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Are you suggesting that the answer to our failing science and mathematics standing can be solved by nationwide homeschooling?
so you admit the DOE is FAILING the students even with the billions of dollars ALREADY spent on schools.?
So what does Obama suggest, throwing more money at it...cause he has money to BURN
I don't think the DOE is failing because they have not been given the task of educating our students. Around 10% of school funding comes from the federal government. America has historically insisted that Schools be run at the local level. Funding is local, school boards are local, teacher hiring is local
Globally, US students are falling behind foreign students. One thing those foreign schools have in common is that they have more federal involvement in the school system not less
Nationwide, States provide 47% of school funding while local governments provide 44% and the federal government provides 10%
Background & Analysis
When it comes time to place the blame for failing schools Conservatives always jump on that 10%
What would you suggest us to do to turn things around?
Workers everywhere need to be paid more.
In the 60s you could have a single income family and not have that income come from a CEO. Wages for workers has been basically flat for decades and now parents have to both work and maybe even work multiple jobs. They simply have no time to spend with their kids, which is what needs to happen for kids to excel.
Wages need to go up.
Teachers need to be rewarded.
Problem solved.
What would you suggest us to do to turn things around?
Workers everywhere need to be paid more.
In the 60s you could have a single income family and not have that income come from a CEO. Wages for workers has been basically flat for decades and now parents have to both work and maybe even work multiple jobs. They simply have no time to spend with their kids, which is what needs to happen for kids to excel.
Wages need to go up.
Teachers need to be rewarded.
Problem solved.
Advance yourself... learn more.. become more in demand.. and you will earn more in wages... it should not just go up because you think you need more
Workers everywhere need to be paid more.
In the 60s you could have a single income family and not have that income come from a CEO. Wages for workers has been basically flat for decades and now parents have to both work and maybe even work multiple jobs. They simply have no time to spend with their kids, which is what needs to happen for kids to excel.
Wages need to go up.
Teachers need to be rewarded.
Problem solved.
Advance yourself... learn more.. become more in demand.. and you will earn more in wages... it should not just go up because you think you need more
in liberal la la land utopia, wages need TO GO UP, just because..and teachers need to be rewarded for doing their JOBS
Workers everywhere need to be paid more.
In the 60s you could have a single income family and not have that income come from a CEO. Wages for workers has been basically flat for decades and now parents have to both work and maybe even work multiple jobs. They simply have no time to spend with their kids, which is what needs to happen for kids to excel.
Wages need to go up.
Teachers need to be rewarded.
Problem solved.
Advance yourself... learn more.. become more in demand.. and you will earn more in wages... it should not just go up because you think you need more
in liberal la la land utopia, wages need TO GO UP, just because..and teachers need to be rewarded for doing their JOBS
Advance yourself... learn more.. become more in demand.. and you will earn more in wages... it should not just go up because you think you need more
in liberal la la land utopia, wages need TO GO UP, just because..and teachers need to be rewarded for doing their JOBS
Teachers need to be rewarded for doing EXCEPTIONAL at their jobs. Everyone should.
What would you suggest us to do to turn things around?
Workers everywhere need to be paid more.
In the 60s you could have a single income family and not have that income come from a CEO. Wages for workers has been basically flat for decades and now parents have to both work and maybe even work multiple jobs. They simply have no time to spend with their kids, which is what needs to happen for kids to excel.
Wages need to go up.
Teachers need to be rewarded.
Problem solved.
Advance yourself... learn more.. become more in demand.. and you will earn more in wages... it should not just go up because you think you need more
Advance yourself... learn more.. become more in demand.. and you will earn more in wages... it should not just go up because you think you need more
in liberal la la land utopia, wages need TO GO UP, just because..and teachers need to be rewarded for doing their JOBS
Teachers need to be rewarded for doing EXCEPTIONAL at their jobs. Everyone should.
Workers everywhere need to be paid more.
In the 60s you could have a single income family and not have that income come from a CEO. Wages for workers has been basically flat for decades and now parents have to both work and maybe even work multiple jobs. They simply have no time to spend with their kids, which is what needs to happen for kids to excel.
Wages need to go up.
Teachers need to be rewarded.
Problem solved.
Advance yourself... learn more.. become more in demand.. and you will earn more in wages... it should not just go up because you think you need more
Oh I'm fine. College educated. Great career in a great industry. Thanks for worrying about me! But this isn't about me. This is about a single mom working two minimum wage jobs trying to make rent and put food on the table. She has no time to help her kids with home work or get them excited about going to school to learn. Now, I know you don't care about her, but still, the best way for her to help her kids is to have more time with them, which means less time working, which would mean more money from work.
It's simple math.
Oh right, we're not good at that.
in liberal la la land utopia, wages need TO GO UP, just because..and teachers need to be rewarded for doing their JOBS
Teachers need to be rewarded for doing EXCEPTIONAL at their jobs. Everyone should.
ok great, send them a letter of praise, give them a plaque, a statue..
see how easy that is and doesn't cost TAXPAYERS a BILLION dollars.
Advance yourself... learn more.. become more in demand.. and you will earn more in wages... it should not just go up because you think you need more
Oh I'm fine. College educated. Great career in a great industry. Thanks for worrying about me! But this isn't about me. This is about a single mom working two minimum wage jobs trying to make rent and put food on the table. She has no time to help her kids with home work or get them excited about going to school to learn. Now, I know you don't care about her, but still, the best way for her to help her kids is to have more time with them, which means less time working, which would mean more money from work.
It's simple math.
Oh right, we're not good at that.
And her decisions, actions, efforts, etc got her to where she is... and there are consequences to our actions... and that is not the problem or concern of government, her neighbor, or the guy living on 123 Any St. in Bald Knob Arkansas...
Again.. having PRIVATE charities that you VOLUNTARILY donate to to help people you wish to help, all well and good... but to force everyone (society or the populace) to take over her responsibilities is quite another
Until you can get that thru your thick skull, you will simply not understand
Advance yourself... learn more.. become more in demand.. and you will earn more in wages... it should not just go up because you think you need more
Oh I'm fine. College educated. Great career in a great industry. Thanks for worrying about me! But this isn't about me. This is about a single mom working two minimum wage jobs trying to make rent and put food on the table. She has no time to help her kids with home work or get them excited about going to school to learn. Now, I know you don't care about her, but still, the best way for her to help her kids is to have more time with them, which means less time working, which would mean more money from work.
It's simple math.
Oh right, we're not good at that.
And her decisions, actions, efforts, etc got her to where she is... and there are consequences to our actions... and that is not the problem or concern of government, her neighbor, or the guy living on 123 Any St. in Bald Knob Arkansas...
Again.. having PRIVATE charities that you VOLUNTARILY donate to to help people you wish to help, all well and good... but to force everyone (society or the populace) to take over her responsibilities is quite another
Until you can get that thru your thick skull, you will simply not understand
Oh I'm fine. College educated. Great career in a great industry. Thanks for worrying about me! But this isn't about me. This is about a single mom working two minimum wage jobs trying to make rent and put food on the table. She has no time to help her kids with home work or get them excited about going to school to learn. Now, I know you don't care about her, but still, the best way for her to help her kids is to have more time with them, which means less time working, which would mean more money from work.
It's simple math.
Oh right, we're not good at that.
And her decisions, actions, efforts, etc got her to where she is... and there are consequences to our actions... and that is not the problem or concern of government, her neighbor, or the guy living on 123 Any St. in Bald Knob Arkansas...
Again.. having PRIVATE charities that you VOLUNTARILY donate to to help people you wish to help, all well and good... but to force everyone (society or the populace) to take over her responsibilities is quite another
Until you can get that thru your thick skull, you will simply not understand
And what about the people YOU don't wish to help? Fuck 'em? Or more to the point, fuck the kids? Because, you know, that's what you're doing here. You're saying, since the mom made bad decisions or had bad things happen to her, the kids should be punished. The kids should have less time with their mom, because the mom screwed up.
Look, as I said, I know you don't give two shits about the mom or dad in this scenario. You're only concern is the extra couple of bucks a year you pay in taxes. But stop with the hate for one second and think about it. If you think about this, you'll agree that paying people more would fix this problem. Now, maybe you don't want to do that, in fact, pretty sure you don't want to do that, but you can't deny that it would allow parents more time with their kids which would help the kids in school. That is fact.
Oh I'm fine. College educated. Great career in a great industry. Thanks for worrying about me! But this isn't about me. This is about a single mom working two minimum wage jobs trying to make rent and put food on the table. She has no time to help her kids with home work or get them excited about going to school to learn. Now, I know you don't care about her, but still, the best way for her to help her kids is to have more time with them, which means less time working, which would mean more money from work.
It's simple math.
Oh right, we're not good at that.
And her decisions, actions, efforts, etc got her to where she is... and there are consequences to our actions... and that is not the problem or concern of government, her neighbor, or the guy living on 123 Any St. in Bald Knob Arkansas...
Again.. having PRIVATE charities that you VOLUNTARILY donate to to help people you wish to help, all well and good... but to force everyone (society or the populace) to take over her responsibilities is quite another
Until you can get that thru your thick skull, you will simply not understand
And what about the people YOU don't wish to help? Fuck 'em? Or more to the point, fuck the kids? Because, you know, that's what you're doing here. You're saying, since the mom made bad decisions or had bad things happen to her, the kids should be punished. The kids should have less time with their mom, because the mom screwed up.
Look, as I said, I know you don't give two shits about the mom or dad in this scenario. You're only concern is the extra couple of bucks a year you pay in taxes. But stop with the hate for one second and think about it. If you think about this, you'll agree that paying people more would fix this problem. Now, maybe you don't want to do that, in fact, pretty sure you don't want to do that, but you can't deny that it would allow parents more time with their kids which would help the kids in school. That is fact.
You cannot reasonably believe that the current programs in place will do JACK crap for folks troubled with a history of "bad decisions". The kids with the crack mom will be no better off if you pay teachers more. The ONE thing PROVEN to work is one on one counseling and mentoring and a DESIRE on the part of the afflicted to CHANGE their lives.
That's where the massive PRIVATE, VOLUNTEER safety net comes in.. Coaching GED students is MORE about mentoring than math. I know.. I've done that. Changing their personal habits to find a way to employment isn't something that Govt excels at.
The idea that $30B more in taxes from the rich is gonna go to the most needy is the WORST kind of faulty faith in Govt and general ignorance of the REAL problems one can find. And it's actually quite destructive to minimize private charity and volunteers while counting on the Govt to do the "hard cases" for you.
No, my position is that lower class sizes and improvement in school security makes a difference, we had some useless mangy fucks who went to Catholic school with me and they got booted out.
Fix the culture, which is the problem, and you dont have to worry about either security or classroom sizes.
There is no such thing as a good union.
And we all know that teachers don't get paid for performance because union contracts don't allow it.
So all of a sudden you're for undermining union contracts with merit pay?
And again we don't need more money we already spend more money per pupil than countries that are kicking our ass academically and it ain't working.
Ok, all unions are bad to you, get the fuck out of here, this is the retarded ass one sided type of thinking that stinking up the whole country. If it wasn't for unions or union type activity you wouldn't have the labor laws you have now and employers would be able to run all the fuck over employees, saying that no unions are good is implying that all union members are fucktards and bad.
Money per pupil varies by STATE since the STATE and LOCAL governments mainly fund schools and don't give that private charter company bullshit because they tried that in Philly and it failed.
And some states that spend less per student do better than states who spend significantly more.
So money is not the issue.
All we have been doing is throwing money at education and yet we fall further and further behind other countries.
Seems to me it's about time we stop throwing good money after bad at teachers etc and try something new.
All we have been doing is throwing money at education and yet we fall further and further behind other countries.
Seems to me it's about time we stop throwing good money after bad at teachers etc and try something new.
By God, you are right. Just put those little bastards to work in the factories. Worked out so well in Dickens time.
The continued antipathy of the 'Conservatives' toward education and science is evident on this and other boards. They are doing their very best to create a third world nation here in America.
