Obama Orders Climate Change Be Considered in Military Planning

[Kosh]

I'm so old I remember when the goal of the military was to destroy the enemy.

Obama orders climate change be considered in military planning

Well that just means now that the military can now take advantage of the cash cow religious belief.

 

[Kosh]

Every other country in the world is making worst case contingency plans for the expected impacts climate change will have, in the meantime conservatives would ignore this

Every country in the world is expecting the US taxpayer to foot the bill to stop the warming. Pissing away our resources on a fools errand.

The people who bet on renewables are doing pretty good right now, how's that coal stock doing?

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/24/b...e-energy-stumbles-toward-the-future.html?_r=0

If you had read that correctly you would have noticed that it was more about Wall Street building a bubble around an emerging industry and doing it wrong. It brought up similarities to the dotcom bust that are valid, but here's the question: did the dotcom bust prove the internet was an awful idea that should be abandoned? Did people go running back to telephones, faxes and snail mail to communicate? No, renewable energy will eventually become a mature industry and we will all be better off.

This from the far left drone that supports Hilary, the Wall street Queen..

 

[occupied]

Every other country in the world is making worst case contingency plans for the expected impacts climate change will have, in the meantime conservatives would ignore this

Every country in the world is expecting the US taxpayer to foot the bill to stop the warming. Pissing away our resources on a fools errand.

Plenty of money to be made in alt energy. What's so great about pollution?

Fossil fuel bigots, not burning stuff for energy just seems wrong to them.

Fossil fuels were put on this earth to burn, quit your whining

Are you saying fossil fuels are a gift from God? What then is sunlight and wind? A commie plot?

 

[idb]

People have been "researching" this supposed manmade climate change for forty-six years. And after all that researching, all that screaming, all that denigration of those who don't see any evidence for it...

...not a single report proving that man has had any impact on climate change, or can ever have any in the foreseeable future, has ever been published.

Not one. In forty-six years.

Lots of stuff has been published saying that man has had an effect on climate change. and lots of it claims to "prove" it, or at least support it, by "logic" such as:

1.) Increased levels of (CO2, methane, hydrogen, pick your favorite "greenhouse gas") can change the climate.

2.) Man can create more greenhouse gases by paving too much land, or burning fossil fuels, or exhaling really heavily (insert the activity you want to demonize here).

3.) Man is doing that activity, so man is changing the climate.

No attempt to establish what increase in gases is necessary to actually change the climate in whatever way you are fearing this week. No attempt to find if man is actually creating that much. No attempt to find if such increases do or don't trigger other events that might absorb or use up more of those gases (more plants growing or oceans absorbing or whatever). Etc. etc.

And a great deal of publishing has been done, of documents that purport to "prove" that man is affecting the climate, by referring to long bibliographies of learned documents and other "studies". But if you actually look into those bibliographies and open up the documents they cite, you find... you guessed it, more bibliographies, pointing to yet more documents. No actual studies or experiments that demonstrate what the publishers say is true. Just references to even more studies... which in turn refer to even more studies... none of which ever actually prove the original assertion.

FORTY-SIX YEARS. And not a single actual proof.

There's a reason for this. And it's similar to the reason why no chemical has ever been found that can turn lead into gold... something that has been "researched" for thousands of years.

And the reason is, because there just plain isn't any.

Go peddle your papers, manmade-global-whatever hysterics. You HAVE succeeded in convincing the rest of us of one thing: that you're selling snake oil, no matter how high a price you're charging for it. Nothing else could account for your complete failure to produce even ONE piece of proof, after all the resources you have expended (usually from other peoples' pockets) and forty-plus years of trying.

Why not join the Flat Earth Society? You'll find some people there, who have the mindset needed to believe you.

Yappy yap yap. And every one of the Scientific Societies, every one of the National Academies of Science of all the nations of the world, and all the major Universities state that AGW is real, and a clear and present danger. And you have the balls to believe you know better than all the scientists from the many different nations on this planet that have studied the subject for decades. You are an idiot.

The effects of the warming are already evident in extreme weather events, in the melting of the cryosphere, in the increasing acidity of the oceans.

Again you're battling strawmen and losing.
No one denies global warming exists. We all enjoy the Great Lakes and Yosemite thanks to it.

So you agree that global warming is happening yet Obama's an idiot for telling the military to consider it in their long term planning.
Hmmmm....

 

[Kosh]

Every other country in the world is making worst case contingency plans for the expected impacts climate change will have, in the meantime conservatives would ignore this

Every country in the world is expecting the US taxpayer to foot the bill to stop the warming. Pissing away our resources on a fools errand.

Plenty of money to be made in alt energy. What's so great about pollution?

Fossil fuel bigots, not burning stuff for energy just seems wrong to them.

Fossil fuels were put on this earth to burn, quit your whining

Are you saying fossil fuels are a gift from God? What then is sunlight and wind? A commie plot?

Only the AGW gods claim it s not natural!

Silly far left drones!

 

[Rustic]

Every other country in the world is making worst case contingency plans for the expected impacts climate change will have, in the meantime conservatives would ignore this

Every country in the world is expecting the US taxpayer to foot the bill to stop the warming. Pissing away our resources on a fools errand.

Plenty of money to be made in alt energy. What's so great about pollution?

Fossil fuel bigots, not burning stuff for energy just seems wrong to them.

Fossil fuels were put on this earth to burn, quit your whining

Are you saying fossil fuels are a gift from God? What then is sunlight and wind? A commie plot?

I'm for all the above, renewables are decades away from being reliable and adequate... This is not fucking Star Trek

 

[Kosh]

Every country in the world is expecting the US taxpayer to foot the bill to stop the warming. Pissing away our resources on a fools errand.

Plenty of money to be made in alt energy. What's so great about pollution?

Fossil fuel bigots, not burning stuff for energy just seems wrong to them.

Fossil fuels were put on this earth to burn, quit your whining

Are you saying fossil fuels are a gift from God? What then is sunlight and wind? A commie plot?

I'm for all the above, renewables are decades away from being reliable and adequate... This is not fucking Star Trek

No the far left has yet to figure out how to tax the "renewable" energies.

The taxes collected on gas goes to pay for the roads, if you get rid of fossil fuels, what will pay for the roads?

 

[occupied]

Every country in the world is expecting the US taxpayer to foot the bill to stop the warming. Pissing away our resources on a fools errand.

Plenty of money to be made in alt energy. What's so great about pollution?

Fossil fuel bigots, not burning stuff for energy just seems wrong to them.

Fossil fuels were put on this earth to burn, quit your whining

Are you saying fossil fuels are a gift from God? What then is sunlight and wind? A commie plot?

I'm for all the above, renewables are decades away from being reliable and adequate... This is not fucking Star Trek

I see, so you think we should not lead development in a new emerging world-wide technology market? Just let China build all the factories and hold all the patents on technologies we know for a fact we will need in the future? That's right, let's just sit on our ass and buy it from the Chinese like we do everything else.

 

[ABikerSailor]

You know what I saw on the BBC last night? They were talking about China and what they were doing about climate change and pollution.

One of their solutions was to build THOUSANDS of windmills all over the country and plug them into the grid, so that's what they did.

Only thing is, they kept all of the coal plants running, and even built more.

Today? They have to shut off parts of their grid because they are producing too much power, and 15 percent of the grid is shut off at any one time so they don't overload it.

Know what the first one to get shut down is whenever the grid is full? The brand new windmills they just bought (which are now producing power from a free source rather than coal which has to be bought).

Face it................until the older generation lets go of fossil fuels, we're going to continue to use them, even though wind and solar have come down to competitive levels with LNG and coal.

 

[Rustic]

Plenty of money to be made in alt energy. What's so great about pollution?

Fossil fuel bigots, not burning stuff for energy just seems wrong to them.

Fossil fuels were put on this earth to burn, quit your whining

Are you saying fossil fuels are a gift from God? What then is sunlight and wind? A commie plot?

I'm for all the above, renewables are decades away from being reliable and adequate... This is not fucking Star Trek

I see, so you think we should not lead development in a new emerging world-wide technology market? Just let China build all the factories and hold all the patents on technologies we know for a fact we will need in the future? That's right, let's just sit on our ass and buy it from the Chinese like we do everything else.

Not using resources that are easily at hand is retarded, renewables are decades away from being reliable and adequate. But no, fucking tree huggers want to destroy grear paying jobs On some fucked up theory some suck ass kiss ass politician came up with.

 

[occupied]

You know what I saw on the BBC last night? They were talking about China and what they were doing about climate change and pollution.

One of their solutions was to build THOUSANDS of windmills all over the country and plug them into the grid, so that's what they did.

Only thing is, they kept all of the coal plants running, and even built more.

Today? They have to shut off parts of their grid because they are producing too much power, and 15 percent of the grid is shut off at any one time so they don't overload it.

Know what the first one to get shut down is whenever the grid is full? The brand new windmills they just bought (which are now producing power from a free source rather than coal which has to be bought).

Face it................until the older generation lets go of fossil fuels, we're going to continue to use them, even though wind and solar have come down to competitive levels with LNG and coal.

We have the same problem here. Our grid is antiquated to the point of absurdity yet we have so much excess generation capability that some systems have to pay wind farms to idle their machines or give it away for free because we have no means to store energy or transmit it very far. We need a better electrical grid but modernization could make energy generation way too cheap to so how do we pay for a modern grid?

 

[Rustic]

You know what I saw on the BBC last night? They were talking about China and what they were doing about climate change and pollution.

One of their solutions was to build THOUSANDS of windmills all over the country and plug them into the grid, so that's what they did.

Only thing is, they kept all of the coal plants running, and even built more.

Today? They have to shut off parts of their grid because they are producing too much power, and 15 percent of the grid is shut off at any one time so they don't overload it.

Know what the first one to get shut down is whenever the grid is full? The brand new windmills they just bought (which are now producing power from a free source rather than coal which has to be bought).

Face it................until the older generation lets go of fossil fuels, we're going to continue to use them, even though wind and solar have come down to competitive levels with LNG and coal.

No, wind energy is a fucking joke a drag on the economy. Solar is a bit better but far from adequate. This is not Star Trek

 

[Rustic]

You know what I saw on the BBC last night? They were talking about China and what they were doing about climate change and pollution.

One of their solutions was to build THOUSANDS of windmills all over the country and plug them into the grid, so that's what they did.

Only thing is, they kept all of the coal plants running, and even built more.

Today? They have to shut off parts of their grid because they are producing too much power, and 15 percent of the grid is shut off at any one time so they don't overload it.

Know what the first one to get shut down is whenever the grid is full? The brand new windmills they just bought (which are now producing power from a free source rather than coal which has to be bought).

Face it................until the older generation lets go of fossil fuels, we're going to continue to use them, even though wind and solar have come down to competitive levels with LNG and coal.

We have the same problem here. Our grid is antiquated to the point of absurdity yet we have so much excess generation capability that some systems have to pay wind farms to idle their machines or give it away for free because we have no means to store energy or transmit it very far. We need a better electrical grid but modernization could make energy generation way too cheap to so how do we pay for a modern grid?

Well the tree huggers should pay for a new grid then if they think it's the right thing...

 

[occupied]

Fossil fuel bigots, not burning stuff for energy just seems wrong to them.

Fossil fuels were put on this earth to burn, quit your whining

Are you saying fossil fuels are a gift from God? What then is sunlight and wind? A commie plot?

I'm for all the above, renewables are decades away from being reliable and adequate... This is not fucking Star Trek

I see, so you think we should not lead development in a new emerging world-wide technology market? Just let China build all the factories and hold all the patents on technologies we know for a fact we will need in the future? That's right, let's just sit on our ass and buy it from the Chinese like we do everything else.

Not using resources that are easily at hand is retarded, renewables are decades away from being reliable and adequate. But no, fucking tree huggers want to destroy grear paying jobs On some fucked up theory some suck ass kiss ass politician came up with.

Fossil fuels are harder to gain access to than sunlight and wind, it also seems to be in places where people hate us. No one is ever going fight a war for sunlight or put an embargo on the wind.

 

[Rustic]

Fossil fuels were put on this earth to burn, quit your whining

Are you saying fossil fuels are a gift from God? What then is sunlight and wind? A commie plot?

I'm for all the above, renewables are decades away from being reliable and adequate... This is not fucking Star Trek

I see, so you think we should not lead development in a new emerging world-wide technology market? Just let China build all the factories and hold all the patents on technologies we know for a fact we will need in the future? That's right, let's just sit on our ass and buy it from the Chinese like we do everything else.

Not using resources that are easily at hand is retarded, renewables are decades away from being reliable and adequate. But no, fucking tree huggers want to destroy grear paying jobs On some fucked up theory some suck ass kiss ass politician came up with.

Fossil fuels are harder to gain access to than sunlight and wind, it also seems to be in places where people hate us. No one is ever going fight a war for sunlight or put an embargo on the wind.

Well Barrys EPA BULLSHIT shut down most of Wyomings coal fields. Super easy access to, outstanding paying jobs, and in the area where no one gives a shit. Now those people are looking for jobs that don't pay worth a shit. Renewable energy jobs don't pay jack shit.

 

[ABikerSailor]

You know what I saw on the BBC last night? They were talking about China and what they were doing about climate change and pollution.

One of their solutions was to build THOUSANDS of windmills all over the country and plug them into the grid, so that's what they did.

Only thing is, they kept all of the coal plants running, and even built more.

Today? They have to shut off parts of their grid because they are producing too much power, and 15 percent of the grid is shut off at any one time so they don't overload it.

Know what the first one to get shut down is whenever the grid is full? The brand new windmills they just bought (which are now producing power from a free source rather than coal which has to be bought).

Face it................until the older generation lets go of fossil fuels, we're going to continue to use them, even though wind and solar have come down to competitive levels with LNG and coal.

We have the same problem here. Our grid is antiquated to the point of absurdity yet we have so much excess generation capability that some systems have to pay wind farms to idle their machines or give it away for free because we have no means to store energy or transmit it very far. We need a better electrical grid but modernization could make energy generation way too cheap to so how do we pay for a modern grid?

Only thing is Occupied, they updated their grid along the way. The only reason that wind hasn't taken over in China is because the people who sell and own the coal fired plants still have too much influence.

 

[occupied]

You know what I saw on the BBC last night? They were talking about China and what they were doing about climate change and pollution.

One of their solutions was to build THOUSANDS of windmills all over the country and plug them into the grid, so that's what they did.

Only thing is, they kept all of the coal plants running, and even built more.

Today? They have to shut off parts of their grid because they are producing too much power, and 15 percent of the grid is shut off at any one time so they don't overload it.

Know what the first one to get shut down is whenever the grid is full? The brand new windmills they just bought (which are now producing power from a free source rather than coal which has to be bought).

Face it................until the older generation lets go of fossil fuels, we're going to continue to use them, even though wind and solar have come down to competitive levels with LNG and coal.

We have the same problem here. Our grid is antiquated to the point of absurdity yet we have so much excess generation capability that some systems have to pay wind farms to idle their machines or give it away for free because we have no means to store energy or transmit it very far. We need a better electrical grid but modernization could make energy generation way too cheap to so how do we pay for a modern grid?

Well the tree huggers should pay for a new grid then if they think it's the right thing...

It ain't just the "tree huggers". Anyone who sells energy would like to be able to sell it anywhere there is a market for it, there is just a debate on how to recoup an investment that could make electrical power cheap as hell. I know you don't care if it's clean energy but do you have something against cheap energy?

 

[ABikerSailor]

Are you saying fossil fuels are a gift from God? What then is sunlight and wind? A commie plot?

I'm for all the above, renewables are decades away from being reliable and adequate... This is not fucking Star Trek

I see, so you think we should not lead development in a new emerging world-wide technology market? Just let China build all the factories and hold all the patents on technologies we know for a fact we will need in the future? That's right, let's just sit on our ass and buy it from the Chinese like we do everything else.

Not using resources that are easily at hand is retarded, renewables are decades away from being reliable and adequate. But no, fucking tree huggers want to destroy grear paying jobs On some fucked up theory some suck ass kiss ass politician came up with.

Fossil fuels are harder to gain access to than sunlight and wind, it also seems to be in places where people hate us. No one is ever going fight a war for sunlight or put an embargo on the wind.

Well Barrys EPA BULLSHIT shut down most of Wyomings coal fields. Super easy access to, outstanding paying jobs, and in the area where no one gives a shit. Now those people are looking for jobs that don't pay worth a shit. Renewable energy jobs don't pay jack shit.

Actually, from what I've heard from others, the wind farms up here in the TX panhandle pay a pretty decent wage.

And if you're working on a wind farm instead of working in a coal mine, you don't have to worry about cave in's or contracting black lung.

And...............you might want to check out solar panel prices sometime. You can pick one up for around 30 bucks in the stores that will charge your cell phone in about 2 hours.

You can pick up panels that will provide enough power for an average size house for around 9,000, and that is with battery storage.

 

[Rustic]

You know what I saw on the BBC last night? They were talking about China and what they were doing about climate change and pollution.

One of their solutions was to build THOUSANDS of windmills all over the country and plug them into the grid, so that's what they did.

Only thing is, they kept all of the coal plants running, and even built more.

Today? They have to shut off parts of their grid because they are producing too much power, and 15 percent of the grid is shut off at any one time so they don't overload it.

Know what the first one to get shut down is whenever the grid is full? The brand new windmills they just bought (which are now producing power from a free source rather than coal which has to be bought).

Face it................until the older generation lets go of fossil fuels, we're going to continue to use them, even though wind and solar have come down to competitive levels with LNG and coal.

We have the same problem here. Our grid is antiquated to the point of absurdity yet we have so much excess generation capability that some systems have to pay wind farms to idle their machines or give it away for free because we have no means to store energy or transmit it very far. We need a better electrical grid but modernization could make energy generation way too cheap to so how do we pay for a modern grid?

Well the tree huggers should pay for a new grid then if they think it's the right thing...

It ain't just the "tree huggers". Anyone who sells energy would like to be able to sell it anywhere there is a market for it, there is just a debate on how to recoup an investment that could make electrical power cheap as hell. I know you don't care if it's clean energy but do you have something against cheap energy?

Like I said I am for all the above, but the EPA makes cheap energy expensive for no reason other than theories.
If someone wants to use all the energy they want and can afford it fine. If someone wants to save on all energy they want fine. It's a personal thing none of the governments business…

 

[Rustic]

I'm for all the above, renewables are decades away from being reliable and adequate... This is not fucking Star Trek

I see, so you think we should not lead development in a new emerging world-wide technology market? Just let China build all the factories and hold all the patents on technologies we know for a fact we will need in the future? That's right, let's just sit on our ass and buy it from the Chinese like we do everything else.

Not using resources that are easily at hand is retarded, renewables are decades away from being reliable and adequate. But no, fucking tree huggers want to destroy grear paying jobs On some fucked up theory some suck ass kiss ass politician came up with.

Fossil fuels are harder to gain access to than sunlight and wind, it also seems to be in places where people hate us. No one is ever going fight a war for sunlight or put an embargo on the wind.

Well Barrys EPA BULLSHIT shut down most of Wyomings coal fields. Super easy access to, outstanding paying jobs, and in the area where no one gives a shit. Now those people are looking for jobs that don't pay worth a shit. Renewable energy jobs don't pay jack shit.

Actually, from what I've heard from others, the wind farms up here in the TX panhandle pay a pretty decent wage.

And if you're working on a wind farm instead of working in a coal mine, you don't have to worry about cave in's or contracting black lung.

And...............you might want to check out solar panel prices sometime. You can pick one up for around 30 bucks in the stores that will charge your cell phone in about 2 hours.

You can pick up panels that will provide enough power for an average size house for around 9,000, and that is with battery storage.

In Wyoming it's open pit mining so none of that stuff matters