation on security and economic issues. The Partnership was founded in Waco, Texas, on March 23, 2005, by Prime Minister of Canada Paul Martin, President of Mexico Vicente Fox, and U.S. President George W. Bush.
 
Yes

Not exactly. First the pres. talks out of both sides of his mouth on the issue. Second, the op is claiming they have parents here and the kids should be given to their parents, further proving the 2008 human trafficking law does not apply.

So yes you read the OP. Okay, so we're all on the same page that the parents that the Center of Immigration Studies is referring to are INSIDE the United States, and that the CIS believes that Obama should be releasing the majority of the illegal immigrant children in detention INTO the United States.

And which do you support? The President's position that more of these children NOT be released into the United States? Or the CIS position that MORE of these children be released into the United States?

Either you support the president...or you support the CIS. Pick one.

Wrong.

Illegal immigrants taking custody of their illegal immigrant children doesn't work. Where are all these legal immigrants coming forward to claim their children they've allowed to suffer so inhumanly ? It's a claim I haven't seen substantiated either.

The pres is just wrong, again, using the 2008 law.

The president's position is that these illegal immigrant children SHOULD NOT be released to their parents or guardians in the US.

The CIS is arguing that a 'significant majority' of these illegal immigrant children SHOULD be released to their parents or guardians in the US.

Who do you support? The President or the CIS?
 
Obama is delivering on his promise to fundamentally change America.

He's delivering on his promise to fundamentally change American by NOT releasing tens of thousands of illegal immigrant children into the United States?

Really?

Pay attention to your messiah deary

Laughing.....read the article you're babbling about first. Then ramble on about 'paying attention'.

Again, the President's position is that these unaccompanied illegal immigrant children from Central American countries in US custody NOT be released to their parents or guardians in the US.

Do you agree or disagree with the President's position?
 
The Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America (SPP) was a region-level dialogue with the stated purpose of providing greater cooperation on security and economic issues. The Partnership was founded in Waco, Texas, on March 23, 2005, by Prime Minister of Canada Paul Martin, President of Mexico Vicente Fox, and U.S. President George W. Bush.

The kids in question aren't Mexicans. They're from non-contiguous countries, countries that don't share a border with the US. Countries like Honduras, Guatemala, El Salvador, etc.

If they were Mexican children, we can just send them right back, as we already have agreements in place to expedite the process. And the 2008 trafficking law explicitly exempts them from the interview requirement.
 
He's delivering on his promise to fundamentally change American by NOT releasing tens of thousands of illegal immigrant children into the United States?

Really?

Pay attention to your messiah deary

Laughing.....read the article you're babbling about first. Then ramble on about 'paying attention'.

Again, the President's position is that these unaccompanied illegal immigrant children from Central American countries in US custody NOT be released to their parents or guardians in the US.

Do you agree or disagree with the President's position?

I am not babbling...YOU are :cuckoo:
 
So yes you read the OP. Okay, so we're all on the same page that the parents that the Center of Immigration Studies is referring to are INSIDE the United States, and that the CIS believes that Obama should be releasing the majority of the illegal immigrant children in detention INTO the United States.

And which do you support? The President's position that more of these children NOT be released into the United States? Or the CIS position that MORE of these children be released into the United States?

Either you support the president...or you support the CIS. Pick one.

Wrong.

Illegal immigrants taking custody of their illegal immigrant children doesn't work. Where are all these legal immigrants coming forward to claim their children they've allowed to suffer so inhumanly ? It's a claim I haven't seen substantiated either.

The pres is just wrong, again, using the 2008 law.

The president's position is that these illegal immigrant children SHOULD NOT be released to their parents or guardians in the US.

The CIS is arguing that a 'significant majority' of these illegal immigrant children SHOULD be released to their parents or guardians in the US.

Who do you support? The President or the CIS?

Link that is the prez position

Link that's the CIS position rather than the cherry picked words Jon Feere

Neither are trustworthy base on the op.
 
Pay attention to your messiah deary

Laughing.....read the article you're babbling about first. Then ramble on about 'paying attention'.

Again, the President's position is that these unaccompanied illegal immigrant children from Central American countries in US custody NOT be released to their parents or guardians in the US.

Do you agree or disagree with the President's position?

I am not babbling...YOU are :cuckoo:

Yawning......"I'm rubber, you're glue" is the extent of your knowledge on the topic? Come back when you've bothered to read as much as the article in the OP. Until then, you simply don't know enough about the topic to comment intelligently.

Sigh.....low information conservative voters. Gotta love 'em.
 
Laughing.....read the article you're babbling about first. Then ramble on about 'paying attention'.

Again, the President's position is that these unaccompanied illegal immigrant children from Central American countries in US custody NOT be released to their parents or guardians in the US.

Do you agree or disagree with the President's position?

I am not babbling...YOU are :cuckoo:

Yawning......"I'm rubber, you're glue" is the extent of your knowledge on the topic? Come back when you've bothered to read as much as the article in the OP. Until then, you simply don't know enough about the topic to comment intelligently.

Sigh.....low information conservative voters. Gotta love 'em.

I have learned one thing in my dealings with people like yourself....I do not waste my time.

I wasted plenty of time in the past....not so much now. I do not suffer fools

Have fun, equivocating
 
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this is one sneaky bastard we have as president......:mad:

what i'd like to know is how are they protecting all these 'trafficked' children by setting them loose all over the country.....?

human traffickers are even sneakier.....they will pose as parents or as family members....they will provide the children names and addresses to fool the agents....anything to get the kids they want through the detention centers and into the country and under their control.....and since the children don't have to appear before the court for 3 years or so they can just disappear into the 'shadows' as most will not show up for the court hearing....what chance do these young people have....?

You do realize that the conservative 'Center for Immigration Studies' is indicating that *more* of these central American children are supposed to be released into the United States than Obama is allowing, yes?

Do you realize what you're doing? If there were more to be released than Obama is allowing, wouldn't you think he is simply putting on an aura of effort whilst letting as many illegals as he can through? That law is a perfect excuse for Obama to keep them here.
 
Wrong.

Illegal immigrants taking custody of their illegal immigrant children doesn't work. Where are all these legal immigrants coming forward to claim their children they've allowed to suffer so inhumanly ? It's a claim I haven't seen substantiated either.

The pres is just wrong, again, using the 2008 law.

The president's position is that these illegal immigrant children SHOULD NOT be released to their parents or guardians in the US.

The CIS is arguing that a 'significant majority' of these illegal immigrant children SHOULD be released to their parents or guardians in the US.

Who do you support? The President or the CIS?

Link that is the prez position

Link that's the CIS position rather than the cherry picked words Jon Feere

Neither are trustworthy base on the op.

Its in the OP article. The CIS is complaining that the president ISN'T releasing these children to their parents or guardians in the US, as they insist the 2008 law requires.

Is the CIS wrong? Is the president doing what the CIS insist he should be doing, and releasing the 'significant majority' of these children to their parents and guardians in the US?

Or is the CIS right on the president's actions....and the president REFUSES to release a 'significant majority' of these children to their parents and guardians in the US? The 'misreading' that the CIS is lamenting about is claim that the '2008 law applied only to unaccompanied minors who don’t have a parent or guardian already in the U.S.'

Pick which.
 
this is one sneaky bastard we have as president......:mad:

what i'd like to know is how are they protecting all these 'trafficked' children by setting them loose all over the country.....?

human traffickers are even sneakier.....they will pose as parents or as family members....they will provide the children names and addresses to fool the agents....anything to get the kids they want through the detention centers and into the country and under their control.....and since the children don't have to appear before the court for 3 years or so they can just disappear into the 'shadows' as most will not show up for the court hearing....what chance do these young people have....?

You do realize that the conservative 'Center for Immigration Studies' is indicating that *more* of these central American children are supposed to be released into the United States than Obama is allowing, yes?

Do you realize what you're doing? If there were more to be released than Obama is allowing, wouldn't you think he is simply putting on an aura of effort whilst letting as many illegals as he can through? That law is a perfect excuse for Obama to keep them here.

So you admit that Obama isn't allowing a 'significant majority' of these children to be released to a parent or guardian in the US. And that the CIS insists that he should?

Its been nearly an hour of squirming, name calling, excuses and evasion. While the OP article is ludicrously clear on the matter:

Jon Feere, legal policy analyst at the center, said that 2008 law applied only to unaccompanied minors who don’t have a parent or guardian already in the U.S. — a situation he said doesn’t apply to “a significant majority” of the children now jumping the border......

.......The law, the William Wilberforce Trafficking Victims Protection Reauthorization Act of 2008, was designed to combat human trafficking, including sexual trafficking of children. It says that authorities encounter children from countries that don’t border the U.S. who are traveling alone, the kids should be interviewed to determine if they have been trafficked, and then should be quickly turned over to social workers, and eventually reunited with families.

The children are usually still subject to being deported — but many of them never show up for their proceedings, and end up blending in with the estimated 12 million illegal immigrants already in the U.S.

Obama may be misreading 2008 deportation law, report shows - Washington Times

So do you even disagree with the President's position? Or will you take the tactic of every other conservative on this thread, and fastidiously avoid the question?
 
You do realize that the conservative 'Center for Immigration Studies' is indicating that *more* of these central American children are supposed to be released into the United States than Obama is allowing, yes?

Do you realize what you're doing? If there were more to be released than Obama is allowing, wouldn't you think he is simply putting on an aura of effort whilst letting as many illegals as he can through? That law is a perfect excuse for Obama to keep them here.

So you admit that Obama isn't allowing a 'significant majority' of these children to be released to a parent or guardian in the US. And that the CIS insists that he should?

Its been nearly an hour of squirming, name calling, excuses and evasion. While the OP article is ludicrously clear on the matter:

Jon Feere, legal policy analyst at the center, said that 2008 law applied only to unaccompanied minors who don’t have a parent or guardian already in the U.S. — a situation he said doesn’t apply to “a significant majority” of the children now jumping the border......

.......The law, the William Wilberforce Trafficking Victims Protection Reauthorization Act of 2008, was designed to combat human trafficking, including sexual trafficking of children. It says that authorities encounter children from countries that don’t border the U.S. who are traveling alone, the kids should be interviewed to determine if they have been trafficked, and then should be quickly turned over to social workers, and eventually reunited with families.

The children are usually still subject to being deported — but many of them never show up for their proceedings, and end up blending in with the estimated 12 million illegal immigrants already in the U.S.

Obama may be misreading 2008 deportation law, report shows - Washington Times

So do you even disagree with the President's position? Or will you take the tactic of every other conservative on this thread, and fastidiously avoid the question?

don't kid yourself.....Obama is shipping these kids as fast as he can all over the USA....in fact he wants more money to do so...

and where does the law state that the non-trafficked children need to be reunited with family in the USA instead of with family in their country of origin...you know...the family that sent them off on their trip....?
 
don't kid yourself.....Obama is shipping these kids as fast as he can all over the USA....in fact he wants more money to do so...

Then what, pray tell, is the CIS complaining about? What 'misreading' are they referring to if, as you claim, Obama's already shipping these kids all over the US?

You seem to be contradicting the CIS account rather directly.
 
don't kid yourself.....Obama is shipping these kids as fast as he can all over the USA....in fact he wants more money to do so...

Then what, pray tell, is the CIS complaining about? What 'misreading' are they referring to if, as you claim, Obama's already shipping these kids all over the US?

You seem to be contradicting the CIS account rather directly.

Unaccompanied alien children are, by definition under federal law, are children who do not have family or legal guardians in the United States....these are trafficked children that should be kept for legal proceedings under the 2008 law....

Children who do have family in the USA are, by definition, not 'unaccompanied' and therefore do not fall under the 2008 law...

Federal law defines an "unaccompanied alien child" as a person who "has no lawful immigration status in the United States" and "has not attained 18 years of age" and does not have "a parent or legal guardian in the United States".12 The last part of this definition is significant in that available data, described earlier, suggest most of the children coming across the border either arrive with family or have a parent or guardian in the United States. In fact, federal officials have been transporting children to these guardians.

CIS is complaining about Obama....here's the CIS article by John Feere....i'm not contradicting CIS at all.....we agree...

The Obama administration appears to be hiding behind the 2008 law and acting like it requires them to allow the current wave of illegal immigration to continue. Yet the trafficking statute has little applicability to the situation at hand. Even without new legislation, the White House has a number of tools at its disposal to discourage the current influx of illegal immigrant families.

2008 Trafficking Law Largely Inapplicable to Current Border Crisis | Center for Immigration Studies
 
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Misreading? That's assuming he read it at all :eusa_hand:

Did you bother to read the OP? It indicates that Obama should be releasing *more* illegal immigrant children into the US than he's allowing.

Do you support the president's position that fewer unaccompanied children from Central America should be released into the United States. Or the OP's position that more unaccompanied children from Central America should be released into the United States.

Yes

Not exactly. First the pres. talks out of both sides of his mouth on the issue. Second, the op is claiming they have parents here and the kids should be given to their parents, further proving the 2008 human trafficking law does not apply.

Besides that, the 2008 law applies to "victims of trafficking". Most of the m=new arrivals are coming in on their own volition. Some have even PAID thousands of $$ for the trip. That's not being victimized.

Also, regarding the ones who are being picked up by border patrol "unaccompanied", who is to say that those kids were not accompanied by adults right up until the time they got to the border, and then let loose ? Kind of hard to believe kids as young as these are managing to travel 1800 miles to the US "unaccompanied". Victims, my ass.
 
Unaccompanied alien children are, by definition under federal law, are children who do not have family or legal guardians in the United States....these are trafficked children that should be kept for legal proceedings under the 2008 law....

Children who do have family in the USA are, by definition, not 'unaccompanied' and therefore do not fall under the 2008 law...

Two problems. First, the 2008 trafficking law doesn't define 'unaccompanied' as a child who has no relative in the US. Here's the law:

William Wilberforce Trafficking Victims Protection Reauthorization Act of 2008
Show us that special definition. It doesn't exist. We then have to fall back on the regular English definitions. Unaccompanied means 'having no companion or escort.'

I'm unaware of any context where 'unaccompanied' mean having no parent or guardian in the United States. Anywhere. Can you provide any law, in any context, where that definition is recognized or articulated?

Second......what happens per the brand new, never been used before CIS definition of 'unaccompanied' if one of these chidren has a family or guardian already in the US? The article makes it ridiculously clear:

Jon Feere, legal policy analyst at the center, said that 2008 law applied only to unaccompanied minors who don’t have a parent or guardian already in the U.S. — a situation he said doesn’t apply to “a significant majority” of the children now jumping the border......

.......The law, the William Wilberforce Trafficking Victims Protection Reauthorization Act of 2008, was designed to combat human trafficking, including sexual trafficking of children. It says that authorities encounter children from countries that don’t border the U.S. who are traveling alone, the kids should be interviewed to determine if they have been trafficked, and then should be quickly turned over to social workers, and eventually reunited with families.

The children are usually still subject to being deported — but many of them never show up for their proceedings, and end up blending in with the estimated 12 million illegal immigrants already in the U.S.

The illegal immigrant children get released into the United States. That's the CIS position. That's the CIS argument. That's the product of the CIS definition. The Obama administration doesn't recognize their inventive definition and instead holds these children in custody pending deportation .

And NOT releasing them into the United States.

So which position do you support? The CIS position that a 'significant majority' of these illegal immigrant children should be released to their parents within the US. Or Obama's position that they shouldn't be released into the US?

I've asked this question half a dozen times. And so far, no one has had the stones to answer it.
 

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